[00:02] <Omega> How do you enable multitouch on your touchpad?
[00:12] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, does crimsun still work on ubuntu?
[00:12] <BUGabundo> think so
[00:12] <BUGabundo> but he is a very busy guy
[00:31] <coz_>  hey all
[00:31] <BUGabundo> hey
[00:32] <coz_> BUGabundo,  hey guy
[00:47] <johnjohn101> will ubuntu classic be included with 11.04?  the classic gui
[00:50] <Omega> johnjohn101: Yes.
[00:51] <johnjohn101> omega, does that mean if I upgrade, i can try unity as it gets better with updates but switch back?
[00:51] <Omega> Yep, you can change back easily.
[00:52] <Omega> At your login screen, you can select 'Ubuntu Classic'.
[00:52] <johnjohn101> was this always going to be the case?
[00:52] <Omega> Yep
[00:52] <johnjohn101> so what gtk version?
[00:52] <johnjohn101> 2.x or 3.x?
[00:52] <Omega> 2.x
[00:52] <Omega> afaik
[00:53] <Omega> It'll use gnome-panel
[00:53] <johnjohn101> if I try a distro with gnome 3, it will be 3.x probably?
[00:53] <johnjohn101> I probably won't give it a try until beta2
[00:54] <johnjohn101> last time I tried an alpha I had to reload everything from scratch..
[00:54] <Omega> That's unfortunate ):
[00:54] <Omega> You can use a usb drive though.
[00:54] <johnjohn101> what size is good?
[00:55] <johnjohn101> I need to have broadcom wireless but I think everything else works out of the box
[00:58] <Omega> I'd say 4 GB is enough?
[01:04] <mungo-> anyone know where i can get a powered by ubuntu graphic ?
[01:04] <mungo-> something very nice, yet large
[01:05] <mungo-> johnjohn101, did you try restricted drivers, there was also two sets one of them with source code release available for compilation though thats very old news about broadcom.  bet the resources are out there
[01:09] <johnjohn101> mungo, I use them now but they weren't available last time till beta
[01:09] <johnjohn101> i think
[01:42] <mu3en_> with kernel update just released: through kpackagekit, wants to replace grub-efi-amd64 with grub-pc. through apt-get: doesn't require that change.
[02:42] <mungo{}0> any of you good at troubleshooting ubuntuone on natty ?  #ubuntuone seems to be not responsive this hour of the night
[02:47] <mungo{}0> how do i initiate hplip on natty ?
[05:12] <chinilla> If I'm running a 32 bit os on a 64 bit cpu can I run the 64 bit kernel in virtualbox?
[05:21] <ubuntu> Hi, I broke my grub upgrading to natty, I stupidly told it to replace grub.cfg. Would it have backed up my existing grub.cfg or is it gone?
[05:37] <nit-wit> ubuntu, you still there
[08:29] <zniavre> hello
[08:30] <zniavre> im comming again to know if somebody tried to customize the launcher please ? that is hardcoded as i m thinking ?
[08:41] <Severian> zniavre, Are you talking about Unity?  What do you want to change?
[08:56] <varun> hi,i am using natty alpha 3,i am facing issue with unity and compiz,maximize and minize,close buttons are missing,i did something in the compiz to enable animations,i messed up things with unity,help please
[08:57] <varun> hi friends,help me out
[08:58] <varun> problem with compiz and untiy,all the max,min,close buttons missing
[08:59] <varun> any body there
[09:05] <Severian> yes
[09:09] <zniavre> severian > yes talking about unity , i wanted to change the launcher background
[09:09] <Severian> varun, Yes.  You left too quickly.
[09:10] <Severian> zniavre, I have customized, but not in that way
[09:11] <Severian> varun, you have just experienced the joy that is Unity and Compiz.  Mine does that once or twice a day..  Fun, isn't it?
[09:12] <zniavre> Severian,  what did you do please?
[09:13] <Severian> reboot
[09:13] <Severian> I also setup a second natty test machine where I don't use Unity.  It is much more pleasant to use.
[09:14] <zniavre> :o)
[10:26] <mongy> any possible ways of getting a panel applet in the panel in unity?  I need my netspeed applet in there...
