[00:35] robert_ancell: around? [00:37] jcastro, hey [00:38] pitti, can you look at bug 736349 and see if it is feasible to have sound-theme-freedesktop on the CD? It's 1/2 a meg, but we really need it to have proper fallback sound events [00:38] Launchpad bug 736349 in oem-priority ""Test speakers" is silent" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/736349 === asac_ is now known as asac [05:51] chrisccoulson: ping [05:52] cdbs: probably won't be around for a few more hours [05:52] chrisccoulson: What would you say about the FF bug having both options: Open a New Tab and Open a New Window? [05:52] micahg: :o [07:48] I'll be back in some 2 hours, have an appointment [08:29] good morning [08:43] morning didrocks [08:45] hey duanedesign [08:58] morning [08:58] hey desktopers [08:58] hey rodrigo_ [08:58] how are you? [08:59] hey rodrigo_, salut seb128 [09:00] hey didrocks [09:00] hi seb128, didrocks [09:03] dbarth: good morning [09:03] and seb and rodrigo and didrocks :) [09:03] desrt: hi Ryan [09:04] hey desrt! :) [09:04] * desrt is on european time today [09:10] hey desrt [09:10] pitti, do you read the GNOME desktop-devel-list? [09:12] desrt: how come? [09:12] (the european time zone) [09:12] dbarth: in frankfurt right now [09:13] long connection before moving on to india [09:13] eh, nice trip [09:13] ya. i'm going to be at the release hackfest next week [09:13] you should notice the corresponding spike in my productivity :) [09:15] hi desrt [09:17] good morning everyone [09:18] hi chrisccoulson [09:18] hi rodrigo_ [09:18] * desrt loves the n*(n-1) thing that always happens [09:18] chrisccoulson: hi =) [09:18] hi desrt, how are you? [09:19] cdbs, re, adding both a "new window" and "new tab" item to the static quicklists - i'd prefer just the new window for now. it makes more sense, and i don't want to clutter up the menu [09:19] (there will be a dynamic quicklist at some point) [09:20] chrisccoulson: a bit sleepy, but nicely caffinated [09:20] heh :) [09:20] i think i need to grab some caffeine [09:25] rodrigo_: hey, I did install g-s from gnome3 ppa [09:26] rodrigo_: I've had to install gnome-themes-standard to get the new gnome3 theme, mutter was missing the theme too - I've had to manually change it in gconf-editor and restart g-s-d [09:27] seb128: do ou know if the retracers are working? [09:27] hey chrisccoulson [09:27] didrocks, let me check [09:27] hi didrocks, how are you? [09:27] chrisccoulson: I'm fine thanks! the rush is (hopefully) behind us now :) [09:27] and you? [09:28] didrocks - yeah, i'm good thanks. looking forward to a more relaxing day ;) [09:28] today is launchpad and paperwork day. Some hacking if I have time! :) [09:30] kklimonda, hmm, ok, I guess we need to add a dependency there then [09:30] rodrigo_: also gnome-screensaver doesn't start [09:30] kklimonda, any error message? [09:31] rodrigo_: yeah, Settings schema 'org.gnome.desktop.screensaver' does not contain a key named 'power-management-delay' [09:31] rodrigo_: some gnome-contorl-center applets are also missing schemas [09:31] kklimonda, I guess you need a gsettings-desktop-schemas update [09:32] rodrigo_: I've cloned git repo, and power-management-delay is not there [09:33] rodrigo_: also, I can't figure out how to change the icon theme [09:34] kklimonda, only via gsettings on the command line [09:34] unless what I have is the right icon set, but then it's fugly ;) [09:34] kklimonda, II guess we need a g-screensaver upgrade to 2.91.92 [09:34] * rodrigo_ does it [09:35] rodrigo_: also, is update of network-manager to 0.9 hard? [09:35] kklimonda, haven't tried yet, but shouldn't afaik [09:36] i've tried upgrading gnome-control-center (some capplets are also crashing with missing schemas) I've noticed that it depends on n-m 0.9+ for network capplet [09:36] (updating didn't help, still can't access Background capplet) [09:36] yes [09:36] can I help? :) [09:37] kklimonda, with nm 0.9? yes! [09:37] ok, cool [09:38] kklimonda, any help on the gnome3 ppa is more than welcome, so go ahead [09:38] kklimonda, the branches for that ppa are in https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gnome3-team [09:38] kklimonda, I'm doing g-screensaver now, so feel free to do any other [09:39] interesting, we have a really recent snapshot [09:39] well, it's missing 2.91.92 [09:39] I started this week upgrading some packages, but not many, as I was busy with other stuff [09:39] nah, I was talking