[00:00] <Teligard> btw, this appeaars to be a long term issue (since mythbuntu 8.10)
[02:03] <mycosys> kev's next silly question - is it wiser to update to 0.23 or 0.24, and then update to lucid, or just do both at once and jump to 0.24 on lucid
[02:05] <Teligard> (I have a question regarding 0.24; is it still suffereing from the live tv playback issues, or have those been patched/fixed?)
[02:05] <mycosys> lil more specific is prolly good?
[02:06] <mycosys> teligard - DONT give a password for mysql, at all, ever
[02:07] <mycosys> will make your life VERY hard
[02:07] <mycosys> just let the installer allocate them
[02:07] <Teligard> I didn't
[02:07] <Teligard> blank password
[02:08] <Teligard> The installer appears to be having issues with setting up mysql
[02:08] <mycosys> ok - it will now be your user password for the root password, the mythtv password can be found in /etc/mythtv/mysql iirc
[02:09] <Teligard> It doesn't add the database or user, causing a fair amount of additional work (that I'm not sure I'm even doing right, as I can't seem to get the backend to connect to the database (localhost, 127.0.0.1, or 192.168.1.218))
[02:09] <Zinn> [127.0.0.1] arctangent.net
[02:09] <Teligard> driving me nutz, in no small fashion
[02:10] <Teligard> Let me go look at that file
[02:10] <mycosys> i have installed many times and never had that happen
[02:12] <Teligard> Is the password supposed to be encrypted, or?
[02:12] <mycosys> no
[02:12] <mycosys> plaintext
[02:13] <mycosys> is generally randomly generated
[02:13] <Teligard> ok
[02:14] <Teligard> I jus verified it never created the database
[02:15] <Teligard> and never created the user
[02:15] <Teligard> it added the user debian-sys-maint
[02:16] <mycosys> i have installed with 8.04, 8.10 and 9.04 and never had that happen
[02:16] <Teligard> and has the two std information_schema and mysql databases
[02:16] <Teligard> What do you select when starting the install, or do you go with a live distro
[02:17] <mycosys> god, i just select install normally
[02:17] <mycosys> couple of times have needed the like of noapic on some systems
[02:17] <mycosys> not sure what u mean other than that
[02:18] <Teligard> I've been usign a mini ubuntu 10.10, and selecting mythtv-backend and sshserver from the package options
[02:18] <mycosys> oh
[02:18] <Teligard> I'll jsut try it with a normal prefab
[02:19] <Teligard> Trying to keep the packages to a minimum
[02:19] <mycosys> yeah - the problem is you arent selecting the components you need
[02:19] <mycosys> mythtv-master-backend
[02:19] <Teligard> I do selkect that
[02:20] <mycosys> mythbuntu may be wanted
[02:20] <Teligard> I generally select sshserver, LAMP, mythtv-backend, mythtv-backend-master
[02:20] <mycosys> try installing mythbuntu  and mythbuntu control center
[02:20] <Teligard> Wasn't planning to use the frontend, but...
[02:20] <Teligard> k
[02:20] <mycosys> then dont add it, is an option in MCC
[02:21] <mycosys> i would say it will be easier to use the mythbuntu prefab myself
[02:21] <Teligard> do you know if the issue with 0.24 having choppy live tv playback hs been resolved?
[02:21] <Teligard> I'm d/ling it now
[02:21] <mycosys> nope
[02:21] <mycosys> didnt know it had one
[02:22] <mycosys> tho i am still on 0.22
[02:26] <Teligard> Just for reference, this is to which I was referring: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2010-December/303987.html
[02:26] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] [mythtv-users] 0.24-fixes, upgraded, VDPAU - LiveTV playback is choppy, watching as recording is ok
[02:26] <Teligard> Zinn: we were on the same track
[02:26] <Zinn> Hi Teligard, something I can help you with today?  I am a bot, use !help to see what I can do.
[02:26] <Teligard> oops
[02:26] <Teligard> Now I look like an idiot
[02:27] <mycosys> lol
[02:27] <mycosys> reckon that is just an issue with using ion
[02:27] <Teligard> Well, I was going to say that I already looked like an idiot, but hey...
[02:28] <mycosys> ion does not have the kick to do much without vdpau
[02:28] <mycosys> doesnt have the kick to do much in the way of dei-int
[02:28] <mycosys> and doesnt have the kick to decode hd without vdpau
[02:28] <mycosys> so if vdpau fails for whatver reason ur rooted
[02:29] <Teligard> ah, my system doesn't have much kick in general, but I'm trying to get something up, and windows "alternatives" or more bloat than function, imho
[02:30] <mycosys> yep - it was his he was using advanced 2x deintelacing - too much for his machine to handl;e
[02:30] <mycosys> what system do you have?
