| === phisko_ is now known as kyofel_ | ||
| === kyofel_ is now known as kyofel | ||
| ScottK | Riddell: Update on the GL/GLES stuff for armel: In addition to your kdeartwork upload, I fixed kipi-plugins and kdegames. I have a test build of koffice going. kdeedu and kdeplasma-addons are blocked on avogadro getting fixed. slangasek assigned someone to work on avogadro yesterday. | 05:00 |
|---|---|---|
| ScottK | FSVO yesterday. | 05:00 |
| ScottK | Depending on TZ it might be day before yesterday. | 05:01 |
| bambee | morning | 09:03 |
| droidslayer | yofel: around? | 09:13 |
| droidslayer | yofel: any ideas how I can access your server if I am behind a proxy server which only a | 09:15 |
| droidslayer | has port 8080 open | 09:15 |
| apachelogger | look | 09:29 |
| apachelogger | it is a droid | 09:29 |
| apachelogger | omg | 09:29 |
| droidslayer | ... | 09:31 |
| droidslayer | Arf | 09:31 |
| droidslayer | apachelogger: I hate this class | 09:31 |
| apachelogger | is it about android? | 09:31 |
| droidslayer | No ubuntu for miles | 09:31 |
| droidslayer | Wat2do | 09:31 |
| droidslayer | apachelogger: networking | 09:31 |
| apachelogger | what is a miles? | 09:32 |
| droidslayer | Socket programming | 09:32 |
| apachelogger | people still do that? | 09:32 |
| droidslayer | apachelogger: s/miles/kilo meters | 09:32 |
| tazz | heh | 09:32 |
| tazz | droidslayer, so ask the teacher about the port 8080 question. | 09:33 |
| droidslayer | I just have firessh | 09:33 |
| apachelogger | metrics are supreme | 09:33 |
| tazz | it is a networking class after all. | 09:33 |
| droidslayer | Lol | 09:33 |
| * apachelogger wonders what youbuntoo has to do with distances though | 09:33 | |
| droidslayer | tazz: as if she would no | 09:34 |
| droidslayer | Know even | 09:34 |
| tazz | droidslayer, she should :-/ | 09:34 |
| apachelogger | tazz: don't be silly, only people who don't have read the associated literature ask questions | 09:34 |
| droidslayer | I see ubuntu 9.19 | 09:34 |
| droidslayer | Er | 09:34 |
| droidslayer | 9.10 | 09:34 |
| * apachelogger never asks questions and never reads | 09:34 | |
| apachelogger | <-- dumb as a spaceship | 09:35 |
| apachelogger | nah, hold on | 09:35 |
| apachelogger | <-- dumb as a cpu | 09:35 |
| apachelogger | actually worse as I do not do calculations as fast | 09:35 |
| apachelogger | http://en.blog.wordpress.com/2011/03/23/ipad-onswipe-theme/ | 09:35 |
| apachelogger | time to get an ipad | 09:35 |
| apachelogger | droidslayer: now what I do not compute, why would the proxy be a problem? | 09:36 |
| tazz | apachelogger, you mean garbage in = garbage out? That was one of the first "computer Laws" taught at my school :p | 09:36 |
| apachelogger | I mean, the proxy can have any port, the dest port of packages stays the same | 09:36 |
| apachelogger | unless the proxy is not just a proxy ^^ | 09:36 |
| apachelogger | tazz: as someone who thinks of rectangles as circles I do oppose the idea of laws in something as fuzzy as computer science :P | 09:37 |
| tazz | :D | 09:38 |
| droidslayer | apachelogger: I think ssh is blocked | 09:38 |
| droidslayer | Only http traffic | 09:38 |
| droidslayer | Can't get tethering to work on windows | 09:39 |
| tazz | droidslayer, cant you use gprs ? ssh is very bandwidth light, protocol. | 09:40 |
| droidslayer | tazz: I have 3g | 09:40 |
| droidslayer | Tg | 09:40 |
| droidslayer | The problem is tethering | 09:40 |
| apachelogger | pay me 5k and I shall make you an app | 09:41 |
| apachelogger | actually you can get it for 2.5k if you let me put ads in it | 09:41 |
| tazz | apachelogger, what currency ? ;) | 09:41 |
| jussi | haha | 09:41 |
| droidslayer | Paise | 09:41 |
