[03:39] <zkriesse> Apparently I missed a meeting eh?
[03:42] <godbyk> zkriesse: Nope, hasn't happened yet.
[03:42] <godbyk> It'll happen at Saturday at 20:00 UTC.
[03:42] <zkriesse> ah
[03:42] <zkriesse> jasono: was asking me if it did is why
[03:43] <jasono> :O
[03:43] <jasono> sorry zkriesse I got the days mixed up.
[03:43] <godbyk> No problem. :)
[03:43] <zkriesse> it's cool
[03:43] <zkriesse> Ok, have to run
[03:43] <jasono> I  was freaking out for no reason then!
[03:43] <godbyk> Better to be a day early than a day late, right?
[03:43] <zkriesse> Trying to put in job apps
[03:43] <jasono> godbyk I guess. Do you know who won the election by any chance? ;)
[03:44] <godbyk> jasono: Election?  For the editor-in-chief and project leader positions?
[03:44] <godbyk> We will be voting on that during the meeting.
[03:44] <jasono> zkriesse Interesting that you leave every time I'm done speaking to you.
[03:44] <jasono> godbyk Yes
[03:44] <zkriesse> Lol sorry bro but it just happens i guess
[03:44] <jasono> godbyk Oh :(
[10:20] <MichealH> Hi all
[10:21] <MichealH> The meeting is at... 8:00 PM UTC?
[11:25] <Infosoft> Hey everyone! Who is responsible for ubuntu-manual.org translations coordination?
[19:56] <hannie> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UbuntuManualMeetingMarch2011-2
[19:57] <hannie> Is this url ok?
[19:57] <hannie> Server not found
[19:57] <c7p1> it doesn't work for me
[19:57] <c7p1> http://ietherpad.com/UbuntuManualMeetingMarch2011-2
[19:57] <c7p1> check the above link
[19:57] <popey> works for me
[19:57] <hannie> ok, thanks
[19:59] <c7p1> due to technical issues i think we will use the ietherpad link which is accessible to everyone (until now)
[20:00] <hannie> btw, good evening everybody
[20:01] <c7p1> hello all, meeting will start within the next 10 minutes
[20:02] <hannie> In the meantime I'll read info Fosburgh
[20:02] <godbyk> We'll be starting the meeting in just a few minutes.
[20:02] <godbyk> (We like to give a few minutes for the stragglers to arrive.)
[20:03] <daker> o/
[20:03] <godbyk> If you'd like, you can read the meeting agenda here: http://ietherpad.com/UbuntuManualMeetingMarch2011-2
[20:03] <godbyk> You can also start looking at the emails and resumes we received from the 'job' applicants here: http://kevin.godby.org/private/ubuntu-manual/jobs/
[20:03] <godbyk> Hello, daker and hannie.
[20:03] <shrini> hello godbyk
[20:04] <shrini> hello c7p1
[20:04] <daker> hello godbyk c7p1 shrini hannie popey
[20:04] <shrini> happy to see you all after a long time
[20:04] <hannie> daker, hello
[20:06] <popey> hi
[20:06] <MichealH> Sorry I'm a little late o/
[20:06] <MichealH> What have I missed?
[20:06] <godbyk> MichealH: Nothing yet. We'll be starting in just a couple minutes.
[20:06] <MichealH> godbyk, Okies
[20:06] <MichealH> :)
[20:08] <daker> Earth Hour in 30min ツ who's going to turn off the lights ?
[20:08] <godbyk> daker: Well, it's the middle of the afternoon here, so it wouldn't help much. :)
[20:08] <MichealH> I hopefull will If my sister lets me  :P
[20:09] <hannie> Tonight we loose one hour here (summertime)
[20:09] <c7p1> let the computer screen light your room !
[20:09] <beginer> shrini ya just got me
[20:09] <godbyk> hannie: We started summer time a couple weeks ago.
[20:09] <daker> godbyk, shutdown your servers :D
[20:09] <MichealH> Oh yeah, its BST for me tommorow
[20:09] <godbyk> daker: Never! ;-)
[20:10] <godbyk> Okay, I think we can get started now.
[20:10] <godbyk> #startmeeting
[20:10] <MootBot> Meeting started at 15:10. The chair is godbyk.
[20:10] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[20:10] <godbyk> Hello, MootBot, my old friend.
[20:10] <MichealH> Hi o/
[20:10] <godbyk> [TOPIC] Discuss turning the 'project leader' role into a marketing and recuiting team role.
[20:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  Discuss turning the 'project leader' role into a marketing and recuiting team role.
[20:11] <c7p1> before all agenda http://ietherpad.com/UbuntuManualMeetingMarch2011-2
[20:11] <godbyk> Ah, yes. Thanks, c7p1.
