[01:13] <nigelb> mhall119: one more bug down :)
[01:14] <mhall119> and it's not even Friday yet
[01:14] <mhall119> well, i mean it is for you
[01:14] <mhall119> but not me
[01:14] <mhall119> good morning, by the way
[01:14] <nigelb> morning :)
[01:14] <nigelb> today seems a good day altogether
[01:14] <mhall119> yay
[01:14] <nigelb> India kicked australia last night in the world cup :p
[01:15] <mhall119> have you started your new job yet?
[01:15] <nigelb> Nope
[01:15] <nigelb> I'm hoping 3rd April.
[01:15] <nigelb> You got your nw job after me and you're already 1 week into it!
[01:15] <mhall119> dude, even I'm tired of waiting for you to be done there now
[01:16] <nigelb> oh yeah? Think about me!
[01:16] <mhall119> give me your boss's email, I'll have you off the job tomorrow ;)
[01:17] <nigelb> haha
[06:53] <YoBoY> good morning
[07:40] <dholbach> good morning
[10:08] <cjohnston> mornin
[10:10] <nigelb> cjohnston: its early
[10:10] <cjohnston> 610
[10:10] <cjohnston> todays b shift
[10:10] <nigelb> DST.  Ugh, I hate tz.
[10:37] <czajkowski> aloha 
[11:32] <mhall119> nigelb: didn't I warn you?
[12:26] <cjohnston> lol mhall119 
[12:39] <Ronnie> mhall119: ping
[12:43] <mhall119> Ronnie: pong
[12:43] <Ronnie> im currently brainstorming on the virtual event
[12:43] <mhall119> in the wiki I hope
[12:43] <Ronnie> currently on xmind
[12:44] <Ronnie> results will be on the wiki tough
[12:44] <mhall119> ok
[12:44] <mhall119> so what are your thoughts?
[12:44] <Ronnie> if we add another event, which share almost all the functions, it could become a complete mess
[12:45] <mhall119> I agree
[12:45] <Ronnie> currently im investigating to have 1 type of event (on the backend)
[12:45] <mhall119> I wanted to just add 2 new fields to TeamEvent
[12:45] <Ronnie> and show it to the user as 3 different events (normal event, meeting and virtual)
[12:45] <mhall119> I don't want to separate physical and virtual events
[12:45] <mhall119> I consider them both "events"
[12:46] <Ronnie> thats ok too
[12:46] <Ronnie> but im event thinking a meeting as an event (on the backend)
[12:46] <mhall119> it's just a matter of collecting the info needed to make our TeamEvent capable of supporting online participation
[12:46] <mhall119> no, meetings collect different information
[12:47] <mhall119> in the community, meetings and events are different things
[12:47] <Ronnie> i think meetings can be the same on the backend
[12:47] <Ronnie> i think we even may be able to support 'classes'
[12:48] <Ronnie> and maybe other types of 'events'
[12:49] <Ronnie> meetings for example can also be physical and remote combination
[12:49] <Ronnie> the meeting has a chair, but other events (like classes) could have a chair/teacher too
[12:50] <Ronnie> each event could have some sort of log (meeting minutes, chatlog, audio/video log, some wiki page, flick photo's)
[12:53] <cjohnston> I like having a little selecter that you check which type of event, and then it displays venue, channel, or venue and channel based on your choice
[12:53] <Ronnie> cjohnston: indeed, but have only one 'backend'
[12:53] <cjohnston> ya.. thats on just the current create event page
[12:55] <cjohnston> Event Name
[12:55] <cjohnston> Begins
[12:55] <cjohnston> Ends
[12:55] <cjohnston> Type (in person, vitrual, mixed)
[12:55] <cjohnston> description
[12:55] <cjohnston> announcement
[12:55] <cjohnston> etc
[12:56] <cjohnston> and then if you tick in person it displays venue, virtual it displays a box for entering a channel, mixed it displays both
[12:56] <cjohnston> on the same page we already have
[12:58] <Ronnie> http://ubuntuone.com/p/jPK/
[12:58] <Ronnie> this is my brainstorm part
[12:58] <Ronnie> i think we should not be limited to IRC chat only
[13:04] <YoBoY> Ronnie: missing "content" (description, meeting agenda, ...) in your reflexion :)
[13:05] <Ronnie> indeed, missing a lot of stuff :)
[13:05] <Ronnie> ill add is asap
[13:05] <YoBoY> not so much
[13:26] <Ronnie> http://ubuntuone.com/p/jPK/
[13:26] <Ronnie> updated, YoBoY, cjohnston: do you have any noted on this map?