| droidslayer | :P | 09:41 |
| apachelogger | does it matter, they are all worthless by now | 09:41 |
| apachelogger | spacebucks - the next big thing | 09:41 |
| tazz | droidslayer, just pay apachelogger some INR | 09:42 |
| jussi | apachelogger: btw, was meaning to ask you, do you want a diaspora invite? I have one left... | 09:42 |
| apachelogger | I never had no INR | 09:42 |
| apachelogger | jussi: uh, yes, pretty please :) | 09:42 |
| tazz | i have 10 left. :p | 09:42 |
| jussi | pm email address | 09:42 |
| tazz | jussi invited droidslayer who invited me. | 09:42 |
| tazz | :p | 09:42 |
| apachelogger | jussi: sitter.harald@gmail.com | 09:43 |
| apachelogger | like google didnt already know | 09:43 |
| jussi | sent | 09:43 |
| apachelogger | arrived | 09:43 |
| apachelogger | jussi: thanks | 09:43 |
| * apachelogger uberhugs jussi | 09:43 | |
| jussi | anyone know who guarav chaturvedi is? | 09:44 |
| tazz | jussi o.O me | 09:44 |
| jussi | tazz: ahh! so its you who friended me :) | 09:44 |
| * jussi adds to ubuntu aspect | 09:45 | |
| tazz | jussi afaik there is no concept of friends on diaspora. | 09:45 |
| jussi | haha | 09:45 |
| * apachelogger once had a friend, sold him for a bottle of vodka and 3 cigars | 09:45 | |
| jussi | apachelogger: awww | 09:47 |
| jussi | btw, picture uploading seems borked. anyone else got that currently? | 09:47 |
| jussi | apachelogger: also, diaspora is something you might like to contribute to - its in ruby :P :P | 09:48 |
| apachelogger | like I don't have enough stuff to contribute to :P | 09:48 |
| jussi | hehe | 09:48 |
| jussi | apachelogger: but your friend sold you, so you now have more time, right? | 09:48 |
| jussi | :P | 09:49 |
| jussi | err you sold your friend, but yeauh | 09:49 |
| apachelogger | oh dear lawd | 09:49 |
| apachelogger | dispora doesn't have pirate english | 09:49 |
| apachelogger | how am I supposed to understand this rubbish | 09:50 |
| apachelogger | oh noes | 09:50 |
| jussi | haha | 09:52 |
| jussi | apachelogger: patches welcome :P | 09:52 |
| apachelogger | yeah | 09:56 |
| apachelogger | alpha it is | 09:56 |
| apachelogger | maybe on of these days I will make a patchy | 09:56 |
| apachelogger | or maybe not | 09:56 |
| * apachelogger tries to figure out a release schedule for phonon backends | 09:56 | |
| apachelogger | ah, javascript | 10:02 |
| apachelogger | <3 | 10:02 |
| apachelogger | jussi: for one reason or another no json response arrives from uploading a photo | 10:02 |
| jussi | apachelogger: yeah, I just mentioned it in #diaspora-dev, hope someone fixes it | 10:03 |
| jussi | (soon) | 10:03 |
| apachelogger | *nod* | 10:04 |
| * apachelogger had too much coffee again | 10:04 | |
| jussi | apachelogger: lol | 10:06 |
| bambee | Riddell: about obex-data-server I've just to make a new snapshot from upstream ? => 0.4.6~svn20110210-0ubuntu1 | 10:26 |
| Riddell | bambee: yes I believe so | 10:29 |
| === hunger_ is now known as hunger | ||
| allee | netw | 11:02 |
| Riddell | ScottK: I have a test build of kdeedu going which removes opengl and avogadro | 11:40 |
| Riddell | ScottK: I hae me doots about avogadro being able to work with openGLES, there's no mention of it in the source | 11:41 |
| Riddell | ScottK: I also have a build of koffice half done which got killed by broken buildds, retrying it now | 11:42 |
| droidslayer | So ... Flipping ... Hot | 11:53 |
| droidslayer | Riddell: did you get to ride in a auto | 11:54 |
| droidslayer | ? | 11:54 |
| Riddell | no, I never did :( | 11:56 |
| ScottK | Riddell: My koffice build failed with http://paste.kde.org/8315/ - Suggestions welcome. | 11:57 |
