| head_victim | ikt: nice clean countdown btw | 00:58 |
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| ikt | :)) ty | 00:59 |
| ikt | I've got lubuntu on my netbook | 00:59 |
| ikt | it's still a bit slow, the hard drive is a shocker | 00:59 |
| ikt | might start looking at puppy or something even ligher | 00:59 |
| ikt | lighter* | 00:59 |
| head_victim | Ah fair enough, I've found Lubuntu is a sweet spot for P4s | 01:08 |
| head_victim | Enough stuff you don't feel like you're running something TOO cut down but still able to browse the web and stuff without crying | 01:09 |
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| ikt | head_victim, yeah that's what I try to aim for | 04:07 |
| ikt | running an uber minimalist desktop is cool until you try to do something | 04:07 |
| head_victim | Yeah uber minimalist is for when you "have to" not when "you feel like it" | 04:08 |
| head_victim | In my opinion | 04:08 |
| ikt | agreed | 04:13 |
| ikt | brb | 04:13 |
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| airtonix | ikt: i'm using this as a server http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=138_1019&products_id=13630 | 11:10 |
| airtonix | htop shows four cpus | 11:10 |
| airtonix | only downside with this motherboard is it uses sodimm ram | 11:10 |
| airtonix | oh wait | 11:11 |
| airtonix | no thats the media centeri was supposed to get | 11:11 |
| head_victim | airtonix: how would that go as a low end desktop? | 11:12 |
| head_victim | I'm thinking of ditching this P4 in favour of something that won't break every second week and will use less power. | 11:12 |
| airtonix | not sure i actually recieved this in the mail instead : http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=138_1019&products_id=15357 | 11:12 |
| head_victim | Onboard video card, even better. | 11:13 |
| airtonix | yeah ion2 is pretty good | 11:13 |
| head_victim | Would that run basic web browsing (flash included?) | 11:13 |
| airtonix | it's atom 5xx series cpu | 11:13 |
| airtonix | that alone is enough | 11:14 |
| airtonix | the ion2 gpu is crazy for its power usage | 11:14 |
| head_victim | So if I bought that, a case and some ram it would be great | 11:14 |
| airtonix | i wouldn't get that motherboard | 11:14 |
| head_victim | And it all just "works" under linux? | 11:14 |
| airtonix | well | 11:14 |
| airtonix | asus fucked up the qualified memory list | 11:14 |
| airtonix | but in general | 11:15 |
| head_victim | I'm only just starting to look into this so no idea about atoms or ions other than basics | 11:15 |
| airtonix | i had to do some legwork getting audio output through hdmi | 11:15 |
| airtonix | well let me put it this way | 11:15 |
| head_victim | Not an issue, I only use a stereo jack through a mixer to speakers | 11:15 |
| airtonix | does everything my desktop would do | 11:15 |
| airtonix | and i looked out our power bill for the last quarter | 11:16 |
| airtonix | virtually no difference compared to the same qaurter previous year | 11:16 |
| head_victim | So ion's are reasonably well supported linux wise? | 11:16 |
| airtonix | yeah | 11:16 |
| head_victim | I might buy 2 and get rid of the wife's p4 as well | 11:16 |
| airtonix | it shits all over a p4 imo | 11:16 |
| head_victim | We have quad cores with 8800gts for gaming | 11:16 |
| head_victim | Just need a "daily" on the side | 11:16 |
| airtonix | yeah but like i said | 11:17 |
| airtonix | http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=138_1019&products_id=15357 | 11:17 |
| airtonix | avoid that one | 11:17 |
| airtonix | memory it wants is virtually none existant | 11:17 |
| airtonix | won't turn on without the right ram | 11:17 |
| airtonix | but that's due to the southbridge or northbridge or some shit that asus used | 11:18 |
| head_victim | Ah ok, how does ion compare to onboard intel video? | 11:18 |
| head_victim | http://www.computeralliance.com.au/parts.aspx?qryPart=11092 something like that but with dvi | 11:18 |
| airtonix | i wouldn't even put any video stuff intel make in the same bracket as anything nvidia makes | 11:18 |
| airtonix | nah | 11:19 |
| head_victim | That's a fair call, just checking. This low power stuff is interesting but I've never had a chance to check it out. Sorry for the questions but I had my p4 in parts today and to find someone on here with experience I'm trying to pick your brain a bit | 11:19 |
| airtonix | make sure it has at least an nvidia ion1 gpu | 11:19 |
| airtonix | and then you install latest nvidia binary drivers | 11:20 |
| head_victim | I figure on board video has to be better on power than a low end video card anyway | 11:21 |
| airtonix | yeah the ion gpu is part of the motherboard | 11:21 |
