[00:21] <thethomaseffect> airurando:  still around?
[00:53] <thethomaseffect> infoturtle:  Hello there
[00:53] <infoturtle> thethomaseffect hello!! :D
[00:53] <thethomaseffect> infoturtle:  I was told to speak with you about ubuntu-ie.org related stuff
[00:54] <infoturtle> ok cool, whats up?
[00:55] <thethomaseffect> I was wondering if it would be okay to update the sites theme to match more closely with ubuntus recent branding
[00:55] <thethomaseffect> I already created a prototype theme with what I'm talking about, here's a screenshot: http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa1/gilgameish/site_prototype_1.png
[00:55] <infoturtle> thats not actually a bad idea and it would be possible
[00:56] <infoturtle> very neat looking indeed
[00:57] <thethomaseffect> Thank you :)
[00:57] <infoturtle> I'd be happy to look into it if people want the change
[00:57] <airurando> thethomaseffect: sorry been focussing on other stuff.
[00:57] <infoturtle> hey airurando
[00:57] <airurando> hi infoturtle
[00:57] <airurando> infoturtle: you go mail
[00:58] <thethomaseffect> Cool, I was also wondering if the site's software could be updated to Drupal 7? I could handle this if I had the FTP details easily, if it's as easy as Joomlas update process it should be a cinch. I can install drupal 6 on my local web server and upgrade that to make sure it all runs smoothly
[00:58] <infoturtle> so I do!
[00:59] <airurando> thethomaseffect: I like it alot to.
[00:59] <thethomaseffect> airurando:  Was just going to ask your opinion on a prototype theme i made, link is up above
[00:59] <thethomaseffect> airurando:  Oh cheers!
[02:05] <infoturtle> thethomaseffect: I'm back, sorry bout that
[02:05] <thethomaseffect> infoturtle:  np
[02:07] <infoturtle> If people are for the Drupal and theme changes we can go ahead and look into it, I would feel it unfair to do this without consulting the rest first
[02:07] <infoturtle> But I am for the idea
[02:08] <thethomaseffect> I proposed it on the mailing list and should be around for the next IRC meeting so it's all dandy
[02:08] <airurando> infoturtle: has the site been migrated to blacknight?
[02:08] <airurando> I am for the idea also.
[02:09] <thethomaseffect> I'm just in a doing things mood today since all i've been doing is rooting around in Wordpress's SVN repository :)
[02:09] <infoturtle> nope, there was talk of getting that done but I have not heard anything about it in a while
[02:09] <airurando> but I think we can only upgrade Drupal when hosting is transferred
[02:09] <infoturtle> well then should we make the move?
[02:10] <airurando> yes
[02:10] <airurando> that is the plan
[02:10] <airurando> blacknight offered to sponsor hosting some time ago
[02:11] <airurando> believe it still stands
[02:11] <airurando> ebel can confirm
[02:12] <infoturtle> I'll also have to get passwords off him as a short while ago 3 hard drives broke and everything was lost
[02:12] <thethomaseffect> 3? ouch
[02:12] <airurando> current hosting is quite limited in terms of what you can achieve.
[02:12] <infoturtle> ok I'll talk with ebel on the move and get it osrted
[02:12] <airurando> good stuff
[02:13] <infoturtle> thethomaseffect, yep and 2 dvd's and my BIOS went too
[02:13] <infoturtle> :c
[02:14] <thethomaseffect> infoturtle:  wow, just what were you doing with your computer?! :D
[02:15] <infoturtle> I thought it was the PS for a while there but things are fine again now? it was just odd it seems
[02:15] <thethomaseffect> I can porbabely be on hand to help during the migration, though I've never migrated a CMS before. I'd assume blacknight would handle it anyways.
[02:15] <infoturtle> Took one apart and put pictures and a guide on the site
[02:16] <infoturtle> http://infoturtle.ie/topics/harddrive.php
[02:16] <thethomaseffect> infoturtle:  Yeah PS was my first thought too. Maybe you just annoyed the tech gods
[02:17] <infoturtle> I have been referred to as the tech anti-Christ so maybe I have upset someone
[02:17] <thethomaseffect> Running a virtual machine inside a virtual machine inside a virtual machine or something similar? :P
[02:18] <infoturtle> http://www.picshag.com/pics/022011/windows-inception.jpg
[02:18] <infoturtle> thats the one alright
[02:20] <airurando> ping fagan
[02:20] <thethomaseffect> hahahahahaha that's excellent!
[02:21] <airurando> thethomaseffect: fagan replied to your mail to the list.