of NetworkManager [09:40] ah, we are not following the 0.9 branch [09:41] no [09:53] kklimonda, new g-screensaver uploaded, uploading g-c-c in a bit [09:53] but need to reboot 1st [09:53] brb [10:02] mvo, ping? [10:03] hey aquarius [10:04] mvo, heya, pal! Odd software-centre problem; s-c complained about the package system being broken (old version of unity-2d) and suggested running apt-get -f install, which is fine. However, it started aptd and dpkg. I've quit s-c, but the aptd and dpkg processes are still running, eating lots of CPU, and I can't see any way of quitting them. [10:04] mvo, (well, I could obviously kill -9 them, but my dad couldn't, and I'm always scared of killing dpkg in case it decides to make my machine unbootable as revenge :)) [10:05] aquarius: *ick* that sounds nasty. anything in /var/log/syslog ? [10:06] ooh, loads of Processing transaction /org/debian/apt/transaction/c1cff228f3b6461b973cbcc90175b71e stuff (http://paste.ubuntu.com/585295/) [10:06] aquarius: what is "ps afx" showing? is it always the same transaction id its processing? or constantly creating new ones? [10:07] new transaction ids [10:07] three processes are using all the CPU; aptd, dpkg, and update-python-m(something) [10:07] oh, and firefox, but that's not your fault ;) [10:08] that sounds like its really doing lots of work, but its very odd that it keeps adding new action ids [10:09] could you still mail me / msg me (privately if you prefer) the ps afx output? [10:11] mvo, http://paste.ubuntu.com/585298/ [10:12] aquarius: I'm confused now, I can't see dpkg in that list? [10:13] mvo, grr! it's stopped now! [10:13] right, fine, the universe is just trying to screw me up [10:14] mvo, ignore me, for now. I'll poke around. [10:14] aquarius: heh :) there should be a log of what happend in /var/log/apt/term.log hopefully [10:15] aquarius: did that happen when you selected to install something? i.e. did something break during the install or was the system in a inconsitent state before? [10:15] aquarius: /var/log/apt/history.log should have some idea about this [10:15] broke during the removal (of unity-2d) [10:16] yeah. What I think was the problem was this: I selected to remove about twenty things in software centre. One of them (unity-2d) failed, and I got the "run apt-get -f install" warning. So I quit SC to run that, but quitting SC didn't stop doing all the removals. And I couldn't go in and cancel the removals, because when SC started up it says "the package system is inconsistent, do you want to fix it". [10:17] ohhh, that makes sense [10:18] I think we need to teach aptdaemon to stop all further transactions on error [10:18] would you mind to file a bug about that ? against aptdaemon? [10:19] sure; what shoudl it say? just describe what happened to me? [10:20] didrocks: hey, sorry that i didnt even reply yesterday, but I really wanted to get the 3.3.2 release in before the beta and there was some nasty trouble because some dependencies changed in oh so interesting ways breaking the LO build. so: no, unfortunately I did not do anything about #720716. [10:21] Sweetshark: hey! do you think you can tackle this just post-beta? [10:25] re [10:25] seb128: no, I'm not sub'ed to desktop-devel [10:25] didrocks: so that would be just patching the static desktop entry, right? shouldnt be too hard then, but what about UI freeze? [10:26] pitti, hey, wie gehts? [10:26] Sweetshark: I think the freeze exception will be easily granted as it doesn't impact too much the doc (last time I checked) [10:26] hey ivanka [10:26] hey pitti [10:26] hey didrocks [10:27] bonjour didrocks [10:27] cava seb128 [10:27] sorry, my appointment took a little longer today [10:27] pitti, ok, walters just posted an SoC idea email about doing a "desktop file cache" [10:27] pitti, I'm wondering what happening to your gnome-menus patch if that was ever upstream and maybe if you were going to reply to that email [10:27] upstream->upstreamed [10:28] like it's in bugzilla? was it blocked on something? [10:28] vuntz, ^ [10:31] Hi, as for bug #729074, is it not implemented yet? Or is it implemented but a bug is not making the quicklist come up? [10:31] Launchpad bug 729074 in unity-2d "dynamic quicklists are not working" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/729074 [10:31] Is there now a working nvidia driver for natty? [10:32] seb128: (@phone again -- I hate that day) [10:32] pitti, (no worry) [10:32] seb128: hm, I'm actually not sure, let me look [10:33] pitti, b.g.o is down [10:33] seb128: I think back then the status was that vuntz didn't particularly like the text cache format and preferred a binary cache or so [10:33] seb128: argh, still? [10:34] pitti, yeah... [10:34] meh, for a few days now the firefox global menu bar is totally broken :/ [10:34] pitti, I think you said by then you redo the caching using gvariant when those would land [10:34] rather than a key file [10:34] seb128: right; I'm not so sure that will be faster, but it's worth a try [10:35] didrocks: Ill do backports today, but I will give it a try on monday. [10:35] pitti, well in any case it seems stupid to redo the work from scratsch so I was wondering if you were going to reply on the list [10:35] seb128: can you bounce the mail to me? (not just forward) [10:35] pitti, I will probably at least reply with the bug number of bugzilla ever comes back running [10:36] meh, our patch doesn't have a bug ref [10:36] might be that this was discussed on IRC only or so [10:39] pitti, not sure the bouncing worked, the evo way to do it is confusing [10:40] not to mention that the canonical smtp apparently doesn't allow to "relay" the email it seems [10:43] hum [10:43] I think bug #742120 is multiarch path changes screwing running session [10:43] Launchpad bug 742120 in gnome-control-center "Square blocks where text should be" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/742120 [10:44] mvo, I guess that's not something we can easily deal and people dist-upgrading should be restarting anyway? [10:46] seb128: indeed, however we need to make sure it does not break the upgrade itself [10:48] seb128: hm, not really, it's destroying all the headers; I guess I'll look up the message-id in the archive [10:48] pitti, try asking rodrigo or njpatel maybe if they can bounce it [10:48] they probably are on d-d-l [10:57] seb128: oh, btw [10:57] $ cp -a /usr/lib/libcairo.* /tmp/l [10:57] $ cat /etc/ld.so.conf.d/zz-libcairo-gl.conf [10:57] /tmp/l [10:57] gnome-abo 2516 martin mem REG 8,2 1020400 1184740 /tmp/l/libcairo.so.2.11000.2 [10:58] seb128: so tacking it to the end works [10:58] seb128: sorry, forgot to tell you yesterdya [10:58] seb128: (you need to run sudo ldconfig after changing the file) [11:05] pitti, ok, I need to sit and think about it for a bit still, I'm unsure what to do know with the .pc etc [11:05] pitti, like what path those should have [11:05] pitti, not sure the ld hack is enough, i.e if wayland will build with that [11:06] or we need tweaking the .pc paths etc [11:06] it's really work over what is worth, the ppa would have been just fine for natty :-( [11:07] seb128: for building you need a .pc with the right -L, yes; ld.so.conf.d is only for runtime searching, gcc doesn't care about it [11:07] seb128: in particular, gcc searches for the unversioned .so [11:07] seb128: so for building wayland you need to install the libcairo-gl-dev instead of the libcairo-dev, then there is only one .so to pick [11:08] pitti, right, which means just installing the extra .pc in libcairo2-gl... might not work [11:08] we might need to c,r,p the standard one and tweak the .pc files [11:08] seb128: well, I'm sure it can be made working as well, but then you need to ensure that it searches in the lib//cairo one first [11:12] so any idea why I get this C/C++ compiler cannot create executables? [11:12] it only happens when building packages, it seems [11:12] I can compile fine stuff from git/bzr [11:12] no [11:12] oh, no, I can't if I re-run autogen.sh :( [11:12] pitti - what issue are you having with the firefox menu bar? [11:13] rodrigo_, can you bounce walters' SoC email to ddl to pitti btw? [11:13] or someone on ddl who has an email client and smtp server able to bounce properly an email [11:13] seb128, yes, sure [11:14] hey rodrigo_ , thanks [11:14] rodrigo_: can you look in config.log what it's complaining about? [11:14] pitti, forwarded [11:15] rodrigo_: can you bounce instead of forward, so that all headers remain intact? (to avoid breaking the thread)? [11:15] pitti, ah, sorry [11:17] hmm, how do I bounce from evolution? [11:17] pitti, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/585320/ [11:18] ah, found it [11:18] /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgcc_s [11:18] uh [11:18] it's in /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgcc_s.so.1 [11:18] actually, not that one, the unversioned .so is /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.5/libgcc_s.so [11:18] pitti, now bounced hopefully ok, let me know if you get it correctly [11:19] $ ls /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.5/libgcc_s.so [11:19] ls: cannot access /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.5/libgcc_s.so: No such file or directory [11:19] rodrigo_: perfect, thanks! [11:19] rodrigo_: are you on i386? [11:19] pitti, what package does that file be,o [11:19] long to [11:19] rodrigo_: but anyway, the file should be in the gcc-4.5 package [11:19] belong to [11:19] still strange [11:19] hmm, ok [11:19] no, on x86_64 [11:20] only have gcc-4.5-base [11:20] I guess that's it [11:20] installing gcc4.5 [11:20] hm, "gcc" depends on it [11:20] rodrigo_: just curious how you could build stuff at all then (in git) :) [11:21] pitti, no, I couldn't [11:21] I just ran 'make' in a dir which had all built [11:21] so I thought it was built correctly [11:21] rodrigo_ | I can compile fine stuff from git/bzr [11:21] but it built nothing [11:21] ah :) [11:21] pitti, yeah, but see my comment after that :) [11:21] chrisccoulson: when I start it, it all works, but after some time it's just empty [11:22] so, for some reason that gcc-4.5 got removed/not upgraded in my last upgrade [11:22] chrisccoulson: i. .e the title works, but if I move the mouse to the panel it gets empty and no menu at all; this started a few days ago [11:22] pitti - bug 718926 [11:22] Launchpad bug 718926 in bamf "Some apps don't integrate to appmenu after having their windows closed" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/718926 [11:23] i guess it happens after you've minimized it at some point? [11:23] chrisccoulson: I don't even have a file menu, and I basically never minimize ffox [11:23] * pitti tries [11:23] for some reason, bamf sends a spurious view-closed followed by a view-opened signal sometimes when you minimize windows, and that causes the menu to get discarded [11:23] hmmm [11:23] chrisccoulson: no, minimizing and re-maximizing works [11:24] pitti - oh, it only happens sometimes. i bet if you do it enough times, then it will lose the menu [11:24] I didn't find a pattern yet [11:24] chrisccoulson: hm, but I by and large never minimize windows [11:24] i've seen it occasionally too, but it's basically the same issue (the menubar thinks the window has been closed) [11:24] ffox is sitting on work space 2, maximized, all the time [11:24] chrisccoulson: ah, ok; well, there's a branch, I'll see if that helps once it gets merged :) thanks [11:25] pitti - the branches on the bug fix a previous issue with a similar symptom [11:25] that's a bit confusing actually, it should probably be another bug really [11:35] chrisccoulson, hi, is libmozjs185-dev suppose to replace xulrunner-dev? [11:35] ricotz, it depends what you're doing with it [11:36] chrisccoulson, like for gnome-shell? [11:36] that would use libmozjs [11:36] don't change just yet though, there's still some discussion upstream about the naming of the library [11:36] (we currently only have couchdb using it) [11:37] chrisccoulson, alright, i will use xulrunner-dev === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:57] re [11:57] power breakage in a large part of Lyon… [11:57] someone was stuck in the elevator [11:59] uh [11:59] didrocks: it's back now? [11:59] pitti: yeah, just now [12:06] pitti - does compiz crash for you at all? [12:07] chrisccoulson: yes, two or three times after login [12:07] from then on, only once a day or so [12:08] pitti - ah, ok. that's another thing which tends to break menus [12:08] i just remembered after i had compiz crash here ;) [12:08] chrisccoulson: ah, perhaps [12:13] I you guys want to see something awesome, you gotta run "subsequentcheck" -- the LibreOffice system tests on unity. 