[00:23] hmm, where's tjagoda when you need him to help keep the flames stoked a bit [00:28] DBO: ping [00:32] DBO: ping [00:39] woops [00:39] hey [00:39] jassmith87 [00:40] k, added [00:40] will call up in a sec [01:34] so it went well? [01:34] rick_h_: did DBO profess his love for tiling window managers? [01:36] jcastro: no, but his love os extra pixels [01:36] so I agreed with him [01:36] extra pixels FTW [01:37] dude you gotta give it props [01:37] gnome-do-ish things by default [01:37] keyboard shortcut's all planned out to a tee [01:37] maximum terminal space when you maximize [01:38] i love the gnome-do-ish feature [01:38] http://uploads.mitechie.com/awesome.png && http://uploads.mitechie.com/awesome2.png && http://uploads.mitechie.com/awesome3.png [01:38] that's what I want :P [01:38] 4 finger tap, type, enter [01:38] but you need two hands to type on a keyboard [01:38] how do you four finger tap from home row? :P [01:40] very cool conversation though, and learned some stuff I definitely didn't know [01:40] so can't wait to get this out start of next week for sure [01:40] rick_h_, unity supports some limited tiling [01:40] ty DBO and quick phone dialer jcastro [01:40] similar to Aero Snap (for a blasphemous windows comparison) [01:41] DBO: yea, but I'm not into that. I do all my resizing/etc via keyboard. The first link is my fav dev environment when docked [01:41] where I have the double terms below the full width vim instance [01:41] but I'll play with it when it comes out for sure. [01:41] yeah :) [01:41] its not for everyone [01:41] yet... [01:41] I'll get you sooner or later [01:42] well, I'm extreme edge case. It's not me I'm worried about. It's the snap-l, wolgers (well he's an old kde junkie though), etc [01:42] jcastro, I land the love handles, and what does OMG ubuntu blog: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/new-look-ubuntu-mug-goes-on-sale/ [01:42] lol [01:43] woooo! new coffee! [01:43] but I think the thing to remember is that this is really stage 1 of a few stages (don't want to count maverick/unity/netbook) [01:44] though that doesn't help when you install and it's what you see/get. "6mo it'll have more xx/yy for you", but the cost of 6mo release cycles [01:44] YEAH! [01:48] uhhhh, I got an in-person interview [01:48] yay? [01:48] yay indeed [01:48] yay!!!! [01:48] <_stink_> greg-g: YAY [01:48] just gotta figure out how to get there and back during a pretty busy time for me [01:48] dude, beers [01:48] greg-g, for a job? [01:48] <_stink_> greg-g: don't you ride a bike everywhere? [01:48] yeah, with Wikimedia Foundation [01:49] _stink_: it'll take a little longer than I can afford to get to SF and back :P [01:49] greg-g, KUDOS! [01:49] wahoo [01:49] thanks DBO [01:49] thanks all! :) [01:50] so uh, guys, I might have to bail on the UGJ :/ [01:50] not sure yet, still trying to figure out when I'm going, but it is a possibility, unfortunately [01:50] UGJ? [01:51] ubuntu global jam [01:51] get on th emailing list! :) [01:51] the who to the what now? [01:51] heh [01:52] greg-g: I'll get you a hall pass [01:52] now greg-g , this position is telecommute right ;) [01:52] I wouldn't want to have to root against you or anything secretly [01:52] uhhhhhhhhhhhhh [01:52] * greg-g whistles [01:53] brousch: get ready then, greg-g has some grooming to do [01:53] :) [01:53] seriously though, good stuff, can't cross my fingers enough for you [01:54] thanks so much, man [01:54] greg-g, was your previous job telecommuniting [01:54] greg-g: we still good for the interview date you think? [01:54] or should we look at moving that? [01:54] DBO: no, just in Ann Arbor, for the University [01:54] it's the week after GJ [01:54] ah good, then I dont have to remind you to wear pants [01:55] hah [01:56] rick_h_: nah, I need to be back on Friday for an event anyways, and I can't really do a wed/thurs thing out there, so the interview time is fine [01:56] greg-g: ok cool, just wanted to dbl check [01:56] alright, I'm out all, have fun [01:56] yeah, thanks though [01:56] later! [02:00] greg-g: congrats! it sounds like they were into you [02:02] brousch: I hope so :) [02:03] so you have to fly out to san francisco during the GBJ? [02:06] ok, well i fell asleep on the couch at 8:30, so i'm gonna finish that sleeping thing now [02:06] rick_h_, how would you like charline to get in contact with you? [02:08] snap-l, ^^ [02:21] OK, off to watch DBO [02:21] Dr Who, rather. :) [02:21] cheers [02:21] DBO: Contact us at feedback@lococast.net [02:21] too late [02:21] or rick_h_ will mention a more preferred method [02:21] already gave her ricks email [02:22] :) [11:43] yay for blocked internet access [11:49] been surfing too much tiling porn? [11:49] at a dealership and their wifi blocks gmail/amazon [11:51] if you'd implemented the wifi proxy you could be surfing through your home internet right now [11:52] yea, actually I'd just tether the phone [11:53] but found gmail and amazon blocks funny [11:53] twitter open [11:54] though they are blocking twitter's cdn [11:54] so no avatars, css when I pull up the site [12:18] the move to samba3 is going well [12:18] i may get to retire this dapper server soon [12:18] rick_h_: Seriously? Blocking a CDN? [12:19] Maybe they just block 443 access. ;) [12:19] snap-l: yea, Reason for restriction: Forbidden Category "Chat/Instant Messaging (IM)" [12:19] when I hit http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/572829723/original_normal.jpg [12:20] however twitter.com loads [12:20] I would think that IM would be the last thing that a dealership would block [12:20] Unless they have you on the same wifi as the employees [12:20] IN which case, that's just dumb on several counts. :) [12:20] I'd see blocking twitter, but hitting the cdn vs the main url seems strange to me [12:21] nmap it all [12:21] heh [12:21] h4x0r them [12:21] it's more just a curoisity [12:21] lol [12:21] must be a sonicwall bug out there, take over the router [12:21] I'd bet it's not been updated [12:22] brb, reboooooot. [12:23] ug, i may be working with visual studio next month. have to pull some crap out of autodesk inventor with its .net api [12:23] ouch [12:24] * rick_h_ sends beverage assistance [12:24] very ouch since my windows machine is 5 years old and has 1.5GB of ram [12:24] that's not much room to run inventor and VS [12:25] i saw a couple of examples using ironpython, so i might have slightly less pain [12:27] crap, save me, sitting in a waiting room, with fox news on, and a bunch of guys sitting around discussing how hot/not the picture of the lady in this story is [12:27] ooh, now we're on to egyption leaders dumping their swiss accounts and starting a 7-11 with the 'billions' they probably have [12:28] engage them in intelligent discussion. it is your duty. [12:29] * rick_h_ sits mute typing on work code [12:36] man, someone cut my ears off, this is painful [12:54] rick_h_: Whatever you do, don't look into their eyes [12:54] or they'll suddenly become very real, and get inside your brain [12:54] before you know it, you'll be taking Rush Limbaugh seriously [12:54] you will be safe if you mumble, "goddam obama" [12:54] also, is identi.ca blocked? [12:55] "where's the God damn birth-certificate"? [12:55] "Fuck healthcare, just as long as my medicare check still cashes" [13:04] http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2011/03/android-apps-on-playbook-tablet-could-be-a-mixed-bag-for-platform.ars [13:06] http://openmetalcast.com/2011/03/25/open-metalcast-instrumetalcast-2-groovy-djent/ [13:11] http://www.bgr.com/2011/03/24/rim-reports-q4-earnings-revenue-misses-estimates-despite-record-shipments === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [13:15] http://bestiary.ca/ <- Had I had this as a kid, it would have been awesome [13:15] Love mythology. [13:16] http://bestiary.ca/beasts/beast80.htm [13:18] ..... [13:18] why. [13:20] Consider that when I was 7-8, D&D was starting to hit the mainstream [13:21] I had never been exposed to so many mythical, and (to an 8 year old) magnificent creatures as I had been in the Monster Manual of AD&D 1st edition [13:21] Later finding out that these creatures were based on myth and folklore only added to my curiosity [13:29] http://www.reddit.com/r/Metal/comments/gb92l/open_metalcast_instrumetalcast_2_40_minutes_of/ <- upvotes, if you please. [13:29] hehe, great for scream haters :) [13:29] that's me! [13:29] greg-g: Definitely check this episode out [13:30] Cloudkicker is amazing [13:30] trying to get him (them?) on the show [13:31] put another way, one of the higher-ups at Earache records had one of their songs posted in a blog post about Djent music. [13:42] yay, new battery shipped for my UPS [13:42] funny enough, didn't pay anything for shipping, but had to pay tax. [13:45] OK, I upvoted for snap-l and will definitely check this episode (and instrumentalcast #1) out. Metal rocks. Screaming sucks. [13:46] wolfger: Thanks. :) [14:05] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/24/google_will_not_open_source_android_honeycomb_on_release_of_first_devices/ [14:08] hmmm [14:09] hopefully this is just a temp thing to jump start the big shots that want 1st dibs at the market [14:12] snap-l: D&D? Creatures? NERD!!! [14:12] :p [14:12] jrwren-- [14:13] rofl [14:35] jrwren: Right, and if you can tell me that the first place you saw a Medusa wasn't either D&D or Clash of the Titans, I'll be impressed. [14:44] Pretty sure first time I've heard of a Medusa was from Illiad, or the Odessy, whichever one it was in. [14:45] I think it was the Odessey [14:49] medusa? [14:50] it was probably some hanna barbara cartoon of the 70s or 80s [14:50] they loved to have medusa or medusa like characters. [14:54] * greg-g nods [14:59] http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2011/03/android-openness-withering-as-google-withhold-honeycomb-code.ars [14:59] whoops [14:59] somebody already posted [15:02] Google won't commit unfishined code to public repositories? [15:02] MY GOD [15:02] Man, could there be more of a tempest in a teapot with this? [15:03] will the code be released: likely [15:03] it isn't "unfinished" though, it's just "not ready for all platforms" and the excuse of "you're going to use it wrong" is no excuse [15:03] I'd worry more if Google suddenly said "we're never releasing this" [15:03] patience [15:03] BUT I WANT IT NOW! DADDY! [15:03] trolololol [15:04] jesus, you'd think Google suddenly witheld the internet from people [15:04] * greg-g removes the Veruka(sp?) personality from his head [15:08] snap-l: http://i.imgur.com/OGc20.jpg [15:10] <_stink_> lawl [15:11] veruka salt! [15:12] greg-g: i LOLed [15:15] greg-g: Totally [15:16] greg-g: "not ready for all platforms" sounds unfinished to me. Problem is there are public available products that use Honeycomb, that however doesn't mean it's to a point where Google would considered Finished. Not being supported on All platofrms is a big part of that. [15:16] folks say you can't tell the differnce between regular and decaf, but I can [15:16] it totally depends on how they process the beans [15:16] fermaldahyde is not your friend. [15:17] Also, Tomato is awesome. That is all [15:17] just created two DHCP entries for two virtual machines with a few mouseclicks. [15:18] Tomato is awesome, not sure whats particularly awesome about static DHCP entires though [15:18] Milyardo: so when I want to ssh into those vm boxes, I don't have to hunt. ;) [15:19] I wonder why you can't set up static DHCP through Avahi or Zerconf yet [15:19] That would be awesome [15:20] That would be chaos. ;) [15:21] ubiqitous DDNS would be nice too [15:22] can't dispute that. :) [15:22] I should look into doing dynamic DNS via my own domain instead of relying on dyndns.org [15:23] It's not like i don't have my own DNS that I pay for [15:24] THat sounds good to me, but I'm kinda attached to my Dyn-DNS name now [15:27] I want to get away from DynDNS for some bonkers stuff they were doing [15:27] and OpenDNS [15:29] I haven't heard of anything they've done recently [15:29] what have they been up to? [15:30] dicking with nxdomain [15:31] so you get landing pages instead of what you should be getting [15:31] zpowers@zpowers-devel:~/workspace/mumble/overlay$ host unkonwdmain.dyndns.org [15:32] Host unkonwdmain.dyndns.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) [15:32] I got an NXDOMAIN [15:35] http://fytojs.com/ [15:35] Milyardo: Are you using them for DNS service? [15:37] Locally no, just to resolve the address of my box from home, right now UM-Flint host my current resolver [15:38] zilog.ath.cx is the free domain I use from them now [15:38] mispelling zilog and trying to resolve zigol.ath.cx returns an NXDOMAIN though [16:39] snap-l, i got you some fresh fish [16:39] ? [16:40] you'll see [16:40] you'll see in like 2 minutes when he gets here [16:40] THERE HE IS, THE MIGHT JOHN LEA [16:40] here to set up his interview [16:41] Hi JohnLea! [16:41] snap-l, make sweet love to this manes schedule until you message yourself an interview with this man [16:41] manes/mans [16:41] hi [16:42] I'm one half of the team that put together Lococast (http://lococast.net) [16:42] The scheduling piece is rick_h_ [16:42] I just do snarky comments and engineering. :) [16:42] rick_h_? you here? [16:42] snap-l, we need rick to do scheduling? [16:43] do what? [16:43] schedule what? [16:43] Well, his schedule is a little more tight than mine [16:43] Interview with JohnLea [16:43] ah, ok sorry [16:43] busy today, JohnLea == ? [16:44] Unity Design, iirc? [16:44] lead designer of u-nighty [16:44] ah, awesome [16:44] U-nightie. ;) [16:45] Ubuntu-branded sleepwear for women [16:45] JohnLea, speak up man :) I know you're here [16:45] snap-l, nah, thats just what the DX team thinks the official name is :P [16:45] I think John is who evan told me to get a hold of [16:46] I'm back - yes, when would be a good time to talk? I'm really busy today and Mon, but could do anytime between Tue to Fri next week? [16:46] but jcastro was protecting him so he could work more [16:46] but not doing a good enough job of protecting me ;-) [16:46] Tue I have MUG board meeting [16:46] sure, can do next thurs [16:47] Thursday works for me [16:47] after 8pm? [16:47] (ET) [16:47] which time zone [16:47] ohyea [16:47] hes in england rick_h_ [16:47] gotcha [16:47] oy [16:47] so that's what, +3 or 4 these days? [16:48] He's responsible for Unity? Get the lynch mob together. ;-) [16:48] we can bump it back a bit if that's late [16:48] +4 [16:48] 6pm ET would be 10pm UTC [16:48] wolfger; yes you can blame me ;-) [16:48] i know I do [16:49] rick_h_: Would 6pm work for you? [16:49] earlier is a bit better if possible?? but if not I can do 10 [16:49] yea, I can make it [16:49] I can do whenever [16:49] JohnLea: 6pm is right around when I get off of work. ;) [16:51] snap-l; it's also right around when I get off work ;-) [16:51] heh [16:52] so, 10pm local for you works? [16:52] (JohnLea?) [16:52] ok, so 10pm UTC Thursday [16:52] rick_h_: good? [16:52] IRC or mumble (I prefer voice chat) [16:52] yea, sounds good [16:53] JohnLea: Skype preferred [16:53] popping away from my computer, will be back in 5 [16:53] ok [16:53] Skype is good for me [16:53] pm'd you for contact info [16:53] thx [16:53] whever you get a sec [16:53] Thank you, JohnLea ! [16:55] snap-l: i think i'm going to dig into the latest omc this afternoon [16:57] brousch: Cool. I hope you enjoy it [17:03] you all tired of this cold shit yet? [17:03] yes [17:03] did you guys have spring this past week as well, only to end up back in winter the past couple of days? [17:03] nixternal: You coming up to Penguicon this year? [17:04] within the past week we went from 70s and insanely spring like to a freakin' snow storm yesterday, and today is even colder [17:04] nixternal: Yeah, we went from having the windows open, to wanting to put in storm windows. [17:04] snap-l: doubt it, but you never know [17:05] nixternal: I still tell the story about how you put on the FSCK ribbon, and couldn't contain all of the attention.;) [17:06] yeah, i sure learned not to pick up random ribbons and just put them on [17:12] http://imgur.com/i79ih [17:13] <_stink_> wonder if i'll get fired for viewing that [17:13] <_stink_> :P [17:15] I'm sure that man's junk was a danger to national security [17:15] On an unrelated note, I wonder if Ron Jeremy can still fly? [17:57] he could fly? [17:58] i'm so tempted to paste that into a campfire chat [18:21] man, I need to listen to this show with my real headphones at home, snap-l, this is good stuff (still on song 1) [18:31] greg-g: Glad you are enjoying it. :) [18:32] Now who was it spreading Android-violating-GPL FUD last week? [18:32] http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/android-linux-fud-debunked/8549?tag=nl.e540 [18:33] I can't stand zdnet [18:33] Yeah, I know, but this is a good, brief, to the point article [19:15] I should write a script what take output from /dev/urandom, run it through spellcheck, randomly replace words with the tech buzzword of the week, and make ass tons of ad revanue posting it to tech journalist sites. Think it'll work? [19:18] Milyardo: could do the same with the words for dict [19:18] just pull them out at random, throw them through a grammar check [19:20] dict would be more cpu efficient indeed [19:21] just feed techcrunch and zdnet through a markov generator [19:21] hah [19:21] how do you know that's not what they've been doing the last 2 years? [19:22] Well my original idea was to mash my face againt the keybaord, I think thats how real braindead tech journalist do it. [19:23] I think they write one good piece, then they keep cutting it up ala William S. Burroughs [19:23] and resubmitting the same words in different order, adding new buzzwords as they go along [19:24] so something like "The Honeywell computer is a revolutionary design" becomes "design revolutionary cloud computer is a" [19:24] Just tried mashing "Udfnjkalk;sf" into Openoffice and spellcheck offered Evangelical as a corection, I think I jsut found my buzzword for the week [19:24] "ok guys, this week the buzzwords will be 'cloud,' 