[02:21] <infoturtle> ya, it's a classic alright
[02:21] <thethomaseffect> airurando:  Aye, and i replied back :)
[02:21] <airurando> ah. cool
[02:22] <thethomaseffect> I'll have to send it to my friend, he's always warned me about my dream of running a hell of a lot of virtual machines :)
[02:23] <infoturtle> Why would you want to run a load of VM's?
[02:23] <thethomaseffect> although strangely purple is present on the canonical design doc i got in the footer http://design.canonical.com/brand/B.%20Complete%20Ubuntu%20brand%20guide%20-%20November%202010.pdf
[02:23] <airurando> With two kids I should NOT be up at this hour!
[02:23] <airurando> I'm of to bed
[02:23] <thethomaseffect> just after the heading "A vibrant palette"
[02:23] <thethomaseffect> airurando:  nn
[02:23] <infoturtle> nite airurando
[02:23] <airurando> keep up the good work thethomaseffect and infoturtle
[02:24] <airurando> nn
[02:24] <infoturtle> we'll try
[02:24] <thethomaseffect> infoturtle:  No real reason, it's just a joke between us, kind of like the IT Crowd's "If you type google into google, you'll break the internet"
[02:24] <thethomaseffect> cheers airurando, will do
[02:25] <infoturtle> haha love that show
[02:25] <thethomaseffect> yeah it's excellent
[02:26] <thethomaseffect> VampiricPadraig:  Hello Padraig, nice to see you here!
[02:26] <VampiricPadraig> hi thethomaseffect, I am a regular in here :P
[02:27] <thethomaseffect> infoturtle:  much better than the big bang theory in my opinion, not a fan of that show at all
[02:27] <infoturtle> oh ya?
[02:27] <thethomaseffect> VampiricPadraig:  I haven't been on here in about a year, it's good to be back
[02:27] <infoturtle> I love that sheldon said Ubuntu was his fav linux in one episode
[02:27] <infoturtle> love that show too
[02:27] <thethomaseffect> yeah that was all good and well
[02:28] <thethomaseffect> but there was canned laughter afterwards
[02:28] <infoturtle> I can understand that disliking alright
[02:28] <thethomaseffect> "Ah Ubuntu, you're my favorite linux-based distribution" is not nearly nerdy enough to warrant a laugh :D
[02:28] <thethomaseffect> My sister could say that
[02:29] <thethomaseffect> and recently she rang me up and asked how to install the internet :D
[02:29] <infoturtle> .............
[02:29] <infoturtle> oh mna
[02:29] <infoturtle> thats bad
[02:29] <infoturtle> *man
[02:29] <infoturtle> ggggggrrrrrrr hate this keyboard!
[02:29] <thethomaseffect> I was on a bus at the time, and i raged so loudly people at the front turned around :)
[02:30] <infoturtle> thats classic!
[02:30] <infoturtle> I must go back to Windows now tho to play some quick unreal and then bed
[02:30] <thethomaseffect> I love that game
[02:31] <thethomaseffect> was playing it just last weekend
[02:31] <infoturtle> so I'll be in touch thethomaseffect and we get things done
[02:31] <infoturtle> which one?
[02:31] <thethomaseffect> 3
[02:31] <thethomaseffect> the newest one
[02:31] <infoturtle> love 3 but it's all about 2004 for fun!!
[02:32] <thethomaseffect> I've been told this many times, shall have tio install it at some point!
[02:32] <VampiricPadraig> i like alien arena 2011 and UT
[02:32] <infoturtle> never played that
[02:32] <thethomaseffect> alien arena is the open source one based on the unreal engine no?
[02:32] <infoturtle> My games are Gears of war, UNreal and Dawn of war
[02:32] <infoturtle> oh I have tried that actually!
[02:33] <thethomaseffect> dawn of war is amazing, didn't play the second one yet though. Gears is another of my faves
[02:34] <thethomaseffect> i won't keep you though. enjoy your UT! nn
[02:34] <airurando> one last thing guys
[02:34] <infoturtle> Got the newest DOW the other day, DOW II reribution
[02:34] <infoturtle> *retribution
[02:34] <infoturtle> yes airurando?
[02:35] <airurando> don't forget to put this topic on the agenda for next months IRC meeting
[02:35] <infoturtle> will do
[02:35] <airurando> hope both of you can make it.
[02:35] <thethomaseffect> ah had forgotten about that, cheers
[02:35] <airurando> nn finally :)
[02:35] <thethomaseffect> looking forward to it :)
[02:35] <thethomaseffect> nn airurando
[02:35] <infoturtle> nn airurando
[02:36] <thethomaseffect> infoturtle:  is retribution good?