[20:11] <godbyk> We had to move the agenda page because the previous pad server went offline.
[20:12] <godbyk> We had two people apply for the project leader role and four apply for the editor in chief role.
[20:12] <godbyk> Since there were only two applicants for the project leader role, we were considering just having both of them join forces and form a marketing/recruiting/etc. team.
[20:12] <MichealH> godbyk, Its okay, as long as we have the Etherpad :)
[20:13] <godbyk> But I wanted to get your thoughts on that first.  I'd like to hear from the applicants on this, too.
[20:13] <godbyk> Any thoughts?
[20:13] <beginer> nope
[20:13] <MichealH> godbyk, As I have worked with Jason, and have been asked to do so by my UBT Master, i think it would be great
[20:13] <Teotw> although not applying for the project leader role, I think it's a good idea
[20:13] <popey> I'd be interested in seeing what work both jason and michael have completed for the ubuntu project
[20:14] <popey> i.e. not stuff that's been started, but _completed_
[20:14] <MichealH> Unfortunalty It seems Jason is not here... :(
[20:14] <godbyk> While we discuss this, everyone is welcome to read the emails and resumes submitted by the applicants: http://kevin.godby.org/private/ubuntu-manual/jobs/
[20:15] <hannie> I'm busy reading them now
[20:15] <godbyk> Okay, I'll ask a slightly more pointed question then: Is anyone *against* the idea of turning the 'project leader' role into a marketing/recruitment/etc. team?
[20:15] <MichealH> I would not mind :P
[20:16] <c7p1> to candidates: if you could add you name next to your nickname in the pad/agenda, that would be very helpful for everyone
[20:16] <hannie> can you explain a bit more about that?
[20:16] <MichealH> As my UBT Master has indeed taught me the art of 'kidnapping' people and other important stuff, I can do some of that already
[20:17] <shrini> what will be the roles and duties?
[20:17] <MichealH> c7p1, Where shall I put it?
[20:17] <godbyk> The roles we posted are shown here: http://ubuntu-manual.org/jobs
[20:17] <MichealH> I have my Nick next to my name in the pad names list
[20:17] <c7p1> MichealH: http://ietherpad.com/UbuntuManualMeetingMarch2011-2
[20:17] <MichealH> c7p1, I mean, where in the document?
[20:18] <beginer> hey jasono ? is that you>?
[20:18] <godbyk> The project leader's primary responsibilities are to promote the project and help recruit new members.
[20:18] <MichealH> Hi Jason :D
[20:18] <jasono> Hi beginer Yes it is, sorry I'm late.
[20:18] <jasono> Hey MichealH
[20:18] <godbyk> jasono: No problem.
[20:18] <MichealH> godbyk, As I said, my UBT Master has helped me perfect that art :)
[20:19] <godbyk> jasono: We were just discussing the idea of turning the 'project leader' role into a marketing/recruitment team for both you and MichealH.  Do you have any objections?
[20:19] <beginer> jasono just chill
[20:20] <jasono> godbyk I have no problem with that. Care to explain more?
[20:20] <MichealH> jasono, I would love us both to work on UM together
[20:20] <jasono> beginer Sure.
[20:20] <jasono> MichealH I'm willing.
[20:20] <godbyk> jasono: Sure. You and MichealH were the only two applicants for that role.  Instead of electing just one of you, we thought we might coerce the two of you into working together.
[20:21]  * popey wonders if his question will get addressed.
[20:21] <godbyk> So effectively, jasono and MichealH would be sharing the role and working together.
[20:21] <MichealH> Im perfectly willing :)
[20:22] <MichealH> (as long as Jason is)
[20:22]  * shrini claps
[20:22] <godbyk> popey: You might re-ask it since jasono is here now.
[20:22] <popey> 20:13:59 < popey> I'd be interested in seeing what work both jason and michael have completed for the ubuntu project
[20:22] <popey> 20:14:06 < popey> i.e. not stuff that's been started, but _completed_
[20:22] <jasono>  MichealH of course.
[20:22] <beginer> lol
[20:22] <c7p1> in other words you will both work both in a team that has as it's main goal to promote the project, attract new members
[20:23] <MichealH> c7p1, Yeah, I understood :)
[20:23] <c7p1> that's what we called "marketing team" on previous meeting, at least that was the idea
[20:24] <jasono> popey I honestly have no completed work.
[20:24] <popey> thanks jasono
[20:25] <MichealH> Me and Jason were going to start a IRC Bot, but as SpeechControl was pushed upstream and so was the SII, we could not start it as
[20:25] <MichealH> Alot of work was put int o start work, though
[20:25] <MichealH> s/int o/into
[20:25] <MichealH> and also, we had thought again about the IRCBot
[20:26] <MichealH> Leaving our work ready to start, but not completed.
