[00:00] <pleia2> actually the wikipedia tells me it came out in 2002, so only 9 years ago :)
[00:00] <jhanafrog> plus the frozen throne came out even later
[00:00] <pleia2> yeah
[00:01] <pleia2> 2003
[00:01] <pleia2> I never got the expansion pack
[00:01] <jhanafrog> i did, it was fun
[00:02] <pleia2> I used to play the game aaaalll the time with my ex-husband, I am not sure why, he always lost
[00:02] <pleia2> I even tried mixing it up by playing random every time so I didn't get too good at one faction
[00:02] <jhanafrog> did you use cracks?
[00:02] <pleia2> nope
[00:03] <jhanafrog> i used to play online with random
[00:03] <jhanafrog> i think my highest level was 15
[00:03] <pleia2> I always played through wine, so no battle.net for me
[00:03] <jhanafrog> or was it 14?  i don't remember, it was pathetic though
[00:03] <pleia2> only played at home or at lan parties
[00:03] <jhanafrog> oh, battle.net doesn't work through wine?
[00:03] <jhanafrog> interesting
[00:03] <pleia2> it's complicated
[00:04] <pleia2> the wine support back then wasn't great, so you could get it to run, but it fell over itself when you tried to download the battle.net patches
[00:04] <jhanafrog> hmmm, yeah, battle.net "doesn't work" through wine for me either
[00:04] <jhanafrog> even now
[00:04] <jhanafrog> but i suspect it's this "demo" i'm trying
[00:05] <pleia2> I got Diablo 2 working with battle.net in 2006: http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=980
[00:05] <jhanafrog> and there were like a ton, since there were all these cracks
[00:05] <jhanafrog> i wonder when blizzard will make "Angeles 1"
[00:05] <pleia2> but then I never played it because I was bored of it and battle.net is scary
[00:05] <jhanafrog> ha. :|
[00:05] <pleia2> it didn't used to be so spammy
[00:05]  * pleia2 nostalgia
[00:06] <jhanafrog> i got "instakilled" once and then stopped playing it on battle.net
[00:06] <jhanafrog> i never got the diablo 2 expansion set
[00:06] <pleia2> sad
[00:07] <jhanafrog> females seem to like that game a lot
[00:07] <jhanafrog> i don't know why
[00:07] <pleia2> we like killing things
[00:07] <jhanafrog> or...maybe it's because they always like the "bad boys", and who's badder than satan himself?
[00:07] <pleia2> hahaha
[00:07] <pleia2> I named one of my cats Baal
[00:08] <pleia2> I've moved on since then, my cats now are Simcoe and... oh darn... Caligula
[00:08] <jhanafrog> or, herself, i'm not sure anyone has verified The Accuser's gender
[00:09] <jhanafrog> ah, Baal is nostalgic
[00:09] <jhanafrog> Kaligula, isn't that the murderous disciple of the Buddha with the bad Karma?
[00:09] <pleia2> oh, this is good: http://bash.org/?14409
[00:10] <jhanafrog> bad stuff kept happening to him :(
[00:10] <jhanafrog> this is scary:  WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!  remastersys  Install these packages without verification [y/N]? y
[00:10] <pleia2> nah, Caligula is the murderous, perverted emperor of rome
[00:10] <jhanafrog> oh, i always think of Nero
[00:10] <pleia2> perfect name for a cat, no?
[00:10] <jhanafrog> i guess they had a few
[00:11] <pleia2> yeah
[00:11] <jhanafrog> i named my cat Shinobi
[00:11] <jhanafrog> i had another one named Boshido
[00:11] <jhanafrog> Boshido is dead :(
[00:11] <pleia2> aww
[00:11] <jhanafrog> Shinobi is missing a tooth
[00:11] <jhanafrog> haha, funny
[00:11] <jhanafrog> wrt bash.org
[00:13] <jhanafrog> okay then, i guess i'll go over there now
[01:21] <aaditya> I'm tempted to respond to the last message on the mailing list informing them about the event tonight (though they would probably know about it), but that'd make me even more late for the Ubuntu hour.
[01:22]  * aaditya throws smoke bombs around and fades away.
[01:35] <gadgetdevil> The Sony Z is 1080p sub 13 inch, but it is no way under 13000
[01:35] <gadgetdevil> *1300
[01:47] <lfitz> is the intel 855gm module available in the latest kernel? we are at ubuntu lake forest, trying to figure this out...
[01:51] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours edited
[01:51] <quavmo> Howdy!
[01:51] <quavmo> I'm at Ubuntu Hour in Mountain View!
[01:51] <quavmo> I n the Red Rock Cafe, woohoo!
[01:52] <quavmo> Hey, jtatum, pleia2, see you soon?
[01:53] <jledbetter> quavmo, I think jtatum is on his way :)
[01:59] <quavmo> He's right here!
[02:05] <jledbetter> Woot!