30 windows popping up and closing like crazy. Also triggers a pretty reliable bamfdaemon suicide. [12:13] Sweetshark: seems command-not-found doesn't know about it yet? [12:13] or is it only in git, not shipped? [12:14] pitti: only in git. you need a complete build for that. [12:14] ah, pretty big obstactle then; but that sounds great! [12:14] test suites FTW [12:15] Sweetshark: does it have a lot of external dependencies? if not, perhaps it's worth packaging in a separate binary, then QA coudl integrate that in their daily autotests [12:15] that would certainly be a great addition [12:17] pitti: no, not many extra deps subsequenttests are mostly just junit tests. [12:20] pitti: However, I just reenabled them on LO and they are currently still failing left and right. They will need a bit of a fixup o be useful to QA. After all you are mostly interested in regressions and not in "was broken before, is broken now". [12:21] hehe, my launcher is seriously confused now, showing every existing window at least six times. [12:21] uh [12:22] no: exactly six times [12:32] rodrigo_: I think we should sync libseed from debian experimental into gnome3 ppa? [12:33] if only it built ;) [12:34] Sweetshark, oh, duplicate launcher icons that crash unity if hovered over? I filed a bug about that a while ago -- you have reproducable steps? [12:36] kklimonda, what is it needed for? [12:41] mterry: you wouldnt like the reproducable steps, they would start with "build libreoffice from source ..." [12:41] Sweetshark, nm :) [12:42] rodrigo_: for the newer libpeas (it's actually stuck in dep-waiting in the main archive), which is required by... I can't find the package right now, but something did depend on libpeas >= 0.7.4 [12:43] kklimonda, ah, yes, eog [12:43] right [12:44] but I get a really weird error when building seed [12:44] which error? [12:45] http://paste.ubuntu.com/585362/ [12:45] but there is a debian/tmp/usr/lib/libseed-gtk3.so.0 [12:45] in which subpackage is it in? [12:46] I think you'll need a .symbols file [12:46] dh_shlibdeps -pseed [12:46] I mean the libseed-gtk3.so, where is it? in which subpackage? [12:47] right, good question - it looks like it's not actually installed in any package.. [12:47] lets see [12:49] ok, it builds fine now - I didn't copy one .install file properly [12:49] cool [12:50] kklimonda, not sure if we want the lipeas/seed upgrade in natty, rather than the ppa [12:50] seb128, ^ [12:51] rodrigo_: I agree, it may be a little too late to push it to natty at this point, even if libpeas 0.7.3 in archive doesn't build... maybe we should revert it back to 0.7.2? [12:51] (and push libpeas 0.7.4 to the ppa, along with seed) [12:51] kklimonda, or upgrade to 0.7.4 if it doesn't break API/ABI [12:52] if not, yes, let's put it in the ppa [12:59] rodrigo_: wow, the difference between adwaita, and the old theme is huge.. are there plans to port adwaita back to gtk 2.0? [13:00] kklimonda, not that I know, it uses the new CSS-based themes afaik, so it's hard to port [13:01] rodrigo_, is anything using libpeas or seed in natty? [13:02] rodrigo_, seems fine to update those if the update is not likely to break things [13:03] seb128, no, just needed for eog in the gnome3 ppa [13:04] rodrigo_, somebody should merge seed on debian then we can sync the new libpeas [13:04] seb128, ah, on natty eog and gedit at least [13:04] ? [13:04] kklimonda, ^ [13:04] seems not since libpeas is in universe [13:04] so eog and gedit can't be using it [13:05] oh, I guess it's a new dep on 2.91.* [13:05] right [13:05] they are both in universe [13:05] somebody should merge seed on debian so we get the gtk3 binary [13:05] then libpeas will build [13:06] debian doesn't build gtk2 binaries anymore in seed package [13:07] do we use those for anything? [13:08] epiphany-browser depends on libseed0 [13:09] (debian has updated it to 2.91.91 in experimental, we are still shipping 2.30.6) [13:09] ok then, let's do the updates in the ppa for now, right? [13:10] I'd say it's a safer bet at this time - it's not like we really need it in the archive, as most of gnome3 stuff is only in ppa [13:11] is there anything stopping to update epiphany-browser in natty? [13:11] seb128: Freeze? :) [13:11] well we need to update libpeas to fix the depwait issue then [13:11] well it's universe and it's not building [13:11] I can download epiphany package from experimental and check what it needs [13:12] well the easy way out otherwise is to update libpeas to still build with gtk2 [13:18] rodrigo_, are you using the gnome3 package locally? === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [13:18] ricotz, which gnome3 package? [13:18] rodrigo_, if so could you test these https://edge.launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/testing/+packages [13:18] but yes, I'm using the ppa [13:19] ricotz, ok [13:19] rodrigo_, you might need to wailt for g-s build3 [13:19] ricotz, yes [13:19] rodrigo_, when pushing build to the GNOME3 PPA, are you building in pbuilder to test the build or locally building? [13:20] bcurtiswx: locally