| ScottK | The failed build is in /var/cache/pbuilder/build//32544 on my arm box if looking at the remains helps. | 11:58 |
| * tazz waves at Mamarok | 11:59 | |
| tazz | Riddell, you want a diaspora invite ? | 12:00 |
| Mamarok | tazz: hey :) | 12:00 |
| * Mamarok also has invites for Diaspora | 12:00 | |
| nigelb | shadeslayer: darn, I didn't give Riddell and nerve wrecking bike journey through bangalore traffic | 12:04 |
| yofel | droidslayer: no idea, but I can open 8080 if you need it | 12:04 |
| Riddell | ScottK: this fixes it http://paste.kde.org/8317/ | 12:15 |
| Riddell | tazz: hmm, this sounds like yet another social network thing | 12:15 |
| tazz | Riddell, it is, it is... | 12:16 |
| Riddell | I'll pass for now, I have an invite tollerance of a dozen on new social networks | 12:23 |
| Riddell | ScottK: kdeedu if failing due to separate multiarch breakage anyway :( | 12:24 |
| droidslayer | yofel: nah ... Setup a proper server in the lab | 13:30 |
| yofel | k | 13:33 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Thanks. Trying. | 13:47 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Avogadro accepted. | 13:50 |
| Riddell | ScottK: kdebase-workspace on its way too for mobile love | 13:51 |
| ScottK | Cool. | 13:52 |
| ScottK | Riddell: That's in too. | 14:17 |
| c2tarun | sorry I got disconnected, :( did anyone reply to my query? | 14:29 |
| Riddell | what was your query? | 14:30 |
| c2tarun | how do kde-developers work? I mean what work do they do? | 14:30 |
| c2tarun | Riddell: ^ | 14:30 |
| Riddell | what work do they do within KDE or for their jobs? it rather depends on the individual in either case | 14:31 |
| c2tarun | Riddell: within KDE | 14:32 |
| c2tarun | Riddell: I mean what kind of development work is going on in KDE and how can anyone participate in it? | 14:34 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: any particular features that you would like to see in KDE Telepathy? | 14:38 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: it should be able to connect to facebook and google talk without having to case what XMPP is | 14:39 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: something more substantial ... :D | 14:39 |
| Riddell | c2tarun: typically each part of KDE has a mailing list, irc channel, bug tracker on bugs.kde.org etc | 14:40 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: it should use the message indicator | 14:40 |
| c2tarun | Riddell: so are there any online project work going on for kde or its just bug fixing? | 14:40 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: would that qualify for 3 months of work? | 14:41 |
| Riddell | unlikely | 14:41 |
| shadeslayer | hmmm ... what else | 14:41 |
| Riddell | gobby type collaboration between all applications via telepathy | 14:42 |
| c2tarun | Riddell: to work on any lets say this https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=269353 how should I start? | 14:51 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 269353 in general "Crash when dropping files on the breadcrumb bar" [Crash,New] | 14:51 |
| bambee | c2tarun: 1) install debugging symbols 2) try to reproduce the crash (the same crash not another) 3) download the code (apt-get source) 4) try to understand the issue | 15:02 |
| === larsivi_ is now known as larsivi | ||
| === cmagina-afk is now known as cmagina | ||
| === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | Lots to do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | beta 1 bugs http://goo.gl/23eui | Meeting Wednesday 30th 17:00UTC | ||
| dantti | does someone knows what happened to systray apps that don't get the theme? | 16:22 |
| Riddell | dantti: if they don't get the plasma theme artwork they fall back to the normal icon | 16:24 |