[10:43] <mungo{}0> morning everyone
[13:02] <bittin> Hello there, do there exist any last.fm plugins for audacious?
[13:03] <zniavre> bittin,  it is not scrobbler plugin?
[13:05] <bittin> found the package i needed: audacious-plugins
[13:05] <bittin> and plugins-extra
[13:05] <zniavre> http://imgur.com/mL65G.png
[13:06] <dart> got a really strange problem: whenever I install any new package from synaptic compiz crashes and restarts at the end of installation
[13:16] <cg2916> i can't boot into linux, i get stuck on grub
[13:17] <cg2916> anyone here?
[13:21] <bittin> Hello, somone knows how to get audacious 2.3 to scrobble?
[13:48] <cg2916> i'm stuck on grub
[13:49] <cg2916> he
[13:49] <cg2916> hey
[13:49] <cg2916> i need some help
[13:51] <charlie-tca> Please ask your question all in one line. All of us are volunteers and will attempt to answer if we know.
[13:52] <cg2916> i get stuck on the grub command line
[14:18] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[14:54] <zniavre> goodafternoon
[14:55] <zniavre> any plugin to integrate audacious to sound-indicator please?
[14:59] <duanedesign> zniavre: hello
[15:00] <duanedesign> zniavre: someone has starting writing one
[15:01] <duanedesign> zniavre:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/audacious-plugins/+bug/658001
[15:03] <duanedesign> zniavre: looks like some of the functionality is waiting on bug 681994
[15:03] <zniavre> duanedesign,  thank you
[15:04] <zniavre> if you read well you can see on first link my nickname ... i already asked
[15:07] <coz_> hey all
[15:10] <bittin> hi
[15:29] <duanedesign> zniavre: sorry, i did not read every comment of the two bug reports.
[15:35] <duanedesign> .5
[17:12] <kubu2> any idea why kaffeine can't play mpeg-4 when dragon an?
[17:12] <kubu2> *can
[17:12] <Hukka> Can anyone verify that resizing xterm doesn't work properly?
[17:13] <Hukka> I can resize it only from the top and left sides, but if I enlargen it the created space is just black, even though underlying shell renders into it (for example a man page is cut off with the right side and bottom being just black)
[17:14] <kubu2> could be display prob. try moving to another workspace and back..it's just not redrawing fast enough?
[17:14] <Hukka> No, that's not it
[17:14] <Hukka> Moving doesn't help
[17:14] <Hukka> And the original area still updates
[17:15] <Hukka> But anything that goes into the area that's larger than the original size, is not drawn
[17:15] <kubu2> compiz prob?
[17:15] <kubu2> disable compiz and see
[17:18] <Hukka> Shouldn't it be under system, preferences, appearance?
[17:19] <Hukka> Somehow I can't even find the desktop effects
[17:20] <kubu2> just fired up vbox and xterm works for me
[17:20] <kubu2> no compiz though
[17:21] <kubu2> why can't you use the gnome term?
[17:21] <kubu2> which is a lot better?
[17:22] <Hukka> Because I'm debugging a rendering problem with vim, and seems like it doesn't like gnome-terminal
[17:22] <kubu2> what? what is it in text that needs to be rendered?
[17:23] <Hukka> In gnome-terminal I have a weird problem that happens especially when deleting text. Sometimes parts of the text are replaced with stuff like ^[OF
[17:24] <Hukka> Scrolling that part out of the view and back shows the right text again
[17:24] <Hukka> Doesn't seem to happen with xterm
[17:25] <kubu2> seems to me you have bigger issue than vim
[17:25] <Hukka> That issue is actually quite old, I just never had bothered to start looking into it
[17:25] <kubu2> vim has nothing to do with displaying text
[17:25] <Hukka> Well, it also has never happened with any other program
[17:26] <Hukka> Only vim
[17:26] <penguin42> Hukka: Is this gvim?
[17:26] <Hukka> No
[17:28] <alex_mayorga> bug 741385
[17:28] <penguin42> Hukka: Is the vim running on the local machine?