[20:26] <c7p1> so i guess we are done with this topic, if so we should move on
[20:26] <shrini> what will that bot do?
[20:26] <c7p1> is there anything else ?
[20:26] <shrini> ok
[20:26] <shrini> we can move on
[20:26] <MichealH> shrini, It was going to help people with Hearing and Sight problems
[20:26] <shrini> awesome
[20:26] <MichealH> It was gonna help them IRC :)
[20:27] <jasono> I'm also helping out with BrowserSpeak https://launchpad.net/browserspeak/
[20:27] <MichealH> c7p1, Totally doe here :)
[20:27] <MichealH> *done
[20:27] <godbyk> Okay, it sounds like both MichealH and jasono are willing to work together as a marketing and recruitment team.
[20:27] <MichealH> godbyk, Indeed we are
[20:27] <jasono> A little similar to the one MichealH and I are doing, but it's a Chrom(ium)e extension.
[20:28] <godbyk> [ACTION] MichaelH and jasono will work together on a newly formed marketing/recruitment team to promote the Ubuntu Manual Project and help recruit new team members.
[20:28] <MootBot> ACTION received:  MichaelH and jasono will work together on a newly formed marketing/recruitment team to promote the Ubuntu Manual Project and help recruit new team members.
[20:28]  * jasono Awesome. 
[20:28] <godbyk> [TOPIC] Editor in chief
[20:28] <MootBot> New Topic:  Editor in chief
[20:28] <godbyk> Next up, we'll take a look at the editor in chief applicants.
[20:28] <godbyk> You can view the emails and resumes from those applicants here: http://kevin.godby.org/private/ubuntu-manual/jobs/
[20:29] <godbyk> If any of the editor applicants are present and would like to talk about their background and how they'd like to contribute to the project, feel free.
[20:30] <godbyk> We'll take a few minutes to chat with any present applicants and review the emails.
[20:30] <Teotw> Shall I go first, or does anyone else want to?
[20:30] <rickfosb> Sure My name is Rick Fosburgh.  I'm a Senior Specialist with AT&T responsible for Service Metric and Capacity results.   I have led efforts to design and implement software, primarily in C and CSQL.  I've also led the team responsible for documentation of those software development projects.
[20:31] <rickfosb> Teotw Sorry..  I hit send about the time I saw your remark.
[20:31] <Teotw> Hey no problem
[20:31] <rickfosb> Until recently, I've been an avid Ubuntu user.  Rather than spending time in development, I  felt a role in editing the Ubuntu Manual would be a good fit.  However, I look forward to working with this team in any capacity you see fit.
[20:31] <rickfosb> Thanks! for the opportunity.
[20:31] <godbyk> Thanks, rickfosb!
[20:31] <godbyk> Teotw: Feel free to jump in.
[20:31] <shrini> Thanks for the interest guys
[20:33] <Teotw> Ok then, my name is Daniel Duncan. I have a grade A in both English & English literature. I have also 100% in Design and Technology GCSE. Those are my only achievements (in this general area) but then again I'm only 17.
[20:33] <shrini> :-)
[20:34] <Teotw> I have been in an avid Ubuntu user for several years now, and have only helped a little in the Ubuntu community
[20:34] <Teotw> which is the main reason I wish to have this role, as I have a strong desire to give something back.
[20:35] <Teotw> (Next applicant can go!)
[20:35] <c7p1> thanks Teotw
[20:35] <godbyk> Are there any other editor in chief applicants here?
[20:36] <godbyk> Anyone present should feel free to ask questions of the applicants.
[20:37] <MichealH> Teotw, As Editor in Cheif, what will you do to make sure all manuals are "ship-shape" as I could put it before release?
[20:37] <MichealH> Would you test them personally? Or would you dedicate a team for testing?
[20:38] <Teotw> Well, even though it is potentially long winded, one thing would be to go through the manual as a new user to Ubuntu, testing them out on my guinea-pig laptop
[20:38] <Teotw> and from there check factual accuracy, how readable it is, spelling, as well.
[20:39] <MichealH> You would give it some sort of quality mark for each section?
[20:39] <MichealH> So the more questions a new user could ask, the less of a quality mark it would get?
[20:39] <Teotw> Yes,
[20:39] <Teotw> A quality mark, and comments.
[20:40] <godbyk> For both rickfosb and Teotw: It takes a number of months (and a lot of hours) to complete an edition of the manual.  Do you foresee any problems with being able to dedicate the time required (especially over the long term)?
[20:40] <Teotw> I see no reason not to be able to dedicate the time required (unless there's a coffee shortage!)
[20:40] <MichealH> Teotw, hehe ;)
[20:40] <Teotw> ;P
[20:41] <shrini> how will you manage translations?
[20:41] <hannie> Is the job not more about delegating others?