[02:36] <infoturtle> thethomaseffect you seen the new nvidia card?
[02:36] <infoturtle> duno, haven't played it yet cos I'm still playing the first part
[02:36] <thethomaseffect> I very briefly had a look at it on your blog, shall have a looksie now
[02:37] <infoturtle> it's insane power!! I want that card!!
[02:37] <thethomaseffect> I'm not a big PC gamer due to not having a nice chair for my computer :D
[02:37] <infoturtle> ha ha
[02:37] <infoturtle> I have no place for this pc in my house so it's beside me couch
[02:37] <thethomaseffect> I mostly play xbox, the best thing microsoft was created imo
[02:37] <infoturtle> anyway now i g2g
[02:38] <thethomaseffect> ok cool ttyl
[02:38] <infoturtle> take care till we meet again!
[02:38] <thethomaseffect> same to you :)
[03:51] <thethomaseffect> nn all
[11:48] <airurando> good morning ubuntu-ie
[11:56] <thethomaseffect> morning airurando, cheers for the tweet!
[11:59] <thethomaseffect> oh dear just saw someone on #Wordpess-Mobile asking about the idea I wanted to do for gsoc, better make myself known in the hackers mailing list right now :O
[12:04] <airurando> morning thethomaseffect.
[12:05] <airurando> def get your skates on re GSoC.  Reckon its a kill or be killed world.
[12:25] <thethomaseffect> airurando:  yup, ain't even looked at the ubuntu proposals yet. It's gonna be a busy day.
[12:36] <airurando> thethomaseffect: I don't believe Ubuntu were accepted into the GSoC programme this year.
[12:36] <airurando> afternoon ebel
[12:36] <ebel> afternoon!
[12:36] <airurando> how are you?
[12:37] <ebel> grand grand
[12:37] <ebel> yourself?
[12:38] <airurando> not too bad at all.
[12:38] <airurando> ebel: take a look at http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa1/gilgameish/site_prototype_1.png
[12:39] <airurando> thethomaseffect, aka johnnycbadde did the mockup
[12:40] <airurando> he's interested in helping out with getting the website updated.
[12:40] <airurando> had a good chat with infoturtle last night about it.
[12:41] <ebel> oh cool
[12:41] <airurando> ebel: you would be able to confirm a few things for them
[12:41] <ebel> oh?
[12:41] <airurando> 1) we can't update drupal with the current service right?
[12:42] <airurando> 2) not really much we can do until the site is migrated to blacknight, right?
[12:42] <ebel> we may be able to change the theme on the current serviuce
[12:43] <ebel> but yes AFAIK we can't change the drupal code / upgrade it / install a new version
[12:43] <czajkowski> nope ye cant not on the current hosting
[12:43] <ebel> we can do whatever on the blacknight hosting
[12:43] <airurando> blacknight is still open to us?
[12:43] <infoturtle> mornin`
[12:43] <czajkowski> airurando: aye
[12:43] <czajkowski> it's been a while but yeah tis
[12:43] <airurando> howdy infoturtle
[12:44] <ebel> anyone want the password for that? if they install some software we can look at pointing the ubuntu-ie.org to it
[12:44] <ebel> AFAIK we still have blacknight sponsored hosting.
[12:44] <infoturtle> I could use those passwords again
[12:44] <airurando> thethomaseffect: seemed real interested in helping infoturtle last night
[12:44] <infoturtle> seeing how I lost the one's I had before
[12:44] <airurando> didn't think it would be a huge deal either
[12:46] <ebel> infoturtle: sent
[12:47] <infoturtle> ebel, fantastic, worked and logged in
[12:47] <ebel> :)
[12:48] <ebel> great, so set up what you want, install drupal, install another thing if you want
[12:48] <infoturtle> is there anyway of backing up content on the current host for fear of lossing data??
[12:48] <infoturtle> on it now
[12:48] <airurando> this is exciting
[12:48] <airurando> :)
[12:49] <thethomaseffect> hey all, back. Got talking to a potential summer of code mentor so happy happy :D
[12:49] <ebel> infoturtle: backing up old data? dunno. Maaaaaybe drupal might have an export/import system?
[12:50] <ebel> I wonder if we could ask for a mysql dump from the canonical hosts, etc.
[12:50] <infoturtle> I just have fear of loosing old content or records from the site
[12:51] <thethomaseffect> I've caught up. easiest way to do things would we to host the new site at new.ubuntu-ie.org until a mySQL backup can be obtained
[12:51] <infoturtle> thethomaseffect true that!