[02:41] <jtatum> and here i am
[02:44] <jledbetter> jtatum, Welcome to California
[03:30] <pleia2> sorry, HOA meeting tonight, couldn't make it down :(
[03:32] <pleia2> (my boyfriend is on the board, so he has to come home for meetings, no ride home from mt view for me!)
[03:42] <jtatum> no worries pleia2
[03:42] <jtatum> greetings violajack
[03:42] <violajack> Hi, coming to you from Ubuntu hour Mountain View
[03:43] <violajack> You're too far away jtatum, voice communications don't work across the table
[03:43] <akk> I can pass messages ...
[03:44] <dragonoid> Hi all
[03:45] <dragonoid> How's it hangin'?
[03:58] <dragonoid> Hello byron
[03:58]  * dragonoid pokes violajack
[03:59]  * dragonoid types something
[04:00] <akk> HI, byron!
[04:00] <dragonoid> For those who are wondering why I'm acting a bit different - we're testing xchat here..
[04:01] <dragonoid> ;)
[04:03] <akk> IRCing with people sitting at the same table FTW
[04:04] <byron> Great for an IRC noob
[04:10] <byron> Bye!
[04:16] <jinjorge> just discovered there was a Ubuntu Hour this evening and I missed it
[04:54] <iheartubuntu> no luck on the monitor or projector for me tonite
[04:55] <iheartubuntu> i just took my entire dekstop computer and set it up in the board room
[04:55] <iheartubuntu> it worked
[04:56] <iheartubuntu> the laptop i tried to get to work with the projector also has Win7 on it and it could not connect to the projector either. so maybe im doing something wrong. ubuntu sees the monitor but doing Fn+F5 just gives me a blank screen on both the projector and laptop
[05:15] <jhanafrog> is fn+f5 the right key sequence?  it should have a little monitor icon, i'm not sure if it's always fn+f5
[05:15] <jhanafrog> iheartubuntu:
[05:21] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: ignore what everyone is saying.  Power down the laptop, plug in the monitor, then power on the laptop.  Once you're in Ubuntu, use System > Administration > Monitors to configure your monitors.
[05:22] <nhaines> That's the very first thing to try.  You can move on to other instructions if that doesn't work.
[05:22] <iheartubuntu> hmm
[05:22] <iheartubuntu> i have two monitor looking icons
[05:22] <iheartubuntu> F5 and also F6
[05:22] <iheartubuntu> one of them seems to do nothing
[05:22] <iheartubuntu> the other turns my screeen black
[05:23] <iheartubuntu> I had ubuntu seeing the projector and when i tried to switch to it, it just did nothing.
[05:23] <iheartubuntu> i tried to do it all in Win7 side and nothing also. My next attempt was to boot into Ubuntu again with everything plugged in, but Win7 would not shut down :) like, ever.
[05:24] <iheartubuntu> i had to disconnect the battery to turn it off so i never got to finally try.
[05:25] <iheartubuntu> so yah i was in the monitors setting, but only after plugging in the projector
[05:28] <nhaines> You're under no obligation to follow my advice, of course.  :)
[05:34] <iheartubuntu> :)
[05:34] <iheartubuntu> i will give that a try tomorrow when i get into work
[05:34] <iheartubuntu> my speech went well
[05:34] <iheartubuntu> sorta like a prep to get back into the speaking ring for me
[05:34] <iheartubuntu> was a toastmaster back in boy scouts
[05:35] <iheartubuntu> now hope i can somehow use this to help ubuntu
[05:36] <iheartubuntu> off to bed. did not sleep last nite. good night nathan. nice talking as always!
[05:58] <jhanafrog> i had assumed he tried restarting :)
[05:58] <jhanafrog> oh he left :(
[12:21] <jhanafrog> i'm up crazy early this morning
[16:13] <iheartubuntu> akk - i didnt have luck last night with the projector :(
[16:13] <akk> bummer, iheartubuntu :(
[16:13] <iheartubuntu> i know it was hooked up right too
[16:13] <iheartubuntu> so something im not doing right i guess
[16:14] <akk> The hookup is pretty easy. The problems are almost always bios/software.
[16:14] <iheartubuntu> nhaines gave me some tips, i'll bring the projector home tonite and test things and check the forums
[16:14] <akk> Does it talk to a monitor but not the projector?
[16:14] <iheartubuntu> how hard can this be :)
[16:14] <iheartubuntu> they both acted the same
[16:14] <iheartubuntu> monitor or projector
[16:15] <iheartubuntu> i can see the desktop wallpaper, but no icons on the desktop
[16:15] <iheartubuntu> no top and bottom bars either
[16:15] <akk> Okay, so probably not a resolution problem. When it only happens on a projector, it can be that it's sending a resolution the projector doesn't like.
[16:15] <akk> Oh, wait, so it is a resolution problem.
[16:15] <iheartubuntu> you think?
[16:15] <iheartubuntu> it looked like the wallpaper was the right size
[16:15] <akk> Did you go through that dialog I pasted yesterday, where you set the resolution of the second monitor?
[16:15] <iheartubuntu> i'll have to go through it again. i was pressed for time
[16:16] <iheartubuntu> thanks to OO Impress, people were impressed :)
[16:16] <akk> And, wait, gnome by default uses a second monitor as a second monitor, not as a dup of the first one.
[16:16] <iheartubuntu> I ended up setting up my desktop system with big monitor in the room
[16:16] <iheartubuntu> yah, i had to go into monitors setting and switch it
[16:17] <iheartubuntu> even monitors recognized the monitor and projector
[16:17] <iheartubuntu> strange i didnt at least see desktop icons
[16:17] <iheartubuntu> could the projector be too old?
[16:17] <akk> You switched it to make the second monitor be a dup of the first, but it wasn't showing the same thing?
[16:17] <iheartubuntu> monitor is only a year old
[16:17] <akk> If you were seeing anything at all, it isn't a too-old problem.
[16:17] <iheartubuntu> i dont know if i duped thme
[16:17] <iheartubuntu> them
[16:18] <iheartubuntu> projector was bought in 2008 i believe
[16:18] <iheartubuntu> 2007
[16:18] <iheartubuntu> has the typical vga to vga connector
[16:19] <akk> If gnome (or compiz or whatever) is treating them as separate screens, then you can drag a window from your laptop to the projector or back
[16:19] <akk> but you won't see the same desktop on both, and only one will have top/bottom panels.
[16:19] <iheartubuntu> should i not use compiz maybe?
[16:21] <iheartubuntu> ok thanks
[16:21] <akk> I don't know if gnome + another wm would make it easier or not.
[16:22] <iheartubuntu> i'll copy/paste all our chat and see if i can trouble shoot this. i should be proficient at it all
[16:22] <jhanafrog> btw iheartubuntu when you get a chance, what video chip?
[16:22] <iheartubuntu> i can make a website but cant connect a projector. embarrassing :)
[16:22] <jhanafrog> well, chipset might be a better term
[16:22] <akk> My setup is a lot more straightforward and I just type an xrandr command to send output to another monitor
[16:22] <iheartubuntu> chip?
[16:22] <akk> which in a way is a lot simpler, but it's also a lot less gui and I don't have desktop effects, wobbly windows and all that.
[16:22] <iheartubuntu> hmmm... its a laptop... not sure... i think it could be intel?
[16:22] <jhanafrog> well, it's a notebook, i'm not sure if "card" really applies
[16:22] <jhanafrog> like nvidia, ati, intel
[16:23] <jhanafrog> ah, interesting
[16:23] <iheartubuntu> OHHHhhh and i wonder if i have a problem because im using wubi on that system too
[16:23] <jhanafrog> i have intel too, but i think the i915 driver is used for all intel chipsets
[16:23] <jhanafrog> video chipsets that is
[16:24] <akk> yes, I believe that's true
[16:24] <jhanafrog> ah wubi, that's when i'll bow out
[16:24] <jhanafrog> never used it
[16:24] <akk> except maybe g500 which is some evil proprietary thing
[16:24]  * akk has no clue about wubi either, had to google it just now
[16:24] <akk> but if ubuntu is running directly on the hardware, not in a vm, I wouldn't think it would matter
[16:25] <jhanafrog> i've read stuff on it, but...well...yeah, never used it
[16:25] <iheartubuntu> i didnt want to delete Win7 on that laptop since im sorta borrowing it. I'll wipe Ubuntu off of it when i get around to shipping the laptop to inlaws
[16:25] <jhanafrog> do you have a liveusb iheartubuntu?
[16:26] <iheartubuntu> nope
[16:26] <iheartubuntu> i shoulda ordered one from the ubuntu store
[16:26] <iheartubuntu> dang
[16:26] <jhanafrog> perhaps something to invest in.
[16:26] <jhanafrog> yeah, i guess that would've been good
[16:26] <jhanafrog> i may have an extra one you can borrow
[16:26] <jhanafrog> there is one sitting in my mom's room that has been sitting there for like a month
[16:27] <jhanafrog> well, if you have a livecd you can boot from that and see how the video works
[16:28] <akk> wish they'd make it easier to make liveusb
[16:28] <akk> you could always make a fedora liveusb and try from there :)
[16:28] <iheartubuntu> im going to Frys at lunch
[16:28] <iheartubuntu> 3TB drive for $130
[16:28] <iheartubuntu> that should do me for a while
[16:28] <iheartubuntu> i'll pick up a chip or two
[16:29] <jhanafrog> ha, i've never succeeded in making a fedora liveusb
[16:29] <jhanafrog> whoa, dude, isn't that overkill?
[16:29] <iheartubuntu> what
[16:29] <akk> I just dd it onto the usb stick
[16:29] <iheartubuntu> two chips?
