[00:23] <rick_h_> hmm, where's tjagoda when you need him to help keep the flames stoked a bit
[00:28] <rick_h_> DBO: ping
[00:32] <snap-l> DBO: ping
[00:39] <DBO> woops
[00:39] <DBO> hey
[00:39] <DBO> jassmith87
[00:40] <rick_h_> k, added
[00:40] <rick_h_> will call up in a sec
[01:34] <jcastro> so it went well?
[01:34] <jcastro> rick_h_: did DBO profess his love for tiling window managers?
[01:36] <rick_h_> jcastro: no, but his love os extra pixels
[01:36] <rick_h_> so I agreed with him
[01:36] <DBO> extra pixels FTW
[01:37] <jcastro> dude you gotta give it props
[01:37] <jcastro> gnome-do-ish things by default
[01:37] <jcastro> keyboard shortcut's all planned out to a tee
[01:37] <jcastro> maximum terminal space when you maximize
[01:38] <DBO> i love the gnome-do-ish feature
[01:38] <rick_h_> http://uploads.mitechie.com/awesome.png && http://uploads.mitechie.com/awesome2.png && http://uploads.mitechie.com/awesome3.png
[01:38] <rick_h_> that's what I want :P
[01:38] <DBO> 4 finger tap, type, enter
[01:38] <rick_h_> but you need two hands to type on a keyboard
[01:38] <rick_h_> how do you four finger tap from home row? :P
[01:40] <rick_h_> very cool conversation though, and learned some stuff I definitely didn't know
[01:40] <rick_h_> so can't wait to get this out start of next week for sure
[01:40] <DBO> rick_h_, unity supports some limited tiling
[01:40] <rick_h_> ty DBO and quick phone dialer jcastro
[01:40] <DBO> similar to Aero Snap (for a blasphemous windows comparison)
[01:41] <rick_h_> DBO: yea, but I'm not into that. I do all my resizing/etc via keyboard. The first link is my fav dev environment when docked
[01:41] <rick_h_> where I have the double terms below the full width vim instance
[01:41] <rick_h_> but I'll play with it when it comes out for sure.
[01:41] <DBO> yeah :)
[01:41] <DBO> its not for everyone
[01:41] <DBO> yet...
[01:41] <DBO> I'll get you sooner or later
[01:42] <rick_h_> well, I'm extreme edge case. It's not me I'm worried about. It's the snap-l, wolgers (well he's an old kde junkie though), etc
[01:42] <DBO> jcastro, I land the love handles, and what does OMG ubuntu blog: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/new-look-ubuntu-mug-goes-on-sale/
[01:42] <rick_h_> lol
[01:43] <rick_h_> woooo! new coffee!
[01:43] <rick_h_> but I think the thing to remember is that this is really stage 1 of a few stages (don't want to count maverick/unity/netbook)
[01:44] <rick_h_> though that doesn't help when you install and it's what you see/get. "6mo it'll have more xx/yy for you", but the cost of 6mo release cycles
[01:44] <jcastro> YEAH!
[01:48] <greg-g> uhhhh, I got an in-person interview
[01:48] <jjesse> yay?
[01:48] <greg-g> yay indeed
[01:48] <rick_h_> yay!!!!
[01:48] <_stink_> greg-g: YAY
[01:48] <greg-g> just gotta figure out how to get there and back during a pretty busy time for me
[01:48] <rick_h_> dude, beers
[01:48] <DBO> greg-g, for a job?
[01:48] <_stink_> greg-g: don't you ride a bike everywhere?
[01:48] <greg-g> yeah, with Wikimedia Foundation
[01:49] <greg-g> _stink_: it'll take a little longer than I can afford to get to SF and back :P
[01:49] <DBO> greg-g, KUDOS!
[01:49] <jjesse> wahoo
[01:49] <greg-g> thanks DBO
[01:49] <greg-g> thanks all! :)
[01:50] <greg-g> so uh, guys, I might have to bail on the UGJ :/
[01:50] <greg-g> not sure yet, still trying to figure out when I'm going, but it is a possibility, unfortunately
[01:50] <DBO> UGJ?
[01:51] <greg-g> ubuntu global jam
[01:51] <greg-g> get on th emailing list! :)
[01:51] <DBO> the who to the what now?
