[01:23] <Quintin> hi
[01:23] <Quintin> your project sucks
[01:23] <Quintin> who is in charge of the wobsite?
[01:46] <aetherian> ...
[01:48] <Quintin> hey, the truth hurts huh?
[01:49] <Quintin> just a second..
[01:49] <Quintin> ok.  if you click "get lubuntu", it starts downloading the ISO
[01:50] <Quintin> but wait, what if I want 64 bit?  what if I need alternate install?  what if I want to use torrent to get it faster and save bandwidth?  HOW THE HELL DO I DO THAT?
[01:50] <Quintin> I mean... your topic has bit torrent mentioned... so why isn't it on the main wobsite?
[02:37] <aetherian> ...
[02:38] <aetherian> Quintin?
[02:38] <aetherian> you there?
[02:41] <BWMerlin> speaking of 64bit will Lubuntu be releasing a 64bit iso or do you still need to do the unbuntu net install and get the packages that way?
[02:41] <aetherian> I don't think lubuntu will ever be getting 64 bit, no
[02:43] <jmarsden> aetherian: Patience is a virtue... so is helping out the development team!  I have created 64bit Lubuntu ISOs... but they don't work yet :)
[02:43] <aetherian> then... what's the point
[02:43] <aetherian> "I just created an entire linux distro from the ground up today! however, it doesn't work yet."
[02:44] <jmarsden> aetherian: The point is that I or you or someone can fix them and get them to work, at which point they will be released...
[02:44] <jmarsden> If you have the time and skills to help work on this with me I'll gladly share my work so far with you.
[02:44] <Quintin> hey sorry
[02:44] <Quintin> I'm back
[02:45] <Quintin> well, my point is... give me wobsite control, and I will make it suck slightly less, heh
[02:45] <aetherian> well, the first thing I was going to say to you
[02:45] <aetherian> a protip, that is
[02:46] <aetherian> protip: don't continually blatantly take a joke from a webcomic
[02:46] <aetherian> :)
[02:46] <aetherian> it gets irritating
[02:47] <aetherian> I think I'm going to try getting 64 bit lubuntu via installing lubuntu-desktop onto a 64 bit server :)
[02:47] <jmarsden> Quintin: The Lubuntu wiki is editable by all, if you have constructive edits to make to that, go for it :)
[02:48] <aetherian> brb, reset of something (innernets)
[02:48] <Quintin> jmarsden: k, I'll take that into consideration.  the main site needs a download page still though
[02:48] <BWMerlin> idk if i want someone messing with a website when they can't spell website
[02:49] <Quintin> also.... is 256mb really accurate?  cause the OS kept shitting itself on a laptop I'm trying to put it on...
[02:49] <jmarsden> aetherian: You are far from the first to create a 64bit Lubuntu that way, it works.  See http://www.dwasifar.com/?p=1442 for a 5 month old description of doing things that way.
[02:49] <jmarsden> BWMerlin: We can  roll back any undesirable changes if necessary :)
[02:50] <Quintin> a couple times I could get to first page of installer , but then it just hung not doing anything.  and usually openbox gets killed cause of OOM.  machine is piii-m, 256mb
[02:51] <Quintin> so mebbeh recommended for regular installer should be 384mb or such?  I'm working on a sample size of one though I realize
[02:51] <jmarsden> Quintin: Yes, Lubuntu still runs in 256MB, at least for me.  I'm not sure if the live installer runs in 256MB, pick the second menu option when booting the CD, not the first.
[02:51] <BWMerlin> jmarsden: we do the same thing at work when the school kids get onto their class assigment wiki and start pasting links to redtube etc not thinking that we can see who made the changes and when
[02:51] <Quintin> jmarsden: yea I did option #2.. didn't work :/  got the alternate install CD donwloading now
[02:52] <Quintin> this is for my mom's laptop.  I'm considering having it boot directly to farmville...
[02:52] <Quintin> I put ubuntu on her bf's laptop, but it's sooooooooooooooo slooowwwwwww, so I'll probably try lubuntu on it too I guess
[02:52] <jmarsden> Quintin: Interesting (the non-install, not the Farmville-OS!) .  Does your machine use some of the 256MB for graphics RAM by any chance?
