[00:56] <HazRPG> \o
[00:57] <hamitron> hi haz
[00:57] <hamitron> :)
[00:57] <HazRPG> hamitron: \o/!
[00:57]  * HazRPG loves the night shift crew
[00:58] <hamitron> haha
[00:58] <hamitron> gonna need a drink soon
[00:58] <HazRPG> anything in particular?
[00:59] <hamitron> coffee
[01:01] <hamitron> on the hour, time for it
[01:01] <hamitron> brb
[01:01] <HazRPG> enjoy :)
[01:03] <shauno> morning
[01:04] <Azelphur> well, that explains why easystrokes compiz integration is down :D
[01:04] <Azelphur> apparently compiz in natty has no dbus xD
[01:04] <Azelphur> I think it's a bug, though \o/
[01:05] <gord> has no dbus? what on earth do you mean by that?
[01:06] <Azelphur> I mean the dbus interface is gone xD
[01:06] <Azelphur> the plugin is still there, it creates a session but has no objects
[01:06] <Azelphur> xD
[01:08] <Azelphur> gord: if your interested look at it in d-feet
[01:08] <Azelphur> or try any of the examples on the compiz wiki, they won't work
[01:08] <HazRPG> random
[01:08] <hamitron> bk
[01:09] <Azelphur> indeed
[02:28] <HazRPG> bit slow tonight on here
[02:29] <shauno> I'm still not awake :/
[02:29] <HazRPG> shauno: clearly you are :P
[02:29]  * hamitron just cba
[02:29] <hamitron> chosen a name for my vps, about it
[02:30] <hamitron> :/
[02:30] <HazRPG> I'm reading reads trolls arguing about ps3 stuff
[02:30] <HazRPG> reading through*
[02:31] <hamitron> don't get me started on the ps3 :/
[02:31] <HazRPG> ;p
[02:31] <hamitron> I can rant for hours
[02:31] <hamitron> :)
[02:31] <HazRPG> how about Rebecca Black - Friday?
[02:31] <hamitron> huh?
[02:31] <HazRPG> oh, you haven't been introduced yet?
[02:32] <hamitron> no...
[02:32] <hamitron> I don't think
[02:32] <hamitron> ;/
[02:32] <HazRPG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0
[02:32] <hamitron> ah well
[02:32] <hamitron> I have youtube blocked
[02:32] <hamitron> ;)
[02:34] <HazRPG> hamitron: see now ya just making me want to post an alt link: http://www.break.com/index/rebecca-blacks-friday-worst-song-ever-2023476
[02:35] <hamitron> that is blocked too
[02:35] <HazRPG> fine... read this: http://www.directlyrics.com/rebecca-black-friday-lyrics.html
[02:35] <HazRPG> seriously, you don't watch vids online?
[02:36] <hamitron> no
[02:36] <HazRPG> each to their own...
[02:36] <hamitron> I found a lot of my download limit was getting used
[02:36] <hamitron> so blocked such stuff
[02:36] <HazRPG> ah, that makes sense
[02:37] <hamitron> I normally have a tunnel for just myself
[02:37] <HazRPG> although, personally I just set a quota block on certain sites
[02:37] <hamitron> but I have recently re-configured a lot of stuff
[02:37] <hamitron> not got around to making the tunnel
[02:37] <hamitron> :)
[02:38] <HazRPG> 7am, waking up in the morning, Gotta be fresh, gotta go downstairs, Gotta have my bowl, gotta have cereal, Seein’ everything, the time is goin’, Tickin’ on and on, everybody’s rushin’, Gotta get down to the bus stop, Gotta catch my bus, I see my friends (My friends)
[02:39] <HazRPG> imagine that... being sung by a female justin beba
[02:39] <HazRPG> with lyrics like that, it really makes you believe that the worlds is getting dumber
[02:40] <hamitron> tbh, it depends on the tune
[02:40] <hamitron> ;)
[02:41] <HazRPG> as I said, its like justin beba
[02:41] <HazRPG> pop/rnb/slow ... kinda tune
[02:42] <HazRPG> with a hint of dance (sorta?)
[02:42] <hamitron> wtf is justin beba? ;/
[02:42] <hamitron> I feel really out of touch with the world sometimes, haha
[02:44] <shauno> you're not missing much
[02:44] <HazRPG> yeah, you really aren't
[02:44] <HazRPG> not?*
[02:44] <HazRPG> your*
[02:45] <HazRPG> I should have slept properly ... I don't think 2x30min naps really counts >_<
[02:45] <hamitron> "you really aren't" sounds fine to me ;/
[02:45] <HazRPG> also, radios tuned to Radio 1 should be banned!
[02:46] <hamitron> or the BBC in general ;)
[02:46] <HazRPG> hamitron: ...heh, so it is - lack of proper sleep makes my comprehension skills deteriorate
[02:46] <shauno> I was flicking thru stations the other morning and caught radio1 playing bohemian rhapsody at 5am.  caught me by surprise
[02:46] <HazRPG> if that even works as a thing...
[02:46] <HazRPG> shauno: radio 1 is good when people should be sleeping xD
[02:47] <HazRPG> I like the dnb sessions they have between 3-6am sometimes
[02:47] <hamitron> dnb?
[02:47] <HazRPG> and the rock music they play once every month or so in the early am's
[02:47] <shauno> I tend to listen to the world service because they actually have some pretty interesting programs.  I don't go to radio for music :/
[02:47] <HazRPG> dnb - Drum n Bass
[02:48] <hamitron> most my music I listen to is on Absolute Radio Classic Rock
[02:48] <hamitron> ;)
[02:48] <HazRPG> shauno: ... don't judge, but I like classic FM most of the time
[02:48] <HazRPG> hamitron: that's over digital though right?
[02:48] <hamitron> I stream online
[02:48] <HazRPG> ah
[02:48] <hamitron> but yeh
[02:49] <hamitron> 32kbps I can live with
[02:49] <HazRPG> can't get that in my car without expensive gear to do it with
[02:49] <hamitron> not even on a phone?
[02:49] <HazRPG> last I looked a DAB radio costs around £50
[02:49] <hamitron> dab sucks anyway
[02:50] <hamitron> FM ftw
[02:50] <HazRPG> I'd only ever get it to listen to ARCR
[02:50] <HazRPG> but only if it was cheap to buy... or I could build one easily myself
[02:50] <hamitron> I can't stop DAB breaking up
[02:50] <hamitron> so given up on it
[02:50] <shauno> I just stream everything on my phone, so I'm not bound to local stations
[02:51] <HazRPG> better than using a phone over 3g that chops in and out during travels
[02:51] <hamitron> I can't even get a 2g signal :(
[02:51] <HazRPG> I use to use last.fm on my phone via the stereo of the car's tape drive... but well, having to reach for the phone every so often to click play once its lost signal isn't really good for driving
[02:52] <hamitron> no
[02:52] <hamitron> tbh, I wouldn't want music when driving
[02:52] <hamitron> like to listen to the engine
[02:52] <hamitron> :)
[02:53] <HazRPG> shauno: yeah I used last.fm, because I knew it would play whatever genre I wanted to listen to... or even just must that it's decided I like with my account being over 7 years standing the "personal radio/neighbouring radio" is pretty darn accurate to my taste now
[02:55] <HazRPG> ...erm that was a mega fail, I'm too lazy to correct
[02:58] <hamitron> right
[02:58] <hamitron> off to bed
[02:58] <hamitron> laters you guys
[02:58] <hamitron> :)
[02:58] <HazRPG> catch ya later dude
[03:00] <shauno> bah.  foods needs to be faster.
[03:03] <HazRPG> tell me about it
[03:03]  * HazRPG runs to check timer
[03:04] <HazRPG> bah! 7mins
[03:06] <HazRPG> probably won't be enough to feed me... should probably order something in to go with it
[03:09] <HazRPG> shauno: how much sleep you get in the end?
[03:10] <HazRPG> Foods up!
[03:11] <shauno> not quite 8, but enough
[03:11] <HazRPG> better than what I had
[03:13] <shauno> oh dear god
[03:13] <shauno> just trying an irc client I haven't poked at in a while
[03:13] <shauno> didn't think that it would have remembered settings from last time I used it, 6-9 months ago
[03:14] <shauno> it just autojoined me into a shedload of channels
[03:15] <HazRPG> heh :P
[03:16] <HazRPG> guessing you didn't purge remove
[03:16] <HazRPG> if such thing exists on osx
[03:16] <shauno> wouldn't have made a difference :)
[03:17] <shauno> if purge removes things from $HOME, someone needs to be shot
[03:34] <HazRPG> ah
[03:35] <HazRPG> I thought you meant global settings
[03:38] <HazRPG> shauno: oh yeah, when you were looking through those photos earlier... did ya see any of my panorama attempts?