[01:51] <greg-g> heh
[01:52] <rick_h_> greg-g: I'll get you a hall pass
[01:52] <rick_h_> now greg-g , this position is telecommute right ;)
[01:52] <rick_h_> I wouldn't want to have to root against you or anything secretly
[01:52] <greg-g> uhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[01:52]  * greg-g whistles
[01:53] <rick_h_> brousch: get ready then, greg-g has some grooming to do
[01:53] <greg-g> :)
[01:53] <rick_h_> seriously though, good stuff, can't cross my fingers enough for you
[01:54] <greg-g> thanks so much, man
[01:54] <DBO> greg-g, was your previous job telecommuniting
[01:54] <rick_h_> greg-g: we still good for the interview date you think?
[01:54] <rick_h_> or should we look at moving that?
[01:54] <greg-g> DBO: no, just in Ann Arbor, for the University
[01:54] <rick_h_> it's the week after GJ
[01:54] <DBO> ah good, then I dont have to remind you to wear pants
[01:55] <greg-g> hah
[01:56] <greg-g> rick_h_: nah, I need to be back on Friday for an event anyways, and I can't really do a wed/thurs thing out there, so the interview time is fine
[01:56] <rick_h_> greg-g: ok cool, just wanted to dbl check
[01:56] <rick_h_> alright, I'm out all, have fun
[01:56] <greg-g> yeah, thanks though
[01:56] <greg-g> later!
[02:00] <brousch> greg-g: congrats! it sounds like they were into you
[02:02] <greg-g> brousch: I hope so :)
[02:03] <brousch> so you have to fly out to san francisco during the GBJ?
[02:06] <brousch> ok, well i fell asleep on the couch at 8:30, so i'm gonna finish that sleeping thing now
[02:06] <DBO> rick_h_, how would you like charline to get in contact with you?
[02:08] <DBO> snap-l, ^^
[02:21] <snap-l> OK, off to watch DBO
[02:21] <snap-l> Dr Who, rather. :)
[02:21] <DBO> cheers
[02:21] <snap-l> DBO: Contact us at feedback@lococast.net
[02:21] <DBO> too late
[02:21] <snap-l> or rick_h_ will mention a more preferred method
[02:21] <DBO> already gave her ricks email
[02:22] <DBO> :)
[11:43] <rick_h_> yay for blocked internet access
[11:49] <brousch> been surfing too much tiling porn?
[11:49] <rick_h_> at a dealership and their wifi blocks gmail/amazon
[11:51] <brousch> if you'd implemented the wifi proxy you could be surfing through your home internet right now
[11:52] <rick_h_> yea, actually I'd just tether the phone
[11:53] <rick_h_> but found gmail and amazon blocks funny
[11:53] <rick_h_> twitter open
[11:54] <rick_h_> though they are blocking twitter's cdn
[11:54] <rick_h_> so no avatars, css when I pull up the site
[12:18] <brousch> the move to samba3 is going well
[12:18] <brousch> i may get to retire this dapper server soon
[12:18] <snap-l> rick_h_: Seriously? Blocking a CDN?
[12:19] <snap-l> Maybe they just block 443 access. ;)
[12:19] <rick_h_> snap-l: yea, Reason for restriction: Forbidden Category "Chat/Instant Messaging (IM)"
[12:19] <rick_h_> when I hit http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/572829723/original_normal.jpg
[12:20] <rick_h_> however twitter.com loads
[12:20] <snap-l> I would think that IM would be the last thing that a dealership would block
[12:20] <snap-l> Unless they have you on the same wifi as the employees
[12:20] <snap-l> IN which case, that's just dumb on several counts. :)
[12:20] <rick_h_> I'd see blocking twitter, but hitting the cdn vs the main url seems strange to me
[12:21] <brousch> nmap it all
[12:21] <rick_h_> heh
[12:21] <brousch> h4x0r them
[12:21] <rick_h_> it's more just a curoisity
[12:21] <rick_h_> lol
[12:21] <rick_h_> must be a sonicwall bug out there, take over the router
[12:21] <rick_h_> I'd bet it's not been updated
[12:22] <snap-l> brb, reboooooot.
