[08:30] <guillemhs> ei, somebody has installed ayatana scrollbar in natty?
[08:32] <primes2h1> jibel: ping
[08:51] <UndiFineD> this topic does not seem right
[08:52]  * UndiFineD files a bug with ara
[08:55] <ara> UndiFineD, do you know how I ask to be op?
[08:55]  * ara always forgets
[08:56] <UndiFineD> /cs op #ubuntu-testing ara ?
[08:56] <UndiFineD> :)
[08:56] <ara> UndiFineD, thanks!
[08:57] <ara> jibel, jibel_ what topic do you want?
[08:57] <UndiFineD> well, at least something that represents 2011
[08:57] <jibel> primes2h1, guillemhs ara UndiFineD , good morning
[08:58] <UndiFineD> good morning
[08:58] <primes2h1> jibel: Good morning :-)
[08:58] <jibel> UndiFineD, 10.04.2 is 2011 but its behind us :-)
[08:59] <jibel> ara, we will change the topic for Natty Beta 1 on monday, currently we are testing Overlay scrollbars
[08:59]  * UndiFineD presses "start upgrade"
[08:59] <guillemhs> ei
[08:59] <ara> jibel, OK
[08:59] <guillemhs> ara one question
[08:59] <guillemhs> VM easy install test case
[09:00] <ara> guillemhs, yes?
[09:01] <guillemhs> one second I am looking a certain testcase
[09:01] <guillemhs> ok, here i have it
[09:01] <guillemhs> http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/VMWareEasyInstall
[09:02] <guillemhs> where can i find the VMWare app?
[09:02] <primes2h1> jibel: as a  workaround for the twice release name display, could you change the id of the natty fake, or, even better, delete it and make a new one?
[09:03] <primes2h1> jibel: This way we don't need to wait the patch to be applied
[09:05] <jibel> primes2h1, sure, that was my intention. I'm busy on something else atm, but I'll do this  in the beginning of the afternoon.
[09:05] <primes2h1> jibel: That's nice! Then I can announce it. Thanks. :-)
[10:46] <primes2h1> jibel: one last thing. could you please also add this notice in pages like this http://laptop.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/5164?
[10:46] <primes2h1> We are currently testing Lucid Lynx 10.04.2 (or Maverick etc). See testing procedures for details.  (testing procedures linked to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Laptop/Procedures)
[13:04] <ricardob24> hi
[13:05] <ricardob24> good morning
[13:07] <ricardob24> ??????????//
[13:47] <jibel_> primes2h1, I renamed Natty Fake to FakeNatty, that fixes the duplicate lines issue. Do you thing it's okay or that will have some undesirable side effects ?
[13:48] <jibel_> primes2h1, also, the notice is side wide. I can't set a different one for each release being tested.
[13:52] <primes2h1> jibel: It looks nice now!
[13:53] <primes2h1> jibel: oh, i see. About the notice, I think that "See testing procedures for details."  (with testing procedures linked to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Laptop/Procedures)  should be sufficient.
[13:54] <jibel_> primes2h1, done
[13:56] <primes2h1> jibel: ehm, I think that bold font (like ISO tracker one) would be better.
[13:57] <primes2h1> jibel:then, there is a line just below the notice in the ISO tracker http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[13:57] <primes2h1> Why it doesn't show up in the laptop tracker? :-/
[13:57] <primes2h1> really strange
[13:58] <jibel_> primes2h1, I added it, it's a <hr/>
[13:58] <primes2h1> jibel: ah, ok, now it's great"
[13:58] <primes2h1> jibel: thank you very much!
[13:58] <jibel_> primes2h1, my web designer skills are not really great ;-)
[14:00] <primes2h1> jibel: np, mine are worse ;-)
[14:23] <primes2h1> jibel: in fact I've just found out a side effect
[14:23] <primes2h1> http://laptop.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/laptop/FakeNatty/27627
[14:23] <primes2h1> make and model are inverted
[14:25] <primes2h1> jibel: really odd :-/
[14:26] <jibel_> I think that's because there's is no order clause when we query the settings
[14:26] <jibel_> primes2h1, ^
[14:27] <primes2h1> jibel: I think it too, but it's strange that it doesn't respect the order just after you changed the milestone name
[14:28] <primes2h1> jibel: I mean, without order clause, it should order it by id.
[14:29] <jibel_> primes2h1, not necessarily, without an order clause it returns the data in the order it's stored on disk
[14:29] <jibel_> so an update can change it
[14:29] <primes2h1> jibel: you are right,
[14:30] <primes2h1> jibel: so a wordaround could be to change the name again, meanwhile I prepare a patch for it.
[14:32] <jibel_> primes2h1, I'll deal with that. What would be better is to use stored procedures rather than queries embedded in php. This way I can update it quickly.