[17:28] <Hukka> alex_mayorga: I see that for a short while when gnome is starting, but soon the real icons appear
[17:29] <Hukka> penguin42: Yes
[17:30] <alex_mayorga> Hukka: for me some remain broken, wifi, bluetooth, battery, keyboard layout
[17:30] <penguin42> Hukka: Well the ^[OF are control codes; ^[OF is the one generated by the End button
[17:30] <alex_mayorga> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1713430 has a screen capture of my problem
[17:30] <alex_mayorga> how can one regenerate the icons?
[17:31] <Hukka> penguin42: It's generated by vim, since I don't use End for example ever
[17:31] <Hukka> in Vim I go to end of line with "A"
[17:32] <penguin42> Hukka: OK, it might be one of the ANSI control sequences in the other direction as well then - not sure which; is $TERM set correctly?
[17:32] <Hukka> I see other control chars too, but can't remember them off hand. ^[OF was what I got this morning, when I decided to look into the matter
[17:32] <Hukka> penguin42: My TERM is xterm and COLORTERM gnome-terminal
[17:33] <Hukka> I don't change it in .profile or .bash{rc,_profile}, so it comes from the system configuration
[17:36] <penguin42> odd
[17:37] <Hukka> And I also think it's related somehow to vim's syntax hilighting
[17:37] <Hukka> Since just opening a new file and typing randomly works fine
[17:38] <Hukka> I can't really reproduce it reliably
[17:41] <Hukka> Someone from #vim recommended http://vim.pastey.net/116135
[17:41] <Hukka> But anyway I'd like xterm to work too :)
[17:42] <Hukka> So, how can I disable compiz now that it doesn't seem to be in preferences -> appearance anymore?
[17:42] <Hukka> Since kubu2 said that his xterm works fine natty without compiz
[17:45] <Karmic_Koala> can anyone help me to install freepbx on ubuntu 9.10 ????
[17:45] <cg2916> when i boot ubuntu, i get stuck on the grub command line, can anybody help?
[17:45] <kella> Anyone know how to get ubuntu to ignore a usb keyboard?
[17:46] <liminal_> hello
[17:46] <cg2916> kella: are you familiar with the command line and ppas?
[17:47] <kella> ppas are those repositories on launchpad right? Yes, I'm familiar with the command line
[17:47] <liminal_> Error: need a repository as argument
[17:47] <liminal_> anyone know how I can fix this problem
[17:47] <cg2916> kella: yup. hang on, let me findo ne
[17:47] <cg2916> find one*
[17:47] <liminal_> sudo apt-add-repository ppa: kernel-ppa/ppa sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic-lts-backport-natty linux-headers-generic-lts-backport-natty
[17:47] <cg2916> kella: here, open this: https://launchpad.net/~william-channelxstream/+archive/ppa/+buildjob/800640/+files/pbxbuntu-freepbx_2.5.0-1ubuntu4_i386.deb
[17:48] <kella> What is it?
[17:48] <cg2916> it will open a package, i think it might open software center
[17:49] <kella> Yes it does, but I don't see what a pbx has to do with a keyboard
[17:49] <janisozaur> will natty include gcc 4.6?
[17:49] <cg2916> keyboard?
[17:56] <kella> ok, does anyone at least know where under /dev I would find a usb keyboard?
[17:58] <cg2916> I am running Natty Alpha 3. I used Update Manager to install something (not sure what it was), then I restarted, but instead of listing all the kernels, it gave me a command line. I don't know what happened and how to use it. Help!
[17:58] <kella> cg, do you have an install disc?
[17:58] <cg2916> kella: i have an install usb drive
[17:59] <kella> unless someone has a better idea, your best option might be to boot from the install drive, chroot into your install and dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc
[18:00] <cg2916> kella: the problem is that i installed ubuntu 10.10 on the usb then upgraded to natty
[18:00] <robin0800> Hukka, metacity --replace in alt f2
[18:00] <kella> So ubuntu is installed on the USB key?
[18:00] <cg2916> kella: yup
[18:01] <Hukka> robin0800: Thanks
[18:01] <Hukka> Yeah, removing compix fixes xterm
[18:01] <kella> cg: It might still be as simple as reconfiguring grub
[18:01] <Hukka> Heh, compiz went down fighting ("closed unpexpectedly")
[18:02] <cg2916> kella: how, i can't get into ubuntu!