[12:23] <brousch> ug, i may be working with visual studio next month. have to pull some crap out of autodesk inventor with its .net api
[12:23] <rick_h_> ouch
[12:24]  * rick_h_ sends beverage assistance
[12:24] <brousch> very ouch since my windows machine is 5 years old and has 1.5GB of ram
[12:24] <brousch> that's not much room to run inventor and VS
[12:25] <brousch> i saw a couple of examples using ironpython, so i might have slightly less pain
[12:27] <rick_h_> crap, save me, sitting in a waiting room, with fox news on, and a bunch of guys sitting around discussing how hot/not the picture of the lady in this story is
[12:27] <rick_h_> ooh, now we're on to egyption leaders dumping their swiss accounts and starting a 7-11 with the 'billions' they probably have
[12:28] <brousch> engage them in intelligent discussion. it is your duty.
[12:29]  * rick_h_ sits mute typing on work code
[12:36] <rick_h_> man, someone cut my ears off, this is painful
[12:54] <snap-l> rick_h_: Whatever you do, don't look into their eyes
[12:54] <snap-l> or they'll suddenly become very real, and get inside your brain
[12:54] <snap-l> before you know it, you'll be taking Rush Limbaugh seriously
[12:54] <brousch> you will be safe if you mumble, "goddam obama"
[12:54] <snap-l> also, is identi.ca blocked?
[12:55] <snap-l> "where's the God damn birth-certificate"?
[12:55] <snap-l> "Fuck healthcare, just as long as my medicare check still cashes"
[13:04] <tjagoda> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/03/android-apps-on-playbook-tablet-could-be-a-mixed-bag-for-platform.ars
[13:06] <snap-l> http://openmetalcast.com/2011/03/25/open-metalcast-instrumetalcast-2-groovy-djent/
[13:11] <rick_h_> http://www.bgr.com/2011/03/24/rim-reports-q4-earnings-revenue-misses-estimates-despite-record-shipments
[13:15] <snap-l> http://bestiary.ca/ <- Had I had this as a kid, it would have been awesome
[13:15] <snap-l> Love mythology.
[13:16] <snap-l> http://bestiary.ca/beasts/beast80.htm
[13:18] <tjagoda> .....
[13:18] <tjagoda> why.
[13:20] <snap-l> Consider that when I was 7-8, D&D was starting to hit the mainstream
[13:21] <snap-l> I had never been exposed to so many mythical, and (to an 8 year old) magnificent creatures as I had been in the Monster Manual of AD&D 1st edition
[13:21] <snap-l> Later finding out that these creatures were based on myth and folklore only added to my curiosity
[13:29] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/Metal/comments/gb92l/open_metalcast_instrumetalcast_2_40_minutes_of/ <- upvotes, if you please.
[13:29] <greg-g> hehe, great for scream haters :)
[13:29] <greg-g> that's me!
[13:29] <snap-l> greg-g: Definitely check this episode out
[13:30] <snap-l> Cloudkicker is amazing
[13:30] <snap-l> trying to get him (them?) on the show
[13:31] <snap-l> put another way, one of the higher-ups at Earache records had one of their songs posted in a blog post about Djent music.
[13:42] <snap-l> yay, new battery shipped for my UPS
[13:42] <snap-l> funny enough, didn't pay anything for shipping, but had to pay tax.
[13:45] <wolfger> OK, I upvoted for snap-l and will definitely check this episode (and instrumentalcast #1) out. Metal rocks. Screaming sucks.
[13:46] <snap-l> wolfger: Thanks. :)
[14:05] <jrwren> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/24/google_will_not_open_source_android_honeycomb_on_release_of_first_devices/
[14:08] <binbrain> hmmm
[14:09] <binbrain> hopefully this is just a temp thing to jump start the big shots that want 1st dibs at the market
[14:12] <jrwren> snap-l: D&D? Creatures?   NERD!!!
[14:12] <jrwren> :p
[14:12] <wolfger> jrwren--
[14:13] <jrwren> rofl
[14:35] <snap-l> jrwren: Right, and if you can tell me that the first place you saw a Medusa wasn't either D&D or Clash of the Titans, I'll be impressed.
[14:44] <Milyardo> Pretty sure first time I've heard of a Medusa was from Illiad, or the Odessy, whichever one it was in.