| dantti | Riddell: hey :) no, I'm speaking of oxygen theme, when you open it it' gets no theme | 16:31 |
| dantti | more specifficaly kpk (I couldn't find another app with that problem) | 16:32 |
| seiflotfy | we will rock KDE | 16:32 |
| seiflotfy | hehehe | 16:32 |
| dantti | Riddell: btw as soon as I finish some personal stuff I'll try to release Apper (too bad that it's too late for 11.04) | 16:33 |
| bambee | Riddell: libqzeitgeist is tagged , jpwhiting is actually creating a tarball and the library has a fixed soname now | 16:33 |
| dantti | Riddell: taking care of two kids is much more work than I imagined :P | 16:34 |
| Daskreech | Riddell: should that install KDE page stay on the wiki? | 16:40 |
| Quintasan | qzeitgeist? | 16:43 |
| Quintasan | Why would I want GNOME in my KDE | 16:43 |
| Daskreech | zeitgeist isn't technically GNOMe | 16:45 |
| Daskreech | Like akonadi isn'ttechnically KDE | 16:45 |
| Quintasan | Oh, I thought Zeitgeist is some GNOME-ish black magic | 16:45 |
| Quintasan | Daskreech: and it (Zeitgeist) won't pull half of GNOME as dependencies? | 16:46 |
| Daskreech | Other way around | 16:46 |
| Daskreech | Half of GNOME pulls Zeitgeist | 16:46 |
| Quintasan | okay | 16:51 |
| Quintasan | I was afraid I would have to install half of GNOME to have Zeitgeist | 16:51 |
| apachelogger | Daskreech: akonadi isn't KDE | 16:51 |
| apachelogger | in fact it was supposed to be fdo | 16:51 |
| Daskreech | apachelogger: I just said that | 16:51 |
| apachelogger | but they rejected it | 16:51 |
| apachelogger | them bstrds | 16:52 |
| Daskreech | Cause it didn't have a GNOME implementation as I recall | 16:52 |
| apachelogger | nah, cause it all goes to crapz | 16:52 |
| seiflotfy | Quintasan, zeitgeist has NO GNOME dependency | 16:53 |
| Riddell | Daskreech: yes I think so but it should be updated | 16:53 |
| ct529 | hi everybody, I have a serious problem here .... when you maximise / minimise konsole the entire desktop freezes .... 10.10 64 bit with kde 4.6.1 same problem with kde 4.6.0 | 16:53 |
| Daskreech | Riddell: is there an equivalent for less than full KDE since KDE4 ? | 16:54 |
| ct529 | I have tried to debug, but unsuccessfull .... | 16:54 |
| ct529 | anyone heard of it? what should I do? | 16:54 |
| Riddell | dantti: I seem to remember from looking at the code that it's non-trivial to apply the oxygen systray theme to icons, by default it'll just open the normal icon you specify | 16:54 |
| Riddell | by non trivial I mean it has to use locate() and whatnot | 16:54 |
| Riddell | Daskreech: kde-plasma-desktop | 16:55 |
| Riddell | or -netbook | 16:55 |
| Riddell | ct529: I've not heard of that issue | 16:55 |
| ct529 | Riddell: I have done a bit of googling and the issue seems to be discussed | 16:56 |
| ct529 | Riddell: the machine is quite performant, cannto be due to the hw | 16:56 |
| ct529 | Riddell: also gnome or lxde or openbox do not have the same problem | 16:57 |
| jussi | ct529: is it only console | 16:59 |
| jussi | ? | 16:59 |
| ct529 | jussi: yes | 17:01 |
| dantti | Riddell: no, I expressed myself badly, what I'm trying to say is this -> http://wstaw.org/m/2011/03/28/plasma-desktopOD1804.jpg | 17:01 |
| Riddell | dantti: what's the issue there? | 17:01 |
| dantti | Riddell: the widget theme? | 17:03 |
| Daskreech | Riddell: KDE has been replaced with kde-full ? | 17:03 |
| Riddell | Daskreech: look in meta-kde | 17:04 |
| Riddell | dantti: oh aye, that's ugly | 17:04 |
| Daskreech | What's meta-kde ? | 17:05 |
| dantti | Riddell: yes it is, it happened after 4.6 | 17:05 |
| Daskreech | apachelogger: I guess you can answer that :) | 17:05 |
| