[20:59] <jussi> o/
[21:00] <topyli> \m/
[21:00] <tsimpson> ok..
[21:00] <tsimpson> #startmeeting
[21:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 15:00. The chair is tsimpson.
[21:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[21:01] <tsimpson> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda
[21:01] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda
[21:01] <topyli> zarro boogs
[21:01] <tsimpson> [topic] Review last meetings action items
[21:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  Review last meetings action items
[21:02] <tsimpson> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCCouncil/TeamReports/11/March
[21:02] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCCouncil/TeamReports/11/March
[21:03] <tsimpson> jussi: did you get anywhere on "[ACTION] jussi to document thoughts on namespace limits"?
[21:03] <topyli> jussi: have you gotten around to documenting the namespace limits? i suppose you've been a bit distracted by travel
[21:03] <jussi> tsimpson: no, Ive been away and barely had time to think-
[21:04] <tsimpson> I'll put that on the review items for the next meeting then
[21:04] <jussi> thanks
[21:05] <tsimpson> so eir then
[21:05] <topyli> we have feedback
[21:05] <tsimpson> I don't think we got any real objection to its using NOTICEs, so that should be ok
[21:05] <topyli> yeah
[21:06] <tsimpson> I was thinking that, when we enable it, we could use #ubuntu-ops-team for its reporting
[21:06] <tsimpson> that way it can be done in public, but not have everyone read internal comments etc
[21:06] <jussi> that sounds sane to me
[21:06] <topyli> it does
[21:07] <tsimpson> it would probably be better than having everything in /msg, as ubottu does now
[21:07] <jussi> Im a bit out of things, what still needs to be done for integration with ubottu?
[21:08] <tsimpson> mostly some technical issues with getting ubottu to figure out the ban/action ID
[21:08] <topyli> tsimpson: it would be much better, we'd have some "papertrail" even if it's not public
[21:08] <tsimpson> eir just knows "the last ban from <nick>", but it's a little more complex for ubottu
[21:09] <tsimpson> I'm working on having ubottu query eir for the ban, then using that to get the ID
[21:09] <tsimpson> but it's a bit of a pain, especially as our DB is quite large
[21:10] <jussi> Ok. one thing that I do suggest (and Im quite willing to help) is that we make sure the usage is all documented before we implement.
[21:10] <tsimpson> but it's not impossible, just a bit technical to find the "best" way
[21:10] <tsimpson> basically what I'm trying to do is, when eir pokes you for a comment in -team, ubottu will pick up the comment that you give to eir
[21:11] <tsimpson> so you don't have to repeat yourself to ubottu and eir
[21:11] <topyli> sounds good if you can get it working
[21:12] <tsimpson> it may take some fiddling, eir uses ! for commands, where ubottu uses @
[21:12] <tsimpson> but we can mash something together, as !find and !info do now
[21:12] <jussi> ok.
[21:13] <tsimpson> so in general, we agree that, when ubottu is ready, eir should be added to #ubuntu?
[21:13] <jussi> yes
[21:13] <topyli> yes i support it
[21:13] <tsimpson> [agreed] eir to be added to #ubuntu once ubottu interoperates with it
[21:13] <MootBot> AGREED received:  eir to be added to #ubuntu once ubottu interoperates with it
[21:14] <topyli> let's review progress at meetings
[21:14] <jussi> ++
[21:14] <tsimpson> [action] progress review for ubottu-eir interoperability at the next meeting
[21:14] <MootBot> ACTION received:  progress review for ubottu-eir interoperability at the next meeting
[21:14] <tsimpson> :)
[21:14] <topyli> right :)
[21:15] <tsimpson> I think that's all the items from the last meeting
[21:16] <topyli> it also completes our agenda :)
[21:16] <tsimpson> is there anything else anyone wants to discuss?
[21:17] <topyli> oh one thing
[21:17] <topyli> we should ask for ideas for uds
[21:18] <tsimpson> ah, yes
[21:18] <topyli> jussi: you're going there right?
[21:18] <jussi> I mentioned this in -ops a few days back
[21:18] <jussi> topyli: no idea
[21:18] <topyli> oh
[21:18] <jussi> Lets see if they sponsor me
[21:18] <topyli> there is that
[21:19] <topyli> anyway, an email to the list might be a good idea
[21:19] <tsimpson> perhaps we should wait until we find out if one of us is going ;)
[21:19] <topyli> i suppose :)
[21:20] <topyli> however, the ideas will probably find a good place somewhere in the community stream even if we didn't have our own sessions
[21:20] <tsimpson> yeah
[21:20] <jussi> Have either of you applied?