[18:02] <robin0800> Hukka, thats a bug
[18:02] <kella> So you're in windows right now?
[18:02] <Hukka> Yeah
[18:02] <cg2916> kella: vista
[18:03] <gnomefreak> other than hook up the HDMI cable do i need to do anything to get HD?
[18:03] <kella> hrm, it's too bad the people in #ubuntu would probably kick you out, all you need is the command to boot from grub, and I can't remember what it is
[18:03] <gnomefreak> compiz is known to be crashing. there are a fefw bugs on it already including 1 or 2 from me but i saw a bunch
[18:04] <cg2916> kella: i've looked up the commands, all of them don't work!!! mainly because i can't find the hd X,Y numbers
[18:04] <kella> should be sd1,0 I think
[18:05] <cg2916> kella: i have two hard drives, i put it on my secondary (not windows, but had some random files) what are those numbers?
[18:05] <kella> hd a,b is drive A, partition B
[18:06] <kella> so the first partition on 2nd drive should be 1,0
[18:06] <cg2916> ok
[18:06] <kella> except USB probably isn't listed along with the drives
[18:08] <cg2916> kella: i'm not booting off usb
[18:08] <kella> So why did you say you have ubuntu installed to USB?
[18:08] <cg2916> kella: i used that to install ubuntu
[18:09] <kella> argh
[18:12] <gnomefreak> you installed it now you are booting using hard drive not USB?
[18:12]  * gnomefreak sorry im working as fast as i can so i can go to store but it seems i am confused about the above
[18:44] <phillyj> My built-in 5-in-1 card reader won't work anymore but it was working until update manager downloaded a bunch of files.
[18:44] <phillyj> i tried lsusb and it is listed but when I put my x.D or SD card in their slots, the light don't turn on and nothing happens
[19:14] <phillyj> aaaah, someone help, i can find my task bars with the programs, locations, etc
[19:15] <phillyj> and when i minimize something, it disappears into the bottom, theres nothing there
[19:15] <phillyj> i don't even know how to load up the console
[19:18] <arand> phillyj: Console via ctrl+alt+t
[19:19] <arand> phillyj: Are yo running unity? DO you have the unity launcher list?
[19:19] <phillyj> unity
[19:19] <phillyj> ?
[19:19] <phillyj> i dont think so
[19:21] <phillyj> i think i have to reboot
[19:21] <phillyj> reinstall ubuntu
[19:54] <mdkess> How can I show CPU use in the panel?
[19:57] <bcurtiswx> Chromium event though i set it as default browser it's not.  Is there a workaround where I can get Ubuntu to see chromium as my default browser?
[19:57] <mdkess> As a more general question, how do I control which icons are displayed on the top bar in Unity?
[19:58] <bcurtiswx> nvm, im a retard
[20:14] <germ86> hi
[20:26] <bbordwell> Hello, I just ran an update-grub and it did not detect my main Ubuntu installation so I now have no option to boot to it. How can I recover it?
[20:33] <mongy> I noticed it doesnt detect any of my other linux partitions either.  I just restored grub from a liveusb
[20:33] <mongy> ugh, they went
[21:04] <incorrect> oh time to upgrade my netbook to 11.04, i wonder if i will end up with a brick
[21:07]  * penguin42 finds the menus in the top bar interesting - they save space, but they don't work well with sloppy focus - you have to navigate around other windows quite carefully
[21:10] <incorrect> i hope you can add custom launchers to the side bar
[21:15] <charlie-tca> incorrect: too low to work for a doorstop
[21:16] <incorrect> charlie-tca, i guess more to the point it could make a nice paper weight
[21:16] <charlie-tca> true enough
[21:17] <charlie-tca> leave it on the clothes, it will act as an iron, too
[21:17] <incorrect> could be useful
[21:17] <penguin42> charlie-tca: It depends if you get can fan control or not
[21:18] <charlie-tca> heh, I guess it does, at that.
[21:19] <incorrect> what is the deal with the multiple desktops in a grid 2x2? can they be changed to 1x4 ?
