[00:37] shauno: so how's it 45%?
[00:37] shauno: life insurance, etc?
[00:37] because my bonus took me way out of my bracket
[00:38] and it appears the taxman responded by pocketing pretty much the whole thing
[00:38] what rate is the higher bracket?
[00:38] 40, plus charges
[00:38] their latest thing has been to call new taxes 'charges', because they exist outside of tax brackets
[00:38] HazRPG: 25% :O
[00:38] dogmatic69_: yeah...
[00:38] sounds familiar
[00:38] :)
[00:39] dogmatic69_: that a wrong value?
[00:39] the site i was looking at said im on about 20%
[00:39] dogmatic69_: look up BR
[00:39] BR?
[00:39] I think its BR
[00:40] basic rate?
[00:40] wait, i guess its above 20%... a portion is being taxed at 40%
[00:40] my best guess is that their plan to solve unemployment, is to screw anyone who does work, so hard that they'd rather leave the country
[00:40] hamitron: yeah, that's what I always get placed on with every job
[00:40] lol
[00:41] works out worse then bing on an L code
[00:41] being*
[00:41] HazRPG: http://listentotaxman.com/index.php
[00:41] dogmatic69_: yeah I use that site a bit
[00:42] think I'm gonna take a walk into work tomorrow to pick up my chit 'n see what the numbers actually look like
[00:42] should just get the work to pay directly to HMRC and then let them send you any change
[00:42] shauno: heh, you know the first time I'd ever heard the word "chit" was when I was in the Philippines, and they tried to rip us off
[00:42] they tried to charge us twice
[00:43] seems to happen most places :/
[00:44] ironic thing is, we were told the story about watching out for them bring the chit back once you'd paid earlier that afternoon
[00:44] bringing*
[00:44] I worded that poorly
[00:45] hmm... we were told earlier that day about a story of a guy who got ripped off by bring the chits back after he'd already paid... apparently they'd printed two prices one on either side
[00:45] one was higher then the other side
[00:46] I've made it my soul will to take photos of the chit & cash and then again when they take it away with the cash...
[00:46] can't say we're lying then :P
[00:47] almost got ripped off a second time later that evening, but I'd done the above and threatened to call the police on them
[00:47] soon went quite after that :)
[00:48] hmmm
[00:49] volume to headphones never goes high enough from comps
[00:49] :/
[00:49] first time, they tried to make out that me and my dad were pissed and that we didn't know what we were saying... just because apparently they can do the math and work out how pissed we are on how many we had per hour... clearly they've not met the Mike & Haz drinking duo ;p
[00:50] hamitron: windows?
[00:50] yes
[00:50] hamitron: its due to european sound volume laws
[00:50] fk europe
[00:50] erm, ignore them I mean
[00:50] I want power
[00:50] ;)
[00:50] there's a way to get around it...
[00:50] I just can't do it cap'n
[00:51] I use an external amp
[00:51] I know on my MP3 player (creative zen) for it to be hearable I had to set it to 25 (max vol) to hear it... I went and downloaded the US firmware... setting the volume to 25 would blow my ear off
[00:51] I'm so annoyed at this, that I'm really tempted to buy the laptop anyway & just enjoy being broke as dirt this month
[00:52] shauno: if you wait, prices may fall
[00:52] ;)
[00:52] nah, it's a mac. they don't get cheaper :p
[00:52] s/may/*will*
[00:52] they get more powerful then
[00:53] or you could get a cheaper proper machine that is built more carefully
[00:53] hah
[00:53] hamitron: my trick... build the machine yourself
[00:53] HazRPG: i find that headphones in my laptop are painflu at more than ~60%
[00:53] I'm not into homemade laptops :)
[00:53] painful even
[00:53] HazRPG: a laptop?
[00:53] hamitron: not only do you get a longer warrenty on your gear... you also get to build it the way you want :D
[00:54] so win-win \o/
[00:54] hamitron: yes
[00:54] what is there to put together on a laptop? :|
[00:54] dutchie: also depends where your headphones were bought/manufactured, and what voltage they're optimized to
[00:56] hamitron: http://goo.gl/5SlX9
[00:56] hamitron: its do-able, you just have to be prepared to spend a bit of time measuring what you've got to work with
[00:56] you're not going to end up with anything near sensible doing that
[00:57] I personally buy them ready made
[00:57] laptop motherboards don't come in standard shapes & sizes
[00:57] http://goo.gl/rLJtG <==
[00:58] why not solder all the parts onto a circuit board?
[00:58] ;)
[00:58] hamitron: I've always argued that RAM, CPU, GPU should all just be tracked up properly on a single board to get rid of lag/latency/bottle-necks
[00:59] that article points out that you don't really get a choice of motherboard
[00:59] but until intel/amd/nvidia/ati/etc can all play nicely... its unlikely to ever happen
[01:00] AMD owns ATI...