[02:30] <Teligard> I need to find a cheap, functional PCI video card that can handle output better than my integrated video
[02:30] <Teligard> Dell GX260 (something like that). P4 2.4
[02:30] <mycosys> 8400GS PCI may do it, but may not have the BW for HD without vdpau
[02:30] <Teligard> with integrated video
[02:30] <mycosys> youch
[02:31] <Teligard> yea
[02:31] <mycosys> do you plan on 1080i?
[02:31] <Teligard> That's an understatement
[02:31] <mycosys> cos i prolly wouldnt
[02:31] <Teligard> It struggles with 1080i/720p
[02:31] <Teligard> but can handle std DVD's fine
[02:31] <mycosys> that is why i asked if you plan on it
[02:31] <Teligard> I've been using it with XBMC
[02:32] <mycosys> dyd is 480 or 576
[02:32] <mycosys> *dvd
[02:32] <Teligard> Eventually, yes, but not in the budget right now.
[02:32] <mycosys> huh???
[02:32] <Teligard> the 1080i
[02:32] <mycosys> dvd is 480i of 576i
[02:32] <mycosys> *or
[02:32] <mycosys> oh, ok
[02:33] <Teligard> I was at bestbuy today, and saw something that would work fairly well @ sub 500.00, but don't have cash for it right now
[02:34] <mycosys> apparently while the 8400gs PCI will work for vdpau, PCI doesnt have the bandwidth for sofftware rendering
[02:34] <Teligard> makes sense
[02:34] <Teligard> it's only 66mhz bus, if I remember correctly
[02:34] <mycosys> i was usin a sempron 3400+ single core til recently with gt210
[02:35] <mycosys> now using an athlon 64 x2
[02:35] <Teligard> ah, definately a step up
[02:35] <mycosys> can do a lot cheaper than $500 if you want lol
[02:35] <Teligard> I was looking at the form-factor too
[02:35] <mycosys> not a huge step - a second core
[02:35] <Teligard> and it had hdmi out
[02:36] <mycosys> so does a $25 gt210
[02:36] <Teligard> and that's pci?  I though most gt's and above were atleast agp
[02:36] <mycosys> i admit mine is a full tower - hides nicely behind 56"
[02:37] <mycosys> no, that is PCIe
[02:37] <Teligard> haha, I'm sure
[02:37] <mycosys> just saying that the cheapest of modern desktop machines are fine
[02:37] <Teligard> I need to buy atleast 4
[02:38] <Teligard> and want as small as possible, because I am trying to hide them behind smaller tv's
[02:38] <Teligard> But you certainly make a valid point
[02:38] <mycosys> so hunt down small matx cases
[02:38] <mycosys> use low pro gt210s
[02:40] <mycosys> just how small do they need to be?
[02:40] <Teligard> as small as possible
[02:41] <Teligard> Waht I saw today was a low profile pc
[02:41] <mycosys> small pcs can be a PITA
[02:42] <Teligard> Thinking of having 1 system as a media director, then just head units in teh rooms
[02:42] <Teligard> true, especially working in them, and finding parts
[02:42] <mycosys> nah - keeping em cool ;)
[02:43] <Teligard> ok, that makes sense; denser case
[02:43] <mycosys> antec, silverstone and lian li have great sff cases that use mostly standard parts
[02:44] <mycosys> itx is hard but can be done, matx should be pretty easy but is bigger
[02:44] <Teligard> k
[02:45] <mycosys> cheap will likely be matx
[02:46] <mycosys> a cheap mobo, a low end athlon2, gt210, cheapish case (dont skimp on psu) and can even boot of a CF card if ur keen
[02:46] <mycosys> for the frontends
[02:47] <Teligard> I'm looking now on pricewatch
[02:47] <mycosys> no idea wat that is
[02:47] <mycosys> would look on newegg myself
[02:47] <mycosys> u guys r lucky to hav it
[02:49] <Teligard> It's a single point of reference, and searches multiple vendor sites
[02:49] <Teligard> newegg, amazon, etc
[02:49] <Teligard> check it out if you get the chance
[02:49] <Teligard> can get some good deals
[03:05] <mycosys> not from australia you cant teligard
[03:06] <Teligard> oh
[03:06] <Teligard> I'm in the US
[03:06] <Teligard> sorry
[03:06] <mycosys> lol np
[03:06] <mycosys> we have staticice
[03:06] <Teligard> never heard of it
[03:07] <mycosys> does the same thing for australian sites
[03:26] <Teligard> So, do you know if mythtv supports the TV Wonder 650 PCI
[03:26] <Teligard> looking for the hardware compat list
[03:38] <mycosys> teligard - look at linuxtv
[03:39] <puff> Are there any channels for general discussion of media box hardware?  I want to spec out and build a media box (or two...).