[16:29] <iheartubuntu> i need backup for all my data
[16:29] <jhanafrog> usbstick?
[16:29] <jhanafrog> well, for one, why?
[16:29] <iheartubuntu> 3TB for backup
[16:29] <jhanafrog> and for two, do you have a lot of movies?
[16:30] <iheartubuntu> a TON of movies
[16:30] <iheartubuntu> all russian
[16:30] <jhanafrog> 3TB for seeding :D
[16:30] <iheartubuntu> downloaded form russian sites
[16:30] <iheartubuntu> old soviet cartoons, movies, etc
[16:30] <iheartubuntu> no
[16:30] <iheartubuntu> no seeding
[16:30] <jhanafrog> waaaaat?!  cartoons?!
[16:30] <iheartubuntu> when my wifes family visits i want them to feel at home
[16:30] <jhanafrog> ah, no torrents
[16:30] <jhanafrog> no torrents make me sad
[16:30] <iheartubuntu> have a library of their fave shows
[16:30] <jhanafrog> i put up some torrents on my site http://fictionalphilosophy.org/share
[16:31] <iheartubuntu> they can just plug into the TV and have fun
[16:31] <jhanafrog> the movie "spring summer fall winter and spring" is good
[16:31] <jhanafrog> sad T_T
[16:32] <jhanafrog> well, i guess it's not "good" in the traditional sense
[16:34] <iheartubuntu> is T_T a sad face? sorta looks like one
[16:34] <jhanafrog> yeah, it's supposed to be
[16:35] <jhanafrog> like this:  http://www.ericashenfelter.com/old/Wallpapers/autobot.jpg
[16:35] <jhanafrog> i'm a sad robot :(
[17:12] <iheartubuntu> pliea2 is there anything i need to post today? Palo Alto Ubuntu Hour?
[17:13] <pleia2> nope, nothing today
[17:13] <iheartubuntu> mm k thanks
[17:13] <pleia2> palo alto isn't until next friday :)
[17:13] <iheartubuntu> ohh is that the one that got moved
[17:14] <pleia2> yeah
[17:14] <pleia2> now it's the same day as jono's jam in walnut creek
[17:14] <pleia2> but it's in the evening and the jam is in the dyatime
[17:16] <akk> Probably not many people will drive from WC to PA.
[17:16] <pleia2> I live in between, so if I didn't have work I'd consider both
[17:19] <iheartubuntu> from West Coast to Pennsylvania?
[17:19] <iheartubuntu> ohh walnut creek
[17:45] <iheartubuntu> 8GB flash drive at Frys = $9
[17:49] <iheartubuntu> also at Frys = acer 10.1" netbook, 160GB hd and 1GB mem = $189
[17:49] <iheartubuntu> wow thats cheap
[17:50] <pleia2> it's sad that they don't do the SSD thing so much in netbooks anymore
[17:50] <pleia2> I guess consumers assume bigger harddrive is always better :(
[17:50] <akk> Yes, it is. SSD netbooks are so awesome.
[17:50] <iheartubuntu> that would be great
[17:50] <akk> They never figured out they should advertise that as a great feature
[17:50] <akk> whereas they know how to advertise "160GB"
[17:50] <pleia2> yeah
[17:50] <iheartubuntu> im considering to extend the life of my desktops to switch them to SSD for the main drive and put my current drives as slaves
[17:51] <akk> They need to stress the battery life, or speed differences, or something.
[17:51] <pleia2> to me the old harddrives make the netbook pretty much useless
[17:51] <iheartubuntu> i jsut want to see Ubuntu FLY
[17:51] <pleia2> ssd means I can play catch with it!
[17:51] <akk> I still have a spinning disk in my laptop and it's okay -- but I do appreciate the advantages of SSD.
[17:51] <akk> (do they make 1.8" IDE SSDs?)
[17:51] <iheartubuntu> i wonder if you can plug in an SSD into the SSD card reader slot and boot off of it?
[17:52] <pleia2> akk: I don't think so
[17:52] <iheartubuntu> its no fun taking apart laptops :|
[17:52] <akk> iheartubuntu: Most laptops don't boot off SD card, AFAIK, but you could probably set up a grub entry and PLOP to do that.
[17:52] <pleia2> oh hey, the internet tells me they do
[17:52]  * iheartubuntu has three that are apart laying around the house
[17:52] <KB1JWQ> I had a laptop running Lucid in the early beta phase.
[17:52] <akk> Maybe really new ones do.
[17:52] <KB1JWQ> SSD in it.  Boot time according to bootchart was 12.93 seconds.
[17:53] <iheartubuntu> i was thinking just point it in the bios like u can do to boot off of usb first or whatever
[17:53] <iheartubuntu> hi KB1JWQ
[17:54] <KB1JWQ> iheartubuntu: Booting off of an external USB key isn't going to save you any time.
[17:54] <KB1JWQ> iheartubuntu: You're going to find that the USB drive becomes a bottleneck.
