[00:00] <lrussell> hi
[00:01] <lrussell> I just installed BitTorrent 5.2.2. It said it installed, but it isnt showing up in the apps list. Anything wrong?
[00:06] <bazhang> !find bitttorrent
[00:07] <bazhang> whoops
[00:07] <lrussell> I'm back. anyone see my question from a min. ago?
[00:07] <bazhang> !find bittorrent
[00:07] <lrussell> I left...
[00:07] <bazhang> !info bittorrent
[00:07] <lrussell> is what I downloaded a virus or something?
[00:07] <bazhang> 5.2.2? that seems wildly different from the ubuntu version
[00:08] <bazhang> you probably got the number wrong
[00:08] <lrussell> nope.
[00:08] <lrussell> http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Communications/Filesharing/BitTorrent-49.shtml
[00:08] <bazhang> better to use the other torrent clients
[00:08] <bazhang> and never install 3rd party stuff, use repos
[00:09] <lrussell> grr
[00:09] <bazhang> !torrent
[00:09] <lrussell> the comments were good
[00:10] <lrussell> so the one i downloaded is a virus?
[00:10] <bazhang> zero reason to use 3rd party stuff when the torrent clients in ubuntu are so good
[00:10] <bazhang> whats the default for xubuntu? transmission?
[00:10] <lrussell> yes, and i didnt like it
[00:11] <lrussell> so i switched to the one i have on windows
[00:11] <bazhang> breaking package management is not the way to go
[00:11] <lrussell> and the linux version of it isnt working
[00:12] <bazhang> more 3rd party stuff?
[00:12] <lrussell> how do i get rid of it when it when it isnt even listed?
[00:12] <bazhang> how was it installed
[00:12] <lrussell> through a .deb
[00:13] <bazhang> dpkg -r file.deb
[00:13] <lrussell> ...
[00:13] <lrussell> ok
[00:13] <bazhang> problem?
[00:13] <lrussell> where does it have to be kocated, the deb
[00:14] <bazhang> you can hardly expect 3rd stuff to be supported, stuff that breaks package management
[00:15] <lrussell> i enter in the code in terminal and it says i need super user
[00:16] <lrussell> but im on the main root acount
[00:16] <Unit193> sudo !!
[00:17] <bazhang> root account?
[00:17] <bazhang> thats disabled by default
[00:17] <lrussell> :/
[00:17] <knome> lrussell, you probably mean the main account, or have you enabled root yourself?
[00:18] <lrussell> no
[00:18] <lrussell> how do i uninstall it...? im stuck
[00:19] <bazhang> I told you
[00:20] <lrussell> it work work even with sudo
[00:20] <lrussell> it does take my pass.
[00:20] <lrussell> file name of package i installed: bittorrent_5.2.2_python2.4.deb
[00:21] <bazhang> so sudo dkpg -r nameofdeb.deb
[00:21] <lrussell> what folder do i put the deb in?
[00:23] <lrussell> ???
[00:28] <lrussell> i keep getting an error
[00:28] <knome> lrussell, do you *need* to have bittorrent, or is any other torrent client okay as well?
[00:29] <lrussell> i wanted bittorrent
[00:30] <knome> lrussell, for any specific reason?
[00:30] <lrussell> its layout
[00:33] <lrussell> i just wanna get rid of it... it wont even show up in the app list
[00:34] <lrussell> :(
[00:35] <lrussell> error: bit.ly/h3OUg6
[00:36] <lrussell> i wish i would have known this before
[00:38] <knome> 'sudo dpkg -r bittorrent' ?
[00:38] <lrussell> yes>
[00:38] <lrussell> trying to get rid of it
[00:39] <knome> did you try that command? (without bittorrent-*)
[00:39] <bazhang> install bittorrent from the repos if you *must* have it
[00:40] <knome> bazhang, afaik the version in the repository is quite old
[00:40] <bazhang> the difficulty you are now experiencing is one reason to never use 3rd party stuff
[00:40] <bazhang> knome, never heard of anyone who prefers it to the ones included with ubuntu
[00:40] <knome> ...unless you know what you are doing :)
[00:40] <bazhang> yep
[00:41] <knome> me neither, but then again, i don't use torrents much
[00:41] <bazhang> I have *one* PPA and thats it.