'WINNING,' and 'oh my god I hate my life.'" [19:25] "design revolutionary cloud computer is the WINNING" [19:26] BI-WINNING? [19:26] Now, add a random David Hasselhoff appearancee, and it's Family Guy. [19:26] lol [19:27] add an anecdote about how you were one of the three journalists in the room when they unveiled core memory for the first time, and you're Jerry Pournelle. :) [19:27] (and yes, I totally respect Jerry Pournelle) [19:28] "design revolutionary cloud computer is an affront to computing freedom" - Now it's Boycott Novell [19:29] I think we're on to something here [19:31] <_stink_> Milyardo: gahaha re spellcheck [19:35] We should totally create tech journalist filters, like jive / chef [20:58] greg-g: What's this about arduino stuff this weekend? [20:59] snap-l: a very basic intro to arduino at the hacker space in A2, All Hands Active [20:59] there will be coffee and such though :) [20:59] David Barrett is dumb as shit and I sure as hell don't want to work with him at expensify. That said, I think I understand what he was trying to say [21:00] greg-g: thanks much for that catch. [21:00] http://blog.expensify.com/2011/03/25/ceo-friday-why-we-dont-hire-net-programmers/ [21:00] greg-g: Looks interesting [21:01] lotia: oh, no worries [21:02] lotia: should we /join #OERbit ;) (probably not, really) [21:02] since #oer has sooo much traffic. [21:02] haha [21:02] must differentiate between the two. [21:03] snap-l: yeah, not sure what will happen, but could be fun. it'll be my first time doing any arduino [21:04] lotia: but, to be honest, I just wanted to get my name in the commit history :) (and, holy 43 meg git repo batman!) [21:06] is it just 43 meg. [21:07] it was 181 on my local machine since i cloned our local dev repo. [21:07] so you got the LITE version [21:09] jrwren: This sentence alone discounts this entire blog post about not hiring .Net developers: Now let me clarify . .NET is a dandy language. [21:09] hah, "thanks" [21:10] snap-l: i was just about to ask if that was a bit of a misstatement [21:11] That's like saying te JVM is a dandy language. [21:12] yeah isn't it describing largely the CLR and a set of specs rather than a language? [21:12] "Instead, we look for a very different sort of person. The sort of person who grew up cooking squirrels over a campfire with sharpened sticks . squirrels they caught and skinned while scavenging in the deep forests for survival. We don.t want a short order chef, we want a Lord of the Flies, carried by wolves into civilization and raised in a French kitchen full of copper-bottomed pots and fresh-picked herbs. We need people who can not on [21:12] so essentially they want rednecks [21:13] rather rednecks who hang out with Thomas Keller [21:15] greg-g: yeah it's a bit... big boned? [21:15] So, essentially you want redneck coders that will kill it and grill it. Yeah, good luck building anything useful. [21:15] Also, .NET is a platform, not a language, but I guess those squirrel-cookers you have might see it otherwise. [21:15] (That's what I posted on their site) [21:16] snap-l: you're off their christmas card list [21:19] snap-l: agreed. [21:22] lotia: I'm oover it [21:23] Honestly, if someone won't hire an otherwise qualified developer because they have a particular technology on their resume, I don't want to work there [21:24] Not everyone gets to work in their ideal utopian development environment [21:24] I'm more interested in the person that can make something awesome out of VB than I am with someone that makes shit with Haskell [21:25] poor craftsmen blame the tools [21:26] good point. but IMHO one can never underestimate the value of good tech enabling nice creative code. [21:28] agreed that as long as a language is turing complete you can do anything that any other language can do. but i have way more fun wirting ruby/python/clojure/scheme than php. [21:28] writing even more than wirting [21:28] Oh no doubt [21:29] and this gets into the part-time developer rant that rick_h_ has as well [21:29] and i think if an environment reduces drudgery it frees me up to be both more meticulous and gives me more motivation to burnish stuff. [21:30] but i fully agree that great programmers can come from any background. [21:33] thanks for the link to an entertaining post snap-l i'm off to dinner. === lotia is now known as lotia-away [21:37] laterness, lotia-away [21:37] and than jrwren for the link. :) [21:40] oh sorry thanks jrwren for the link [21:40] * lotia-away fails at attribution. sorry greg-g [21:42] heh [21:50] ;)