[14:37] <jibel_> primes2h1, wow that really sucks, when you update a row, it push the data at the end of the table.
[14:38] <primes2h1> jibel: it's because the query filter all value about laptop in the profile and the it pick up the first 2 to create the laptop name
[14:39] <primes2h1> jibel: and then others to display lspci output etc.
[14:39] <jibel_> primes2h1, yup. What I mean is that the database is constantly moving the rows when there's an update
[14:40] <primes2h1> jibel: you should try changing another time and see
[14:40] <primes2h1> jibel: yes
[14:41] <jibel_> primes2h1, I've updated all the rows in order, cna you check if it's ok
[14:41] <primes2h1> jibel: it's ok now, fiuu...
[14:42] <primes2h1> jibel: this bug really sucks :-)
[14:42] <jibel_> primes2h1, the bad news is that I'l have to do this each time there is an update in this table :(
[14:42] <jibel_> primes2h1, the good news is that this table rarely change
[14:44] <primes2h1> jibel: I make the patch ASAP
[14:44] <primes2h1> jibel: we are safe until Beta 1 I guess
[14:45] <jibel_> primes2h1, you can order by title rather than id. The titles are numbered and we can change them if needed unlike the ids
[14:45] <primes2h1> jibel: yes, that's the way I would like to do it. :-)
[14:53] <primes2h1> jibel: btw, murphy's law struck again, didn't it? ;-)
[14:58] <jibel_> primes2h1, indeed :-)
[15:18] <primes2h1> jibel:Done. I've committed the patch to the branch with pending merge.
[15:19] <primes2h1> I mean. Done. :-)
[18:49] <patrickmw> mvo: Hello. Are there supposed to be any apps listed under For Purchase in Natty with the default repositories?
[18:49] <patrickmw> mvo: referring to USC, of course :)
[18:53] <mvo> hello patrickmw
[18:53] <mvo> patrickmw: I don't think so currently, but I think it would be good to push a test package
[18:54] <patrickmw> mvo: ok I am developing automated tests for USC and I would like to test the purchasing feature
[19:01] <mvo> patrickmw: if you check the code in s-c there is something there, but its not using mago, instead its driving the inernal classes. having a mago test for this would rock
[19:02] <mvo> patrickmw: is your stuff part of the normal mago repo? I'm keen to look at it and play with it
[19:02] <patrickmw> mvo: yes, there is a bare-bones starter test for isc
[19:02] <patrickmw> usc
[19:03] <patrickmw> mvo, its not refactored and awesome yet, but there is something :)
[19:03] <mvo> \o/
[19:03] <mvo> the more auto tests the better, we have a bunch in the source as well, but not mago based
[21:42] <jibel_> patrickmw, ping
[21:42] <patrickmw> jibel_: yo
[21:42] <jibel_> hello patrickmw
[21:44] <jibel_> patrickmw, for the url launcher test in usc, i think that usc just needs to be called with the apturl like: software-center apt:python-wxtools
[21:44] <patrickmw> jibel_: I was experimenting with that too.
[21:45] <jibel_> patrickmw, if you test this way, it would be good to extend the test to the format supported by usc. I mean with an apturl , a package name and a deb file.
[21:45] <patrickmw> jibel_: i was trying to "simulate" a browser by using wget. using apturl is very direct
[21:46] <patrickmw> it wasn't the best, but I am happy to go with your suggestion
[21:47] <jibel_> patrickmw, testing with wget seems far from the real world. The dev have to fix bug 709125, then we'll test with a real browser.
[21:47] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 709125 in firefox (Ubuntu Natty) (and 2 other projects) "User agent doesn't include Ubuntu in it so apt.ubuntu.com doesn't work (affects: 7) (dups: 2) (heat: 60)" [High,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/709125
[21:48] <patrickmw> jibel_: ok
[21:54] <nagappan> patrickmw, jibel, most of our lab test machine has ATI ES 1000 VGA, any clues why I don't get Ubuntu Desktop edition ? It goes to Classic edition by default ! even though I select Desktop Edition during login
[21:57] <patrickmw> nagappan, Ubuntu falls back to Classic if it doesn't support 3D acceleration.  Right now, there are known issues with ATI
[21:57] <nagappan> patrickmw, ah ! okay
[21:58] <patrickmw> nagappan, there is a command to check, for your future reference, one sec
[22:03] <jibel_> nagappan, I'm interested by the result. Are you using the opensource driver xserver-xorg-video-radeon ?
[22:06] <nagappan> patrickmw, sure
[22:07] <nagappan> jibel, let me check
[22:07] <nagappan> jibel, just the default installed with 11.04
[22:07] <nagappan> jibel, I haven't installed anything specific
[22:07] <patrickmw> jibel_, do you know how to run the unity-support-test off hand?
