[09:34] <CIA-31> ubiquity: evand * revan.dandrea@canonical.com-20110325093421-38jnps9jeqpugrx7 ubiquity.trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/plugins/ubi-partman.py):
[09:34] <CIA-31> ubiquity: Do not consider Windows Recovery partitions in the list of operating
[09:34] <CIA-31> ubiquity: systems.
[13:19] <seb128> hi
[13:19] <seb128> ev, hey
[13:19] <seb128> ev, should I open a bug on launchpad about the keyboard dialog I gave you a screenshot about yesterday?
[14:27] <ev> seb128: yes please
[14:27] <ev> and assign it to me as well
[14:27] <ev> so it doesn't get lost
[14:33] <CIA-31> ubiquity: evand * revan.dandrea@canonical.com-20110325143318-m4lvuvv0gajv7shs ubiquity/ (9 files in 4 dirs):
[14:33] <CIA-31> ubiquity: Add unit tests, which can be run via ./tests/run or by building the
[14:33] <CIA-31> ubiquity: package. To override a failing test causing the package build to
[14:33] <CIA-31> ubiquity: fail, use the UBIQUITY_NO_TESTS environment variable.
[14:57] <seb128> ev, ok, do you need any log of details for it?
[14:58] <ev> seb128: ideally a run with `ubiquity -d` followed by ubuntu-bug ubiquity, but if you don't have time for it don't worry too much
[14:59] <seb128> ev, well, I can take time for it, I just don't want to spend time collecting infos if those are not really useful
[14:59] <seb128> like if you can reproduce the issue and will debug it locally there is probably no need for my infos
[15:00] <seb128> ev, let's say I will open the bug with the screenshot and I'm available any day if you need extra infos?
[15:00] <ev> I wouldn't worry about it, to be honest.  As you suggest, I should be able to reproduce it
[15:00] <seb128> it's easy to do, it does it on any french install I try
[15:00] <ev> sounds good :)
[15:00] <seb128> ok
[15:05] <dlyneshome> Is there a reason why some pkgsel/include directives don't actually get installed, and some do?
[15:06] <dlyneshome> In particular minicom (the last pkgsel/include I have gets installed), and libqt4-dev (one of the middle pkgsel/include directives doesn't get installed)
[15:08] <cjwatson> check the installer syslog
[15:09] <dlyneshome> cjwatson, if you're doing preseeding, where does it get dumped?
[15:10] <cjwatson> /var/log/installer/syslog in the installed system regardless of whether you're doing preseeding or not
[15:10] <dlyneshome> cjwatson, ok, thanks
[15:12] <dlyneshome> cjwatson, btw...in the installer is security.ubuntu.com an alias for archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid-security/ ?
[15:13] <cjwatson> no
[15:13] <cjwatson> I mean, they generally refer to the same content
[15:13] <cjwatson> but the installer doesn't implement any aliasing, it goes to security.ubuntu.com
[15:13] <dlyneshome> cjwatson, so are there any mirrors for security.ubuntu.com, then?  security.ubuntu.com only works about 5% of the time for me
[15:14] <dlyneshome> cjwatson, and all the mirrors on the ubuntu mirror listing only mirror archive.ubuntu.com
[15:14] <cjwatson> I think you misunderstand me
[15:14] <dlyneshome> Ok, so the ubuntu website implements aliasing on their side, then?
[15:14] <cjwatson> we deliberately prefer security.ubuntu.com to be a single site, so that security updates are propagated quickly
[15:14] <cjwatson> the same packages are on archive.ubuntu.com in the *-security suites, so you can use those if it works better for you
[15:15] <dlyneshome> ah, ok...cool
[15:15] <dlyneshome> cjwatson, thanks, muchly
[15:15] <dlyneshome> cjwatson, so I'll just implement it as a symbolic link on my mirror, then
[15:21] <dlyneshome> cjwatson, it'll definitely free up drive space so that I can maintain more distributions, too
[15:22] <dlyneshome> cjwatson, btw...do you think a bash script that automates the mirroring process would be useful to other ubuntu users?
[15:22] <cjwatson> there are quite a lot of mirroring scripts out there already - it would be better to improve an existing one
[15:23] <dlyneshome> cjwatson, oh...didn't even know there were any
[15:23] <dlyneshome> cjwatson, I wrote one about a year ago, and I've been consistently ironing bugs out of it
[15:24] <dlyneshome> cjwatson, is there a worthy one you could suggest?