[03:38] <HazRPG> I think they came out pretty good :)
[03:39] <shauno> heh, nope
[03:39] <HazRPG> shauno: e.g. https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/KTJiboPLP0U1p-YiuOy5bkSln1IbCow2Lz_7Dmnl72k?feat=directlink
[03:40] <HazRPG> considering I'd never managed to get panorama to work on any camera before... I think I did well :)
[03:40] <HazRPG> my tripod investment helped too :)
[03:45] <HazRPG> I'm no photographer, but I think I did well overall with some of the snaps I took out there
[03:45] <HazRPG> esp. considering I just used a regular 10MP portable camera
[03:46] <HazRPG> you'd never believe this was take through a wire fence for example with tiny holes (see background for reference): https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/svoTHVM_MvVK9Yxdz2BM_ESln1IbCow2Lz_7Dmnl72k?feat=directlink
[03:46] <HazRPG> actually wait, this is better reference of how tiny the hole was: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/HR-Ga7an8vI0d5mVrzhrLUSln1IbCow2Lz_7Dmnl72k?feat=directlink
[03:48] <HazRPG> although my skillz can't be any good, I don't think I had any comments from friends/family over facebook :(
[03:52] <shauno> have I been joining and parting? or is this thing losing it's mind already
[03:53] <HazRPG> hmm, well there hasn't been a net.split
[03:55] <HazRPG> I should really get off the kindle website...
[03:56] <HazRPG> (amazon/kindle site)
[03:56] <HazRPG> if I keep this up, I'll have enough books to last the rest of the year >_<
[03:58] <shauno> I've always got enough books to last a year.  <3 safaribookonline.com :)
[04:00] <HazRPG> yeah, but I also have the 20 odd ebooks I got from gutenburg :P
[04:04] <Azelphur> Time not found :P
[04:05] <shauno> ?
[04:05] <HazRPG> guessing he means for reading too many books
[04:05] <HazRPG> :P
[04:05] <Azelphur> when I said that the time was 4:04 :P
[04:05] <shauno> ah
[04:05] <HazRPG> :P
[04:13] <HazRPG> xD
[04:13] <HazRPG> considering it's a free ebook, its quite awesome!
[04:14] <HazRPG> "There was an old robot quite vain; With jealousy almost insane. It made him so cross; That I was his boss; And firmly in charge of his brain.
[04:14] <HazRPG> "
[04:24] <HazRPG> "A robot once made by the Franks; Liked plenty of steam in its tanks; But overhead pressure; In excessive measure; Blew out all its memory banks."
[04:25] <HazRPG> The books called "The First Completely Electronic Robot and Science Fiction Limerick Book" and is free :)
[04:54] <shauno> ugh.  what not.  my card's being declined, while the bank is showing it perfectly fit for the job.  grrr.
[04:55] <HazRPG> :/
[04:56] <shauno> ain't technology great
[04:57] <HazRPG> always
[04:57] <shauno> "computer says no" comes to mind :/
[04:58] <shauno> reminds me, someone needs to come up with a way to give ram away
[04:59] <shauno> every time I get a new laptop, first thing I do is max out the ram aftermarket.  so you end up with little boxes with silly amounts of ram in just kicking around the place
[05:01] <shauno> this one's going to have 4Gb removed from it in the first week.  seems like wasteful amounts to just leave to rot in a box
[05:17] <Severian> shauno, you could mail the ram to me.  I am pretty sure that would work.
[05:18] <shauno> you got anything that uses 204pin sodimms?  (eg, it's not desktop ram)
[05:20] <Severian> No, but I rebuild computers for a couple of charity groups and I would find it a home before long.  I am in the US.  I bet there are good places in England that could use it.
[05:22] <shauno> well if I can find anyone who can use matched pairs of laptop ram, they're welcome to it
[05:40] <HazRPG> shauno: try ebay :)
[05:43] <shauno> I tend to avoid ebay .. it's too much like hard work
[05:44] <shauno> last time I sold something on ebay the buyer went ape because there was a catch that I made very clear in the description
[05:44] <shauno> just more hassle than it's worth
[05:46] <HazRPG> fairy nuff
[05:46] <HazRPG> I should probably get some proper sleep
[05:46] <HazRPG> eyes are literally on fire, and glowly much like the cig. end I just put out
[06:22] <HazRPG> right, going to bed guys, nitey nite
[06:28] <shauno> ooh, that's nifty.  Calibre will work as a content server for stanza
[06:29] <MartijnVdS> stanza?
[06:31] <shauno> ebook reader I use on my phone
[06:31] <MartijnVdS> ah
[06:31] <shauno> handy because it hooks into a whole bunch of places as stores, instead of being tied to one vendor
[06:32] <shauno> including stuff like feedbooks & gutenberg
[06:33] <MartijnVdS> I use my Sony e-reader thingy
[06:33] <shauno> the content server in it was a bit rough, it'd only show the document I had open in the reader on my desktop.  but calibre's just pops up as another store/source
[06:39] <shauno> also: morning MartijnVdS
[06:39] <MartijnVdS> morning
[06:39]  * MartijnVdS tries something completely different re: sat tuner
[06:39] <MartijnVdS> if this works, it might be a temperature issue :|
[07:09] <shauno> hehe ..don't mark /bin/sleep ugo-x .. stuff goes nuts in subtle ways
[07:12] <MartijnVdS> shauno: lots of init scripts
[07:12] <MartijnVdS> and postinsts
[07:12] <MartijnVdS> I'd guess
[07:15] <shauno> probably not the prettiest way to do that, but shuffled it along
[07:16] <MartijnVdS> why did you do it?
[07:17] <shauno> I like blunt weapons
[07:18] <shauno> okay, got an app that'll one file at a time
[07:18] <MartijnVdS> you accidentally a word
[07:18] <shauno> if you tell it to open 10 files, it'll open 10, and chomp thru them one at a time
[07:18] <shauno> if you tell it to open 20, it'll queue thru 20
[07:18] <shauno> if you tell it to open 50, it'll fall over and die
[07:19] <shauno> so I did a for glob; open file; sleep 2 loop, thinking I'd throttle them going in
[07:19] <shauno> but every time I fed it a file, it came to front & stole focus.  having focus stolen every 2 seconds is rather annoying
[07:20] <shauno> so I'd mark sleep -x, let the queue fill up, then mark it +x again while it chomped away
[07:20] <MartijnVdS> Sounds like you need to learn about queues and/or map/reduce ;)
[07:20] <shauno> ugly as sin, but it got them thru as fast as it could handle without stuffing the queue until it exploded
[07:21] <shauno> it was neither a sensible plan, nor a sensible fix.  but I didn't want to start at the start again :(
[07:23] <shauno> now it appears I've been throttled by a web service that doesn't like me scraping it at a sustained rate, and something I completely forgot was running went nuts when I stole broke sleep :/
[07:24] <MartijnVdS> shauno: lftp can do HTTP mirrors with multiple parallel downloads
[07:25] <shauno> that tends to get me kicked off it too
[07:25] <MartijnVdS> yes
[07:25] <MartijnVdS> don't do that :)
[07:25] <MartijnVdS> why would you do that? :)
[07:26] <shauno> their limit is seconds per connection, not connections per second :)
[07:28] <shauno> it'd be nice if they had a proper api, but instead I scrape several thousand xml files per run, then nap for 3 hours and start again
[07:35] <gord> yay 3ds :D now i can see the world in three dee's
[07:38] <shauno> heh, fun
[07:39] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:39] <AlanBell> issyl0: what train?
[07:39] <gord> 3d camera is cool :)
[07:40] <AlanBell> http://supertunaman.com/cdl/cdl_v0-1.txt awesome
[07:43] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Wut.. :)
[08:05] <AlanBell> today I shall be mostly hacking the government
[08:07] <AlanBell> if anyone can get to the Guardian offices near Kings Cross at 6PM you can come and see what we have been up to
[08:07] <AlanBell> and I expect I will be on IRC looking for help and ideas throughout the day
[08:07] <AlanBell> http://rewiredstate.org/events/national-hack-the-government-day-2011
[08:08] <ging> you'll be in cuba by night fall
[08:11] <AlanBell> they will never take me alive
[08:11] <ging> that's not a problem
[08:11] <AlanBell> right, time to go find a train
[08:11] <AlanBell> laters all
[08:11] <ging> bye
[08:34] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:36] <marxjohnson> yo czajkowski
[08:39] <czajkowski> marxjohnson: howdy
[08:39] <czajkowski> marxjohnson: up to anything today
[08:40] <shauno> grrr @ banks.  someone remind me why they're better than keeping socks under the mattress?
[08:40] <marxjohnson> food shopping \m/,
[08:40] <marxjohnson> and making a website for my gf
[08:40] <marxjohnson> not much else
[08:40] <marxjohnson> you?
[08:42]  * dutchie is off to the boat race today
[08:42] <dutchie> eventually
[08:42] <dutchie> maybe
[08:43] <czajkowski> marxjohnson: heading to London later to see the bf and go for dinner
[08:43] <marxjohnson> I was going to go to the march in london, but I can't afford to get there :p
[08:43] <czajkowski> relaxing weekend this weekend :) busy couple of weeks ahead of me
[08:43] <czajkowski> marxjohnson: what March ?