[02:53] <Quintin> hmmm unknown.  armada M700
[02:54] <jmarsden> Quintin: OK.  If the video on it uses "shared memory", it reduces the RAM available to the OS by however much it assigns to video... *that* can drop you down to maybe 240MB visible to the installer... which is probably too small to work.
[02:55] <Quintin> yea I'm aware.  what's best way to check that?  I'm going to look in BIOS
[02:55] <BWMerlin> bios is best way
[02:56] <jmarsden> Quintin: That, or boot a non-GUI Linux Live CD and type  free  and see how much RAM it thinks the machine has.
[02:57] <BWMerlin> i know lubuntu is aimed at lower resource computers but if i put it on a new system with 16gb ram, SSD, big GFX card and fast CPU it is still going to run fine or would i be better off finding another distro?
[02:57] <Quintin> nothing in the BIOS.  not very many BIOS options
[02:57] <Quintin> BWMerlin: why would it not run fine?  be just the same as anything else.   uber fast
[02:58] <BWMerlin> as it is geared for older and slowe it might not have features included that newer hardware uses
[02:58] <BWMerlin> and i am hoping for low resource and lots of speed
[02:58] <Quintin> huh?  that's all in the kernel
[02:59] <BWMerlin> ubuntu is bloat imo i just want an OS with a GUI and ill install that rest
[02:59] <BWMerlin> just because its in the kernal doesnt mean lubuntu included it
[02:59] <Quintin> start with a minimal install of ubuntu then, or use debian
[02:59] <BWMerlin> many years ago i my own kernal and forgot to include keyboard
[02:59] <Quintin> hardware support is pretty much entirely in the kernel
[03:01] <Quintin> and yea ubuntu lately does seem kind of crappy
[03:01] <Quintin> I mean it's shiny and whatnot, but there's over 200 processes running on a clean install!
[03:01] <aetherian> um, because I'm incompetent and can't look it up myself
[03:02] <aetherian> is there a minimal lxde deb package?
[03:02] <aetherian> lxde/lubuntu
[03:05] <jmarsden> aetherian: lubuntu-core I think?
[03:05] <aetherian> ooh cool
[03:05] <jmarsden> Make that lxde-core
[03:06] <aetherian> lubuntu-core exists
[03:06] <aetherian> I have to say, lxde>gnome even for good computers
[03:07] <aetherian> gnome is just so bloated
[03:20] <aetherian> well, ima do what I do before installing something like this
[03:20] <aetherian> VM time
[03:28] <aetherian> though I must say, ubuntu netbook looks like it would work well if integrated with touch screens'
[03:54] <uofm49426> strange small problem
[03:54] <Quintin> yay, just burnt alternate install cd
[03:54] <uofm49426> letter cut in firefox
[03:55] <uofm49426> and chromium
[03:56] <uofm49426> like letter t looks like a i the crass line is invisible
[03:57] <uofm49426> u at bottem the curve is missing
[03:58] <uofm49426> like some one took a eraser to it
[03:59] <uofm49426> most like search google i see it
[04:11] <uofm49426> i have snapshot you will see what i mean
[04:18] <aetherian> know what I think is funny?
[04:18] <aetherian> people running chrome in linux
[04:23] <uofm49426> lubuntu 10.10 its default but i kicked it  out replaced by firefox
[04:25] <jmarsden> aetherian: chrome => closed source, chromium (package name chromium-browser) => open source.  Yes, it would be odd to run chrome (closed source) in Ubuntu without a very good reason for doing so :)
[04:26] <uofm49426> when my harddrive comes i think im going to run mint lubuntu or fluxbox
[04:27] <uofm49426> im runing of a usb flash drive
[04:27] <uofm49426> im runing off a usb flash drive
[04:27] <aetherian> jmarsden: that was my point :)
[04:27] <aetherian> mint... lubuntu?
[04:27] <aetherian> wazzat?