[15:24] <cjwatson> there are loads.  I use debmirror
[15:24] <cjwatson> you can 'apt-cache search mirror' and skip the ones that have nothing to do with package mirroring
[15:25] <cjwatson> you'll probably end up with half a dozen or so
[15:26] <dlyneshome> cjwatson, it looks like they're all agnostic as to which particular debian derivative you're using?
[15:26] <cjwatson> I can't speak for all of them, but I expect they should generally not care
[15:26] <cjwatson> the archive format is the same
[15:27] <dlyneshome> cjwatson, so they'll allow you to fine-grain it as well, so that you can choose which distribution you want to mirror?
[15:28] <dlyneshome> cjwatson, I currently keep jaunty, lucid, karmic, and maverick in all completely separate directories, with their own pool directories
[15:28] <cjwatson> I expect that not all of them will; debmirror does
[15:28] <dlyneshome> cjwatson, ok, thanks again
[15:28] <cjwatson> it's a bit silly to keep separate pools for separate releases though, don't you think?
[15:28] <dlyneshome> cjwatson, No, not really
[15:29] <cjwatson> the purpose of the pool structure is to share common versions of packages across releases
[15:29] <cjwatson> that's the entire reason it was created
[15:29] <cjwatson> that's why it's called pool :-)
[15:29] <dlyneshome> cjwatson, It was actually a requirement put on my mirroring script from management
[15:29] <cjwatson> your management is daft then
[15:29] <cjwatson> TBPH :)
[15:29] <dlyneshome> cjwatson, they wanted to be able to retire and archive old releases, so that they're not consuming drive space
[15:29] <cjwatson> you can do that just fine with pools
[15:30] <cjwatson> you drop the dists subtree and garbage-collect
[15:30] <dlyneshome> cjwatson, that will delete it...not archive it
[15:30] <cjwatson> so you modify your garbage-collector ...
[15:30] <cjwatson> this honestly isn't that hard
[15:31] <cjwatson> a common pool saves a *lot* of space
[15:31] <dlyneshome> yeah, but if you have separate pool directories, you don't have to write any additional code
[15:31] <cjwatson> so if your management cares about drive space, they should care about this
[15:32] <dlyneshome> cjwatson, well, 32-bit and 64-bit lucid only uses up 63GB's
[15:32] <dlyneshome> cjwatson, and generally I'll only have four distributions on the mirror at any one time
[15:32] <cjwatson> anyway, I suppose it's none of my business what way you want to manage your mirror
[15:33] <dlyneshome> erm actually 6 distributions
[15:33] <cjwatson> it's just not how I recommend people do it
[15:33] <dlyneshome> such as 8.04, 8.1, 9.04, 9.1, 10.04
[15:34] <dlyneshome> so that there's always at least two LTS releases
[15:34] <cjwatson> as a point of information, it's 8.10 (etc.), not 8.1
[15:34] <cjwatson> the 10 is a month
[15:34] <dlyneshome> oh, ok...thought it was just an arbitrary versioning
[15:34] <cjwatson> year.month
[15:34] <dlyneshome> thanks for the info
[15:35] <dlyneshome> ah...so releases every six months, and LTS's every 2 years
[15:35] <cjwatson> yes
[15:35] <dlyneshome> didn't realize ubuntu had been around for ten years
[15:35] <cjwatson> we haven't
[15:35] <cjwatson> our first release was 4.10
[15:36] <dlyneshome> ah...even still six years
[15:36] <dlyneshome> I didn't even hear of ubuntu until about 4 years ago
[15:37] <dlyneshome> It was being offered up as an OSX alternative at the one user group at that time
[15:43] <CIA-31> ubiquity: evand * revan.dandrea@canonical.com-20110325154319-3jt3n3v8rslgpqiz ubiquity/tests/test_ubi_partman.py: Fix broken tests around the advanced partitioning debconf string. Teach question_has_variables to check in extended descriptions as well.
[15:45] <seb128> ev, bug #742558
[15:45] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 742558 in ubiquity ""Keep default keyboard layout ..." dialog is confusing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/742558
[15:45] <ev> seb128: much appreciated, thanks
[15:48] <seb128> ev, thank you for looking into it ;-)
[15:55] <seb128> ev: btw jibel ran into that issue in a japanese install as well so it's not only me and not only french
[15:55] <ev> okay, good to know
[15:55] <ev> thanks
[15:55] <seb128> np
[17:49] <CIA-31> ubiquity: cjwatson * r4608 trunk/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/i18n.py):
[17:49] <CIA-31> ubiquity: Start debconf in ubiquity.i18n.reset_locale if it isn't already running
[17:49] <CIA-31> ubiquity: (LP: #649895).