[20:41] <rickfosb> godbyk I do have a day job.  But this is the type of work that adds 'spice' to your life.  I'll put in the hours. :)
[20:41] <godbyk> Please note that we don't provide coffee. :-)
[20:41] <Teotw> godbyk: Lmao
[20:41] <MichealH> godbyk, heh, You provide your own coffee :P
[20:41] <Teotw> shrini, hannie: Are the questions directed at both of us?
[20:42] <shrini> yes
[20:42] <hannie> in general
[20:42] <rickfosb> I find that extra eye are always good to have on documentation.  However, prior to a release, the ultimate responsibility should fall to the EIC.  I would expect that I'd spend those final hours review the work of the team and checking the work.
[20:42] <hannie> You must let others do the work!
[20:42] <MichealH> Teotw, How would you communicate with the Leaders, at what times would you come to us to ask us a favour?
[20:42] <godbyk> hannie: A lot of delegation is involved, yes.  But we definitely want someone who will stick around throughout the entire release cycle.
[20:42] <Teotw> shrini: translations will be managed by finding and delegating people for translations.
[20:43] <hannie> godbyk, yes, but it takes special skills to delegate
[20:43] <rickfosb> shrini I'm new to this part of the process, however,  I would expect to work closely with those team members to ensure that the output document shares the same look and feel of the original.
[20:43] <Teotw> MichaelH: IRC, skype, email, msn and from 7:00pm to 11:00 pm weekdays, and probably not the weekend
[20:43] <shrini> great
[20:44] <shrini> look and feel is same as we use latex
[20:44] <shrini> for typesetting
[20:44] <c7p1> please give some time to candidates to answer :)
[20:45] <MichealH> Teotw, That in UTC?
[20:45] <Teotw> yes, sorry, probably should have mentioned that!
[20:45] <MichealH> Okay, I am on UTC :)
[20:45] <MichealH> Not too sure about jasono, though
[20:46] <Teotw> For any other timezones, I might make a delay to emails, or something
[20:46] <c7p1> i would like to ask both applicants if they will work for the project despite of not being electing as Editor in Chief
[20:46] <c7p1> elected*
[20:47] <Teotw> I don't mind what I do, though my preference is definitely Editor in Chief
[20:47] <jasono> MichealH: UTC-4:00
[20:47] <rickfosb> Per my opening, I'll continue to work with the team.  And am looking forward to this.  :-)
[20:48] <MichealH> jasono, Wanna ask any quesions to the EIC candidates?
[20:48] <jasono> MchealH Sure.
[20:49] <MichealH> rickfosb, Again, If you ever needed to contact me or Jason, how and when would you do it?
[20:49] <MichealH> How often would you ask us something, or suggest something that will be benificial to your team?
[20:50] <jasono> Teotw How much time are you willing to spend too be EIC?-What will you do to make sure everything is well and up to date?
[20:50] <rickfosb> It would depend on time sensitivity.  Email is at your discretion.  I do have access to skype, etc. as well as a 'generous' phone allowance  :)    I intend to minimize impact to your life while getting the job done.
[20:51] <Teotw> jasono: I would willing to be EIC as long as you would like me too - I would spend as much time as possible (I can't say how many hours per day, my guess is a few),
[20:51] <godbyk> We'll start voting in about five minutes to give everyone time to get their questions answered and to finish reading the applications.
[20:51] <rickfosb> My current responsibilities allow me to work various hours, at my discretion.  This gives me the opportunity to keep up to date with your progress, etc.
[20:52] <godbyk> Teotw and rickfosb: Do you have any questions for us about the editor in chief role or any of its duties?
[20:52] <Teotw> I don't think so
[20:53] <rickfosb> Sure:  How many folks have been involved in the actual manual in the past?  How many 'writers' should we expect to be involved this time?
[20:53] <hannie> Teotw, rickfosb have you given translating the Manual a thought?
[20:54] <godbyk> rickfosb: In the past, we had assigned one or more authors to each chapter, and one editor to each chapter.  Usually the chapter editors covered multiple chapters.
[20:55] <Teotw> hannie: no, sorry - do you mean getting people to translate it? I know a few people who *might* be interested - though that's a big might
[20:55] <rickfosb> I have some 'limited' Spanish skills. So, I've only thought about how to use vi and text editors to manipulate provided translations.
[20:55] <Teotw> (that's into Spanish, by the way)
[20:55] <godbyk> rickfosb: The number of authors is hard to determine as anyone can commit code, but I'd guess that we had less than a dozen primary authors.
[20:56] <rickfosb> godbyk; thanks.
[20:56] <Teotw> I have, by the way, limited French skills (B GCSE) and um, well, I'm currently learning Ancient Greek
[20:56] <Teotw> Though that's probably not helpful!