[21:19] <penguin42> incorrect: There doesn't seem to be any way to get to the desktop settings, I suspect you can edit them with gconf
[21:24] <penguin42> ah there we go; took me 10 mins to figure out how to get to the boot menu on my eeepc - always does
[21:25] <Daekdroom> incorrect, you can change them in ccsm
[21:25] <Daekdroom> In General Options, last tab.
[21:25] <incorrect> thanks
[21:27] <penguin42> Daekdroom: Thanks!
[21:33] <siegie> Hi, i can't start unity for some reason. In dmesg i get the following eror:  compiz segfault ...error 4 in libgdk-X11-2.0
[21:35] <penguin42> bug
[21:35] <incorrect> i guess ubuntu is no longer the flagship distro for gnome
[21:36] <incorrect> oh i can see it now gubuntu?
[21:38] <syn-ack> I found one thing about Natty that I don't like so far.
[21:38] <syn-ack> I can't remove the pager from the launcher.
[21:38] <syn-ack> rather the desktop switcher.
[21:38] <incorrect> can you add custom launchers?
[21:39] <syn-ack> yeah
[21:39] <syn-ack> I can add and remove everyone of them except for the desktop switcher.
[21:39]  * yofel tries to login to unity...
[21:39] <syn-ack> Is the papercuts site up for Natty yet?
[21:39] <incorrect> 1:05 till my netbook becomes a netbrick
[21:41]  * penguin42 is just starting an installation on his netbook; the manual partitioning window doesn't fit
[21:41] <Daekdroom> syn-ack, you can remove all desktops and leave only 1, then it'll disappear.
[21:42] <yofel> nope, no luck, I ended up with: _usr_bin_akonadi_agent_launcher.1000.crash  _usr_bin_compiz.1000.crash  _usr_bin_review-notifier.1000.crash
[21:43] <syn-ack> Daekdroom, Where are the desktop settings stored now? I haven't been able to find them
[21:43] <Daekdroom> syn-ack, you can do it through CCSM.
[21:43] <Daekdroom> "General Options"'s last tab
[21:43] <yofel> how do I get a terminal in unity when compiz isn't running?
[21:44] <incorrect> oh something must have upgrade the window manager library
[21:44] <charlie-tca> yofel: ctrl+Alt+t won't open one?
[21:44] <yofel> charlie-tca: not for me
[21:45] <charlie-tca> alt+f2, gnome-terminal   ?
[21:45] <yofel> alt+f2 didn't do anything either
[21:45] <syn-ack> Daekdroom, Reading state information... Done
[21:45] <syn-ack> E: Unable to locate package ccsm
[21:45] <syn-ack> ;(
[21:45] <yofel> syn-ack: compiz-config-settings-manager
[21:45] <Daekdroom> It's not under that name, I believe
[21:45] <Daekdroom> compizconfig-settingsmanager, I think
[21:45] <Daekdroom> !info compizconfig-settingsmanager
[21:45] <Daekdroom> !info compizconfig-settings-manager
[21:45] <yofel> errr yeah
[21:46] <syn-ack> yeah, thanks. used the wrong keyword
[21:54] <syn-ack> heh, well I crashed Compiz changing that setting. That was fun. :P
[21:54] <syn-ack> Thanks for the lead on CCSM
[22:20] <incorrect> 3 mins till brick mode, i am so excited
[22:21] <graingert> what is the likleyhood that this will break: http://pastebin.com/ADqQ33fP
[22:21] <graingert> incorrect, 3 mins till brick what?
[22:22] <incorrect> well i upgraded my netbook
[22:22] <incorrect> unity seems to have died during the upgrade
[22:22] <graingert> re: my pastebin: upgrading from nvidia-173 to nvidia-current
[22:22] <incorrect> so i am expecting it to be a netbrick soon
[22:22] <graingert> incorrect, yes it will do
[22:22] <graingert> incorrect, you need to choose the right desktop to login to at the gdm
[22:22] <incorrect> ok
[22:23] <graingert> and maybe install unity2D using the classic desktop
[22:23] <incorrect> i am not fussy
[22:23] <yofel> graingert: what card do you have?