[14:45] <Milyardo> I think it was the Odessey
[14:49] <jrwren> medusa?
[14:50] <jrwren> it was probably some hanna barbara cartoon of the 70s or 80s
[14:50] <jrwren> they loved to have medusa or medusa like characters.
[14:54]  * greg-g nods
[14:59] <tjagoda> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2011/03/android-openness-withering-as-google-withhold-honeycomb-code.ars
[14:59] <tjagoda> whoops
[14:59] <tjagoda> somebody already posted
[15:02] <Milyardo> Google won't commit unfishined code to public repositories?
[15:02] <Milyardo> MY GOD
[15:02] <snap-l> Man, could there be more of a tempest in a teapot with this?
[15:03] <snap-l> will the code be released: likely
[15:03] <greg-g> it isn't "unfinished" though, it's just "not ready for all platforms" and the excuse of "you're going to use it wrong" is no excuse
[15:03] <snap-l> I'd worry more if Google suddenly said "we're never releasing this"
[15:03] <snap-l> patience
[15:03] <greg-g> BUT I WANT IT NOW! DADDY!
[15:03] <tjagoda> trolololol
[15:04] <snap-l> jesus, you'd think Google suddenly witheld the internet from people
[15:04]  * greg-g removes the Veruka(sp?) personality from his head
[15:08] <greg-g> snap-l: http://i.imgur.com/OGc20.jpg
[15:10] <_stink_> lawl
[15:11] <jrwren> veruka salt!
[15:12] <jrwren> greg-g: i LOLed
[15:15] <snap-l> greg-g: Totally
[15:16] <Milyardo> greg-g: "not ready for all platforms" sounds unfinished to me. Problem is there are public available products that use Honeycomb, that however doesn't mean it's to a point where Google would considered Finished. Not being supported on All platofrms is a big part of that.
[15:16] <snap-l> folks say you can't tell the differnce between regular and decaf, but I can
[15:16] <snap-l> it totally depends on how they process the beans
[15:16] <snap-l> fermaldahyde is not your friend.
[15:17] <snap-l> Also, Tomato is awesome. That is all
[15:17] <snap-l> just created two DHCP entries for two virtual machines with a few mouseclicks.
[15:18] <Milyardo> Tomato is awesome, not sure whats particularly awesome about static DHCP entires though
[15:18] <snap-l> Milyardo: so when I want to ssh into those vm boxes, I don't have to hunt. ;)
[15:19] <Milyardo> I wonder why you can't set up static DHCP through Avahi or Zerconf yet
[15:19] <Milyardo> That would be awesome
[15:20] <snap-l> That would be chaos. ;)
[15:21] <Milyardo> ubiqitous DDNS would be nice too
[15:22] <snap-l> can't dispute that. :)
[15:22] <snap-l> I should look into doing dynamic DNS via my own domain instead of relying on dyndns.org
[15:23] <snap-l> It's not like i don't have my own DNS that I pay for
[15:24] <Milyardo> THat sounds good to me, but I'm kinda attached to my Dyn-DNS name now
[15:27] <snap-l> I want to get away from DynDNS for some bonkers stuff they were doing
[15:27] <snap-l> and OpenDNS
[15:29] <Milyardo> I haven't heard of anything they've done recently
[15:29] <Milyardo> what have they been up to?
[15:30] <snap-l> dicking with nxdomain
[15:31] <snap-l> so you get landing pages instead of what you should be getting
[15:31] <Milyardo> zpowers@zpowers-devel:~/workspace/mumble/overlay$ host unkonwdmain.dyndns.org
[15:32] <Milyardo> Host unkonwdmain.dyndns.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
[15:32] <Milyardo> I got an NXDOMAIN
[15:35] <snap-l> http://fytojs.com/
[15:35] <snap-l> Milyardo: Are you using them for DNS service?
[15:37] <Milyardo> Locally no, just to resolve the address of my box from home, right now UM-Flint host my current resolver
[15:38] <Milyardo> zilog.ath.cx is the free domain I use from them now
[15:38] <Milyardo> mispelling zilog and trying to resolve zigol.ath.cx returns an NXDOMAIN though
[16:39] <DBO> snap-l, i got you some fresh fish
[16:39] <snap-l> ?
