[00:58] ikt: nice clean countdown btw [00:59] :)) ty [00:59] I've got lubuntu on my netbook [00:59] it's still a bit slow, the hard drive is a shocker [00:59] might start looking at puppy or something even ligher [00:59] lighter* [01:08] Ah fair enough, I've found Lubuntu is a sweet spot for P4s [01:09] Enough stuff you don't feel like you're running something TOO cut down but still able to browse the web and stuff without crying === head_v is now known as head_victim [04:07] head_victim, yeah that's what I try to aim for [04:07] running an uber minimalist desktop is cool until you try to do something [04:08] Yeah uber minimalist is for when you "have to" not when "you feel like it" [04:08] In my opinion [04:13] agreed [04:13] brb === nisshh_linux is now known as nisshh === iflema_ is now known as iflema [11:10] ikt: i'm using this as a server http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=138_1019&products_id=13630 [11:10] htop shows four cpus [11:10] only downside with this motherboard is it uses sodimm ram [11:11] oh wait [11:11] no thats the media centeri was supposed to get [11:12] airtonix: how would that go as a low end desktop? [11:12] I'm thinking of ditching this P4 in favour of something that won't break every second week and will use less power. [11:12] not sure i actually recieved this in the mail instead : http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=138_1019&products_id=15357 [11:13] Onboard video card, even better. [11:13] yeah ion2 is pretty good [11:13] Would that run basic web browsing (flash included?) [11:13] it's atom 5xx series cpu [11:14] that alone is enough [11:14] the ion2 gpu is crazy for its power usage [11:14] So if I bought that, a case and some ram it would be great [11:14] i wouldn't get that motherboard [11:14] And it all just "works" under linux? [11:14] well [11:14] asus fucked up the qualified memory list [11:15] but in general [11:15] I'm only just starting to look into this so no idea about atoms or ions other than basics [11:15] i had to do some legwork getting audio output through hdmi [11:15] well let me put it this way [11:15] Not an issue, I only use a stereo jack through a mixer to speakers [11:15] does everything my desktop would do [11:16] and i looked out our power bill for the last quarter [11:16] virtually no difference compared to the same qaurter previous year [11:16] So ion's are reasonably well supported linux wise? [11:16] yeah [11:16] I might buy 2 and get rid of the wife's p4 as well [11:16] it shits all over a p4 imo [11:16] We have quad cores with 8800gts for gaming [11:16] Just need a "daily" on the side [11:17] yeah but like i said [11:17] http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=138_1019&products_id=15357 [11:17] avoid that one [11:17] memory it wants is virtually none existant [11:17] won't turn on without the right ram [11:18] but that's due to the southbridge or northbridge or some shit that asus used [11:18] Ah ok, how does ion compare to onboard intel video? [11:18] http://www.computeralliance.com.au/parts.aspx?qryPart=11092 something like that but with dvi [11:18] i wouldn't even put any video stuff intel make in the same bracket as anything nvidia makes [11:19] nah [11:19] That's a fair call, just checking. This low power stuff is interesting but I've never had a chance to check it out. Sorry for the questions but I had my p4 in parts today and to find someone on here with experience I'm trying to pick your brain a bit [11:19] make sure it has at least an nvidia ion1 gpu [11:20] and then you install latest nvidia binary drivers [11:21] I figure on board video has to be better on power than a low end video card anyway [11:21] yeah the ion gpu is part of the motherboard [11:21] this is the motherboard im using for a server http://www.mini-box.com.au/Jetway%20Atom%20intel%20%20N550%20NM10%20Chipset%203150%20Graphics.html [11:21] with a 4 port sata daughterboard [11:22] initially i used one of these as the psu [11:22] http://www.mini-box.com.au/M3-ATX%20125w%20output.html [11:22] and i still use one of those in the media center [11:22] but for the server i need to support internal sata drives [11:23] I figure if I buy http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=14571 that 15o should be enough I hope [11:23] does it have to look good ? [11:23] *must resist urge to buy mini-itx computer* [11:23] Hah I have all my desktops currently in a rack [11:24] So no, looks aren't a huge factor, but for 100 bucks for a case and psu I thought it wasn't bad [11:24] for another 35$ you can get a lian li case [11:24] http://www.mini-box.com.au/Jetway%20Atom%20intel%20%20N550%20NM10%20Chipset%203150%20Graphics.html [11:24] woops [11:24] But I'm not really sure how much juice one of those would use [11:25] http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=25_1119&products_id=16066 [11:25] well the motherboard uses around 10w [11:25] and you would add 20w per 3.5 drive [11:25] since each drive uses about that on startup [11:25] Well that one has no PSU though so it'd work out nearly double [11:25] yeah just get a picopsu [11:26] It would have a single hdd, single dvdrw [11:26] save you tonnes of room [11:26] 80w is plenty [11:26] What am I missing, the antec one looks tiny compared to that lian li [11:27] Ah the antec is longer not taller [11:27] http://www.mini-box.com.au/power%20supply%20kits.html [11:27] head_victim: yeah i bought two of these at 30$ each : http://www.mini-box.com.au/M350%20Universal%20Mini-ITX%20enclosure.html [11:27] So yeah, it would approximately double the price of the antex [11:28] if your monitor has mounting slots on the back those 350s are great [11:28] but you need to use optical drives [11:28] Nah I'm pretty well cabled up to have all the desktops sit in what used to be a wall mount comms cabinet (now a rack on wheels) between the 2 desk. [11:29] http://www.flickr.com/photos/45015261@N04/sets/72157623060452960/ [11:30] So I'd just put a shelf in and put them there [11:34] with picopsus it be a whole lot more quite [11:35] i can imagine how noisy that room is [11:35] The other would still be quieter than a p4 [11:35] We have music or the tv playing anytime we're in the room anyway [11:35] I've ditched all but one of the servers. The loudest single device is the netgear 24port switch actually. [11:36] Well it's the one I hear most [11:36] fan? [11:37] Yeah, it's one of their blue box "real" pieces of hardware so noise wasn't a factor in it's design. Think server rooms. [11:38] But if I get 2 low power PCs in that cabinet I can probably hang the door again (temperatures were stopping me now) so that would reduce the noise as well [11:39] yeah i recently modified my built in robes top section to be a server cabinet, installed air ducting and an inline extraction fan to pump out hot air into the attics venting [11:39] i had to hang the fan from the rafters on spirngs [11:39] Nice work, the goal is to air con this room one day but hasn't happened yet [11:40] And this room is on the other side of the house from the bedroom so doesn't really affect sleep [11:40] so you'd be getting ducted air conditioning? [11:41] Nah I am thinking a split system in here and a split system in the bedroom. The rest of the house has really good airflow already. It's a heavily renovated Qld'er [11:41] The ceilings are 3.5m for starters [11:41] The bedroom and this study are sort of cut off from the air flow though so if I air con these 2 (the rooms we use most anyway) we should be fine === iflema is now known as Guest97287