[20:56] <godbyk> rickfosb: When it comes to translators, the number varies wildly from language to language.  Some of the languages had a dozen or more translators, while others only had two or three.
[20:58] <rickfosb> I saw some work come in this week.  I expect that merging those documents 'might' be a challenge, but again, with latex as your guide,  seems doable.
[20:58] <hannie> Teotw, I meant getting translation teams involved
[20:58] <c7p1> Teotw: i don't think there are many who will read the manual in Ancient Greek :P
[20:58] <Teotw> c7p1: Well, you never know :P
[20:59] <c7p1> regarding the translations EiC hasn't any responsibility on them, right godbyk ?
[21:00] <Teotw> hannie: Ah! I see!
[21:00] <Teotw> hannie: shall I re-answer?
[21:00] <hannie> maybe it is not one of the tasks for the eic
[21:00] <godbyk> c7p1: Not directly.  We have a translation editor who is in change of managing each translated edition.  The translation editors are basically equivalent to the editor in chief of the primary English edition.
[21:01] <c7p1> thanks for making it clear :)
[21:02] <godbyk> Okay, so let me explain how to vote.  [This ought to be entertaining.]
[21:02] <godbyk> [TOPIC] Elect an editor in chief
[21:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  Elect an editor in chief
[21:03] <godbyk> We have four applicants: Fosburgh (rickfosb), Humnabadkar, Burgos, and Duncan (Teotw).
[21:04] <godbyk> We'll be voting using the instant-runoff method (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting).
[21:04] <godbyk> Anyone can vote.
[21:04] <hannie> Can we vote when only two of the applicants are present?
[21:04] <godbyk> To vote, you'll need to rearrange the four names in the order of preference, most preferred applicant's name first.
[21:05] <godbyk> hannie: Yes.  They're not required to attend, though we did invite everyone.
[21:05] <MichealH> godbyk, Cant we just [VOTE] and count the +1's?
[21:05] <MichealH> :P
[21:06] <godbyk> MichealH: We considered that, but this method avoids ties and revotes.
[21:06] <MichealH> Okies
[21:06] <MichealH> I will look up xP
[21:06] <godbyk> For example, if you preferred ApplicantB over ApplicantA, you'd say: godbyk: ApplicantB ApplicantA.
[21:07] <godbyk> Any questions on the voting procedure?
[21:07] <jasono> No.
[21:07] <MichealH> godbyk, Out of the people attended today:  Teotw, rickfosb
[21:08] <godbyk> MichealH: You can vote for all four applicants (not just Teotw and rickfosb).
[21:08] <MichealH> I see that Teotw would work alot, so would rickfosb
[21:08] <godbyk> List all four applicant's names in order of preference.
[21:08] <hannie> You want us to put the four names in order of preference?
[21:08] <godbyk> hannie: Yes.
[21:10] <godbyk> When you've figured out your preferences, let me know and I will keep a tally.
[21:10] <godbyk> We will close the voting in 10 minutes (at 21:20 UTC).
[21:10] <godbyk> If you have any questions, please let me know.
[21:11] <hannie> It's not a secret vote, is it?
[21:11] <godbyk> hannie: Good question.
[21:12] <MichealH> I have made my vote
[21:12] <godbyk> Do we want all votes to be public or should we allow anonymous votes?
[21:12] <MichealH> godbyk, Private ones if they want :)
[21:12] <godbyk> Okay. You can either vote publicly in this channel or message me privately with your votes.
[21:12] <c7p1> that's good
[21:12] <godbyk> I'll report all the votes in this channel (but remove the voters' names from the privately cast votes).
[21:14] <godbyk> Vote received: Fosburgh Burgos Duncan Humnabadkar
[21:15] <godbyk> Vote received: Fosburgh Duncan Burgos Humnabadkar
[21:15] <shrini> Duncan Fosburgh Humnabadkar Burgos
[21:16] <godbyk> Vote received: Fosburgh Duncan Burgos Humnabadkar
[21:16] <shrini> godbyk: Duncan Fosburgh Humnabadkar Burgos
[21:17]  * godbyk opens a spreadsheet before this gets too insane. :-)
[21:17] <hannie> Where is your secretary?
[21:18] <MichealH> godbyk, Duncan Fosburgh Burgos Humnabadkar
[21:18] <godbyk> hannie: If only I had one! :-)
[21:19] <godbyk> Vote received: Duncan Fosburgh Burgos Humnabadkar
[21:20] <godbyk> So far I've received votes from: godbyk, c7p1, hannie, jasono, rickfosb, shrini, MichealH.
[21:20] <MichealH> godbyk, Nice script you have there :P
[21:20] <godbyk> Anyone else have any last-minute votes?
[21:21] <MichealH> godbyk, Can you tell us the results so far?