[22:23] <graingert> but if unity avec compiz-ness works then go fer it
[22:23] <graingert> yofel, 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G80 [GeForce 8800 GTS] (rev a2)
[22:23] <incorrect> 1 min
[22:23] <yofel> current will work with that (at least it should)
[22:23] <incorrect> i am so excited
[22:24] <graingert> incorrect: drumroll
[22:24] <graingert> hmm
[22:24] <incorrect> this is a long 1 minute
[22:24] <graingert> so should one install through this way if nvidia-current is not in jocky-gtk?
[22:25] <graingert> -> yofel
[22:25] <incorrect> i like that i will get my screen real estate back
[22:25] <yofel> graingert: usually not, but current supports >=Geforce 6 I think, so it should be fine
[22:25] <incorrect> i don't know why the trend for the last few years was for the OS to take up as much screen as possible
[22:26] <yofel> without jockey you'll need to adjust your xorg.conf by hand, but if you upgrade from 173 to 270 that shouldn't be necessary
[22:26] <graingert> incorrect, unity takes up about the same on my netbook
[22:26] <graingert> yofel, hmm
[22:26] <incorrect> graingert, not with the top menu/ gnome bar thingy merging
[22:26] <incorrect> and if the silly side bar can go too
[22:26] <graingert> incorrect, the sidebar disapears mostly
[22:26] <incorrect> that will make me happy
[22:27] <graingert> but in terms of pixels taken up by panels and that ubuntu unity 10.10 nbr is less than ubuntu classic
[22:27] <incorrect> i dislike it,
[22:27] <incorrect> well once you remove the bottom bar
[22:27] <graingert> incorrect, not much to upgrade for in natty then...?
[22:28] <graingert> incorrect, there is no bottom bar on unity
[22:28] <incorrect> graingert, i am still on the last minute
[22:28] <incorrect> i mean gnome classic
[22:28] <graingert> oh you took the bottom bar off that?
[22:28] <incorrect> gnome classic
[22:29] <incorrect> but you still lose a lot for the menu bar at the top and the app title bar
[22:29] <incorrect> i liked the way os7 used to do it
[22:30] <penguin42> Natty still hangs my 1000ha on shutdown
[22:30] <graingert> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mac_OS_7_6_1.png
[22:30] <graingert> ha!
[22:31] <incorrect> yes unity is simliar
[22:31] <yofel> hm, my 1000H doesn't hang, but my thinkpad takes over a minute to shutdown...
[22:32] <penguin42> yofel: It's been suggested it's wireless related (sorry it's 1001ha)
[22:33] <incorrect> moment of truth time
[22:33] <incorrect> reboot! might see you in 5
[22:33] <graingert> yofel, do you have it in the module blacklist for hibernation?
[22:35] <yofel> graingert: sorry, I don't hibernate
[22:35] <graingert> oh on shutdown
[22:35] <graingert> phreaky
[22:40] <incorrect> ah! sweet screen real estate
[22:41] <incorrect> well no brick
[22:45] <incorrect> yes unity is much better in 11.04
[22:46] <incorrect> personally i expect the side bar to scroll automatically as i move the move to the top or bottom
[22:46] <graingert> the unity launcher?
[22:46] <graingert> yes
[22:46] <graingert> although it's designed for touch inyourfaces
[22:46] <incorrect> but this is pretty good
[22:46] <incorrect> dual mode?
[22:47] <graingert> define
[22:47] <incorrect> desktop mode, touch mode
[22:47] <incorrect> oh you don't mean touch screens?
[22:47] <graingert> yeah ubuntu seem to be going for one mode
[22:47] <incorrect> well does one mode suit all platforms?
[22:47] <graingert> using the keyboard for no touchscreen
[22:47] <graingert> and the panel for touch
[22:48] <incorrect> ah
[22:48] <incorrect> i see
[22:48] <incorrect> i still expect it to scroll
[22:48] <graingert> can one install unity on fedora or debian or any other non-ubuntu machine
[22:48] <incorrect> as i move the mouse to the bottom or top
[22:49] <graingert> what happens if you use the scroll wheel?
[22:49] <incorrect> don't have one on my netbook
[22:49] <graingert> (I have never filled it)
[22:49] <graingert> but of course on a netbook I will
[22:49] <graingert> hmm
[22:49] <bjsnider> yofel, why was he using the 173?
