[00:58] <head_victim> ikt: nice clean countdown btw
[00:59] <ikt> :)) ty
[00:59] <ikt> I've got lubuntu on my netbook
[00:59] <ikt> it's still a bit slow, the hard drive is a shocker
[00:59] <ikt> might start looking at puppy or something even ligher
[00:59] <ikt> lighter*
[01:08] <head_victim> Ah fair enough, I've found Lubuntu is a sweet spot for P4s
[01:09] <head_victim> Enough stuff you don't feel like you're running something TOO cut down but still able to browse the web and stuff without crying
[04:07] <ikt> head_victim, yeah that's what I try to aim for
[04:07] <ikt> running an uber minimalist desktop is cool until you try to do something
[04:08] <head_victim> Yeah uber minimalist is for when you "have to" not when "you feel like it"
[04:08] <head_victim> In my opinion
[04:13] <ikt> agreed
[04:13] <ikt> brb
[11:10] <airtonix> ikt: i'm using this as a server http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=138_1019&products_id=13630
[11:10] <airtonix> htop shows four cpus
[11:10] <airtonix> only downside with this motherboard is it uses sodimm ram
[11:11] <airtonix> oh wait
[11:11] <airtonix> no thats the media centeri was supposed to get
[11:12] <head_victim> airtonix: how would that go as a low end desktop?
[11:12] <head_victim> I'm thinking of ditching this P4 in favour of something that won't break every second week and will use less power.
[11:12] <airtonix> not sure i actually recieved this in the mail instead : http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=138_1019&products_id=15357
[11:13] <head_victim> Onboard video card, even better.
[11:13] <airtonix> yeah ion2 is pretty good
[11:13] <head_victim> Would that run basic web browsing (flash included?)
[11:13] <airtonix> it's atom 5xx series cpu
[11:14] <airtonix> that alone is enough
[11:14] <airtonix> the ion2 gpu is crazy for its power usage
[11:14] <head_victim> So if I bought that, a case and some ram it would be great
[11:14] <airtonix> i wouldn't get that motherboard
[11:14] <head_victim> And it all just "works" under linux?
[11:14] <airtonix> well
[11:14] <airtonix> asus fucked up the qualified memory list
[11:15] <airtonix> but in general
[11:15] <head_victim> I'm only just starting to look into this so no idea about atoms or ions other than basics
[11:15] <airtonix> i had to do some legwork getting audio output through hdmi
[11:15] <airtonix> well let me put it this way
[11:15] <head_victim> Not an issue, I only use a stereo jack through a mixer to speakers
[11:15] <airtonix> does everything my desktop would do
[11:16] <airtonix> and i looked out our power bill for the last quarter
[11:16] <airtonix> virtually no difference compared to the same qaurter previous year
[11:16] <head_victim> So ion's are reasonably well supported linux wise?
[11:16] <airtonix> yeah
[11:16] <head_victim> I might buy 2 and get rid of the wife's p4 as well
[11:16] <airtonix> it shits all over a p4 imo
[11:16] <head_victim> We have quad cores with 8800gts for gaming
[11:16] <head_victim> Just need a "daily" on the side
[11:17] <airtonix> yeah but like i said 
[11:17] <airtonix> http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=138_1019&products_id=15357
[11:17] <airtonix> avoid that one
[11:17] <airtonix> memory it wants is virtually none existant
[11:17] <airtonix> won't turn on without the right ram
[11:18] <airtonix> but that's due to the southbridge or northbridge or some shit that asus used 
[11:18] <head_victim> Ah ok, how does ion compare to onboard intel video?
[11:18] <head_victim> http://www.computeralliance.com.au/parts.aspx?qryPart=11092 something like that but with dvi
[11:18] <airtonix> i wouldn't even put any video stuff intel make in the same bracket as anything nvidia makes
[11:19] <airtonix> nah
[11:19] <head_victim> That's a fair call, just checking. This low power stuff is interesting but I've never had a chance to check it out. Sorry for the questions but I had my p4 in parts today and to find someone on here with experience I'm trying to pick your brain a bit
[11:19] <airtonix> make sure it has at least an nvidia ion1 gpu
[11:20] <airtonix> and then you install latest nvidia binary drivers
[11:21] <head_victim> I figure on board video has to be better on power than a low end video card anyway
[11:21] <airtonix> yeah the ion gpu is part of the motherboard
[11:21] <airtonix> this is the motherboard im using for a server http://www.mini-box.com.au/Jetway%20Atom%20intel%20%20N550%20NM10%20Chipset%203150%20Graphics.html
[11:21] <airtonix> with a 4 port sata daughterboard
[11:22] <airtonix> initially i used one of these as the psu
[11:22] <airtonix> http://www.mini-box.com.au/M3-ATX%20125w%20output.html
[11:22] <airtonix> and i still use one of those in the media center
[11:22] <airtonix> but for the server i need to support internal sata drives
[11:23] <head_victim> I figure if I buy http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=14571 that 15o should be enough I hope
[11:23] <airtonix> does it have to look good ? 