[08:43]  * czajkowski hugs dutchie 
[08:43] <marxjohnson> http://marchforthealternative.org.uk/
[08:44] <czajkowski> hmm
[08:45] <czajkowski> dont think it effects the routes I'll be going
[08:45] <dutchie> everyone is going to london it seems then
[08:45]  * czajkowski has yet to finish up getting stuff ready for document freedom day next week 
[08:46] <danfish> dutchie: it's where all the cool kids hang out ;)
[08:46] <danfish> morning!!
[08:48] <czajkowski> danfish: hello there stranger
[08:48] <danfish> czajkowski: hiya
[08:48] <czajkowski> danfish: how did your conference go ?
[08:48] <danfish> a week of no internets \o/
[08:49] <czajkowski> oh my
[08:49] <danfish> czajkowski: the conference was....interesting
[08:50] <danfish> congrats on the rubgy (through gritted teeth)
[08:50] <danfish> was the pub OK?
[08:51] <czajkowski> :D
[08:51] <czajkowski> yup rugby was great
[08:51] <czajkowski> pub was nice, bit packed but I suspect every pub tbh would be that day.
[08:52] <czajkowski> they wouldnt open upstairs which was kinda annoying and the volume was a tad loud but overall great
[08:52]  * MartijnVdS builds a kernel.. for the first time in AGES
[08:52] <danfish> ooh, they normally do open upstairs there. Maybe staffing probs
[08:52] <czajkowski> danfish: but a damn good game :D
[08:53] <czajkowski> danfish: they said a private function was on, but went up and it was dead quiet, bit naff really as more space would have been good
[08:53] <danfish> czajkowski: a deserved win. England didn't turn up
[08:53] <czajkowski> nods
[08:53] <danfish> we must plan for the world cup :)
[08:54] <czajkowski> danfish: you should have seen the grin onmy face though :) and I had some irish friends over
[08:54] <czajkowski> danfish: yup! definately so, and I think we'll even find a place that will let us reseve seats this time
[08:54] <danfish> I saw theopensourcerer's tweets re your grin
[08:54] <czajkowski> he wasn't a happy chappy with me at all
[08:54] <czajkowski> :(
[08:55] <danfish> czajkowski: maybe his local for the world cup?
[08:56] <czajkowski> in farnham
[08:56] <czajkowski> oh yes
[08:56] <czajkowski> we may need to pick a neutral game and not an england v ireland game or he may kill me
[08:57] <czajkowski> danfish: though watching a pub full of english supporters cheer on the french was rather amusing
[08:59] <danfish> czajkowski: really? Not true Englishmen then ;)
[08:59] <czajkowski> well they had to, france needed to beat wales in order to guarantee england to win
[08:59] <czajkowski> danfish: did you see the video that has been released?
[09:00] <danfish> err, no
[09:01] <shauno> the  nike one?
[09:01] <czajkowski> shauno: aye
[09:01] <czajkowski> cant find the link now
[09:01] <shauno> what a storm in a teacup that was :/
[09:03] <czajkowski> danfish: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ5VT_u3Lb4
[09:05] <danfish> hah - a healthy dose of fail there
[09:06] <czajkowski> danfish: next time pick a match that doesnt conflict with a conference :)
[09:10] <danfish> :)
[09:10] <danfish> that's my one conference for the year - box ticked
[09:23] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:25] <daubers> Morning
[09:27] <bigcalm> Why is anybody even here this early on a Saturday morning?
[09:28] <bigcalm> My excuse is that my GF needs more sleep but I'm restless so banished myself to downstairs
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> uhrm
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> because it's 10:30 :)
[09:28] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: either you're in a different timezone, or you've changed your clocks a day early
[09:29] <MartijnVdS> za mrt 26 10:29:16 CET 2011
[09:30] <bigcalm> So, different timezone it is
[09:32] <shauno> ooh I forgot they change soon
[09:34] <bigcalm> Tomorrow at 1am -> 2am
[09:35] <shauno> just means I have to be paranoid about monday morning, as the iphone seems to have an odd talent for borking dst changes
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: 2am-3am here
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> shauno: Apple is good at that, yes
[09:36] <shauno> I mean, I understand, it's not like we've done this twice a year for the last 60+ years.  it totally makes sense that it should cause the alarm clock to go into "just kidding" mode
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> Just use Ubuntu as your alarm clock ;)
[09:36] <shauno> I don't sleep with my computers :)
[09:37] <bigcalm> The opposite sounds perverted
[09:38] <MartijnVdS> shauno: OK get an Android phone then
[09:38] <shauno> hah, nevar.  I'll just wake one of my old palms up for the night
[09:38] <MartijnVdS> shauno: So you don't sleep with androids, so you'll just use your palm?
[09:38] <MartijnVdS> -so
[09:39] <shauno> :/
[09:39] <bigcalm> Set 2 alarms, one hour each side of your usual alarm.
[09:39]  * daubers just got a clock that uses the DAB time signal
[09:39] <MartijnVdS> daubers: hm, that sounds like a good idea..
[09:40] <shauno> bigcalm: that didn't help last time :/  last time it just quit sounding periodic alarms (eg, ones set to go off "every monday" or such)
[09:40]  * bigcalm wonders if a reboot is really required with the recent updates. Grumble
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: kernel updates? yes
[09:40] <bigcalm> shauno: don't sleep ;)
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: other updates? maybe.. but logging out/back in might work
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: "I haven't slept because I didn't trust my phone"
[09:41] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: if there were a kernel update, I'd accept that
[09:41] <shauno> bigcalm: that's actually plan A :)
[09:41] <bigcalm> I understand that ubuntu is user friendly. A reboot is simpler to understand for the masses
[09:42]  * bigcalm still dislikes having window buttons on the lhs
[09:42] <gord> the AR game on 3ds where it takes a picture of yourself then puts your flying head dancing around the room you are in and you ahve to shoot it before it kisses you is... disturbing...
[09:42]  * MartijnVdS has a micro-sd card reader that's also a 3G modem 8-)
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> or was it the other way around
[09:47] <czajkowski> really need to remember to eat food when taking pain killers
[09:47] <czajkowski> so not feeling well now :(
[09:47] <czajkowski> bugger
[09:47] <bigcalm> czajkowski: *hugs*
[09:47] <bigcalm> czajkowski: how's the back?
[09:47] <czajkowski> really bad :(
[09:47] <bigcalm> I thought you were getting it sorted?
[09:48] <czajkowski> takes more than 1 physio visit
[09:48] <czajkowski> i see traction in my future
[09:48] <bigcalm> :)
[09:48] <bigcalm> :(
[09:48] <bigcalm> Grr, laptop keyboards
[09:51]  * daubers ponders meandering into town for coffee
[09:52] <willy_1977> morning
[09:52] <willy_1977> daubers, sounds like a half decent plan :)
[09:53] <MartijnVdS> Which half? Meandering or coffee? :P
[09:54] <daubers> Could take the EOS for a wonder along the river too
[09:54] <willy_1977> MartijnVdS: both
[09:56] <willy_1977> EOS? after fiddling with eclipse ... it's not so bad... still looking for others... any ide suggestions?
[09:56] <MartijnVdS> willy_1977: netbeans
[09:57] <MartijnVdS> or just vim + a proper rc
[09:57] <willy_1977> vim :o
[09:57] <MartijnVdS> vim ♥
[09:58] <willy_1977> I'm still going through the man but I've used gVim on windows as a replacement to notepad for a while now... so picked up some commands...
[09:58] <MartijnVdS> good start
[09:58] <MartijnVdS> I'd recommend starting with an empty .vimrc, and then building up one by reading through the help
[09:58] <MartijnVdS> and/or vim.wikia
[09:59] <MartijnVdS> http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Vim_Tips_Wiki
[09:59] <willy_1977> MartijnVdS: thanks I'll bookmark that for the future.
[10:01] <willy_1977> and I just got through installing netbeans this morning to suck it and see, I like how it's fairly easy to tidy up after all this messing around...
[10:01] <willy_1977> not that there's much to it of course sudo apt get etc. :p
[10:01] <bigcalm> It appears to be tea o'clock!
[10:02] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: so it does
[10:02] <marxjohnson> I'm using Aptana (eclipse) with viplugin, best of both world ;-)
[10:02] <willy_1977> ooOOOO tea break... what a great time to get in here...
[10:02] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: fresh darjeeling \o/
[10:02] <MartijnVdS> I wish sat scanning wasn't so slow :|
[10:02] <willy_1977> earl grey if I've not supped it all
[10:06] <shauno> yaknow, growing up on star trek, I was kinda let down when I tried earl grey :(
[10:07] <willy_1977> shauno: it's not to everyones taste can be too... hummm... "flowery" I guess...
[10:08] <marxjohnson> Right, off the Thresher's for the weekly shop... see you all later!