[12:51] <czajkowski> infoturtle: ebel thethomaseffect if ye tell me waht ye want a back up of in detail in a mail
[12:52] <czajkowski> I'll request such from canonical
[12:52] <thethomaseffect> you can point subdomains to different servers right?
[12:53] <thethomaseffect> can phpmyadmin be accessed with the current hosting?
[12:54] <ebel> thethomaseffect: sure you can point subdomains anywhere
[12:54] <ebel> infoturtle: remember the current website is not hosting on blacknight. it's hosting elsewhere.
[12:55] <ebel> if you install anything on blacknight, it has no affect on our existing website.
[12:55] <thethomaseffect> ebel:  thought as much, just never had to do it so wasn't sure :)
[12:55] <infoturtle> ya I remember that, starting from ground up here
[12:55] <ebel> The 2 can operate completely independently and not interfere with each other.
[12:55] <czajkowski> infoturtle: ebel thethomaseffect if ye tell me waht ye want a back up of in detail in a mail
[12:55] <czajkowski> I'll request such from canonical
[12:56] <ebel> thethomaseffect: :) wanna get more confused? You can point a single domain to more than one server :P
[12:56] <ebel> czajkowski: cheers thanks. :)
[12:56] <infoturtle> ebel thats witch talk!!
[12:57] <ebel> infoturtle: hubble bubble toil and tcp, let me show you my dark arts of hacking the network
[12:57] <thethomaseffect> We'd want a backup of all tables and the drupal root directory at least
[12:58] <ebel> Do we want to keep a backup? :P
[12:58] <thethomaseffect> might be easier to install drupal 6 (or 5, whichever current site uses) on the new blacknight host and upgrade there once the content is verified working
[12:58] <thethomaseffect> not as clean as a fresh install but safer
[12:58] <infoturtle> ha, seems the old arts of witch craft have rally been brought to the future
[12:59] <infoturtle> think a backup would be handy, no harm to have just in case
[12:59] <ebel> we could just spider the website locally, keep that as a mirror.
[12:59] <ebel> that way we don't lose anything.
[12:59] <ebel> we have options
[12:59]  * ebel gotta flee
[13:00] <thethomaseffect> infoturtle:  ebel of coarse, sure isn't rickrolling the modern equivalent of placing a curse on someone :D
[13:00] <infoturtle> see ya later ebel
[13:01] <infoturtle> thethomaseffect I knew there was something not natural about that video
[13:01] <thethomaseffect> later ebel
[13:01] <infoturtle> ok so what version of drupal we going for here?
[13:01] <thethomaseffect> http://drupal.org/node/330719
[13:01] <infoturtle> 5/6/7??
[13:01] <thethomaseffect> good question, gimmie 2 secs
[13:02] <thethomaseffect> infoturtle:  5.22 is the version currently used
[13:02] <thethomaseffect> holy crap
[13:02] <thethomaseffect> no wonder it looks out of date
[13:02] <thethomaseffect> new admin page is *lovely*, a lot like wordpress's
[13:05] <thethomaseffect> my best possible way of doing this would be 1) migrate from 5.22. to 5.22 2)upgrade new server to drupal 6 and hen drupal 7 3) THEN migrate drupal 7 install to a fresh drupla 7 install. not nessessary but might lead to cleaner database tables?
[13:06] <thethomaseffect> infoturtle:  most info neede is here: http://www.ubuntu-ie.org/admin/logs/status
[13:07] <infoturtle> your plan has logic to it, supose we should get started then and try it
[13:10] <thethomaseffect> sounds good, just finishing off a email then I'm a free man
[13:11] <infoturtle> egg salad
[13:22] <infoturtle> thethomaseffect, I'll work on installing drupal so and let you know what happens when it's done (just said I'd post that out here so people know what were doing)
[13:22] <thethomaseffect> okie dokie
[13:27] <thethomaseffect> czajkowski:  I can't install new modules on drupal 5 without ftp access :(
[13:28] <czajkowski> oh which ?
[13:28] <czajkowski> oh the blacknight hosting ?
[13:29] <thethomaseffect> no on ubuntu-ie.org as it is
[13:30] <thethomaseffect> the only way to install modules on Drupal 5 is to place then in a directory
[13:31] <infoturtle> thethomaseffect useing blacknights app installer, I've installed drupal but it's v6.19-2 should I uninstall and manually install v5.22 or chance this one?
[13:31] <thethomaseffect> a RAW backup of the tables and content might work, I doubht it though. Is it possible to ask that canonical install and user this http://drupal.org/project/backup_migrate to do the backup?