[00:41] <lrussell> it isnt showing in my app list. but opening the .deb says it is installed
[00:41] <bazhang> probably remove that as ogmrip does what handbrake does and more
[00:42] <lrussell> ???
[00:42] <lrussell> brb 10 min
[00:42] <bazhang> lrussell, leaving it wont harm your system
[00:42] <bazhang> ugh
[00:44] <knome> if one installs a package via dpkg, shouldn't it show in synaptic as well?
[00:49] <lrussell> back
[00:49] <lrussell> how do i get rid of it... :/ command line isn't working
[00:51] <lrussell> anyone still gere i was talking to a min ago?
[00:51] <bazhang> yep
[00:51] <lrussell> does lubuntu have the same wifi support as xubuntu?
[00:52] <bazhang> should do
[00:52] <lrussell> I'm thinking bout switching
[00:52] <lrussell> now that i destroyed my install of xubuntu basicly
[00:52] <bazhang> hardly destroyed
[00:53] <lrussell> yeam but i want to get rid of it
[00:53] <lrussell> * yeah
[00:53] <lrussell> the bittorrent, from 3rd party
[00:55] <lrussell> gah, my pc is too old for xubuntu
[00:56] <lrussell> i wish my laptop would stop droping wifi
[00:57] <lrussell> yay! i found the 3rd part bittorrent in software center! removing
[00:59] <lrussell> is there a torrent client similar to utorrent for xubuntu?
[01:04] <lrussell> think this is safe?
[01:04] <lrussell> http://www.utorrent.com/downloads/linux
[01:04] <XubuntuKris> How do I add an icon to my top status bar?
[01:04] <XubuntuKris> *I guess it's called a status bar.
[01:04] <XubuntuKris> lol
[01:06] <lrussell> is utorrent for linux safe?
[01:12] <knome> lrussell, please install something from the repositories so you don't break your system, as you clearly do not know what you are doing
[01:13] <knome> XubuntuKris, panel? right-click and select 'add new items', then add 'launcher'
[01:13] <lrussell> I'm new to linux... sorta
[01:13] <knome> lrussell, yeah - that's completely okay - but you should do things in the way that suits your skill level
[01:14] <knome> lrussell, have you tried transmission?
[01:14] <knome> lrussell, it's the default torrent client in xubuntu
[01:14] <lrussell> yes i have
[01:14] <lrussell> I'm more of a windows pro
[01:15] <lrussell> xD
[01:15] <lrussell> I wanted to try something new
[01:15] <knome> !torrent > lrussell
[01:15] <lrussell> i accidently closed therm
[01:15] <lrussell> xD
[01:16] <lrussell> I just wanted to download the ubuntu torrent to support lixux
[01:16] <lrussell> *linux
[01:17] <knome> is there any other support question you might have?
[01:17] <lrussell> no
[01:17] <lrussell> bye
[01:17] <knome> okay, have fun
[01:28] <XubuntuKris> That worked knome, now how do I put it over next to the Firefox icon on the left? Since it added the icon on the right side.
[01:31]  * likemindead is now running Xubuntu 11.04! :D
[01:31] <likemindead> This look legit? http://www.webupd8.org/2011/01/install-libreoffice-in-ubuntu-from.html
[01:35] <Ziefin> I have a quick question if anyone can answer this
[01:35] <XubuntuKris> I'm sure you can just ask Ziefin, and someone will probably answer...
[01:35] <Ziefin> Which variant of linux is faster Xubuntu or Ubuntu?
[01:36] <XubuntuKris> I'm no expert, but someone here is.lol
[01:36] <likemindead> Xubuntu tends to be snappier, Ziefin.
[01:36] <Ziefin> that's what i hear
[01:36] <likemindead> Especially on older hardware.
[01:36] <Ziefin> well my hardware is definitely not old :)
[01:37] <Ziefin> i just hear that Xubuntu has a faster response time than Ubuntu
[01:39] <likemindead> I greatly prefer Xfce over GNOME.
[01:39] <Ziefin> ah'
[01:45] <lrussell> hi
[01:45] <gudmund> Has anyone tried the Graybird theme from Shimmer Project yet? I can't find any download online...
[01:45] <lrussell> how do i find my lan ip?
[01:45] <lrussell> on xubuntu
[01:46] <lrussell> my router wont tell me
[01:46] <lrussell> is there something u enter in the terminal
[01:47] <likemindead> gudmund, I'm using greybird.
[01:47] <likemindead> It's nice.
[01:47] <likemindead> (In Xubuntu 11.04)
[01:48] <gudmund> likemindead, did you download from the Shimmer Project site?
[01:48] <lrussell> bazhang?
[01:48] <gudmund> Oh, okay
[01:48] <lrussell> u here
[01:48] <likemindead> Nope, gudmund, just installed Xubuntu Natty.
[01:49] <lrussell> how do i find my lan ip
[01:49] <gudmund> likemindead, Strange thing the download isen't there, and i don't find it on xfce-look.org
[01:49] <lrussell> :/
[01:50] <lrussell> can anyone here help me>
[01:51] <lrussell> please
[01:51] <likemindead> Let me check, lrussell.
[01:51] <lrussell> ok, thanks
[01:51] <lrussell> :D
[01:52] <likemindead> Try "ifconfig" lrussell (but lose the quotes).
[01:52] <lrussell> ok
[01:52] <likemindead> Work?
[01:53] <lrussell> yep
[01:53] <lrussell> thanks. bye
[01:54] <gudmund> he shure diden't google alot...
[01:55] <likemindead> Yeah... I almost gave him a lmgtfy.com link... ;-)
[01:56] <likemindead> gudmund: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Xubuntu/Artwork/Natty
[02:00] <gudmund> likemindead, thanx, but ite download page is gone here too :/
[02:00] <likemindead> Strange.
[02:01] <gudmund> Yeah... Should i look for .deb files in in the 11.04 launchpad pages?
[02:02] <gudmund> or something
[02:06] <XubuntuKris> So, how do I put a link to Chromium browser next to the firefox link on the top panel?
[02:19] <gudmund> XubuntuKris, why? Now we got Firefox 4 :)
[02:20] <gudmund> XubuntuKris, You have to add a launcher to the panel
[02:33]  * XubuntuKris hates firefox
[02:33] <XubuntuKris> Sorry for the delay
[02:35] <XubuntuKris> I added a launcher to the panel...it defaulted on the right side next to the clock..I want it on the left next to the "Applications" and "Places" dropdown menus
[02:35] <XubuntuKris> And of course he quit...and I'm talking to thin air..
[02:35] <XubuntuKris> Anybody have any input for this?
[02:35] <XubuntuKris> I tried to google it already and couldn't find jack.
[02:36] <XubuntuKris> All google comes up with is forums and stuff that require coding...such a simple thing should not require any code unless I'm using some distro that does require code
[02:38] <XubuntuKris> bump..
[02:39] <XubuntuKris> anyone??????
[02:39] <XubuntuKris> nvm...\
[02:49] <Unit193> XubuntuKris: Got it?
[02:50] <XubuntuKris> yeah
[02:50] <XubuntuKris> right click. click move
[03:03] <XubuntuKris> Does Compiz work on Xubuntu the same way it does on Ubuntu?
[03:09] <XubuntuKris> anyone?
[03:09] <XubuntuKris> for having 52 people in this chat, it's aweful dead
[03:12] <XubuntuKris> wow, I'm gonna go ask in #ubuntu
[04:13] <XubuntuKris> Does anyone in here feel like answering a question?
[04:15] <XubuntuKris> Nobody responds to someone that needs help, but I bet if I started flaming someone or spamming, I'd get a response
[04:15] <XubuntuKris> This makes me want to stop using xubuntu
[04:16] <XubuntuKris> You guys suck
[04:56] <xiaoshen> hi all i'm in step 3 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=205449
[04:57] <xiaoshen> but i'm confused how to (3) Check to see if the ALSA driver for your sound card exists.
[04:57] <xiaoshen> help me^^'
[06:01] <kiko_in_office> guten morgen
[06:01] <kiko_in_office> ist hier ein bot
[06:01] <kiko_in_office> irseekbot
[06:29] <earthling_> I'm trying to boot up an xubuntu live USB on a 2001 compaq desktop, won't recognize it on bootup, says "non system disk or disk error"
[06:29] <earthling_> how do I get it to recognize it?
[06:34] <TheSheep> earthling_: did you test the usb on something else?
[06:35] <earthling_> I did long time ago, guess I will try that
[06:35] <TheSheep> earthling_: also, see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=562417
[06:36] <earthling_> thx
[06:40] <earthling_> usb works on other computer
[06:40] <earthling_> created with unetbootin
[06:41] <earthling_> TheSheep, perhaps this compaq has usb 1.1
[08:22] <xiaoshen> i can't found rdp protocol option in the remote desktop viewer tool
[08:28] <xiaoshen> xubuntu should have supported rdp protocol by default, right?
[08:36] <xiaoshen> nobody home^^'
[08:47] <Sysi> iirc it was there last time i tried
[08:48] <xiaoshen> hi Sysi
[08:49] <xiaoshen> my xubuntu have sound now
[08:49] <Sysi> check if you have remmina(and maybe plugins), it should support it
[08:49] <xiaoshen> :)
[08:50] <xiaoshen> i remember in the past that i can easily remote windows from ubuntu using rdp remote dekstop protocol
[08:50] <xiaoshen> but now in xubuntu 10.10 i can't find rdp in the protocol option
[08:52] <Sysi> check if you have remmina and possible plugins, use your favourite packet manager
[08:53] <xiaoshen> remmina?
[08:54] <xiaoshen> ic
[08:54] <xiaoshen> so i must install remmina 1st
[08:54] <Sysi> you propably have vinagre, it doesn't support rdp
[08:58] <xiaoshen> ic
[09:00] <xiaoshen> Sysi i don't know thename is vinagre or what , i only know that i fount remote desktop viewer in application>network>remote desktop viewer
[09:03] <Sysi> (and that is why i'm against generic names)
[09:03] <xiaoshen> well i know that its name its vinagre i just search in terminal and i found vinagre
[09:03] <xiaoshen> *is
[09:04] <xiaoshen> Sysi xubuntu have no login/logoff sound by default?
[09:05] <Sysi> no
[09:05] <xiaoshen> why
[09:06] <Sysi> xfce don't have
[09:06] <xiaoshen> oic
[09:08] <xiaoshen> one more question if in win command prompt is route add -p ip  mask gateway then in terminal how to do that?
[09:10] <Sysi> ahem?
[09:17] <xiaoshen> ^^'
[09:17] <xiaoshen> well ok i'll google it 1st
[09:18] <xiaoshen> oh i got to switch to winxp now
[09:18] <xiaoshen> bye^
[09:18] <xiaoshen> Thank you Sysi
[09:18] <Sysi> np
[10:29] <lolmaus> Trying to install Xubuntu. It loaded live, i run "Install Xubuntu 10.10" shortcut. It thinks for a while, then a dialog window appears and immediately dissappears.
[11:07] <xiaoshen> my desktop background became black and white color
[11:07] <xiaoshen> anybody can help:(
[11:11] <xiaoshen> ?
[11:13] <knome> what do you mean by "black and white color" ?
[11:13] <knome> do you have desktop icons or not?
[11:15] <xiaoshen> i have color picture then i set it as desktop background and it's normal but then i play with the brightness a little then after that my destop background become greyscale only black and whitr
[11:15] <knome> sounds like a possible bug in xfce
[11:16] <lolmaus> I've booted up a Xubuntu 10.10 cd to install it. But the install shortcut won't work: the wizard launches and disappears immediately.
[11:16] <xiaoshen> hi knome i solved my sound problem
[11:16] <xiaoshen> what should i do knome
[11:17] <knome> xiaoshen, did you also tweak the saturation rate?
[11:17] <xiaoshen> to fix my desktop background
[11:17] <knome> lolmaus, did you check the cd integrity?
[11:17] <xiaoshen> no
[11:17] <knome> what's the saturation value then?
[11:17] <xiaoshen> 1.0
[11:17] <knome> yeah, that's as it should
[11:17] <xiaoshen> it's the default
[11:17] <lolmaus> knome, nope. But it had never failed yet.
[11:18] <knome> lolmaus, you have used the same cd to install to other pc's?
[11:18] <xiaoshen> anyway to fix it :(
[11:18] <knome> xiaoshen, my best bet would be... open the wallpaper in gimp and tweak the brightness there, and then add the background as is
[11:19] <knome> xiaoshen, you can also file a but in xfdesktop
[11:19] <xiaoshen> my wallpaper is ok
[11:19] <xiaoshen> if i open with image viewer it looks ok
[11:19] <knome> xiaoshen, but you want to increase it's brightness?
[11:20] <xiaoshen> no
[11:20] <knome> so you want to.. what?
[11:20] <knome> what is not working, if it's not about the wallpaper
[11:20] <xiaoshen> now the problem is my desktop background become greyscale
[11:20] <xiaoshen> no matter what pic i choose
[11:20] <knome> a-ha
[11:20] <xiaoshen> even if i choose the default bluebird pic
[11:21] <knome> try to set the saturation to 1.1
[11:21] <knome> or anything >1
[11:21] <knome> does it render the image non-b&w ?
[11:22] <xiaoshen> oh it's normal now
[11:22] <xiaoshen> thanks
[11:22] <knome> no problem
[11:23] <xiaoshen> but i think that i don't hcahnge the saturation before
[11:23] <knome> you can probably set it back to 1 now
[11:23] <knome> for some reason, i think xfce thought the saturation was 0 even if you saw 1
[11:23] <xiaoshen> the default is 1
[11:23] <xiaoshen> right?
[11:24] <knome> yup. :)
[11:24] <xiaoshen> oh by the way i fix my sound problem by adding options snd-hda-intel model=laptop-automute at theend of alsa-base.conf
[11:24] <knome> mmh
[11:25] <xiaoshen> after i did that i do sudo alsa force-reload
[11:26] <xiaoshen> then it start making sound
[11:26] <xiaoshen> :)
[11:26] <knome> good
[11:29] <lolmaus> knome, i've burned another one and now the setup wizard starts without loading Xubuntu Live
[11:29] <xiaoshen> oh before that i remove pulseaudio package
[11:29] <xiaoshen> but i havent remove pavucontrol
[11:30] <xiaoshen> so you think it's ok to remove pavucontrol? knome?
[11:30] <knome> xiaoshen, sure
[11:30] <knome> lolmaus, but it works? :)
[11:31] <lolmaus> knome, i think so
[11:31] <xiaoshen> knome, while  uninstalling the song i played sound to be stop play stop play , is it normal?
[11:32] <knome> xiaoshen, i don't know, probably yes, but if it doesn't happen again after uninstalling, don't worry ;)
[11:33] <xiaoshen> i see^
[11:34] <xiaoshen> knome: do you think it's fine if i remove vinagre and replace it with remmina
[11:34] <xiaoshen> :-/
[11:35] <knome> xiaoshen, sure, if you like
[11:35] <xiaoshen> vinagre doesn't support rdp
[11:35] <knome> xiaoshen, xubuntu isn't tied to any applications
[11:35] <xiaoshen> i just wory that the package is not stable
[11:36] <knome> you can have both for a while
[11:36] <knome> then remove other
[11:37] <xiaoshen> i see
[11:38] <xiaoshen> i just finish streaming video from youtube , i want to save the video files is there anyway to do it?
[11:38] <xiaoshen> using firefox coz i'm in xubuntu now
[11:39] <istok> xiaoshen, check the firefox addons, there is a youtube downloader
[11:39] <xiaoshen> well i don't want to download again , coz i have finished streaming the video
[11:40] <knome> xiaoshen, check the addon
[11:40] <istok> unfortunately, you have to, as when you add the extension you have to refresh the page for it to become available.
[11:41] <xiaoshen> you know like when using internet explore if the video has finished streaming i just go to temporary internet files to get the video file
[11:41] <xiaoshen> can't do the same way with firefox?
[11:41] <istok> probably, never had to do it like that though
[11:43] <xiaoshen> then?
[11:48] <istok> umm, then try that addon for firefox.
[11:50] <xiaoshen> ok
[11:50] <xiaoshen> is there any hexa editor by default in xubuntu?
[11:53] <knome> xiaoshen, not by deafult, but there's at least ghex. do you know synaptic package manager?
[11:53] <xiaoshen> i see
[11:53] <xiaoshen> so i must install it
[11:54] <xiaoshen> i thought there is 1 by default
[11:54] <istok> i didn't find any
[11:54] <istok> sudo dpkg -l | grep hex
[11:54] <istok> but; sudo apt-cache search hex | grep editor
[11:54] <istok> second command returned a bunch.
[11:58] <xiaoshen> oh i got to go now , thank you somuch for helpng me knome, istok :)
[11:59] <xiaoshen> bye all
[14:47] <mohadib> hello
[14:47] <mohadib> i have installed xubuntu 10.10, after installing the nvidia drivers, themes no longer work, and the gtk theme looks really old and crappy
[14:47] <mohadib> any idea how i can fix this?
[14:48] <charlie-tca> explain "themes no longer work" ?
[14:48] <charlie-tca> You can not change themes?
[14:48] <mohadib> aking a screen shot
[14:48] <mohadib> yes
[14:49] <mohadib> and the default theme is not used anymore
[14:49] <mohadib> some old gtk1 looking theem
[14:49] <mohadib> one second
[14:51] <mohadib> http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/9895/wtfub.png
[14:52] <mohadib> thats the theme im stuck with at the moment
[14:52] <charlie-tca> hm, and no panels?
[14:53] <charlie-tca> That is the window manager theme, though
[14:53] <mohadib> i got panels, i have 3 displays, didnt want to post up a huge image
[14:53] <mohadib> right
[14:53] <mohadib> xfcewm
[14:53] <charlie-tca> okay, and you have the desktop image, right?
[14:53] <mohadib> yep
[14:53] <charlie-tca> and you can not change themes in Applications -> Settings -> window manager?
[14:54] <mohadib> er its changing the window decorations, not the gtk theme
[14:54] <charlie-tca> which icon set is it using? that is in Applications -> Settings -> Appearance
[14:54] <charlie-tca> Appearance also has the gtk themes
[14:54] <mohadib> elementry Xubuntu Dark
[14:55] <mohadib> chaning it does nothing
[14:55] <charlie-tca> You haven't upgraded to xfce 4.8 either?
[14:55] <mohadib> this all looked "right" before i installed the nvidia driver
[14:55] <mohadib> i did apt update/upgrade
[14:56] <charlie-tca> It sounds like a driver issue then. Did you install that using "Additional Drivers" ?
[14:56] <mohadib> yes
[14:56] <mohadib> the install went well as far as i can tell
[14:56] <mohadib> all 3 displays working etc
[14:56] <charlie-tca> and you restarted after?
[14:56] <mohadib> yes
[14:58] <mohadib> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1597337
[14:58] <mohadib> looks like this guy is seeing the same problem
[14:58] <charlie-tca> I don't know, when multiple monitors come into play. It does change how things work. I could suggest #ubuntu-x, which deals with things more
[14:59] <mohadib> ok, thanks
[14:59] <mohadib> http://www.mydailytechtips.com/2010/10/how-to-fix-plymouth-ugly-resolution-for.html
[14:59] <mohadib> love the fix
[14:59] <mohadib> downlaod a random script from a ranom site and run it :D
[14:59]  * mohadib keeps googling
[15:00] <charlie-tca> try Alt+F2, xfsettingsd
[15:01] <mohadib> that did it!
[15:01] <mohadib> thanks!2
[15:01] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[15:01] <mohadib> see if i can get it to save in the session and restart
[15:01] <mohadib> brb, thanks again
[15:01] <charlie-tca> no problem
[15:07] <mohadib> so i added it to the programs to start up, so about 30 seconds after i can see the desktop the theme is applied
[15:07] <mohadib> better than nothing :s
[15:08] <charlie-tca> yeah, sometimes things are a little slow, but at least it worked!
[15:08] <mohadib> yes!
[15:08] <mohadib> it was hurting my eyes before!
[15:10] <mohadib> NOX is pretty nice
[17:54] <rcb182> Hello world
[17:54] <knome> rcb182, hey.
[17:55] <rcb182> What's happening?
[17:56] <knome> friday night xoma
[17:56] <knome> *coma
[18:03] <rcb182> Is it common for the python install to fail due to corrupt packages during install of 10.10?
[18:25] <nicofs> I need help setting up vinagre/vino... all i get so far is "** ERROR **: Failed to register GObject with DBusConnection" on the server machine...
[19:01] <chudy_michef> xubuntu update manager wants to install gnome apps eg. brasero - should I let it install them?
[19:02] <Sysi> you don't have to
[19:03] <chudy_michef> I chose not to when they first appeared - but they keep coming up on the list. How can I make them go away?
[19:04] <charlie-tca> um, update manager should not be installing apps unless you are upgrading
[19:04] <charlie-tca> It will upgrade the repository though
[19:04] <chudy_michef> Is there something wrong in my settings then?
[19:05] <charlie-tca> brasero was a default app in 10.04, I think.
[19:05] <charlie-tca> did you remove it?
[19:06] <chudy_michef> no.
[19:06] <knome> yes, brasero is default in 10.04
[19:06] <Sysi> it of course updates installed software, idk what can happen with dependencies
[19:07]  * charlie-tca shrugs - let it run, then remove it if you don't want it
[19:07] <knome> well unless an app depends on more libraries than before, no extra libs should be drawn in, really
[19:07] <knome> or remove and then run the upgrades
[19:08] <knome> and you'll save yourself from downloading the upgrade
[19:08] <chudy_michef> Okay, I was just concerned because it said "for GNOME"
[19:08] <Sysi> i have anyway half oh gnome and kde installed, i just clean my menus with aptitude..
[19:08] <Sysi> gnome and kde software should work perfectly on xubuntu
[19:09] <charlie-tca> well, at least until natty, it doesn't seem to like the mix any more. At least, not yet.
[19:10] <chudy_michef> I've already got a version of Brasero installed so I might as well download the update - good to know it's the same software and won't cause problems.
[19:10] <chudy_michef> Thanks all.
[19:51] <cannonfodder> anyone know how to invoke the terminal...basically i want the equiv of ubuntus "gnome-terminal"
[19:51] <knome> cannonfodder, xfce4-terminal
[19:51] <charlie-tca> Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal
[19:52] <cannonfodder> thanks
[19:54] <drc> cannonfodder: got here late, did you get an answer?
[19:55] <cannonfodder> yes
[19:55] <cannonfodder> thanks
[19:55] <drc> good, didn't take long :)
[21:26] <beto> além da interface (xfce) oque difere do ubuntu com gnome ?
[21:27] <beto> aqui não para falar sobre xubuntu
[21:27] <beto> vixi acho que me enganei então
[21:28] <sagat> rs
[21:28] <sagat> identify
[21:28] <sagat> vixi
[21:28] <charlie-tca> !portugese
[21:28] <sagat> eita porra
[21:29] <charlie-tca> English please in this channel
[21:29] <sagat> achei que era uma comunidade
[21:29] <knome> !pr
[21:29] <sagat> me enganei de novo
[21:30]  * charlie-tca don't quite know what it is, then.
[21:31] <charlie-tca> Spanish, maybe?
[21:31] <knome> what is what? the language?
[21:31] <knome> (he used)
[21:31] <charlie-tca> no, the right factoid for the bot
[21:31] <knome> !br
[21:31] <charlie-tca> I know beto spoke portugese
[21:32] <charlie-tca> really? br?
[21:32] <knome> yeah. brazil.
[21:32] <knome> hmm,
[21:32] <knome> !pt
[21:32] <charlie-tca> I would never guess such a thing
[21:33] <charlie-tca> Thanks!
[21:33] <knome> no problem
[21:33] <ochosi> weird though that it's not !pt
[21:33] <charlie-tca> I agree. Most languages can also be spelled out, but that fails too
[21:51] <knome> !pt
[21:51] <knome> a-ha...
[21:52] <charlie-tca> Thanks for that. It all helps