[11:23] <ikt> *must resist urge to buy mini-itx computer*
[11:23] <head_victim> Hah I have all my desktops currently in a rack
[11:24] <head_victim> So no, looks aren't a huge factor, but for 100 bucks for a case and psu I thought it wasn't bad
[11:24] <airtonix> for another 35$ you can get a lian li case
[11:24] <airtonix> http://www.mini-box.com.au/Jetway%20Atom%20intel%20%20N550%20NM10%20Chipset%203150%20Graphics.html
[11:24] <airtonix> woops
[11:24] <head_victim> But I'm not really sure how much juice one of those would use
[11:25] <airtonix> http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=25_1119&products_id=16066
[11:25] <airtonix> well the motherboard uses around 10w
[11:25] <airtonix> and you would add 20w per 3.5 drive
[11:25] <airtonix> since each drive uses about that on startup
[11:25] <head_victim> Well that one has no PSU though so it'd work out nearly double
[11:25] <airtonix> yeah just get a picopsu
[11:26] <head_victim> It would have a single hdd, single dvdrw
[11:26] <airtonix> save you tonnes of room
[11:26] <airtonix> 80w is plenty
[11:26] <head_victim> What am I missing, the antec one looks tiny compared to that lian li
[11:27] <head_victim> Ah the antec is longer not taller
[11:27] <airtonix> http://www.mini-box.com.au/power%20supply%20kits.html
[11:27] <airtonix> head_victim: yeah i bought two of these at 30$ each : http://www.mini-box.com.au/M350%20Universal%20Mini-ITX%20enclosure.html
[11:27] <head_victim> So yeah, it would approximately double the price of the antex
[11:28] <airtonix> if your monitor has mounting slots on the back those 350s are great
[11:28] <airtonix> but you need to use optical drives
[11:28] <head_victim> Nah I'm pretty well cabled up to have all the desktops sit in what used to be a wall mount comms cabinet (now a rack on wheels) between the 2 desk.
[11:29] <head_victim> http://www.flickr.com/photos/45015261@N04/sets/72157623060452960/
[11:30] <head_victim> So I'd just put a shelf in and put them there
[11:34] <airtonix> with picopsus it be a whole lot more quite
[11:35] <airtonix> i can imagine how noisy that room is
[11:35] <head_victim> The other would still be quieter than a p4
[11:35] <head_victim> We have music or the tv playing anytime we're in the room anyway
[11:35] <head_victim> I've ditched all but one of the servers. The loudest single device is the netgear 24port switch actually.
[11:36] <head_victim> Well it's the one I hear most 
[11:36] <airtonix> fan?
[11:37] <head_victim> Yeah, it's one of their blue box "real" pieces of hardware so noise wasn't a factor in it's design. Think server rooms.
[11:38] <head_victim> But if I get 2 low power PCs in that cabinet I can probably hang the door again (temperatures were stopping me now) so that would reduce the noise as well
[11:39] <airtonix> yeah i recently modified my built in robes top section to be a server cabinet, installed air ducting and an inline extraction fan to pump out hot air into the attics venting
[11:39] <airtonix> i had to hang the fan from the rafters on spirngs
[11:39] <head_victim> Nice work, the goal is to air con this room one day but hasn't happened yet
[11:40] <head_victim> And this room is on the other side of the house from the bedroom so doesn't really affect sleep
[11:40] <airtonix> so you'd be getting ducted air conditioning?
[11:41] <head_victim> Nah I am thinking a split system in here and a split system in the bedroom. The rest of the house has really good airflow already. It's a heavily renovated Qld'er
[11:41] <head_victim> The ceilings are 3.5m for starters
[11:41] <head_victim> The bedroom and this study are sort of cut off from the air flow though so if I air con these 2 (the rooms we use most anyway) we should be fine