[16:40] <DBO> you'll see
[16:40] <DBO> you'll see in like 2 minutes when he gets here
[16:40] <DBO> THERE HE IS, THE MIGHT JOHN LEA
[16:40] <DBO> here to set up his interview
[16:41] <snap-l> Hi JohnLea!
[16:41] <DBO> snap-l, make sweet love to this manes schedule until you message yourself an interview with this man
[16:41] <DBO> manes/mans
[16:41] <JohnLea> hi
[16:42] <snap-l> I'm one half of the team that put together Lococast (http://lococast.net)
[16:42] <snap-l> The scheduling piece is rick_h_
[16:42] <snap-l> I just do snarky comments and engineering. :)
[16:42] <DBO> rick_h_? you here?
[16:42] <DBO> snap-l, we need rick to do scheduling?
[16:43] <rick_h_> do what?
[16:43] <rick_h_> schedule what?
[16:43] <snap-l> Well, his schedule is a little more tight than mine
[16:43] <snap-l> Interview with JohnLea
[16:43] <rick_h_> ah, ok sorry
[16:43] <rick_h_> busy today, JohnLea == ?
[16:44] <snap-l> Unity Design, iirc?
[16:44] <DBO> lead designer of u-nighty
[16:44] <rick_h_> ah, awesome
[16:44] <snap-l> U-nightie. ;)
[16:45] <snap-l> Ubuntu-branded sleepwear for women
[16:45] <DBO> JohnLea, speak up man :) I know you're here
[16:45] <DBO> snap-l, nah, thats just what the DX team thinks the official name is :P
[16:45] <rick_h_> I think John is who evan told me to get a hold of
[16:46] <JohnLea> I'm back - yes, when would be a good time to talk?  I'm really busy today and Mon, but could do anytime between Tue to Fri next week?
[16:46] <rick_h_> but jcastro was protecting him so he could work more
[16:46] <JohnLea> but not doing a good enough job of protecting me ;-)
[16:46] <snap-l> Tue I have MUG board meeting
[16:46] <rick_h_> sure, can do next thurs
[16:47] <snap-l> Thursday works for me
[16:47] <rick_h_> after 8pm?
[16:47] <snap-l> (ET)
[16:47] <JohnLea> which time zone
[16:47] <rick_h_> ohyea
[16:47] <DBO> hes in england rick_h_
[16:47] <rick_h_> gotcha
[16:47] <snap-l> oy
[16:47] <rick_h_> so that's what, +3 or 4 these days?
[16:48] <wolfger> He's responsible for Unity? Get the lynch mob together. ;-)
[16:48] <rick_h_> we can bump it back a bit if that's late
[16:48] <wolfger> +4
[16:48] <snap-l> 6pm ET would be 10pm UTC
[16:48] <JohnLea> wolfger; yes you can blame me ;-)
[16:48] <DBO> i know I do
[16:49] <snap-l> rick_h_: Would 6pm work for you?
[16:49] <JohnLea> earlier is a bit better if possible??  but if not I can do 10
[16:49] <rick_h_> yea, I can make it
[16:49] <rick_h_> I can do whenever
[16:49] <snap-l> JohnLea: 6pm is right around when I get off of work. ;)
[16:51] <JohnLea> snap-l; it's also right around when I get off work ;-)
[16:51] <snap-l> heh
[16:52] <snap-l> so, 10pm local for you works?
[16:52] <snap-l> (JohnLea?)
[16:52] <JohnLea> ok, so 10pm UTC  Thursday
[16:52] <snap-l> rick_h_: good?
[16:52] <JohnLea> IRC or mumble (I prefer voice chat)
[16:52] <rick_h_> yea, sounds good
[16:53] <snap-l> JohnLea: Skype preferred
[16:53] <JohnLea> popping away from my computer, will be back in 5
[16:53] <rick_h_> ok
[16:53] <JohnLea> Skype is good for me
[16:53] <rick_h_> pm'd you for contact info
[16:53] <JohnLea> thx
[16:53] <rick_h_> whever you get a sec
[16:53] <snap-l> Thank you, JohnLea !