[21:20] <tsimpson> wiki page + email would be my suggestion
[21:20] <tsimpson> well I definitely can't go this year
[21:21] <topyli> i haven't applied
[21:21] <tsimpson> I'm not sure if I'll even be around on irc during UDS
[21:21] <tsimpson> hopefully, but not sure
[21:21] <jussi> topyli: you have 2 days :)
[21:21] <topyli> oh that's plenty! :)
[21:22] <jussi> but yes, I agree with tsimpson - wiki + email should do it
[21:22] <jussi> topyli: http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/02/23/ubuntu-developer-summit-sponsorship-now-open/
[21:22] <tsimpson> who wants to set that up?
[21:23]  * tsimpson gets @random ready
[21:23] <jussi> @random elky nhandler tsimpson topyli jussi
[21:23] <tsimpson> bad bot!
[21:23] <topyli> ha
[21:23] <tsimpson> I guess I'll do that then...
[21:23]  * tsimpson makes a note to blacklist "tsimpson" from @random ;)
[21:24] <jussi> I can help out. (you can be responsible)
[21:24] <topyli> yeah you can write a draft and we'll chip in
[21:24] <tsimpson> there was also #ubuntu-helpteam before I forget again
[21:24] <tsimpson> it's unused
[21:25] <tsimpson> and should be closed/forwarded somewhere useful
[21:25] <jussi> drop it.
[21:25] <tsimpson> @random drop close forward
[21:25] <topyli> haha
[21:25] <tsimpson> the bot agrees, it shall be done
[21:26] <tsimpson> anyone want to do that one?
[21:26] <jussi> I gues just idle there a few weeks as to make sure someone doesnt pick it up
[21:26] <jussi> I can
[21:26] <tsimpson> I've been idling there for a couple of months...
[21:26] <tsimpson> I just keep forgetting to bring it up
[21:27] <jussi> anyway, Im on it
[21:27] <topyli> i don't really know how to drop channels :)
[21:27] <topyli> sounds like a technical thing!
[21:27] <jussi> topyli: /msg chanserv drop #channel
[21:27] <jussi> :P
[21:27] <topyli> oh
[21:28] <tsimpson> we'd want to get staff to do it for us though, we aren't +F
[21:28] <tsimpson> and to give you an idea of how unused it is, it has a link for 8.10 in the topic..
[21:28] <topyli> action nhandler then?
[21:28] <tsimpson> [action] jussi to get staff to drop #ubuntu-helpteam
[21:28] <MootBot> ACTION received:  jussi to get staff to drop #ubuntu-helpteam
[21:28] <jussi> action completed :)
[21:29] <topyli> heh
[21:29] <tsimpson> anything else now that's done?
[21:29] <jussi> [action] Jussi to go to bed.
[21:29] <jussi> :P
[21:30] <topyli> is there something we should do publicly about the rubbish channels?
[21:30] <tsimpson> we were going to mention dropping other channel right?
[21:30] <topyli> yeah
[21:31] <jussi> ahh, yes.
[21:31] <jussi> We should probably mail the list about that
[21:31] <tsimpson> all the obviously off-topic and unused ones should probably just be dropped
[21:32] <tsimpson> we can compile a list of the others and attempt do do something sensible with them
[21:32] <topyli> are there a lot of channels we're uncertain about?
[21:32] <jussi> uncertain?
[21:32] <topyli> whether they're useful or not
[21:33] <tsimpson> well the ones with freenode-staff as founder need sorting
[21:33] <tsimpson> and there are a *lot* of channels to look through
[21:34] <jussi> I would think that if the channel is active and has FS as founder, then need to sort. otherwise, just get them dropped.
[21:34] <tsimpson> we need to go through the list and weed them out, that's going to take some time though
[21:35] <tsimpson> and it's not something I'd like to action to one person ;)
[21:35] <topyli> i wonder if we can get help from ops
[21:35] <topyli> nobody probably *wants* to :)
[21:36] <tsimpson> we can just work our way through them, marking the ones that need dropping, and batch the drops
[21:36] <tsimpson> then go into details of in-use channels later
[21:37] <topyli> i suppose it'll be done sooner or later if we get to it
[21:37] <jussi> I think thats the best way
[21:37] <jussi> We have the document with the list already, so just to start marking them
[21:37] <topyli> yeah
[21:38] <topyli> my new hobby!
[21:38] <jussi> lol
[21:38] <tsimpson> [action] IRCC to drop unused and off-topic channels, and contact other channels with freenode-staff as founder
[21:38] <MootBot> ACTION received:  IRCC to drop unused and off-topic channels, and contact other channels with freenode-staff as founder
[21:38] <jussi> excellent :)
[21:39] <tsimpson> I think that really is all this time
[21:40] <topyli> alright. thanks guys
[21:40] <tsimpson> [action] tsimpson to do post-meeting tasks
[21:40] <MootBot> ACTION received:  tsimpson to do post-meeting tasks
[21:41] <tsimpson> #endmeeting
[21:41] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 15:41.
[21:42] <jussi> thanks lads!
[22:32] <Thermi> gn8