[22:49] <incorrect> you see the icons stretch out going off screen
[22:49] <yofel> graingert: ^
[22:49] <graingert> bjsnider, becuase I upgraded before nvidia-270 came out
[22:49] <incorrect> so i think oh to reach them i should move the pointer down
[22:50] <graingert> I thought they folded up
[22:50] <incorrect> oh i can do it with the side touch thing
[22:50] <incorrect> they move around
[22:50] <graingert> side touch thing?
[22:50] <zniavre> nvidia 173 can work really ?
[22:51] <incorrect> the unity sidebar
[22:51] <graingert> yeah been on it for 10.10...
[22:51] <yofel> not that I know of
[22:51] <yofel> graingert: but not in natty, right?
[22:51] <graingert> yeah basically
[22:51] <incorrect> well i can use the touch thing, but i didn't expect to use the wheel
[22:51] <graingert> I have been on natty since alpha 1
[22:51] <zniavre> yofel, thank you i should wrongly understand the discussion
[22:51] <incorrect> ok the scroll needs to be faster
[22:52] <graingert> zniavre, should you?
[22:52] <yofel> graingert: and from when to when did you use 173?
[22:52] <graingert> then till just now
[22:52] <graingert> I'm using it but don't have it installed
[22:52] <graingert> "oohee ooohee"
[22:52] <yofel> graingert: then you should have had X hold back too
[22:52] <incorrect> weird eclipse has a resize tab at the bottom right of the eclipse start screen
[22:52] <graingert> I have had x held back
[22:53] <graingert> I have yet to upgrade x either
[22:53] <graingert> am just upgrading x now...
[22:53] <graingert> along with the nvidia-current upgrade
[22:53] <yofel> ok, that makes more sense
[22:53] <graingert> as you saw from my pastebin
[22:53] <graingert> "[+] 100% Successful
[22:53] <graingert> "
[22:53] <graingert> okay guys
[22:54] <graingert> ubuntu current is now in jocky
[22:55] <graingert> and I need to restart
[22:55] <graingert> wish me lucks!
[22:56] <incorrect> ok unity is better than gnome i like
[23:04] <incorrect> got so much screen real estate back eclipse is nearly usable on a 9" screen
[23:11] <incorrect> hang on, how did unity find my eclipse and apache directory studio install and make icons out of them?
[23:20] <incorrect> oh dear compiz crashed and reloaded
[23:22] <trism> that's weird, so did mine, just as you typed that
[23:30] <incorrect> well empathy seems ok
[23:32] <incorrect> when is the openvpn client going to be finished
[23:54] <incorrect> why aren't the notifications clickable?
[23:55] <Daekdroom> incorrect, the black boxes that float in the upper right?
[23:55] <incorrect> yes
[23:55] <yofel> if I remember the notify-osd specs right, clickable notifications are supposed to open a popup
[23:56] <yofel> as the notifications beome transparent when you hover over them
[23:56] <Daekdroom> Yeah. The transparency is for annoying as little as possible.
[23:57] <incorrect> its weird, you expect to be able to click the notification taking you to whatever wanted you to take action on an event
[23:57] <Daekdroom> I believe it's the exact opposite because they become transparent.
[23:57] <Daekdroom> If they didn't...
[23:57] <yofel> no, the notifications are information only
[23:57] <yofel> and you can click *through* them
[23:58] <incorrect> well i don't expect them to blur and go out of focus
[23:58] <yofel> well, that's how notify-osd works
[23:58] <incorrect> i don't see the logic with the blur
[23:58] <yofel> you have the indicators if you wan to take an actual action
[23:59] <Daekdroom> I don't see how better it'd be if you could click every notification that would show up.
[23:59] <yofel> incorrect: it's so that you can access what's behind them
[23:59] <yofel> as there's no way to click them away
[23:59] <ali1234> that's how notifications used to work before notify-osd
[23:59] <Daekdroom> Think about empathy/pidgin/xchat/etc spamming you with notifications.
[23:59] <Daekdroom> It could make using maximized apps very difficult.
[23:59] <yofel> ali1234: and how they still work in KDE here, which I actually prefer over notify-osd
[23:59] <ali1234> it still spams you with notifications, you just can't click on them any more