[13:26] <mhall119> Ronnie: little steps, we can limit to IRC only for now, and expand more later
[13:27] <YoBoY> seems a bit complicate for me ^^"
[13:28] <mhall119> YoBoY: we already have most of that
[13:29] <mhall119> he's just trying to group similar data items into logical categories
[13:30] <YoBoY> mhall119: yes I know, I was just refering to his schema
[13:30] <Ronnie> mhall119: yes, but we have to watch to not build too much on IRC, because it can be hard to add other items
[13:31] <Ronnie> others are uesually easy. for example: skype, you only need to provide username
[13:31] <mhall119> Ronnie: but we'll cover at least 80% of the use cases with very little effort
[13:32] <mhall119> we can add 2 fields to TeamEvent and get almost as much benefit as we would refactoring the entire data structure
[13:32] <mhall119> with much fewer introduced bugs
[13:33] <YoBoY> how this is developed ? a main class and sub classes for each type of events ? or one class to rule them all ?
[13:35] <Ronnie> mhall119: we can indeed easily solve this by adding two fields. thats a quick fix, but not future stable
[13:36] <Ronnie> when we keep adding single fields for everything without thinking, the app will be unmaintainable in the future
[13:36] <YoBoY> +1
[13:36] <mhall119> I agree
[13:37] <mhall119> but on the other hand, major refactoring doesn't come without a price either
[13:37] <mhall119> the question is just where to draw the line
[13:37] <Ronnie> so we could add those fields to solve the bug, but in maintime we need to make progress on the 'buigger part'
[13:37] <mhall119> +1 on that
[13:51] <Ronnie> should it be possible (in the new concept) to have multiple physical/remote locations?
[13:53] <Ronnie> for example a classroom, can have to IRC chatrooms, but if thats the only example. i think we should restrict to one physical and one remote
[13:53] <Ronnie> mhall119, YoBoY ^
[13:53] <Ronnie> to = two
[14:01] <YoBoY> chat channels can be referenced in the description, not really necessary to have them as part of the location. Btw when we need a separated channel for chat, we also have more than one with the foreign language channels
[14:03] <YoBoY> we can't put all the informations in separated fields, I can think of so many links we can add to only one event, it's overwhelming ^^"
[14:04] <mhall119> Ronnie: I think trying to cover the classroom requirements is too much for this feature
[14:05] <YoBoY> keep it simple, and if you want to add more, we can always create a token/micro-content/something object containing (linked_event, type, content) where we can put tags, urls, hashtag, photo_stream, facebook pages, ...
[18:03] <mhall119> does anybody know if/how well CDMA phones work in Europe?
[18:04] <nigelb> mhall119: -uk might be a good place to ask
[18:05] <mhall119> I'm not concerned about hungary, actually
[18:06] <cjohnston> not concerned about hungary?
[18:06] <cjohnston> we bought a sim card over there in belgium to not have to pay
[18:06] <cjohnston> the international rates
[18:07] <mhall119> cjohnston: I don't think you can do that with cdma phones though
[18:07] <cjohnston> dunno
[18:10] <Pendulum> mhall119: generally pretty badly in Europe
[18:11] <mhall119> I'm wondering if I should switch carriers
[18:11] <Pendulum> (Verizon phones as a rule don't work except for a couple phones that I think you can 'borrow' and pay their ridiculous fees to use)
[18:11] <mhall119> it's unfortunate, cause they have the best coverage and service around here
[18:12] <Pendulum> you might be better off to either use phone cards and landlines or to see if you can get a cheap PAYG phone once you're over
[18:12] <mhall119> yeah, I think paygo is what I'll end up doing
[18:12] <mhall119> I still need an andoid phone though...
[18:12] <Pendulum> I'm on AT&T and while I certainly can (and do) use it in Europe, it's expensive to do so
[18:13] <Pendulum> (and I just turn data roaming off because it's soooo expensive)
[18:13] <mhall119> well there will be wifi at the hotel at least
[18:13] <Pendulum> yeah
[18:13] <mhall119> so I can get a cheap paygo phone for calls if I want to
[18:13] <Pendulum> tbh, in Brussels I barely used my phone
[18:13] <Pendulum> I used it early on to hook up with people
[18:13] <Pendulum> but used skype to call hom
[18:14] <mhall119> so, HTC Incredible or Samsung Galaxy S
[18:14] <Pendulum> *home
[18:14] <mhall119> or Droid 2
[18:14] <Pendulum> I know people who've loved their Droids (probably of those 3 it's the one I've heard the most raving about)
[18:15] <Pendulum> (that said, I don't know if I know anyone with an Incredible)
[18:17] <mhall119> my brother has an incredible and has been happy with it
[22:08] <newuser> I have a question for the professionals of linux based programming, my question is can linux programming be compatible with pc,mac operating systems and the internet? Thank you for the response.
[22:13] <mhall119> newuser: I don't quite understand
[22:15] <mhall119> newuser: you mean can you write a program for linux, and run it on Windows or OSX?
[22:17] <newuser> It's ok. I'll figure out. Thanks for the help
[22:26] <mhall119> heh