[10:08] <willy_1977> but that's the only reason I have it I take great pleasure asking for "earl grey, hot"
[10:08]  * exobuzz drinks "yorkshire" tea.. (obviously grown in yorkshire ;-) )
[10:09] <willy_1977> marxjohnson: I'll bear the ide suggestion in mind ;) see you later.
[10:09] <exobuzz> it's a good brew though
[10:09] <willy_1977> exobuzz: +1 for yorkshire tea
[10:09] <exobuzz> loose tea of course. im a tea snob.
[10:09] <marxjohnson> exobuzz: not nice with southampton water, have to use the special "hard water" version for some reason
[10:10] <exobuzz> we are in a hardwater area, and the normal version does well for me
[10:10] <marxjohnson> how odd. maybe it's just the flat where I was living last time I tried it ;)
[10:10] <willy_1977> I went through a phase of that - in a recent house move I lost my tea making for one cup and strainer yet to be replaced...
[10:10] <exobuzz> my stepfather was a tea taster, so there was never an excuse for a badly made tea when i was a kid.
[10:11] <willy_1977> quite right, some of us are British you know... there's no excuse for a badly made brew ever !
[10:11] <exobuzz> hehe
[10:15] <willy_1977> how you doin' anyhow exobuzz?
[10:15] <exobuzz> popey, i got a natty alpha for joggler if you wanted to give it a run. i just need to sync with the server and do a build
[10:15] <exobuzz> willy_1977, slight headache (my own fault), but apart from that good. you ?
[10:19] <willy_1977> ahhh self induce headaches ;)
[10:19] <willy_1977> I'm good just glad I'm finally at the end of a bad week...
[10:23]  * willy_1977 is trying to decide.... an afternoon at a kids party or an afternoon doing housework :(
[10:24] <exobuzz> i dont much like your choice there heh
[10:24] <exobuzz> where is "put feet up and veg out"
[10:25] <willy_1977> I know... can you tell that mrs w had a hand in those choices...
[10:25] <exobuzz> yeh
[10:26] <exobuzz> :)
[10:26] <czajkowski> for those interested in documentation
[10:26] <czajkowski> http://twitter.com/#!/dexyit/status/51589903460466688
[10:31] <MartijnVdS> documentations is for people who can't read code :P
[10:31] <MartijnVdS> -s
[10:31] <czajkowski> >:(
[10:31] <willy_1977> titter...
[10:31] <willy_1977> oops
[10:32] <willy_1977> MartijnVdS: you know you said that out loud?
[10:32] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: Note the :P
[10:33] <willy_1977> just for clarity - very much tongue-in-cheek comments on documentation may follow from me...
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> though I do think there are different needs for different "levels"
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> One set of docs for the people who use my API
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> Another for the people who write the backend of said API with me
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> etc.
[10:34] <willy_1977> that sounds like far too much documentation to me...
[10:34] <czajkowski> well I've seen developers ideas of documentation, and when I needed to test their area, it was impossible to read and it lacked information
[10:34] <czajkowski> I also used to write it for end users
[10:34] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: I don't deal with end users.. I deal with other developers :)
[10:34] <czajkowski> so there are differnt types of documentation
[10:35] <willy_1977> czajkowski: in my experience if you *get* documentation from a dev you're doing well ;)
[10:35] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: and if you left tomorrowo morning there should be a set standard of documentation there so people can just walk in and carry on
[10:35] <willy_1977> not saying I agree with that by the way.
[10:35] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: that's why we don't do things alone where I work
[10:35] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: fair enough.
[10:36] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: changes bigger than a few-line bugfix are made by at least 2 programmers
[10:36] <MartijnVdS> (and even the small bugfixy ones get reviewed by someone else)
[10:36] <MartijnVdS> It cut down on bug numbers dramatically when we started doing it this way :)
[10:37] <willy_1977> code reviews are essential - it can feel as if it slows stuff down if you've never been subject to it... but they do a fine job of spotting ID-10-T errors...
[10:37] <MartijnVdS> Still, documenting is necesarry and Hard Work
[10:37] <czajkowski> nod s
[10:37] <willy_1977> +1
[10:37] <MartijnVdS> willy_1977: A few of my coworkers feel "exposed" (attacked?) when their code is reviewed
[10:38] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: I've heard that as well
[10:38] <willy_1977> when I started working with the company I worked at before they did peer code reviews and it took me a while to adjust to it...
[10:38] <MartijnVdS> "Don't you trust me?"
[10:39] <shauno> I wonder if there's a way to get them to see it as showing off?
[10:40] <willy_1977> shauno: that's an interesting point...
[10:40] <MartijnVdS> shauno: hmmm
[10:40] <MartijnVdS> shauno: that sounds like a good idea
[10:40] <shauno> if they're proud of what they've done, it's only right someone should actually see it, rather than just churn it into binary
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> it's Perl, but yes :)
[10:41] <willy_1977> what helped for me was when I was finally allowed to review code too - then it felt as if the trust was back...
[10:41] <shauno> oh.  nevermind that then
[10:41] <shauno> :p
[10:41] <exobuzz> "Documentation goes here" - my normal level of documentation ;-
[10:41] <MartijnVdS> exobuzz: "XXX TODO Write docs"
[10:41] <exobuzz> hehe yeh
[10:42] <willy_1977> you guys are over-documenting if you ask me...
[10:42] <willy_1977> your code needs to be clearer - send it for review :p
[10:42] <shauno> from what I gather, the way our product works is that one group writes the documenation
[10:42] <shauno> and then the devs are given the job of making it accurate
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> Oh and commit messages that go: "Fixed a bug" instead of "Fixed bug #1234: 'Clicking link X shows error page'"
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> *RAGE*
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> lubotu3: stfu :)
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> ahem sorry
[10:43] <MartijnVdS> st*u!
[10:44] <MartijnVdS> My commit messages for one-liner bugfixes tend to be 10 times as long as the patch :)
[10:44] <willy_1977> MartijnVdS: :D lubotu3 rage :D
[10:44] <willy_1977> my personal favourite commit messages:-
[10:44] <MartijnVdS> willy_1977: no the *RAGE* was about bad commit messages :)
[10:44] <willy_1977> are you sure...?
[10:44] <willy_1977> :p
[10:44] <MartijnVdS> .. as ewll
[10:45] <willy_1977> anyhow, personal fave:- commited by: adev
[10:45] <willy_1977> *RAGE*
[10:45] <MartijnVdS> "Yes, we know... the system tells us that already"
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> Explain the _why_ not the _what_ :)
[10:46] <MartijnVdS> The _what_ I can see (unified diff isn't magic)
[10:47] <willy_1977> :)
[10:47] <willy_1977> I was counting to 10
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> willy_1977: in binary 8-)
[10:48] <willy_1977> of course
[10:49] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:49] <willy_1977> brobostigon: good morning, how's you?
[10:49] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostiman
[10:50] <brobostigon> willy_1977:  my back really hurts. how about you?
[10:50] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: good morning, :)
[10:51] <willy_1977> brobostigon: sorry to hear that, I'm doing ok thanks.
[10:51] <brobostigon> willy_1977: :)
[10:55]  * willy_1977 will brb got to sort the kids out.
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> willy_1977: bubble sort? quick sort? :)
[10:56] <willy_1977> B.O.T.H. sort...
[10:56] <willy_1977> back of the... not really of course ;)
[10:56] <MartijnVdS> ;)
[10:59] <AlanBell> morning all
[10:59] <AlanBell> from the Guardian offices
[11:00] <brobostigon> morning AlanBell :)
[11:01] <Pendulum> hi AlanBell
[11:08] <AlanBell> hi Pendulum, how is conbust?
[11:08] <Pendulum> good :)
[11:10] <Pendulum> I ended up skipping the panel I mentioned yesterday, but I'm seeing friends I haven't seen in years and probably won't see again for at least a year or more
[11:10] <Pendulum> but one of them offered to send me books this summer :D
[11:10] <AlanBell> lovely
[11:11] <Pendulum> I would not be surprised if the other offers once she hears about my summer plans, but she showed up later so hasn't gotten the life update yet ;-)
[11:11] <Pendulum> friends in publishing ftw :)
[11:23] <willy_1977> AlanBell: morning, at the offices?
[11:23] <willy_1977> Pendulum: morning.
[11:26] <AlanBell> willy_1977: national hack the government day
[11:27] <AlanBell> geek takeover of the newsroom
[11:27] <willy_1977> AlanBell: sounds fun :)
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> Only geek news today!
[11:28] <willy_1977> and in further news... : 00111010
[11:30] <willy_1977> hmmm I have a non-responsive NetBeans IDE :( not a good start for it...
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> hmm vim
[11:30] <willy_1977> lol
[11:30] <willy_1977> ok ok... I take your point.
[11:31] <popey> exobuzz: oooo
[11:34] <czajkowski> popey: ello ello ello
[11:35] <popey> lo
[12:17] <willy_1977> bug #214370
[12:17] <willy_1977> picked a doozy for my first papercut me thinks...?