[01:00] so you get to pick your own cpu & harddrive, just so you can put together a laptop that's twice the size of something you'd otherwise buy
[01:00] I like to read plenty of reviews of off-the-shelf models, and pick the best for me
[01:00] :)
[01:01] heck, not even worth building a desktop pc these days for average joe
[01:02] I like to get a laptop with less memory though, saves a lot of money, cheap to upgrade yourself
[01:03] yeah, I never mess with build-to-order options. they never work out well
[01:03] shauno: btw, I am a bit of a mac fan too, just always been too tight to invest :/
[01:04] macbook pro look nice :)
[01:04] eg, ram in apple laptops. buying it BTO you pay twice as much for the ram, and make it more difficult to return it if anything goes wrong
[01:04] if you buy a 'stock' model it's easy to get them to take it back at the first sign of trouble. BTO, they'll avoid it unless they really have to
[01:04] so you buy it stock, and just put the old ram back in if it needs to be returned
[01:05] cheaper & you get better service. no-brainer :/
[01:05] silly really :/
[01:05] and that's one of the less silly examples :(
[01:05] I am still considering doing something really silly... building a comp with a fpga
[01:06] not helping me resist doing so, when I am shown building laptops
[01:06] :)
[01:06] I really fancy playing with that, to toy around with some odd cores
[01:06] but I'm waiting for someone else to take care of the hardware first :)
[01:07] there are verilog and vhdl samples of code under the GPL
[01:07] there's a whole bunch on opencores
[01:07] main hurdle is getting everything available working together
[01:07] yeh
[01:08] I'm also not sure what architecture I'd want
[01:08] maybe a 286 with minix as the OS
[01:08] :)
[01:09] then have a GSM module and stuff to make phone calls
[01:09] well that's boring. they already exist :p
[01:09] a 286 phone....
[01:09] :D
[01:09] well
[01:10] if you wait for someone else to make something for you to build.... they will already exist then ;p
[01:10] I'm not looking at designing my own cpu core, OS and everything
[01:11] see, that's the bit I want to play with
[01:11] I want to....
[01:11] just not yet
[01:11] ;)
[01:12] building a comp from scratch with parts already available is a start
[01:12] I'm really curious what it'd actually take to take an old cpu design, move it to 64bit, and move the OS with
[01:12] why you need 64 bit?
[01:12] because 2038 is coming :)
[01:13] for a really rubbish phone, cost me £350 just to start I worked out
[01:13] :/
[01:14] and that is worse than everything else on the market.... apart from it would be all mine ;)
[01:15] okay, I've done the math, I'm still getting my mbp, and Herself is going to hang me. sorted.
[01:16] :D
[01:16] someone did point out to me I'd be better getting a N900
[01:17] in fact, a few have told me
[01:17] ;)
[01:17] the real problem here of course, is that I insist on spending 2 grand on a nice laptop. but I'm not gonna let the frikken tax man stop me
[01:17] haha, yhe
[01:17] yeh*
[01:21] I think my plan in the near future is to sort my mass of crap
[01:22] don't need all the machines I have setup
[01:22] wire it all together and see if it attains sentience ?
[01:22] and the ones I keep really need to have similar setups
[01:22] why? if they're similar you don't need them all :)
[01:22] ubuntu 10.04 with a apt-cache
[01:22] they do different tasks
[01:23] and in different rooms
[01:23] only got 5 in this room
[01:25] also, different tasks on different machines, means the systems you have don't struggle as much
[01:25] I still want to figure out what on earth they did with the numbers tho, because this can't be right
[01:25] I was considering having vmware to have less machines, but it really doesn't work as well
[01:26] shauno: if it is wrong you get a refund at the end of the year?
[01:26] tax year I mean
[01:26] I've no idea how that works here, because I've never got anything back from them
[01:27] I actually have a seperate bank account labeled "tax savings"
[01:27] and 50% of all my profit goes into it
[01:28] these numbers just can't be realistic. my bonus is 12% of my annual. what I actually received was 0.02% of my annual.
[01:28] but you are an employee :/
[01:31] sounds messed up
[01:32] 0.02% is enough for a laptop? :-o
[01:32] ...thats odd
[01:33] heh, no, 0.02% isn't enough for a laptop. it's enough to make me cry :p
[01:33] if it was enough, I was gonna cry ;)
[01:33] haha
[01:34] it means instead of spending my bonus on the laptop, I'm spending a large chunk of my regular pay instead
[01:40] but I think my choices are either make it work, or go visit the revenue office & get arrested :)
[01:59] you know what, I never did hear from that guy about my extension again...