[22:07] <jibel_> nagappan, this card has no support for 3D afaik and will use the software rasterizer so Unity won't start.
[22:07] <nagappan> jibel, for NVidia we usually install the nvidia-current driver through synaptic
[22:07] <nagappan> jibel, oops
[22:08] <nagappan> jibel, is there a list of supported card ?
[22:08] <patrickmw> nagappan: /usr/lib/nux/unity_support_test -p  (I forgot the -p)
[22:08] <nagappan> patrickmw, sure, let me try now
[22:08] <jibel_> nagappan, right but the driver is not available for natty apparently
[22:11] <nagappan> patrickmw,  http://pastebin.com/4cHFFsu1
[22:13] <jibel_> nagappan, according to http://www.x.org/wiki/radeon : "Driver for ATI/AMD Radeon based video chips, everything from Radeon 7000 to Radeon HD 5890 series"
[22:15] <jibel_> nagappan, and what's the output of : glxinfo | grep -i render
[22:17] <nagappan> jibel, okay
[22:17] <nagappan> jibel, let me check
[22:20] <nagappan> jibel, irect rendering: Yes
[22:20] <nagappan> OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer
[22:20] <nagappan>     GL_NV_conditional_render, GL_NV_depth_clamp, GL_NV_fragment_program,
[22:21] <nagappan> jibel, oops d is missing, its "direct rendering: Yes" :-)
[22:34] <jibel_> nagappan, interesting. Compiz won't start when software rendering is used. I don't know this card, but you can probably add an option in xorg.conf to use hardware acceleration. If we trust unity_support_test, Unity should run then. This HW has no 3D engine though.
[22:35] <nagappan> jibel, okay
[22:35] <jibel_> nagappan, man radeon for the list of option supported by the driver
[22:35] <nagappan> jibel, sure, there is no xorg.conf, probably I need to create it manually !?!
[22:37] <meganerdca> what card is this?  Sorry I am late to the party.
[22:37] <nagappan> meganerdca, its Radeon ES1000
[22:38] <meganerdca> ahh, I have been having problems with an hd5450
[22:38] <nagappan> meganerdca, okay
[22:38] <meganerdca> It is a sandy bridge system so it is not a happy machine in general
[22:38] <jibel_> nagappan, fully untested but something like this http://paste.ubuntu.com/585640/should be enough to start with.
[22:39] <nagappan> jibel, sure, let me check it
[22:39] <jibel_> nagappan, then there are option like Option "RenderAccel" "boolean"
[22:39] <nagappan> jibel, okay
[22:39] <jibel_> and        Option "EXAPixmaps" "boolean"
[22:40] <jibel_> nagappan, the content of /var/log/Xorg.0.log may help you.
[22:40] <nagappan> jibel, ya checking that
[22:40] <jibel_> the content of ~/.xsession-errors too.
[22:40] <nagappan> jibel, okay
[22:41] <jibel_> if it's really a pain, file a report against unity, attaching the files mentioned above and subscribe me, I'll redirect to the opengl gurus ;-)
[22:42] <jibel_> meganerdca, which release and which driver do you use ?
[22:47] <meganerdca> tried 10.10 and 11.04 Alpha 3, the sandy bridge machine does not install from cd, I can only get an install from a USB flashdrive (the USB dvd and SATA DVD failed even though they installed fine on an older AMD64)
[22:47] <meganerdca> I do not get to try drivers as it kernel panics during boot
[22:51] <jibel_> meganerdca, the 'not boot from livecd' issue might be this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/linux/+bug/712897
[22:51] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 712897 in linux (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "[SandyBridge] Fails to boot livecd when both hd and cd are on SATA III ports (affects: 1) (heat: 74)" [Undecided,Triaged]
[22:59] <meganerdca> already checked that, neither the HD nor the DVD drive were on the 6GBit ports.  It also fails on the alternate installer (the one I usually prefer)
[23:01] <meganerdca> With an nVidia or the built in GPU (this is the vanilla GPU, not the "K" one) it does not bring up a display, nor can I switch to a console.  The IP appears live though.
[23:01] <meganerdca> I was just planning on waiting for the beta to drop, Intel dropped the ball a little with Sandy bridge.
[23:05] <nagappan> jibel, just noticed the issue is same with gnome3 as well ! need to update my manager to buy new card, but I doubt as they are lab machines
[23:18] <jibel_> nagappan, sure, gnome3 also relies on opengl. this hw is done for server, no fun with it.
[23:18] <nagappan> jibel, :-)
[23:20] <jibel_> nagappan, anyhow you should be able to run unity-2d, it's not installed by default