[12:17] <willy_1977> may have to find a "this label needs changing" ;)
[12:42] <alexcockell> Had to reboot my router..
[13:02] <hamitron> :)
[13:12] <exobuzz> popey, *cough* http://joggler.exotica.org.uk/img/ubuntunatty-v1.0alpha-btrfscom.img.gz
[13:13] <exobuzz> consider it a test/alpha release of course. no compiz right now, as I need to forcibly enable that. (or you can start it from commandline).
[13:14] <exobuzz> erk. sorry. scrap that.
[13:14] <exobuzz> i totally broke the image. i didnt notice the error when it was building
[13:15]  * exobuzz rebuilds without the typo he made. will be another 20 mins or so now. sorry
[13:26] <jagez> Are my ears deceiving me or did I just hear the police head of public order on BBC News 24 use the words "open source" in connection with a possible violent element who might turn up to disrupt today's rally?
[13:39]  * hamitron grumbles
[13:40] <hamitron> 3 decent comps here and only the newly uilt is stable.... so tempting to just unplug the others
[13:40] <hamitron> :/
[13:40]  * directhex whistles
[13:40] <hamitron> dh :)
[13:45] <exobuzz> popey, ok. the link should be ok now.
[14:16] <hamitron> omg, why is networking with windows so hard :/
[14:16] <hamitron> at this rate gonna be just using ftp
[14:16] <willy_1977> hamitron: s'up?
[14:17] <hamitron> can't get a share on a windows 7 comp to be seen by a windows xp comp
[14:17] <willy_1977> want some suggestions?
[14:17] <hamitron> I was using a ubuntu machine inbetween
[14:17] <hamitron> but then the psu went pop
[14:17] <hamitron> sure, plz :)
[14:17] <hamitron> "use linux"? ;)
[14:18] <willy_1977> :)
[14:18] <willy_1977> win 7 it's not enough just to share
[14:18] <willy_1977> as it was in prev. version of windows
[14:19] <willy_1977> it has a separate security tab too
[14:19] <willy_1977> have you set a user with access in there as well as sharing the folder?
[14:19] <MartijnVdS> You have to select "this is a trusted network" somewhere
[14:20] <willy_1977> yeah bit of an oversight...by me... are they on the same network or are you coming in from t'interweb etc.
[14:20] <hamitron> man, i never could work out gui configs
[14:20] <hamitron> :/
[14:21] <hamitron> yeh, on the same network
[14:21] <willy_1977> kk
[14:21] <hamitron> tbh, I transfered 70gb fine
[14:21] <hamitron> now I can't view the shares
[14:21] <willy_1977> :o
[14:21] <willy_1977> they still able to ping each other?
[14:22] <hamitron> but I suspect I may have messed everything up trying to fix it
[14:22] <hamitron> yep
[14:22] <willy_1977> any windows firewalls switched on?
[14:22] <hamitron> yes, but it didn't help turning them off
[14:23] <willy_1977> what do you get if you try and access just the c$ e.g. \\computernameorip\c$ ?
[14:23] <hamitron> from the xp machine?
[14:23] <willy_1977> yep, my guess is you'll get the enter your username/password gui
[14:24] <hamitron> ffs, got a blue screen and it powered off
[14:24] <hamitron> :(
[14:24] <willy_1977> ok I'd go with the following suggestion:-
 "use linux"? ;)
[14:24] <hamitron> haha
[14:25] <hamitron> I intend to
[14:25] <willy_1977> kk power it back up let's see what's going on for now.
[14:25] <hamitron> just wanting to get some data off this comp first
[14:26] <hamitron> k, brb then
[14:26] <hamitron> :)
[14:26] <willy_1977> so are they both on the same workgroup / domain?
[14:26] <willy_1977> ah ok.
[14:27] <hamitron> I could see the comp names
[14:27] <willy_1977> sounds as if that's fine.
[14:27] <willy_1977> let's check some stuff on win 7 then.
[14:28] <willy_1977> can you go to Control Panel \ All Control Panel Items \ Network and Sharing Center
[14:28] <willy_1977> and click on change advanced sharing settings
[14:28]  * daubers sends another snotty email to the estate agents
[14:29] <hamitron> there
[14:29] <willy_1977> just want to check that
[14:29] <willy_1977> turn on network discovery is set
[14:30] <willy_1977> turn on file and printer sharing is set
[14:30] <hamitron> both are
[14:30] <willy_1977> and turn on sharing so anyone with network access can read and write files in the public folders
[14:30] <hamitron> it is
[14:30] <willy_1977> cool
[14:31] <willy_1977> presumably you have access to an administrator user on the win7 machine?
[14:31] <hamitron> yeh
[14:32] <willy_1977> ok
[14:33] <willy_1977> if you close that down, and back to explorer you need to find the share...
[14:33] <hamitron> I've created a new folder directly on C to play with
[14:35] <willy_1977> memory is getting vague, if you right mouse click on that folder what options are there, sharing and security is that one option in win7 or is it two separate?
[14:36] <hamitron> there seems to be multiple ways to share
[14:36] <willy_1977> ok, give me a second I'm just booting up the win7 laptop ;)
[14:37] <hamitron> but my XP comp can't even view the shares on my win7 comp
[14:39] <willy_1977> ok, I'll get back in a second I'll try it here see what I get.
[14:39] <hamitron> ty
[14:39] <willy_1977> np
[14:46] <hamitron> ohhhh
[14:46] <hamitron> can see files from win7 comp
[14:54] <hamitron> and gone
[14:56] <hamitron> gonna just put another hdd in the comp
[14:56] <hamitron> ;/
[15:07] <willy_1977> kk
[15:18] <willy_1977> fwiw it's this homegroup thing, I can't seem to get that to disable and play nicely with XP :/
[15:20] <matti> issyl0: *hug*
[15:25] <MartijnVdS> argh.. mplayer Y U NO DO PROPER diseqc
[15:29] <directhex> diseqc, lol
[15:31] <em> what is the most common/standard TLD in the UK?
[15:32] <MartijnVdS> directhex: diseqc is useful :)
[15:32] <em> if a person was making a website and wanted a presence in the UK, is .co.uk the one to get?
[15:32] <directhex> em, ys
[15:32] <directhex> yes
[15:32] <MartijnVdS> directhex: especially if you have 3 satellites to choose from :)
[15:32] <em> directhex: not .uk ?
[15:32] <directhex> MartijnVdS, but anything that's not astra2/eurobird1 is filled with foreigners and porn!
[15:32] <directhex> em, no.
[15:33] <hamitron> is there any way for linux to read these daft RAID setups?
[15:33] <gord> em, we follow the standards setout back in the day. so .co.uk is most common
[15:33] <em> im sorry for having to ask but when you say 'no' does that mean 'no, not .uk' or 'no, you are not it's not, not .uk, it actually should be .uk' ?
[15:33] <gord> its kinda strange really, everyone else just uses .de or .jp or whatever
[15:33] <MartijnVdS> gord: except for a few exceptions, like bl.uk :)
[15:33] <em> okay i see thanks very much
[15:33] <directhex> gord, nein
[15:34] <directhex> gord, the japanese do it right too
[15:34] <directhex> it's amazon.co.jp, but amazon.de
[15:34] <gord> there are quite a few just .jp sites though
[15:34] <gord> i guess thats for non commercial stuff? argh, i don't even care :(
[15:34] <directhex> "Locations using this include India (.in), Indonesia (.id), Israel (.il), the United Kingdom (.uk), New Zealand (.nz), Japan (.jp), South Korea (.kr) and Cook Islands (.ck)"
[15:35] <gord> this is the single most dull and boring topic we could possibly talk about
[15:35] <MartijnVdS> gord: OK, suggest a new topic :)
[15:35] <hamitron> help hami recover his movie collection instead ;)
[15:35] <directhex> cake
[15:35] <directhex> cake is tasty
[15:35] <issyl0> matti: ! *hug*
[15:35] <gord> how about we talk about how awesome my 3ds is?
[15:35] <gord> and how me having one makes me better somehow
[15:35] <hamitron> gord: you got it?
[15:35] <MartijnVdS> directhex: Short skirts, loooong jacket?
[15:36] <gord> i did
[15:36] <hamitron> :D
[15:36] <hamitron> gone screwy eyed yet?
[15:36] <gord> nope, i don't get that. maybe i'm just used to 3d. had a 3d tv for quite a while
[15:36] <directhex> gord, pfft, i laugh at your low-resolution 3d cameras on your 3ds
[15:36]  * hamitron likes his psp
[15:37] <gord> directhex, well it doesn't have a very high resolution to display ;)
[15:37] <gord> all the AR stuff using the 3d camera's is impressive though
[15:38] <directhex> but if you take a 3d photo, how does it look when viewed on your 3d tv?
[15:38] <gord> i don't think you can transfer photos around like that
[15:39] <directhex> sure you can. they're just .mpo files
[15:39] <directhex> there's a free app in PSN for viewing them
[15:39] <gord> at any rate, the 3ds is a poor 3d camera, thats really not what its for ;)
[15:40] <gord> it comes with a game where you scan in your face and heads fly about with your face on it and you have to shoot them. so i scanned in my cats face. terrifying.