[16:55] <brousch> snap-l: i think i'm going to dig into the latest omc this afternoon
[16:57] <snap-l> brousch: Cool. I hope you enjoy it
[17:03] <nixternal> you all tired of this cold shit yet?
[17:03] <snap-l> yes
[17:03] <nixternal> did you guys have spring this past week as well, only to end up back in winter the past couple of days?
[17:03] <snap-l> nixternal: You coming up to Penguicon this year?
[17:04] <nixternal> within the past week we went from 70s and insanely spring like to a freakin' snow storm yesterday, and today is even colder
[17:04] <snap-l> nixternal: Yeah, we went from having the windows open, to wanting to put in storm windows.
[17:04] <nixternal> snap-l: doubt it, but you never know
[17:05] <snap-l> nixternal: I still tell the story about how you put on the FSCK ribbon, and couldn't contain all of the attention.;)
[17:06] <nixternal> yeah, i sure learned not to pick up random ribbons and just put them on
[17:12] <snap-l> http://imgur.com/i79ih
[17:13] <_stink_> wonder if i'll get fired for viewing that
[17:13] <_stink_> :P
[17:15] <snap-l> I'm sure that man's junk was a danger to national security
[17:15] <snap-l> On an unrelated note, I wonder if Ron Jeremy can still fly?
[17:57] <jrwren> he could fly?
[17:58] <jrwren> i'm so tempted to paste that into a campfire chat
[18:21] <greg-g> man, I need to listen to this show with my real headphones at home, snap-l, this is good stuff (still on song 1)
[18:31] <snap-l> greg-g: Glad you are enjoying it. :)
[18:32] <wolfger> Now who was it spreading Android-violating-GPL FUD last week?
[18:32] <wolfger> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/android-linux-fud-debunked/8549?tag=nl.e540
[18:33] <snap-l> I can't stand zdnet
[18:33] <wolfger> Yeah, I know, but this is a good, brief, to the point article
[19:15] <Milyardo> I should write a script what take output from /dev/urandom, run it through spellcheck, randomly replace words with the tech buzzword of the week, and make ass tons of ad revanue posting it to tech journalist sites. Think it'll work?
[19:18] <snap-l> Milyardo: could do the same with the words for dict
[19:18] <snap-l> just pull them out at random, throw them through a grammar check
[19:20] <Milyardo> dict would be more cpu efficient indeed
[19:21] <Blazeix> just feed techcrunch and zdnet through a markov generator
[19:21] <greg-g> hah
[19:21] <greg-g> how do you know that's not what they've been doing the last 2 years?
[19:22] <Milyardo> Well my original idea was to mash my face againt the keybaord, I think thats how real braindead tech journalist do it.
[19:23] <snap-l> I think they write one good piece, then they keep cutting it up ala William S. Burroughs
[19:23] <snap-l> and resubmitting the same words in different order, adding new buzzwords as they go along
[19:24] <snap-l> so something like "The Honeywell computer is a revolutionary design" becomes "design revolutionary cloud computer is a"
[19:24] <Milyardo> Just tried mashing "Udfnjkalk;sf" into Openoffice and spellcheck offered Evangelical as a corection, I think I jsut found my buzzword for the week
[19:24] <greg-g> "ok guys, this week the buzzwords will be 'cloud,' 'WINNING,' and 'oh my god I hate my life.'"
[19:25] <snap-l> "design revolutionary cloud computer is the WINNING"
[19:26] <Milyardo> BI-WINNING?
[19:26] <snap-l> Now, add a random David Hasselhoff appearancee, and it's Family Guy.
[19:26] <greg-g> lol
[19:27] <snap-l> add an anecdote about how you were one of the three journalists in the room when they unveiled core memory for the first time, and you're Jerry Pournelle. :)
[19:27] <snap-l> (and yes, I totally respect Jerry Pournelle)
[19:28] <snap-l> "design revolutionary cloud computer is an affront to computing freedom" - Now it's Boycott Novell
[19:29] <snap-l> I think we're on to something here
[19:31] <_stink_> Milyardo: gahaha re spellcheck
[19:35] <snap-l> We should totally create tech journalist filters, like jive / chef
[20:58] <snap-l> greg-g: What's this about arduino stuff this weekend?