[02:00] I wonder if he just gave up out of noobrage
[02:11] rrrrrage
[02:12] the local apple shrine doesn't open 24hrs. do I drum my fingers on the desk for 7 hours, or take a nap
[02:13] drum fingers on desk :D
[02:13] drum for 1 hour, then nap ;)
[02:13] we are here to assist your boredom :)
[02:13] ooh, I have credits on audible .. that might burn a few minutes
[02:13] you buy audio books often?
[02:13] yarp
[02:14] I subscribe to their 'audiblelistner' thingie, where you pay a flat rate and receive a couple of credits a month
[02:14] then whenever I remember, go along and turn them into books :)
[02:15] I've always been told that audio books are useful if you want to do other things while listening to a book... but well I find I end up being sad at the edge of the seat as I listen... so I might as well have just read it lol
[02:15] I keep meaning to cancel it, but whenever I remember it's still there, it's racked up enough credits that I get excited about getting new books instead :)
[02:15] haha
[02:15] :P
[02:17] what do the server iso have on?
[02:17] different kernel?
[02:18] ubuntu-server?
[02:18] yeh
[02:18] it is a different kernel for 64bit, for 32bit it's just -generic
[02:18] it just has less gui-related tools and apps
[02:18] hmmm
[02:18] maybe not worth me downloading
[02:19] ?
[02:19] can just install cli from the 32 bit cd
[02:19] hamitron: don't you mean remove the desktop environment?
[02:20] there is a stripped version option on the alt cd
[02:20] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/seeds/ubuntu.intrepid/server-ship
[02:20] that'll give you an idea of what it does differently
[02:22] there has to be a prettier version somewhere, but the seeds are handy for getting straight answers
[02:22] hamitron: if you want I could just burn off a 32-bit and 64-bit version of ubuntu-server and ship them to you
[02:22] if it's the download time that your worried about
[02:22] I've got better internet now ty
[02:22] :)
[02:22] I'll even ship another disc with the .iso on it :)
[02:23] getting 1.4mbit stable
[02:23] that not torture?
[02:23] I have trouble with 8Mbps
[02:23] better than the 0.2mbit I was getting
[02:23] if you've already got a mini iso, I'd just go with that and build up as required
[02:24] my plan is to use mini.iso
[02:24] there is a mini.iso?
[02:24] getting the -server kernel by default isn't worth wasting a whole cdr on
[02:24] but grab the .deb's off the alt cd, so i don't have to download it all
[02:25] hamitron: that was the main reason I said I'd ship it to ya if ya wanted :)
[02:25] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[02:25] postie should be around in about 3hrs or so :P
[02:26] I love these mini.iso
[02:26] they should be advertised more
[02:27] I couldn't actually find them through the ubuntu website
[02:27] had to use google
[02:27] that's probably pretty intentional
[02:28] yeah
[02:28] it is? ;/
[02:28] new users would have a hard time with them if they found them by mistake and tried to use them
[02:29] given the users ubuntu's aiming for, a few obvious choices is better than long list of decisions
[02:29] "I'll download that one cos its smaller"
[02:29] when i started with ubuntu, I actually went to debian because I didn't know about them for a while
[02:30] if you compare http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/get-ubuntu/download to http://www.debian.org/CD/
[02:30] hamitron: you mean you didn't initially trust ubuntu over debian?
[02:30] ubuntu defaults to 'the latest 32bit desktop', with an easy option to switch to 64bit if you're sure
[02:31] and defaults to the livecd hassle
[02:31] debian gives you a list of http/ftp/torrent/jigdo, and then gives you a list of 10 arches without any clues
[02:32] even then, the netinst images are less than obvious
[02:32] I don't mind the page as it is, just give more options under "alternative downloads"
[02:32] if you want choices, you use http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ :)
[02:33] where is that advertised?
[02:33] you know, I just thought... windows has made it easier for people to download and burn iso files... isn't that almost like a step in the right direction to making it easier to people to download linux and install it?
[02:33] right here baby :D
[02:33] haha
[02:33] it's not advertised. because it's confusing to users, and skips mirrors completely.
[02:33] oh, and it put me on a slow ass mirror earlier
[02:34] * Azelphur built this today, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/March%202011/IMG_20110324_225040.jpg
[02:34] 6kb/s
[02:34] :/
[02:34] my second PC build :)
[02:34] they keep doing that to me. geoip keeps giving me heanet in dublin
[02:34] which is lovely, geographically. but it's slow as pants
[02:34] Azelphur: more like a monster, with that dongle out of the front
[02:34] hamitron: don't hate my Ubuntu stick :O
[02:35] what is glowing on the mobo?
[02:35] why does everyone make PC cases look like bad props from scifi movies :(
[02:36] hamitron: Republic of gamers logo :P
[02:36] bright white
[02:36] erm, ok ;/
[02:36] pretty leds :3
[02:36] I like a boring case
[02:36] shauno: a combination of reasons
[02:36] shauno: hmm, it always seems to point me to heanet too :/
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