[15:40] <directhex> caaaaat face!
[15:40] <directhex> he is a big cat face!
[15:41] <directhex> he has the body of a cat, and the face of a cat!
[15:41] <alexcockell> Anyone else watching the footage of everything kicking off in London?
[15:42] <directhex> nope
[15:42] <MartijnVdS> I am now :)
[15:43] <MartijnVdS> or will be, once mplayer decides to work
[15:44] <MartijnVdS> alexcockell: that doesn't look like a riot
[15:45] <directhex> i predict a riot
[15:45] <directhex> iiiiiiii predict a riot
[15:45] <alexcockell> BBC aree keeping away from it - Sky News are running footage where it's all kicking off..
[15:46] <matti> issyl0: ;]
[15:47] <MartijnVdS> alexcockell: Ah, commerce > news I see :)
[15:48] <alexcockell> I'm Freeview only..
[15:48] <directhex> i think charlie brooker has a few words to say on the topic
[15:49] <MartijnVdS> alexcockell: I only get freesat here, but Sky News was showing commercials when I switched to it :)
[16:14] <Myrtti> myyyh.
[16:14] <willy_1977> parp
[16:34] <Azelphur> whats the command to check a drive for errors
[16:35] <Azelphur> just built a pc for my cousin hes making a 2 hour drive and all of a sudden it wont boot, paniced here
[16:36] <penguin42> Azelphur: smartctl -a
[16:37] <Azelphur> that takes like 8 hours, I have 1
[16:37] <Azelphur> and there can't be anything wrong with the drive I just swapped it out lol
[16:37] <penguin42> Azelphur: Well then start driving the other way
[16:37] <Azelphur> haha
[16:37] <hamitron> does it work with a livecd?
[16:37] <penguin42> Azelphur: smartctl -a will give you the error log instantly
[16:37] <Azelphur> yes
[16:37] <Azelphur> ok
[16:38] <Azelphur> basically I was installing wine1.3 and it went read only filesystem on me
[16:38] <Azelphur> it did this before I thought it was the HD so I swapped it out
[16:38] <Azelphur> and then it worked fine for 48 hours, and sods law he does it when hes on his way
[16:38] <Seeker`> Bluray playback on linux \o/
[16:39] <willy_1977> hamitron: how'd you go on? I've tried all sorts with this and cannot get my xp laptop to play nicely with win7, tbh though that's not going to be helped by one being attached to a domain and another a workgroup ;)
[16:40] <Azelphur> penguin42, http://pastebin.com/XCqfGu8m
[16:40] <Azelphur> I think it might have been a bad SATA cable since I swapped the HD it's kinda the only thing left
[16:40] <hamitron> willy_1977: I've given up
[16:40] <hamitron> windows is just crap
[16:40] <hamitron> and my own fault for using it
[16:41] <hamitron> I'd forgotten how much hassle you get with it
[16:41] <penguin42> Azelphur: That's a happy drive
[16:41] <Azelphur> yay
[16:41] <Azelphur> I knew it was :D
[16:41] <Azelphur> so bad cable should fix it?
[16:41] <penguin42> Azelphur: When the FS went RO did you manage to capture the rest of the errors?
[16:41] <penguin42> Azelphur: The question is WHY did it go RO
[16:42] <Azelphur> no I didn't sorry
[16:43] <willy_1977> hamitron: well, windows is ok but every so often a new version comes out with some new features - e.g. when xp first came out you put one of those on your network and in it's inifinite wisdom it took over security duties if your domain controllers were older...
[16:43] <hamitron> willy_1977: maybe I am just too dumb to use windows
[16:43] <hamitron> ;)
[16:43] <willy_1977> :D I'm too dumb to use linux then ;)
[16:44] <hamitron> will have to just stick with linux
[16:44] <hamitron> apart from graphics, I've never had issues with linux distros tbh
[16:45] <willy_1977> fair do's, the other thought I had was boot off a livecd on the win7 machine then you'd be networking xp to linux?
[16:45] <hamitron> well
[16:45] <hamitron> my main problem is the XP machine has a weird RAID 0 setup
[16:46] <willy_1977> ah
[16:46] <Azelphur> penguin42, e2fsk was spamming arrays of negative values lol
[16:46] <penguin42> Azelphur: That's very very bad
[16:46] <Azelphur> I'm just gonna reload windows and skip Ubuntu for now and cross fingers it doesn't come back
[16:46] <Azelphur> because my cousin arrived
[16:46] <hamitron> else I'd of done that long ago out of choice :)
[16:46] <penguin42> Azelphur: Run a memcheck
[16:46] <Azelphur> I have done it passed
[16:46] <Azelphur> I ran memcheck and smart and everything before I told him to come
[16:46] <Azelphur> it was all working :/
[16:51] <jonsaint> hi all. ive installed the google earth programme but i cant get it to run. it appears in my applications>internet folder but when clicked on nothing happens. ive tried to instal it 3 times now. any ideas??
[16:52] <jacobw> jonsaint: which version of ubuntu?
[16:53] <jacobw> (and google earth?)
[16:53] <willy_1977> hamitron: I did wonder as I was typing it...
[16:53] <jacobw> jonsaint: how are you trying to install it/
[16:53] <jonsaint> 10.10 and its the latest one off their site
[16:54] <hamitron> willy_1977: I think I'm going to have to try get it working, it is still bugging me
[16:54] <hamitron> :)
[16:55] <willy_1977> hamitron: yep, me too I hate leaving things like that... :/
[16:56] <jacobw> jonsaint: try `sudo apt-get install lsb-core`
[16:56] <jacobw> jonsaint: then try starting google earth again
[16:57] <jonsaint> cheers jacobw. by the way, i did know how to do this but forgot, how do you send private messages (in red)
[16:57] <jacobw> `/msg jacobw hello`
[16:58] <jacobw> we don't often use private messaging
[16:58] <jonsaint> there was an easier way that that and you typed the first few letters and the names come up
[16:58] <jacobw> yeah, type the first few letters and press tab
[16:59] <jonsaint> ah yes thats it
[16:59] <jonsaint> cheers jacobw
[16:59] <jacobw> jo<tab> autocompletes your nick
[16:59] <jacobw> no problem, i found the tip on the ubuntu wiki, be sure to check it out in future
[16:59] <jacobw> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GoogleEarth
[17:00] <jonsaint> thanks for the help and advice :-)
[17:11] <danfish> grr - first czajkowski's Ireland beats England, now dutchie's Oxford is beating Cambridge at the paddling
[17:12] <Seeker`> haha
[17:13] <Seeker`> "paddling"
[17:13] <danfish> :D
[17:14] <willy_1977> I see it's the same teams in the final of the "paddling" ... again!
[17:17] <brobostigon> oxford have it.
[17:18] <danfish> they paddled very well
[17:19] <brobostigon> lol
[17:21] <danfish> I never took to it myself - you had to get up at 6am 3 days a week and paddle down the same stretch of river day after day
[17:47]  * AlanBell is done coding at #nhtg11
[17:47] <AlanBell> just the presentations to do
[17:47] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/votegeek/av/calculations.html if you want to play with the stuff I made
[17:48] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/votegeek/av/presentation.pdf for the presentation
[17:51] <danfish> very nice AlanBell
[17:51] <ging> it has added spooky smoke
[18:09] <DJones> !sound
[18:15] <danfish> as a pound
[18:16] <DJones> danfish: Inflation, its £1.50 now :)
[18:18] <danfish> inflation - don't get me started
[18:19] <danfish> I remember when a pint was 80 new pence
[18:21] <marxjohnson> ee, when I were a lad it was down the mines if you wanted a pint, we'd dig our own out of the rock
[18:24] <danfish> we didn't have rock
[18:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: Your proggy has just locked up Firefox :-(
[18:26] <danfish> huh - these amateur coders :p
[20:21] <daubers> Evening
[20:22] <willy_1977> daubers: evening
[20:22] <oimon> evening
[20:34] <suprengr> o/
[20:35] <suprengr> anyone know what's happened to the U-UK server [not available]?
[20:36] <popey> works for me
[20:37] <daubers> popey: I get server not found...
[20:37] <popey> when you do what?
[20:38] <daubers> When I browse to http://www.ubuntu-uk.org/
[20:38] <oimon> broken for me too
[20:38] <popey> its ubuntu-uk.org
[20:38] <popey> not www
[20:38] <popey> :)
[20:38] <popey> (and its up)
[20:38] <oimon> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ubuntu-uk.org
[20:38] <popey> i am looking at it right now
[20:38] <popey> and refreshing
[20:38] <oimon> :P
[20:39] <jacobw> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ubuntu-uk.org
[20:39] <jacobw> oh
[20:39] <popey> its up
[20:39] <oimon> i blame the protesters
[20:39] <willy_1977> it's not looking promising here either...