[21:21] <MichealH> I expect it will be close...
[21:21] <godbyk> Sure. One sec.
[21:22] <godbyk> Okay, our ten minutes are up.
[21:22] <godbyk> Let me tally up the results here.
[21:22] <hannie> Before the EiC is elected I want to say thanks to all the candidates
[21:22]  * MichealH seconds that
[21:22] <Teotw> Thanks to all you too
[21:23] <godbyk> Okay, I've got the totals.
[21:23] <MichealH> godbyk, Last Place first!
[21:23] <MichealH> Last place was:
[21:23] <godbyk> We had seven voters.
[21:23] <hannie> suspense
[21:23] <godbyk> Here are the totals for each candidate:
[21:23] <MichealH> godbyk, Last place to first place?
[21:24] <godbyk> Fosburgh: first: 4, second: 3, third: 0, fourth: 0
[21:24] <godbyk> Humnabadkar: first: 0, second: 0, third: 1, fourth: 6
[21:24] <godbyk> Burgos: first: 0, second: 1, third: 5, fourth: 1
[21:25] <godbyk> Duncan: first: 3, second: 3: third: 1, fourth: 0.
[21:25] <MichealH> SO CLOSE :P
[21:25] <godbyk> A majority of votes would be 4 or more.
[21:25]  * shrini whistles
[21:25] <hannie> pffff
[21:25] <godbyk> With 4 first-preference votes, Fosburgh has been elected as editor in chief.
[21:25] <Teotw> Grats, Fosburgh
[21:25]  * shrini claps and whistles
[21:25] <rickfosb> Thank you all!
[21:25] <MichealH> Congrats, rickfosb
[21:26] <shrini> wishes  rickfosb
[21:26] <godbyk> So congratulations, rickfosb.
[21:26] <hannie> rickfosb, congrats!
[21:26] <godbyk> And huge thanks to all of our applicants.
[21:26] <c7p1> Congrats all !
[21:26] <Teotw> Thanks
[21:26] <godbyk> While you didn't win the election, we'd love for you to join our team.
[21:26] <Teotw> Me?
[21:26] <c7p1> of course
[21:27] <Teotw> What would I do?
[21:27] <rickfosb> I'll look forward to your help Teotw!
[21:27] <hannie> standby
[21:27] <godbyk> To all of our candidates, you're welcome to join our team and help out.
[21:27]  * jasono :s
[21:28] <godbyk> Teotw: Don't worry -- there's never a shortage of work to be done!
[21:28] <hannie> what luxury!
[21:28] <Teotw> Don't suppose I could be told why I didn't get voted for?
[21:28] <Teotw> lol
[21:29] <godbyk> I will add the votes to the minutes.
[21:29] <c7p1> thanks all for coming and voting
[21:29] <hannie> you're welcome
[21:29] <godbyk> c7p1: Since our meeting has run so long, should we address the maverick release in our next meeting or do you want to go ahead and do it now?
[21:30] <MichealH> Lets do it now :P
[21:30] <rickfosb> Agree.
[21:30] <godbyk> Okay.  I'll let c7p1 handle that then (being as he wrote the agenda and all). :-)
[21:30] <godbyk> [TOPIC] Maverick release
[21:30] <MootBot> New Topic:  Maverick release
[21:31] <hannie> It's close to midnight here in Europe, but I don't mind
[21:31] <godbyk> c7p1: It'll let you lead this topic.
[21:32] <godbyk> c7p1: Still around?
[21:32] <c7p1> actually there is nothing from me to tell about the Maverick
[21:32] <godbyk> Ah, okay.
[21:32] <c7p1> i mean it was supposed to be an update for screenshots that's all the maverick update essentially
[21:32] <hannie> Natty will be released shortly
[21:33] <c7p1> yes we  should start talking about Natty
[21:33] <shrini> I hope natty manual will require more work as it has unity
[21:34] <godbyk> Would you like to discuss Natty a bit now or wait until our next meeting?
[21:34] <MichealH> godbyk, Now, April is just arount the corner
[21:34] <godbyk> shrini: Natty will definitely require a lot more work as we can't just make a few small changes.
[21:34] <MichealH> *around
[21:34] <hannie> I was wondering if the manual can be put chapter by finished chapter on Launchpad
[21:34] <shrini> let us finish discussion about maverick now
[21:34] <godbyk> MichealH: True, but we've also kept everyone here for 1.5 hours already and some of them are in time zones where it's quite late.
[21:35] <godbyk> Okay, so on the Maverick front, I think that we still need to take the updated screenshots.
[21:35] <hannie> godbyk, it is never too early
[21:35] <godbyk> I *think* that the screenshots list is the same as it was for Lucid, but we'll need to double-check that.