[13:32] <czajkowski> thethomaseffect: we know that, thats why we're going down the #BK routes
[13:32] <thethomaseffect> infoturtle:  I'm fairly certain we'll have to manually install 5.22 since the file tree design changes with each version
[13:33] <infoturtle> bugger, ok no problem
[13:36] <thethomaseffect> Would not being able to migrate old content be a huge failure? Between myself and infoturtle we could copy and paste most of the content and create new accounts within about 2 hours, which could be a lot shorter than the time needed to get the old databases working with new host
[13:37] <thethomaseffect> and we'd be able get going right now, as opposed to waiting on canonical for a backup that might not work?
[13:38] <infoturtle> It would be a bit of work tho, to copy all the site, no? including the planet section and stuff
[13:40] <thethomaseffect> planet is just an RSS aggregator from what I understand, all we'd have to do is add all the feed URLs currently in it?
[13:41] <infoturtle> ah!!
[13:41] <infoturtle> I thought it was hosted internally
[13:41] <infoturtle> my fault
[13:42] <thethomaseffect> np
[13:42] <infoturtle> ya thats not so bad, if you want to do that?
[13:44] <thethomaseffect> ok so from what i see planet works liek this
[13:45] <thethomaseffect> 1) pulls from RSS feed 2) mirrors original post and it seems to not be a speial module, it's just the aggregator that comes included with drupal
[13:46] <thethomaseffect> and it doesn't aqllow comments, so no worry about losing them :)
[13:46] <thethomaseffect> infoturtle:  I think it'll be less stress in the long run and will defo lead to healthier database tables
[13:48] <infoturtle> sweet, I'm waiting for a file manager to activate and I'll have drupal moving
[13:49] <thethomaseffect> infoturtle:  You didn't actually create new.ubuntu-ie.org did you? getting a 404 here
[13:50] <infoturtle> I did, I'm getting it too, i duno if it's the index.php fiel (which I'm just abuot to check) or if it takes a while for the DNS to update?
[13:50] <thethomaseffect> do you have the absolute path to it?
[13:50] <infoturtle> ..........
[13:51] <thethomaseffect> prob something like canonical/blahblahblah/htdocs/ww/new.ubuntu.ie/
[13:51] <thethomaseffect> www*
[13:51] <infoturtle> then no, no I don't
[13:51] <infoturtle> how can I get it for you?
[13:52] <thethomaseffect> not sure, i've only used digiweb and it was available on the page where you register subdomains
[14:25] <thethomaseffect> just to let everyone know the progress, we're just transferring all the drupal 7 files to the new server for testing right now, something should be live in about 30 mins :)
[14:28] <airurando> great stuff lads
[14:36] <thethomaseffect> I love it when a plan comes together
[14:36] <thethomaseffect> http://d1090429.cp.blacknight.com/
[14:37]  * davem has a poke
[14:38] <infoturtle> fantastic thethomaseffect!
[15:42] <thethomaseffect> I'm off for a while for some grub, later folks
[19:01] <airurando> infoturtle ping
[19:01] <infoturtle> airurando pong
[19:02] <airurando> infoturtle do you subscribe to the loco-contacts mailing list?
[19:02] <infoturtle> I do
[19:03] <airurando> did you just get the mail regarding UGJ bootcamp tomorrow?
[19:04] <infoturtle> no but I'll look now
[19:05] <airurando> running in #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat
[19:05] <airurando> definitely one to check out
[19:06] <airurando> will certainly give you a flavour of what some folks get up to for UGJ.
[19:07] <infoturtle> ah I see, I read your message wrong, I'm not on that mailing list
[19:07] <infoturtle> I'm in the rooms now
[19:07] <airurando> probably great tips for preparing and hitting the ground running
[19:07] <airurando> I'll forward the mail to you.
[19:08] <infoturtle> excelent, need help like that!
[19:09] <airurando> unfortunately Ill be back at work tomorrow.  will try to read the IRC logs though.
[19:10] <airurando> short notice for this.
[19:11] <infoturtle> Ya, and I've a nice bit of work other than this, ment to be doing my test this week, promote the UGJ limerick, UH limerick work for the site.......
[19:11] <infoturtle> I'ma be one tired turtle
[19:40] <airurando> infoturtle that's a real busy schedule
[19:40] <airurando> what test
[19:41] <airurando> I suggest saving the IRC logs and reading the transcript at UH limerick.
[19:42] <infoturtle> didn't know the C# test was this week but thats life, the UH is a bit of time off if anything, just a bit of prepairing for the Limerick UGH and I'll just have to cut back adding content to the site this week, something has to give and the sites the least imporant
[19:44] <airurando> aye