[17:54] <iheartubuntu> jeez... 1.5TB western digital for $69
[17:54] <iheartubuntu> external
[17:55] <KB1JWQ> iheartubuntu: What's the real-world problem you're trying to solve though?  How often do you boot your machine, and how fast do you want it to go? :-)
[17:55] <iheartubuntu> 2TB internal for $79
[17:55] <KB1JWQ> Yeah, it's crazynuts these days.
[17:55] <KB1JWQ> iheartubuntu: Crappy 5400 though?
[17:55] <iheartubuntu> i shut my machine off every time i go to bed or leave the house
[17:55] <iheartubuntu> its a dekstop so i dont want it using electricity
[17:56] <iheartubuntu> 32mb transfer
[17:56] <KB1JWQ> iheartubuntu: Depending on how long you're gone for, low power mode may be better powerwise.
[17:56] <iheartubuntu> u mean hibernating?
[17:57] <iheartubuntu> at work i dont have a choice since all the main power switches get turned off
[17:58]  * iheartubuntu needs computer connected to brain
[17:58] <KB1JWQ> iheartubuntu: Where the heck do you work that KILLS POWER TO THE BUILDING? :-)
[17:59] <iheartubuntu> own biz
[17:59] <iheartubuntu> we have machines generating hundreds of thousands of Kv
[17:59] <iheartubuntu> we shut off EVERYTHING so no power surges destroy the machines at night
[17:59] <iheartubuntu> cant afford to lose any expensive machines
[18:00]  * kdub_ updates wiki page
[18:00]  * iheartubuntu still cant get frankenstein to come alive tho
[18:00] <yantrashilpi> iheartubuntu: and saves a load on the power bills I bet?
[18:00] <iheartubuntu> yah
[18:01] <jhanafrog> too bad you couldn't isolate the electricity
[18:01] <jhanafrog> like computers on this circuit
[18:01] <jhanafrog> other machinery on something else
[18:01] <jhanafrog> then you could suspend
[18:01] <jhanafrog> which would save time
[18:02] <jhanafrog> not much, but it could add up to something significant
[18:02] <iheartubuntu> there are some things we are thinking of and taking to the electric company when we increase to 440v setup
[18:07] <yantrashilpi> iheartubuntu: does that mean you'll have a tesla charging station, hahaha.
[18:20] <iheartubuntu> i wish :)
[18:21] <jhanafrog> i wonder at what point it makes sense to shutdown a system instead of using suspend
[18:22] <jhanafrog> it probably costs less than 7 cents to power a system that is suspended for a day i'm guessing
[18:22] <jhanafrog> since it's like 7 cents an hour to power an lcd tv
[18:23] <yantrashilpi> jhanafrog: I think it's more of a time factor than power, right?
[18:23] <jhanafrog> yantrashilpi: you mean $ factor?
[18:23] <yantrashilpi> possibly.
[18:24] <jhanafrog> that actually brings up an interesting question
[18:24] <jhanafrog> how much electricity is generated each day, it could be a power factor if green is the goal
[18:25] <yantrashilpi> ahh yes, then I think it is still better to turn everything off or hibernate might be an option.
[18:26] <yantrashilpi> what are the most hungry components?
[18:26] <iheartubuntu> in a house or in the ocmputer
[18:26] <iheartubuntu> computer
[18:27] <iheartubuntu> i know a desktop draws a lot more than a laptop
[18:27] <iheartubuntu> dont know how much off hand
[18:27] <yantrashilpi> computer
[18:27] <yantrashilpi> how much cna we really save? is it easier to just turn off the monitors
[18:27] <yantrashilpi> and not worry about the desktops
[18:27] <yantrashilpi> also there is component degradation.
[18:28] <yantrashilpi> you can keep the desktops running all the time but fans will degrade much faster than when they are turned off and not working I'd imagine.
[18:28] <yantrashilpi> it is ALWAYS more green to extend life of a component or reuse it rather than buy a new low power one.
[18:28] <yantrashilpi> if that's the goal that is.
[18:34] <akk> Some desktops can draw around 70-100 watts, like an incandescent bulb, just sitting there (not counting the monitor).
[18:34] <akk> Others are more like 20-25.
[18:34] <kdub_> coming from a kernel development point of view, power management is a reeaallll PITA :P
[18:35] <akk> hmm, actually no, 25 is about rock bottom for a desktop, 40 is more typical for an efficient one.
[18:35] <akk> I got my dual atom machine down to 25W idle with a PicoPSU and a laptop disk.
[18:35] <kdub_> 25 would surprise me too
[18:36] <akk> This faster Intel machine can get down to 35 at idle, with a laptop disk and no services like hal running.
[18:36] <kdub_> i know DarkwingDuck is in San Diego county,  is there anyone else in San Diego county in IRC?
[18:39] <yantrashilpi> so I'd guess turning it off/hibernate would be the best option
[18:41] <akk> yes, though suspend isn't much worse -- only 1-3 watts typically, for a machine that suspends properly.
[18:42] <akk> If you're interested in power usage, a kill-a-watt (about $20) is a great investment -- it's fun and sometimes surprising to see how much power things use.
[18:42] <akk> e.g. plug the tv-vcr-stereo complex into it when they're all "off"
[18:43] <yantrashilpi> ahhh akk that's a smart tool... I should do that. Now i usually just turn everything off when I leave the house.
[18:43] <akk> We do too -- but "turn off" these days doesn't mean "off", since most devices just go to standby mode.
[18:45] <akk> Including computers -- for instance, macs use just as much power "off" as they do in "sleep".
[18:45] <akk> (still not much, though, 2W or something)
[18:46] <akk> I shouldn't say "macs" as it that's all macs ... that's mac minis, we don't have any others to measure.
[18:47] <akk> On one desktop machine I found that unplugging the internal DVD saved 2 watts.
[18:48] <akk> I wasn't using it to read or burn DVDs; just having it plugged in (I think that was IDE, not SATA) upped the machine's power use by that much.
[19:11] <jhanafrog> i wonder if suspend is better for component life than hibernate, since there is more power cycling through.  not sure how to test that one
[19:11] <jhanafrog> probably need some solid EE theory to figure it out
[19:13] <jhanafrog> i guess that is only true for mechanical devices, like hard drives and fans, i guess because of newton's 2nd law
[19:13] <jhanafrog> object in motion and all that
[19:52] <iheartubuntu> sys76 sells an ion meerkat netbox (or something like that).. a desktop that draws only 10w
[19:52] <iheartubuntu> their prices are pretty out of line the more i investigate.
[19:52] <iheartubuntu> i can but something equal for half the price elsewhere.
[19:53] <iheartubuntu> i dont mind supporting open source community, but when prices reach almost double... i dont know
[19:53] <iheartubuntu> thats like people selling ubuntu discs for $20
[19:53] <iheartubuntu> ok not exaclty like it, but still
[19:54] <pleia2> you pay for the testing and support that goes along with the assurance that it'll work flawlessly with linux (can be vital for servers and high end laptops)
[19:54] <pleia2> but admittedly I haven't bought from a linux vendor either
[19:57] <iheartubuntu> i just picked up a 1TB portable hard drive at frys for $80.. awesome. so small! no power cord either :)
[19:58] <iheartubuntu> frys is only a couple miles away :) :)
[20:03] <DarkwingDuck> What's up kdub_?
[20:14] <pleia2> oh fail, I'm going to be in the wrong bit of the world for the typical day for the SF Ubuntu Hour day these next two months
[20:15] <yantrashilpi> pleia2: there is no such thing as wrong bit of the world :). Enjoy your times away, hahah.
[20:16] <pleia2> thanks :)
[20:18] <DarkwingDuck> whoot!
[20:19] <DarkwingDuck> Someone gave me a little Acer AspireOne netbook today
[20:19] <pleia2> nice
[20:20] <DarkwingDuck> Yup
[20:20] <DarkwingDuck> Small
[20:20] <DarkwingDuck> Not used the the keyboard
[20:20] <DarkwingDuck> But, I put my ubuntu graphic on it
[20:20] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[20:21] <DarkwingDuck> Thinking about putting Arch on there and have a non gui netbook
[20:25] <kdub_> DarkwingDuck: i was just trying to see if you knew any other san diego area people who hang out in irc
[20:25] <kdub_> and, arch is a good distro, i used it for a year when it was starting. hopefully only got better since 2008
[20:26] <DarkwingDuck> I'm just looking for CLI only :)
[20:46] <iheartubuntu> Congrats DarkwingDuck for joining the beginners team!
[20:47] <pleia2> he joined the beginners team *council* :)
[20:48] <DarkwingDuck> I've been part of the BT for a while
[20:48] <DarkwingDuck> I was just elected on the council
[20:52] <jhanafrog> congrats DarkwingDuck on joining the beginners team ;)
[20:53] <jhanafrog> apparently FAFSA thinks linux and firefox are an "unsupported browser", but at least it allows the viewing of the page
[20:53] <jhanafrog> with chromium it flat out denies it
[20:54] <yantrashilpi> congratulations DarkwingDuck !
[20:55] <yantrashilpi> jhanafrog: I think many of those govt sites still support only IE6 I think :)
[20:55] <yantrashilpi> I wish Aneesh would do something about that.
[20:56] <jhanafrog> who's Aneesh?
[20:58] <yantrashilpi> the US CTO I believe.
[20:58] <yantrashilpi> kinda like a CTO for the government.
[20:58] <yantrashilpi> I may have his name wrong.
[20:59] <jhanafrog> Aneesh Chopra, i see
[20:59] <iheartubuntu> ohh yes sorry :)
[21:00] <jhanafrog> cool yantrashilpi thanks for info
[21:00] <yantrashilpi> sure no problem!
[21:00] <yantrashilpi> I remember him being appointed and then suddenly a bunch of twitter people were talking about him being at SXSW
[21:01] <jhanafrog> sxsw?  what was he doing there?
[21:01] <jhanafrog> does he play a musical instrument?
[21:01] <yantrashilpi> haha, i don't know. networking I guess... it's like a tech + arts thing right?
[21:02] <yantrashilpi> lots of techies and artists.
[21:02] <jhanafrog> i thought sxsw was just music
[21:02] <jhanafrog> cool
[21:04] <jhanafrog> as if music wasn't enough ;)
[21:07] <yantrashilpi> hahaha jhanafrog music is never enough ;)
[21:07] <yantrashilpi> oh wait... yes it is.
[21:08] <jhanafrog> i can use my computer like i can play a flute...not well
[21:12] <jhanafrog> i love this flute piece:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgmEgrX5aWc
[21:15] <iheartubuntu> wow, ubuntu didnt even give me a time frame for transferring 4 GB of data. QUICK
[21:16] <iheartubuntu> i need another 1TB now :)
[21:16] <akk> pretty, jhanafrog
[21:18] <jhanafrog> i find it gut wrenching
[21:18] <jhanafrog> if i allow it to be
[21:19] <jhanafrog> er, hold on while i learn to write 0's and 1's to a platter iheartubuntu
[21:19]  * akk just got back from looking at flooded creeks and coots and egrets ... the music is going nicely with the photos
[21:20] <yantrashilpi> it is what I call wonderful melancholy jhanafrog ... on that note did anyone else enjoy the rain at all?
[21:21] <jhanafrog> on that note, what is the note for wonderful melachnoly, a C flat?
[21:21] <pleia2> I enjoyed the rain at first...
[21:22] <yantrashilpi> jhanafrog: I think it is the B minor scale... I am probably wrong.
[21:22] <jhanafrog> i neither enjoyed the rain nor despised the rain
[21:22] <jhanafrog> when it got on me, and the wind made me cold, i went inside
[21:23] <jhanafrog> when i felt claustrophobic inside, i went outside under a tree
[21:23] <jhanafrog> this is interesting:  http://www.youtube.com/creators?x=creatorinstitute  you might be interested iheartubuntu
[21:58] <iheartubuntu> what is standard for doing presentations? just running the Impress file from within Impress? What I ended up doing was convert it to PDF so it could be viewed easy on any machine.
[21:59] <iheartubuntu> with PDF it must embed my transitions too. Very nice.
[21:59] <akk> You're getting animated transitions in PDF?
[21:59] <iheartubuntu> in evince YAH
[21:59] <iheartubuntu> even in adobe reader 9 and okular
[22:00] <akk> Huh, wonder if that's that embedded javascript thing that news articles keep saying to turn off because it has so many security holes?
[22:00] <iheartubuntu> pdfs with javascript?
[22:00] <akk> Most people seem to present impress from within impress, but it's helpful to keep a PDF around (or a ppt,if it's for a nonlinux group) in case you need to present on another machine.
[22:00] <jono> hey fokks
[22:00] <jono> folks
[22:01] <jono> can anyone make it to the Walnut Creek Global Jam a week today?
[22:01] <jono> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/701/detail/
[22:01] <akk> and yes, adobe added JS to PDF some time ago, and that's part of why PDF is now the leading vector for malware, surpassing even MS Word.
[22:02] <yantrashilpi> hmmm I"m using nitro on windows and evince on ubuntu so hopefully that alleviates the issue.
[22:02] <yantrashilpi> I'm thinking if you can get an net connection just do it using one of hte online utilities
[22:02] <yantrashilpi> if possible.
[22:03] <akk> I use html so I know my presentations work from online. :)
[22:03] <kdub_> walnut creek's a bit far for me down here :P
[22:03] <akk> yeah, walnut creek's a long way, especially on a weekday.
[22:03] <iheartubuntu> but is there javascript within PDF files generated in ubuntu?
[22:04] <akk> iheartubuntu: I don't think standard PDF includes animation, does it?
[22:04] <iheartubuntu> i dont think so
[22:04] <iheartubuntu> not unless you print it out and flip the pages real fast :)
[22:04] <iheartubuntu> or roll your scroll wheel
[22:04] <iheartubuntu> :p
[22:05] <akk> so it must be doing javascript, if you're seeing animated transitions
[22:05] <akk> or flash -- apparently you can embed flash inside pdf
[22:05]  * akk liked pdf better when it was a format for printed documents
[22:06] <jhanafrog> it's too bad we can't just utilize technology to have like a video conference
[22:06] <iheartubuntu> wait. so evince and openoffice needs java installed to handle transitions?
[22:06] <jhanafrog> that could potentially be a killerapp
[22:06]  * jhanafrog writes a word of code, gives up
[22:06] <akk> java != javascript
[22:06] <iheartubuntu> we could skype
[22:06] <akk> they're not even related, completely different languages with confusingly similar names
[22:07] <jhanafrog> what about empathy?  how does it handle voice and video?
[22:07] <iheartubuntu> you have my empathy janafrog
[22:07] <iheartubuntu> jhanafrog
[22:07] <iheartubuntu> ribit
[22:07] <jhanafrog> we could try skype, i've used it before
[22:07] <jhanafrog> but if there's an foss tool, i'd rather use it
[22:07] <iheartubuntu> i have no camera hooked to this system. empathy thinks my tv card is the webcam
[22:08] <jhanafrog> i've never tried empathy, since i don't know anybody that uses it
[22:08] <iheartubuntu> you know me
[22:08] <jhanafrog> you use it?
[22:08]  * iheartubuntu wishes we could do avatars in irc
[22:09] <iheartubuntu> im using it now
[22:09] <iheartubuntu> cant you tell?
[22:09] <jhanafrog> let me see if i can turn the camera on even
[22:09] <akk> I've heard good things about Big Blue Button for web conferencing.
[22:09] <akk> They had a booth at SCALE but I couldn't really tell much about it from there.
[22:09] <jhanafrog> is it in the repositories?
[22:09] <jhanafrog> it's hard to remember the words on the screen are supposed to represent people
[22:10] <iheartubuntu> http://www.bigbluebutton.org/
[22:11] <iheartubuntu> u can do a demo on their page
[22:11] <jhanafrog> ah "new call" that's pretty cool
[22:11] <jhanafrog> is it FOSS?
[22:12] <iheartubuntu> theres nothing to download? its all on the web?
[22:12] <jhanafrog> there's no way this will work if i can't get cheese to work
[22:12] <jhanafrog> that's my bet anyway
[22:12] <iheartubuntu> that would be EXCELLENT for Ubuntu Classroom
[22:13] <iheartubuntu> overview: http://www.bigbluebutton.org/overview
[22:13] <iheartubuntu> voice and camera, even screen sharing
[22:13] <jhanafrog> i'm joining a demo :D
[22:13] <iheartubuntu> chat
[22:13] <iheartubuntu> presentations area
[22:13] <iheartubuntu> very nice
[22:14] <iheartubuntu> how to install on ubuntu - http://code.google.com/p/bigbluebutton/wiki/InstallationUbuntu
[22:15] <iheartubuntu> akk i did not see them there. did they have any examples running?
[22:16] <akk> No, at least not when I was there. That would have made for a better booth.
[22:20] <iheartubuntu> on the verge of doing a fresh install on my computer im using right now. is it advisable to use a gparted to format the drive or even do a complete write to zero of my drive?
[22:20] <iheartubuntu> or is the tool on the ubuntu disc adequate
[22:20] <iheartubuntu> ive always just used the disc
[22:21] <akk> gparted is a bit easier, more visual, but the tool in the installer is fine.
[22:21] <akk> I usually use the installer if I'm installing anyway, gparted if I'm partitioning an external drive on a machine that's already running.
[22:25] <iheartubuntu> i was just curious if there are any benefits doing a complete wipe of the drive separate from what the livecd does (like speed up the drive since its wiped clean??)
[22:25]  * iheartubuntu asks the dumb questions
[22:26] <akk> none that I know of
[22:27] <akk> unless you have super seekrit data you're trying to erase
[22:28] <iheartubuntu> wow u can even call a phone # to do the conference on big blue button to get the audio
[23:12] <Guest28722> it looks like they weren't too keen on the idea of self-defense training at noisebridge
[23:13] <Guest28722> oops
[23:13] <jhanafrog> i guess they want to narrow down the center, to keep it relatively specialized, which i can understand
[23:13] <jhanafrog> but it's an interesting exploration to see how it would be received...
[23:13] <pleia2> it's pretty packed in there stuff-wise, not sure they'd have the room for it
[23:13] <jhanafrog> where there's a will there's a way
[23:13] <jhanafrog> but yeah, it isn't optimal
[23:14] <jhanafrog> when i was in san francisco i was training with some guy i met on craigslist
[23:14] <jhanafrog> oh yeah, you met him pleia2, i met up with him at that ubuntu hour
[23:15] <pleia2> ah, cool
[23:15] <pleia2> also, I just realized who you are, I can't keep track of your nicknames :)
[23:15] <jhanafrog> he's a shorter japanese dude
[23:16] <jhanafrog> just trying to keep everyone on their toes, either that, or keep things interesting :)
[23:19] <jhanafrog> now if i could only figure out why my nickname gets changed to guest, i should probably just reinstall irssi.
[23:19] <jhanafrog> oh right, big blue button, forgot
[23:30] <jhanafrog> well, it looks like the webcam is working in flash on bigbluebutton
[23:30] <jhanafrog> which is shocking
[23:30] <jhanafrog> (for dramatic effect)