[21:35] <c7p1> maybe natty planning should be next meeting's goal
[21:35] <MichealH> I can kidnap a handy doc guy :P
[21:36] <godbyk> To take the screenshots, we need to grab the latest version of Quickshot, figure out how to use it, and make sure it's working okay.
[21:36]  * c7p1 sorry for slow responses
[21:36] <MichealH> c7p1, Its okay
[21:38] <shrini> is there any other pending task for maverick?
[21:39] <godbyk> shrini: I think screenshots are the primary one.
[21:39] <godbyk> shrini: Other pending tasks would be to continue to pore over it for errors.
[21:40] <c7p1> there is nobody here knowing for screenshots, i think jenkings was supposed to give us more info but i'm not at all sure
[21:40] <shrini> godbyk: reading about quickshot
[21:41] <shrini> godbyk: will try to do that task of capturing screenshots
[21:41] <godbyk> shrini: Thanks.
[21:41] <shrini> can anyone guide me on what to do after this meeting?
[21:41] <Teotw> ditto!
[21:42] <godbyk> shrini: If you want to look at Quickshot, that'd be helpful. Download the latest version, see if it works, and then write some instructions on how to use it.
[21:42] <shrini> sure
[21:42] <godbyk> Has anyone been using Natty yet?
[21:42] <Teotw> I tested it the other day
[21:43] <godbyk> We need to make a list of changes between Maverick and Natty.  What parts of the manual need to be updated? What parts need to be replaced entirely (Unity)? Etc.
[21:43] <rickfosb> Just an initial glance.  I haven't spent any real time as yet.
[21:44] <rickfosb> Sounds like section 2?  I didn't see any differences during installation.  anyone?
[21:45] <hannie> You could open a wiki page for that
[21:46] <godbyk> I'll add a discussion of Natty changes to our next meeting's agenda.
[21:47] <godbyk> If anyone would like to install Natty and poke around and start a list of changes, that'd be great.
[21:47] <Teotw> I don't mind doing that
[21:47] <godbyk> You can create a wiki page for it under https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/.
[21:47] <hannie> And post changes on the mailing list?
[21:47] <c7p1> for natty changes you could also use this http://ietherpad.com/NattyChanges
[21:47] <hannie> ok
[21:47] <godbyk> You're welcome to use the mailing list to discuss changes, too, yes.
[21:48] <Teotw> kk
[21:48] <godbyk> c7p1: I'm starting to be a little more wary of pads since it seems they are offline a lot. :)
[21:48] <c7p1> godbyk: you are right
[21:48] <c7p1> maybe a google doc ?
[21:48] <godbyk> rickfosb: I'll send you an email soon to fill you in on some of the fun things we have planned for you. <evil grin>
[21:49] <rickfosb> godbyk; thanks
[21:49] <godbyk> [TOPIC] Any Other Business
[21:49] <MootBot> New Topic:  Any Other Business
[21:50] <godbyk> I think it's getting a bit late for some folks, and I don't want to keep you any longer.
[21:50] <godbyk> Is there any other business that needs to be discussed?
[21:50] <hannie> So, when is the next meeting?
[21:50] <godbyk> We've been trying to schedule meetings every couple weeks.
[21:50] <godbyk> The frequency of the meetings can be adjusted as needed, of course.
[21:51] <shrini> godbyk: installed quickshot
[21:51] <shrini> will test it and mail the team later
[21:51] <shrini> getting very late
[21:51] <shrini> it is 3.30 am for me
[21:51] <shrini> very good morning for all
[21:51] <shrini> :-)
[21:51] <godbyk> Between now and the next meeting, feel free to use this IRC channel and our mailing list to stay in touch, ask any questions, continue discussions, etc.
[21:52] <c7p1> for me there is nothing more
[21:52] <hannie> ok, bedtime for me too
[21:52] <shrini> wishes for the new leads
[21:52] <hannie> see you all nest time, guys
[21:52] <shrini> thanks for all participants
[21:52] <godbyk> Thanks everyone for coming.
[21:52] <godbyk> And thanks especially to all of our applicants!
[21:52] <hannie> *next
[21:52] <Teotw> :)
[21:52] <c7p1> Thank you all for coming
[21:52] <rickfosb> :)
[21:52] <c7p1> next meeting in two weeks or next week ?
[21:52] <komsas> I'm happy to see that ubuntu manual community begin to live again. Good luck and don't stop :)
[21:52] <godbyk> We'll post the minutes to the mailing list soon.
[21:53] <godbyk> #endmeeting
[21:53] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 16:53.
[21:54] <shrini> godbyk: did you work with quickshot?
[21:54] <shrini> how to create user for that
[21:54] <shrini> ?
[21:54] <godbyk> shrini: I didn't write it. And I haven't used the new version yet.