[20:59] <greg-g> snap-l: a very basic intro to arduino at the hacker space in A2, All Hands Active
[20:59] <greg-g> there will be coffee and such though :)
[20:59] <jrwren> David Barrett is dumb as shit and I sure as hell don't want to work with him at expensify. That said, I think I understand what he was trying to say
[21:00] <lotia> greg-g: thanks much for that catch.
[21:00] <jrwren> http://blog.expensify.com/2011/03/25/ceo-friday-why-we-dont-hire-net-programmers/
[21:00] <snap-l> greg-g: Looks interesting
[21:01] <greg-g> lotia: oh, no worries
[21:02] <greg-g> lotia: should we /join #OERbit ;) (probably not, really)
[21:02] <lotia> since #oer has sooo much traffic.
[21:02] <greg-g> haha
[21:02] <lotia> must differentiate between the two.
[21:03] <greg-g> snap-l: yeah, not sure what will happen, but could be fun. it'll be my first time doing any arduino
[21:04] <greg-g> lotia: but, to be honest, I just wanted to get my name in the commit history :) (and, holy 43 meg git repo batman!)
[21:06] <lotia> is it just 43 meg.
[21:07] <lotia> it was 181 on my local machine since i cloned our local dev repo.
[21:07] <lotia> so you got the LITE version
[21:09] <snap-l> jrwren: This sentence alone discounts this entire blog post about not hiring .Net developers: Now let me clarify . .NET is a dandy language.
[21:09] <greg-g> hah, "thanks"
[21:10] <lotia> snap-l: i was just about to ask if that was a bit of a misstatement
[21:11] <snap-l> That's like saying te JVM is a dandy language.
[21:12] <lotia> yeah isn't it describing largely the CLR and a set of specs rather than a language?
[21:12] <snap-l> "Instead, we look for a very different sort of person.  The sort of person who grew up cooking squirrels over a campfire with sharpened sticks . squirrels they caught and skinned while scavenging in the deep forests for survival.  We don.t want a short order chef, we want a Lord of the Flies, carried by wolves into civilization and raised in a French kitchen full of copper-bottomed pots and fresh-picked herbs.  We need people who can not on
[21:12] <snap-l> so essentially they want rednecks
[21:13] <lotia> rather rednecks who hang out with Thomas Keller
[21:15] <lotia> greg-g: yeah it's a bit... big boned?
[21:15] <snap-l> So, essentially you want redneck coders that will kill it and grill it. Yeah, good luck building anything useful.
[21:15] <snap-l> Also, .NET is a platform, not a language, but I guess those squirrel-cookers you have might see it otherwise.
[21:15] <snap-l> (That's what I posted on their site)
[21:16] <lotia> snap-l: you're off their christmas card list
[21:19] <jrwren> snap-l: agreed.
[21:22] <snap-l> lotia: I'm oover it
[21:23] <snap-l> Honestly, if someone won't hire an otherwise qualified developer because they have a particular technology on their resume, I don't want to work there
[21:24] <snap-l> Not everyone gets to work in their ideal utopian development environment
[21:24] <snap-l> I'm more interested in the person that can make something awesome out of VB than I am with someone that makes shit with Haskell
[21:25] <snap-l> poor craftsmen blame the tools
[21:26] <lotia> good point. but IMHO one can never underestimate the value of good tech enabling nice creative code.
[21:28] <lotia> agreed that as long as a language is turing complete you can do anything that any other language can do. but i have way more fun wirting ruby/python/clojure/scheme than php.
[21:28] <lotia> writing even more than wirting
[21:28] <snap-l> Oh no doubt
[21:29] <snap-l> and this gets into the part-time developer rant that rick_h_ has as well
[21:29] <lotia> and i think if an environment reduces drudgery it frees me up to be both more meticulous and gives me more motivation to burnish stuff.
[21:30] <lotia> but i fully agree that great programmers can come from any background.
[21:33] <lotia> thanks for the link to an entertaining post snap-l i'm off to dinner.
[21:37] <snap-l> laterness, lotia-away
[21:37] <snap-l> and than jrwren for the link. :)
[21:40] <lotia-away> oh sorry thanks jrwren for the link
[21:40]  * lotia-away fails at attribution. sorry greg-g 
[21:42] <snap-l> heh
[21:50] <greg-g> ;)