[04:28] <jmarsden> aetherian: OK... then <uofm49426> lubuntu 10.10 its default      was confused, chrome is not included in Lubuntu, chromium is.
[04:28] <aetherian> wha
[04:28] <aetherian> I just made the comment without looking at anything
[04:28] <aetherian> :#
[04:29] <uofm49426> mint linux with lxde
[04:29] <aetherian> why mint o.o
[04:30] <uofm49426> built in codacs
[04:30] <uofm49426> dvd play back no added updates
[04:31] <uofm49426> built in flash plugins
[04:31] <aetherian> ugh
[04:31] <aetherian> gee
[04:31] <aetherian> "a hurr durr, how does I click the button to install the flash plugins"
[04:32] <uofm49426> plus had problem with ubuntu with kernel updates
[04:32] <aetherian> oh, ubuntu fails it
[04:32] <aetherian> lubuntu rocks
[04:33] <uofm49426> like i have a cheap rt8185
[04:33] <uofm49426> and when i get updates it dont update the module
[04:34] <uofm49426> mint dont update kernels
[04:35] <uofm49426> my brother writes for debian packages
[04:35] <jmarsden> uofm49426: You filed a bug report about this rt8185 module issue on launchpad, right?  Has it been fixed yet?
[04:36] <uofm49426> i did and i changed to mint
[04:36] <jmarsden> uofm49426: What is the bug number for it?
[04:41] <uofm49426> that my desktop dont remember
[04:41] <uofm49426> im in my laptop
[04:42] <jmarsden> OK, is your LP id uofm49426 , or something else, I can find it that way :)
[04:44] <uofm49426> i think so it was 10.04 were i had this problem
[04:44] <uofm49426> and that was when it first came out
[04:45] <jmarsden> The only bug submitted to LP by uofm49426 is:   384201 	application execution Errors
[04:51] <uofm49426> well maybe because my wifi wasnt working
[04:51] <uofm49426> i do remember modprobe rt8180 and falled not found
[04:53] <uofm49426> i may keep lubuntu on my laptop
[04:54] <uofm49426> i relize it old but is there some gl support still for i915
[04:54] <uofm49426> or should i find something older
[04:57] <jmarsden> There is supposed to be i915 KMS support in 2.6.38 kernels, but see https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31522 for a recently reported regression...
[04:59] <uofm49426> so should i consider the last lts
[04:59] <uofm49426> so should i consider the last Lts
[05:00] <jmarsden> Oh, 10.10 should be fine, latest 11.04 alphas may have the issue in that bug report.
[05:01] <uofm49426> i just notice its not 100% smooth
[05:02] <uofm49426> it a x41 thinkpad nontablet
[05:03] <uofm49426> next week i be at 1.5 gb ram for now 40 gb harddrive till ssd comes down
[05:04] <uofm49426> biggest problem only 16 mb vram
[05:05] <uofm49426> the tablet has 128
[05:08] <jmarsden> 16MB video ram should be plenty for 1024x768x24bit LCD display anyway... why is that a "big problem"?
[05:09] <uofm49426> well mostly that is windows problem
[05:10] <jmarsden> uofm49426: Easy answer to that, since we are in #lubuntu -- don't run Windows, run Lubuntu :)
[05:11] <uofm49426> well i do want to run mce to my xbox 360 and share music and videos i may have
[05:12] <uofm49426> it will be 8 to 10m gigs
[05:14] <head_victim> What's the easiest want to configure sound devices in Lubuntu? I swapped out my MB and everything else just worked, the sound never came back
[05:16] <uofm49426> can you tell me memory usage difference bettween lubuntu xubuntu ubuntu and kubuntu in basic use
[05:17] <jmarsden> Lubuntu tends to be a lot less than the others :)  But the way to find out is to try it, boot a LiveCD of each and see what happens on your hardware.
[05:18] <uofm49426> well cd is much slower the a hardrive i think i would use a flash drive
[05:19] <uofm49426> ok with nothing runing but desktop how much ram
[05:20] <jmarsden> I think around 180MB last time I looked.  But ... try it!