[21:54] <shrini> ok
[21:55] <godbyk> shrini: You might contact the Quickshot folks.  they've been really busy lately.  But let them know that you're going to be writing instructions on how to use it and may need some help getting started.  https://launchpad.net/~quickshotdevs
[21:56] <shrini> sure
[21:58] <MichealH> I need to go now :)
[21:58] <shrini> godbyk: bye
[21:58] <godbyk> Okay.  Thanks for coming, MichealH.
[21:58] <MichealH> Byez! :P
[21:58] <shrini> thanks for all folks
[21:58] <godbyk> Goodbye, shrini. Thanks for your help.
[21:58] <shrini> thanks godbyk
[22:00] <rickfosb> Thanks again to all.  Going to move on to another weekend task. :)
[22:01] <godbyk> rickfosb: Thanks for coming, rickfosb.  And congratulations on your new role.
[22:01] <godbyk> (You may regret it sooner than you think. ;-))
[22:01] <rickfosb> ha!  oh wait!  is that the ground?????  Better run...
[22:01] <rickfosb> :))
[22:02] <c7p1> rickfosb, jasono, MichealH whatever you want i'm willing to help and also to help you understand the projects situation etc
[22:03] <jasono> c7p1 Thanks.
[22:03] <rickfosb> c7p1 Thanks.
[22:16] <komsas> godbyk, do you know shrini email or any other contact, I wanted to give him email log with Neil, when I did all screenshots. It could help him a lot.
[22:16] <godbyk> komsas: Let me see if I can find it real quick.
[22:17] <godbyk> Found it.
[22:19] <komsas> thanks, by the way, infosoft said that you'll help me with one little problem in the latex world. I hope you could find for me time till next sunday?
[22:22] <godbyk> komsas: Yeah, it sounds like the small-caps font may not have all the letters you need.
[22:22] <godbyk> komsas: Which edition are you working on?
[22:23] <komsas> second
[22:23] <komsas> there is all my sources https://github.com/komsas/Ubuntu-manual-lucid-2
[22:24] <godbyk> komsas: Okay. I may have to create a small file for you that you can drop in to change the formatting of the running heads.
[22:24] <godbyk> If the small-caps font doesn't have all the letters you need, we can just use regular uppercase and lowercase letters.
[22:25] <komsas> sounds good
[22:27] <godbyk> komsas: Actually, if you give me your email address, I can send this file to you right now.
[22:27] <godbyk> Then you can test it out sometime and let me know how it looks.
[22:27] <komsas> godbyk, komsas@gmail.com
[22:28] <godbyk> komsas: Okay, sent.
[22:29] <komsas> thanks you, I'm going to tray
[22:29] <komsas> try *
[22:30] <godbyk> Hopefully I didn't screw up the file. :-)
[22:30] <godbyk> There are some other options in that file that we may want to set, too, but we can do those a bit later if we need to.
[22:39] <komsas> godbyk, it worked only in the first running head "į" changed to „Įvadas“, other left same.
[22:39] <godbyk> Hmm..
[22:41] <godbyk> So the running head on the left-hand page and right-hand page are formatted differently?  (One is still in small-caps and the other is now correct [using uppercase and lowercase]?)
[22:44] <komsas> in the left all letters are latin (without Lithuanian letters), so mainly only right have problems. So for now only first right have correct, it is in lowercase with first latter capitalized.
[22:45] <godbyk> I haven't updated my copy of the Lithuanian translation for quite a while, but it didn't compile cleanly.  It did however, show "Ubuntu 10.04 pradedančiųjų vadovas" on the left-hand page and "Įvadas" on the right-hand page.
[22:45] <komsas> try my branch
[22:45] <komsas> it is fresh and new
[22:45] <godbyk> Okay
[22:46] <komsas> I did some changes there, like to show better screenshots and other.. there is all commits so you can see
[22:47] <godbyk> What do I run to build it?
[22:47] <komsas> make ubuntu-manual-lt.pdf
[22:48] <komsas> there is sometimes problems with glossary or index, then I run this commands manually
[22:49] <godbyk> Ah, I see what's happening.
[22:49] <godbyk> The formatting change is only in effect for the front matter (the copyright page, table of contents, introduction), but not the main matter (chapter 1 onward).
[22:50] <godbyk> I wonder if it's that way in the original lucid-e2 code..
[22:50] <godbyk> At any rate, I can fix that.  One moment.
[22:51] <godbyk> I'll just fork it real quick. Probably easier for you to see the changes then.
[22:51] <komsas> yee.. I wanted to say that to fork is best solutions
[22:51] <komsas> I'm going to see
[22:53] <komsas> oh I read that you did that.. ;))
[22:55] <komsas> so I'm going to sleep it is late here, thank you godbyk for help, tomorrow I'll check your commits
[22:55] <c7p1> night komsas