[20:39] <daubers> popey: Also, it with no www's it directs me to the www version
[20:40] <gord> www/nowww work fine for me
[20:40] <popey> honestly, its up
[20:40] <oimon> still bust
[20:40] <gord> i believe you, its these other guys i'm not sure about ;)
[20:40] <willy_1977> down :(
[20:40] <mgdm> this virgrim media DNS seems not to be able to resolve it
[20:40] <daubers> If I change my DNS to google it works
[20:41] <daubers> Looks like the plusnet dns isn't resolving it either
[20:41] <oimon> using opendns
[20:41] <mgdm> opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL
[20:41] <oimon> still broke
[20:42] <oimon> what does www resolve to?
[20:42] <popey> Domain Name:UBUNTU-UK.ORG
[20:42] <popey> Created On:21-Jan-2005 02:27:21 UTC
[20:42] <popey> Last Updated On:24-Mar-2011 07:36:02 UTC
[20:42] <popey> helllooooo
[20:43] <daubers> Heh :)
[20:43] <gord> detective popey solved the case!
[20:43] <popey> I blame Daviey
[20:43] <mgdm> heh
[20:43] <oimon> trying to setup rsync on my nslu2 while wifey is out
[20:44] <oimon> gonna lose sleep over this toinght...1hr to be precise
[20:44] <jacobw> ;)
[20:46] <willy_1977> hopefully... be back shortly... :/ but I've been messing so it may be a switch the thing off in anger and come back tomorrow affair :D
[20:48] <suprengr> don't understand how others receiving ok...  "It's not just you! http://ubuntu-uk.org looks down from here."
[20:49] <oimon> it is here too, but i think it's a DNS problem
[20:49] <oimon> if someone posts the IP address of the site , that will probably work for us
[20:49] <suprengr> dns = duff name server ;[
[20:50] <gord> switch yer dns out to google's dns (or something of equally high quality) - never had a problem with google's dns service
[20:51] <gord> 8.8.2.2 isn't it?
[20:51] <daubers> 8.8.8.8
[20:52] <oimon> using 8.8.8.8: Host www.ubuntu-uk.org not found: 2(SERVFAIL)
[20:52] <oimon> maybe you have it cached
[20:53]  * Daviey wonders what he did?
[20:53] <Daviey> Oh dear...
[20:53] <Daviey> I've just checked a bunch of sub domains directly against the designated nameservers, and they are all returning null
[20:53] <Daviey> Either, someone has busted it... or it's an issue the with provider.
[20:53] <Daviey> I'm banking on the provider.
[20:53] <Daviey> If it IS working for anyone, it is cached.
[20:53] <Daviey> The nameservers providing the info are not providing data.
[20:54] <daubers> \o/
[20:54] <oimon> i blame the supermoon
[20:54] <mgdm> Daviey: does it not just need renewed?
[20:55] <mgdm> Status:TRANSFERPERIOD
[20:55] <mgdm> Status:RENEWPERIOD
[20:56] <oimon> btw does ubuntuone work with symlinks yet? i want to keep my liferea config in sync over several machines
[20:56] <Daviey> mgdm, Expiration Date:21-Jan-2014 02:27:21 UTC
[20:56] <Daviey> mgdm, the dns servers associated are returning null data.... even if the domain was somehow lost, they should still provide valid data
[20:56] <mgdm> Daviey: ah
[20:57]  * suprengr thinks popey has private carrier pigeon U_UK to himself
[20:57] <oimon> or a /etc/hosts entry
[20:58] <oimon> or he visits every day, so his cache is up to date
[20:59] <suprengr> but... <popey> i am looking at it right now
 and refreshing
[21:00] <Daviey> I missed that quote... but yes, it works in my browser aswell.. but i have it cached.
[21:00] <suprengr> popey: you got a carrier pidgeon?
[21:03] <Daviey> Those that cannot load ubuntu-uk.org, please can you try ubuntu-se.org and see if you get the same result please?
[21:03] <suprengr> Firefox can't find the server at www.ubuntu-se.org.
[21:03] <Daviey> okay, thanks.
[21:04] <oimon> Host ubuntu-se.org not found: 2(SERVFAIL)
[21:04] <Daviey> I *hope* it's a transient error with the DNS provider.
[21:07] <oimon> dns1.noris.net ..well known DNS provider :P
[21:08] <oimon> refusing requests
[21:08] <mgdm> chuck.noris.net will never fail
[21:09] <oimon> :)
[21:14] <popey> btw I am using 8.8.8.8 and probably have it cached
[21:14] <gord> oh lord, the 3ds has a feature that lets you "merge" your face with someone elses. its the most fun i have had in ages because it doesn't work very well :D here is my face "merged" with popular boxer frank bruno http://i.imgur.com/ZDj9a.jpg
[21:18] <mgdm> that's distinctly terrifying
[21:19] <oimon> lol 3ds fail
[21:19] <oimon> try it on a flower
[21:20] <oimon> i'm sure gimp was supposed to have a unified interface by now :(
[21:22] <gord> someone has suggested to me arnold cattinator. must make this a reality.
[21:25] <oimon> reminds me of the 1950s original of the fly
[21:25] <oimon> the dodgy special effects and the face on the fly
[21:32] <phonex01> gus i will get crazy
[21:32] <phonex01> guys help
[21:32] <phonex01> im using strcpy function in c code and i have " fragmentation fault ??"
[21:33] <phonex01> what the hell is this error
[21:34] <mgdm> I think you mean "segmentation fault"
[21:34] <phonex01> ya
[21:34] <phonex01> sorry it is segmentation fault
[21:34] <phonex01> what is this
[21:34] <phonex01> !
[21:34] <mgdm> it likely means that you've not malloc()ed any space for the destination string
[21:34] <bigcalm> mgdm: evening :) Done much WP hacking?
[21:34] <mgdm> bigcalm: 'lo, and a wee bit, not much
[21:35] <phonex01> mgdm what do you mean ?
[21:35] <phonex01> how can i solve that
[21:35] <bigcalm> I'm trying to fix a plugin by somebody that uses wp_kses_stripslashes() on the output. I was wondering why one would use this function instead of just stripslashes(). The function wp_kses_stripslashes() is leaving escaped apostrophes \' in the output
[21:35] <mgdm> phonex01: I recommend reading a proper C tutorial
[21:35] <phonex01> i did
[21:35] <phonex01> this is the code
[21:35] <phonex01> char *t1="t1t1t1t1t1t1";
[21:35] <phonex01> char *t2="t2t2t2t2t2t2";
[21:36] <phonex01> it is simple !
[21:36] <mgdm> you're trying to overwrite t2 with t1? that won't work
[21:36] <mgdm> they're const strings, which means they can't be changed
[21:36] <xapel> Can anyone perhaps help me with resetting the region on my HP printer?
[21:36] <phonex01> there is no const identifer ?
[21:37] <mgdm> the fact that they're declared in that way, with the literal strings in "", means they're const
[21:37] <phonex01> so what i have to do ?
[21:38] <mgdm> right, this is a bit off topic, and I'm not best qualified to teach C, but: you'll need to do something like    char *dst = malloc(strlen(t1) + 1);
[21:38] <gord> phonex01, use strdup. ala: char *t1 = "Hello World!"; char t2 = strdup (t1); - remember to free t2 when you are done
[21:40] <phonex01> strdup ?
[21:40] <phonex01> for copying too ?
[21:40] <mgdm> yeah, assuming if you want a precise copy of the string, you cna use strdup
[21:40] <phonex01> wait i will try that
[21:41] <phonex01> can i determine the length ???
[21:41] <phonex01> i mean how much letters to copy ?
[21:41] <phonex01> ok it is working fine
[21:42] <phonex01> but t2 does not have the same pointer as t1 right ???
[21:42] <phonex01> i mean strdup create new pointer ?? right ?
[21:42] <mgdm> yes
[21:44] <phonex01> ok how can i use it for specific # of digits
[21:44] <phonex01> i mean like strcpy (t1,t2,3) ;
[22:03] <dwatkins> oh, I guess phonex01 left, then
[22:04]  * dwatkins just looked-up strncat and wonders if there's a possible issue with buffer overruns with these functions
[22:04] <silko> Hu
[22:04] <silko> Hi
[22:04] <dwatkins> Lo
[22:05] <silko> anyone use a BT Home Hub with Ubuntu on pc
[22:05] <Seeker`> silko: yup
[22:06] <silko> can connect to the hub using wireless but get an error on the web browser saying BT Home Hub cant connect to broadband
[22:07] <silko> are there some settings on the wireless connections that we need to change
[22:08] <daftykins> if you're getting a message from the homehub, i'd imagine you're connected fine
[22:09] <daftykins> silko: open a terminal and ping the router IP
[22:09] <silko> yep ... home hub has blue constant light
[22:09] <daftykins> that'll show you're chatting to it fine
[22:09] <silko> seems its connected to the hub as would not get the message on the browser
[22:10] <silko> not sure what else could be the prob .... we think constant blue light means Hub has no probs either
[22:11] <daftykins> have you gotten up the webpage of it?