[05:24] <uofm49426> i just want a os as good as a 2005 2005 linux os would
[05:24] <uofm49426> you like new
[05:25] <uofm49426> you no like new
[05:25] <uofm49426> it was made in 2005
[07:00] <head_victim> I'm having problems with sound, it's reporting to me that it can't find the device. I have just swapped out the MB for another one. Is there a good way to get it to detect and load the drivers for the new card?
[08:39] <NRWlion> morning! can some1 tell me where the fonts are stored in linux?
[10:27] <shuttle> hello, im looking for a list where i can find all terminal-cmds for windowmanagment, like moving window to next desktop
[10:28] <shuttle> cant find in web
[10:29] <NRWlion> hallo shuttle
[10:30] <shuttle> hi
[10:31] <NRWlion> the requested information should be found in terminal itself by typing help
[10:31] <NRWlion> this brings up a list of all available cmds in terminal
[10:31] <shuttle> ok thx :)
[10:33] <MrChrisDruif> How's it going shuttle? NRWlion helping good I see? :)
[10:33] <NRWlion> MrChrisDruif, i am not that good as you but i try my best
[10:33] <NRWlion> ^^
[10:35] <shuttle> im fine thx
[10:35] <shuttle> setting up my linux
[10:35] <shuttle> or at less i try to
[10:37] <NRWlion> shuttle i have sent you two querry / pm with additional information (1 Link and 1 Book)
[10:40] <NRWlion> guten Morgen Johannes ;)
[10:45] <NRWlion> ok my homeoffice is waiting for me ... if i am needed, just ping me!
[10:53] <NRWlion> shuttle, if you need anything else, i am sure that MrChrisDruif will help you out
[10:54] <MrChrisDruif> When I'm around, I will do my best :)
[10:56] <NRWlion> MrChrisDruif, you are always "around" when you are not sleeping :p this is your second living room *hides*
[10:57]  * MrChrisDruif was wondering why his living room suddenly felt so big :P
[11:00]  * NRWlion does NOT write what he thinks right now :D
[17:10] <gootella> Anyone know how to *just* change the main menu color in LXDE?
[19:23] <ChaosZarth> excuse me, what do i have to do to get the keyboard sticky in lubuntu?
[19:35] <jmarsden> ChaosZarth: I think I just replied to your email about that on lxde-list
[19:41] <ChaosZarth> so can you give me a solution
[19:41] <ChaosZarth> jmarsden: can you help me?
[19:42] <jmarsden> well, I tried... did you read the email?
[19:42] <jmarsden> I am more of a commandline/server type person so I am not sure exactly which ~/.something file you need to use to put your xkbset command in to execute at login...
[19:43] <jmarsden> Can you put the options you need into /etc/default/console-setup or /etc/default/keyboard instead ?
[19:48] <ChaosZarth> sorry, missunderstood...but now i got it...i dont have a /etc/default/keyboard
[19:49] <jmarsden> I think that one is in Natty only.  Look at /etc/default/console-setup for the variables to do with the keyboard (all start with X) and see if one will take your options for the stickiness?
[19:50] <ChaosZarth> and i dont know what to insert in the /etc/default/console-setup
[19:50] <jmarsden> XKBOPTIONS="" might be the one to play with
[19:51] <ChaosZarth> btw, isnt it just for the console? i want to have it everywhere
[19:52] <jmarsden> They affect X keyboard usage too; if you run sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup and tell it you have a Spanish keyboard, or whatever, that will still affect X :)
[19:53] <jmarsden> I don't know much about the stickyness thing, I have used this for "unusual" keyboard hardware...
[19:53] <jmarsden> I am fairly sure X reads those variables related to the keyboard when it starts up.
[20:26] <ChaosZarth> well jmarsden, i did look in the internet but found no xkboptions that fit, also i have a problem to understand what is to insert, my english is not the very best
[20:28] <jmarsden> ChaosZarth: OK, so then what you need is a "run this whenever I log into LXDE" script, which can run your xkbset command.  There should be one, but I do not know what it is.