building and installing before pushing [13:20] rodrigo_, OK, so i haven't looked yet, but most of your builds that fail then are from depwaits ? [13:21] bcurtiswx: well, not all, but a few of them [13:21] g-c-c from the ppa now indeed looks like it's a depwait [13:22] rodrigo_, eog too [13:22] ? [13:22] bcurtiswx: eog is failing because of missing libpeas >= 0.7.4 [13:23] which is what we were discussing with kklimonda [13:23] rodrigo_, cool :) thx i was j/w [13:23] bcurtiswx: feel free to fix any package btw :) [13:23] rodrigo_, i try to if i get the time :) [13:24] I don't think I'm going to push more updates today or the w/e, since there's 2.91.93 on Monday [13:24] rodrigo_, reminder about the g-s-d race thing in natty [13:25] rodrigo_, natty bugs should be worked before ppa updates if possible ;-) [13:25] seb128, yes, still looking at that :) [13:27] seb128, could you review this https://edge.launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/testing/+sourcepub/1565167/+listing-archive-extra [13:28] ricotz, review what? if it works upload, or ping the people who worked on the egl support, I've no clue about that [13:29] seb128, this bug is caused by the clutter backend patch again [13:30] seems your build it working so is there any issue you want discussed there? [13:31] is your concern that the clutter patch is wrong? [13:31] yeah, this patches need to be changed a lot, but it should work [13:31] seb128, btw i cant upload packages [13:32] upload to the ppa for now and open a sponsoring request [13:33] this can probably wait after the beta1 freeze end to go in natty [13:33] ok [13:33] well in any case I will not likely do that today, I've to catch up on other non packaging work I delayed for some time [13:36] seb128, alright [13:37] we should sort the clutter patch thing with the linaro guys though [13:38] seb128, this can be fixed upstream, mutter is just missing a explicit link against "gl" [13:38] does it use it directly? in which case yeah, it seems a bug there [13:38] yes, it uses some symbols [13:39] ok, so yeah you should send your patch upstream then [13:39] it is mentioned in to bug report [13:39] no this patch is not upstream worthy [13:39] it would be a small patch of configure.ac/in to fix this [13:42] ricotz, right that's what I meant, get a proper patch upstream for it [13:43] pitti, kamstrup: hey [13:43] yo [13:43] * pitti waves to seb128 [13:43] pitti, is there any known breakage in apport about the .xsession-errors info collecting code? [13:43] pitti, kamstrup suggests it's not collecting what bug #431807 describe in current natty [13:43] Launchpad bug 431807 in apport "would be nice to send xsessions-errors warnings and errors" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/431807 [13:44] pitti: i was just asking seb128 why https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dee/+bug/742085 didn't have some .xsession-errors info attached [13:44] Launchpad bug 742085 in dee "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in PlaceEntryRemote::GetResult()" [Medium,New] [13:44] the regex from the apport bug would match what i needed [13:44] kamstrup, oh it has a "XsessionErrors:" key [13:44] but that has 3 lines and nothing from compiz or dee [13:44] yeah, but way too little included there [13:45] kamstrup, you are sure there is extra info in the .xsession-errors? [13:45] i just looked at a s-i bug with ronoc and it had no relevant xsession-errors info as well [13:46] and we know that crash was a sigabrt in a g_Error() [13:46] so that really should have been there I guess [13:47] kamstrup: do you have an example message which should appear? I guess that just didn't match the regexp after all [13:48] (:2782): libindicator-WARNING **: Shortcut Group does not have key 'Tar [13:48] getEnvironment' falling back to deprecated use of 'OnlyShowIn' and 'NotShowIn'. [13:48] I have a few like this ^ [13:48] doh, apport is spamming my .xsession-errors [13:48] "/usr/share/apport/apport-gtk", line 74, in ui_present_crash [13:48] heading = _('Sorry, %s closed unexpectedly') % glib.markup_escape_text(desktop_entry.getName()) [13:48] UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\xe8' in position 17: ordinal not in range(128) [13:48] lol [13:48] it seems to do that in a continus way today [13:48] seb128: fun, I see the same [13:51] pitti, I think the .xsession-errors think is broken [13:52] pitti, or does it just tail a few lines? [13:53]