[22:11] <daftykins> to look at connection stats etc.
[22:11] <jacobw> have you restarted the hub?
[22:12] <daftykins> i've never used one
[22:12] <jacobw> it can do stupid things
[22:12] <silko> we had webpage come up , also tried full re boot of Hub and PC
[22:12] <daftykins> haha
[22:13] <silko> I am guessing BT will not support Ubuntu on the prob
[22:14] <silko> dont want to use Windoze
[22:14] <jacobw> networking is os independent
[22:14] <silko> so anyone have a BT Hub v2
[22:14] <jacobw> so you can log in the homehub web interface at 192.168.1.254?
[22:15] <jacobw> i've got one..
[22:15] <suprengr> silko: have you *ever* connected through this hub using OS?
[22:15] <silko> yep can do ... not sure what to do from there
[22:15] <suprengr> *any OS
[22:15] <jacobw> silko, try running `ping 208.67.222.222` in a terminal
[22:16] <jacobw> perhaps this is a DNS issue..
[22:16] <silko> will try
[22:16] <Seeker`> silko: does the home hub have a constant blue "B" AND wireless sign?
[22:16] <silko> yes its constant
[22:18] <jacobw> silko, sorry, `ping -c 5 208.67.222.222`
[22:18] <jacobw> what do the last three lines say?
[22:19] <silko> jacobw, will try it as its on my dads comp but not with me at mo ... what should we see when we try this
[22:20] <jacobw> 5 packets transmitted, 5 packets received
[22:20] <zleap> i think ping -c 5 just pings 5 times
[22:20] <zleap> where as ping ip just keeps going
[22:20] <silko> ok and if works
[22:20] <silko> ?
[22:20] <daftykins> yeah, it's count 5
[22:21] <daftykins> silko: it's pretty obvious from the feedback you get
[22:22] <silko> if soemone already uses 10.10 lts on a BT home hub v2 and did not have to change any settings then Im confused
[22:23] <jacobw> that is a good point
[22:23] <silko> anyone know of anyone who has
[22:23] <jacobw> i'm using 10.10 now with a homehub
[22:24] <jacobw> the settings on my homehub aren't any different to default configuration
[22:24] <Seeker`> silko: what exactly is the problem you are having? You can't access webpages?
[22:24] <silko> cant access the internet
[22:24] <Seeker`> silko: if so, it probably isn't anything to do with the interaction between OS and router
[22:24] <silko> can access the hub
[22:25] <Seeker`> pastebin the output of
[22:25] <Seeker`> tracepath bath.ac.uk
[22:25] <jacobw> if you can ping a public ip address but not access web pages through a web browser it indicates a DNS misconfiguration
[22:25]  * suprengr goes bye byes...  1hr less to kip tonight before back on call
[22:26] <jacobw> which can be rectified by setting 208.67.222.222 as your dns server, which is opendns
[22:26] <jacobw> bb suprengr
[22:26] <Seeker`> don't think there is a problem with the BT DNS atm
[22:26] <silko> ok will try this and pop back morrow if ok ... thanks to all for help
[22:26] <jacobw> :) no problems
[22:28] <HazRPG> hi
[22:28] <jacobw> o/
[22:29] <HazRPG> I think I've been asleep a lil too long
[22:29] <HazRPG> jacobw: o/
[22:29] <jacobw> hehe
[22:29] <jacobw> well.. good day for it
[22:29] <HazRPG> not when you loose all of it :P
[22:33] <Daviey> wow, are we still talking about this?
[22:37] <HazRPG> talking about what?
[22:38]  * dwatkins notes that xorg.conf has moved
[22:39] <daubers> Anyone fancy a trip to the British Library between May and September sometime?
[22:40] <daubers> New SciFi exhibition
[22:40] <HazRPG> where is that?
[22:40] <daftykins> what's a library?
[22:41] <daubers> London somewhere
[22:41] <HazRPG> hmm, could be fun
[22:42] <daubers> http://www.bl.uk/whatson/exhibitions/outofthisworld/outofthisworld.html
[22:45] <dwatkins> cool, daubers - although I moved to Edinburgh, so will have to pop in when visiting family or something
[22:45] <daubers> \o/
[22:46] <HazRPG> daubers: maybe we can bring it up at the next meeting :)
[22:46] <daubers> sounds like a plan
[22:46] <daubers> I'll pop it on the Agenda tommorrow
[22:47] <HazRPG> daubers: \o/
[22:47] <HazRPG> why delay, due today!
[22:47] <daubers> HazRPG: Sleepy, just packing up for bed
[22:48] <daubers> HazRPG: I need to add a couple of things anyway, but they're political and complicated and not for a sleepy head
[22:48] <HazRPG> heh, fair enough :)
[22:48]  * HazRPG should really check agenda see if much has been added since he is going to be the one doing it n all
[22:51] <HazRPG> wow 4 more nights away
[22:57] <HazRPG> hmm, Caffeine 2.2 doesn't seem to be as good as it use to be at its detection of flash and other fullscreen stuff
[23:00] <jacobw> Caffeine?
[23:01] <HazRPG> jacobw: yeah, stops screensaver from activating
[23:01] <jacobw> I see
[23:01] <daubers> HazRPG: Done
[23:02] <HazRPG> daubers: oh, thought you weren't going to till tomorrow
[23:04] <daubers> HazRPG: Did it now anyway, although the formatting is wrong and I can't see why :(
[23:04] <HazRPG> daubers: hmm
[23:05] <daubers> Bah
[23:05] <daubers> I give up
[23:05] <daubers> stupid wiki
[23:05]  * HazRPG tries to see where he stored the bookmark for it
[23:05] <daubers> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeamMeetingAgenda
[23:05] <HazRPG> this looks about right: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeamMeetingAgenda
[23:05] <HazRPG> daubers: ^^
[23:06] <HazRPG> oh yeah, that's odd
[23:06] <daubers> HazRPG: Look at the formatting for the [TOPIC] line of the exhibition thing
[23:06] <daubers> :)
[23:06] <HazRPG> not use to doing this... so I'll see if I can fix it :)
[23:07] <daubers> I had a go, but got fed up quickly
[23:07] <daubers> It's defo not the wiki word
[23:07] <daubers> Also note that the line spacing between bullets changes as it goes down the page
[23:08] <HazRPG> oh yeah
[23:08] <HazRPG> that could  be what's causing it
[23:08]  * daubers blames shoddy wiki software
[23:09] <daubers> also
[23:09]  * daubers heads to bed
[23:09] <daubers> Night all o/
[23:10] <HazRPG> wonder if it's the < > you added that's doing it
[23:10] <HazRPG> daubers: alright dude, night
[23:24] <HazRPG> argh!
[23:24] <HazRPG> someone make it work!
[23:26] <czajkowski> danfish: heheheh
[23:28] <HazRPG> silly wiki >_<
[23:29] <HazRPG> czajkowski: ooo, have you used the wiki before? Maybe you can see something I'm missing?
[23:29] <czajkowski> which wiki
[23:29] <HazRPG> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeamMeetingAgenda <== that one
[23:30] <HazRPG> formatting is going funny
[23:30] <HazRPG> its adding linespaces between bullet points, and is missing out a heading
[23:31] <czajkowski> hmm
[23:31] <HazRPG> although, can't see anything wrong with the actual formatting when editing
[23:32] <czajkowski> cant lot into lp now
[23:32] <czajkowski> I suspect a space or something is missing or too many
[23:33] <czajkowski> let me try something
[23:33] <HazRPG> czajkowski: i can do a pastebin if ya want :)
[23:34] <czajkowski> no tis fine
[23:34] <AlanBell> evening all
[23:34] <HazRPG> AlanBell: evening :)
[23:35] <HazRPG> doh! I should really get ready... mates leaving do is a foot!
[23:36] <czajkowski> cant fix it sorry
[23:36] <AlanBell> what are you doing czajkowski?
[23:36] <HazRPG> its alright, thanks for trying though :)
[23:37] <HazRPG> AlanBell: daubers added stuff to the wiki, and was having trouble getting the formatting to work properly
[23:37] <AlanBell> ah ok, well bedtime now I will fix tomorrow if it is still broken then
[23:38] <HazRPG> cool :)
[23:38] <HazRPG> thanks dude :)
[23:39] <HazRPG> I'm going to be doing a review of it later tonight to see if its missing anything
[23:41] <HazRPG> right, think I'm almost ready to hit the shin dig...
[23:41] <HazRPG> ah, crud... haven't got anything to take down with me... and tesco's is shut on a Sat. night
[23:42] <exobuzz> popey, did you get the download ?
[23:43] <exobuzz> popey, maybe not and perhaps its not ideal to post a link hours before you might be here in the hope you see it in the scrollback ;-)
[23:58] <HazRPG> exobuzz: could send him an IM :)
[23:58] <exobuzz> <- lazy
[23:59] <exobuzz> ill msg him when hes on