[03:39] <mycosys> anything linuxtv supports, myth supports
[03:39] <mycosys> linuxtv.org
[03:40] <mycosys> puff - i know we do that sort o thing on efnet #desktops - not sure of others
[03:40] <mycosys> we enjoy speccing out all sorts o systems
[03:41] <mycosys> biggest decisions would be what budget, and how small
[03:42] <mycosys> be warned tho - can get a lil blue in there when the guys are vored lol
[03:42] <mycosys> *bored
[03:43] <puff> Heh.
[03:44] <puff> Well, okay... I'm ready to bite the bullet and spend a little money.  Form factor is a major factor, I want something that'll be quiet and lowish heat issues, since the TV room doubles as a guest bedroom often.
[03:44] <mycosys> just best to give a warning given this is an ubuntu channel and that sort of thing is very much not allowed lol
[03:44] <mycosys> big is easier to keep quiet generally
[03:44] <puff> I'm on comcast, I want HD, I have a comcast HD/DVR now and it really sucks (you wanna see blue, ask me about comcast...).  I'm thinking of getting an extra converter box or two, so I can record/watch on multiple channels.
[03:44] <mycosys> actuall - the best place for you may be silentpcreview.com
[03:45] <puff> Cool.
[03:45] <puff> Re: form factor, basically I'm looking for something that'll make a good appliance...
[03:45] <mycosys> but i can give a few tips - and one o the guys on #desktops is a major sff nut
[03:45] <puff> SFF?
[03:45] <mycosys> small form factor
[03:45] <puff> On eff #desktops?
[03:46] <puff> Ah, cool.
[03:46] <mycosys> had the smallest 1366 SLI system i have ever heard of
[03:46] <puff> "small" isn't critical, just that I feel/suspect a normal PC case will be obnoxious...
[03:47] <mycosys> the antec fusion/nsk2480 cases are nice, and not hard to keep quiet, and look like they belong in a media setup
[03:47] <mycosys> fusion max will take atx, fusion and nsk2480 are matx
[03:48] <mycosys> silverstone and lian li do some nice cases for the job too, but pricier
[03:48] <mycosys> nsk2480 is a mega bargain for what it is
[03:52] <mycosys> the athlon2 chips are great for the price, but will likely want an aftermarket heatsink for quiet
[03:54] <puff> What about video hardware?
[03:54] <puff> Cable cards, etc?
[03:54] <puff> Somebody recommended the HD Home Run.  Thoughts?
[03:54] <mycosys> i am an aussie lol - we use DVB
[03:55] <puff> Wuzzat?
[03:55] <mycosys> mythtv-users would have some recommendations i am sure
[03:56] <puff> Yeah.
[03:56] <mycosys> i am from australia - we use DVB-T rather than ATSC - our capture hardware is completely different
[03:56] <puff> Ah.
[03:57] <mycosys> wagnerrp on mythtv-users seems to really know his atsc gear
[03:59] <puff> Is that a mailing list?
[03:59] <mycosys> a channel
[03:59] <mycosys> on freenode
[03:59] <puff> Ah, i'll try there.
[05:36] <Guest17579> anyone there, I have found a possible bug/situation what might cause problems when upgrading to 0.24
[05:38] <Guest17579> I just want to make sure that it is documented before 10.10.
[05:41] <Guest17579> The way the external channel change run changed bewteen 0.23 and 0.24. If you have two recordings at the same time, in 0.23 it would tune one, then tune the other. In 0.24 it tries to tune both at the same time. This is a problem if you are running one usb blaster with two channels
[05:41] <Guest17579> We need to add a lock to the script or something
[09:28] <mycosys> guest1759 - would suggest reporting this on mythtv sire, or #mythtv-users
[09:28] <mycosys> is not an ubuntu bug
[10:30] <mycosys> when did upgrading get so easy? going between point releases of redhat used to be the stuff of nightmares
[16:41] <NewBuntu81> Hi All.  Has anyone with an HVR-2250 got the IR blaster to work with Mythbuntu 10.10?
[17:40] <noaXess_netubu> hey all
[17:40] <noaXess_netubu> since last night, i have a time offset of 1 hour in tv listing.. backend/frontend time are ok.. mythfilldatabase re-run done.
[19:08] <tgm4883> noaXess_netubu, is your system time and timezone correct?
[19:12] <noaXess_netubu> tgm4883: jep
[19:14] <noaXess_netubu> are you subscribe to the xmltv-users list? see my post: http://bit.ly/giAYL4
[19:14] <Zinn> [bit.ly] SourceForge.net: XMLTV: xmltv-users
[20:25] <MeraX> hey, I'm looking for something do mixup a stereo sound signal from one application to 5.1 in order to to set the volume of this special application different for each of the 5.1 speakers with pavucontrol (ore some thing like this) (in order to send one stereo signal to one pair of speaker and an other stereo signal to a second pair)
[21:25] <PerfM> yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh budddddy