| airtonix | this is the motherboard im using for a server http://www.mini-box.com.au/Jetway%20Atom%20intel%20%20N550%20NM10%20Chipset%203150%20Graphics.html | 11:21 |
| airtonix | with a 4 port sata daughterboard | 11:21 |
| airtonix | initially i used one of these as the psu | 11:22 |
| airtonix | http://www.mini-box.com.au/M3-ATX%20125w%20output.html | 11:22 |
| airtonix | and i still use one of those in the media center | 11:22 |
| airtonix | but for the server i need to support internal sata drives | 11:22 |
| head_victim | I figure if I buy http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=14571 that 15o should be enough I hope | 11:23 |
| airtonix | does it have to look good ? | 11:23 |
| ikt | *must resist urge to buy mini-itx computer* | 11:23 |
| head_victim | Hah I have all my desktops currently in a rack | 11:23 |
| head_victim | So no, looks aren't a huge factor, but for 100 bucks for a case and psu I thought it wasn't bad | 11:24 |
| airtonix | for another 35$ you can get a lian li case | 11:24 |
| airtonix | http://www.mini-box.com.au/Jetway%20Atom%20intel%20%20N550%20NM10%20Chipset%203150%20Graphics.html | 11:24 |
| airtonix | woops | 11:24 |
| head_victim | But I'm not really sure how much juice one of those would use | 11:24 |
| airtonix | http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=25_1119&products_id=16066 | 11:25 |
| airtonix | well the motherboard uses around 10w | 11:25 |
| airtonix | and you would add 20w per 3.5 drive | 11:25 |
| airtonix | since each drive uses about that on startup | 11:25 |
| head_victim | Well that one has no PSU though so it'd work out nearly double | 11:25 |
| airtonix | yeah just get a picopsu | 11:25 |
| head_victim | It would have a single hdd, single dvdrw | 11:26 |
| airtonix | save you tonnes of room | 11:26 |
| airtonix | 80w is plenty | 11:26 |
| head_victim | What am I missing, the antec one looks tiny compared to that lian li | 11:26 |
| head_victim | Ah the antec is longer not taller | 11:27 |
| airtonix | http://www.mini-box.com.au/power%20supply%20kits.html | 11:27 |
| airtonix | head_victim: yeah i bought two of these at 30$ each : http://www.mini-box.com.au/M350%20Universal%20Mini-ITX%20enclosure.html | 11:27 |
| head_victim | So yeah, it would approximately double the price of the antex | 11:27 |
| airtonix | if your monitor has mounting slots on the back those 350s are great | 11:28 |
| airtonix | but you need to use optical drives | 11:28 |
| head_victim | Nah I'm pretty well cabled up to have all the desktops sit in what used to be a wall mount comms cabinet (now a rack on wheels) between the 2 desk. | 11:28 |
| head_victim | http://www.flickr.com/photos/45015261@N04/sets/72157623060452960/ | 11:29 |
| head_victim | So I'd just put a shelf in and put them there | 11:30 |
| airtonix | with picopsus it be a whole lot more quite | 11:34 |
| airtonix | i can imagine how noisy that room is | 11:35 |
| head_victim | The other would still be quieter than a p4 | 11:35 |
| head_victim | We have music or the tv playing anytime we're in the room anyway | 11:35 |
| head_victim | I've ditched all but one of the servers. The loudest single device is the netgear 24port switch actually. | 11:35 |
| head_victim | Well it's the one I hear most | 11:36 |
| airtonix | fan? | 11:36 |
| head_victim | Yeah, it's one of their blue box "real" pieces of hardware so noise wasn't a factor in it's design. Think server rooms. | 11:37 |
| head_victim | But if I get 2 low power PCs in that cabinet I can probably hang the door again (temperatures were stopping me now) so that would reduce the noise as well | 11:38 |
| airtonix | yeah i recently modified my built in robes top section to be a server cabinet, installed air ducting and an inline extraction fan to pump out hot air into the attics venting | 11:39 |
| airtonix | i had to hang the fan from the rafters on spirngs | 11:39 |
| head_victim | Nice work, the goal is to air con this room one day but hasn't happened yet | 11:39 |
| head_victim | And this room is on the other side of the house from the bedroom so doesn't really affect sleep | 11:40 |
| airtonix | so you'd be getting ducted air conditioning? | 11:40 |
| head_victim | Nah I am thinking a split system in here and a split system in the bedroom. The rest of the house has really good airflow already. It's a heavily renovated Qld'er | 11:41 |
| head_victim | The ceilings are 3.5m for starters | 11:41 |
| head_victim | The bedroom and this study are sort of cut off from the air flow though so if I air con these 2 (the rooms we use most anyway) we should be fine | 11:41 |
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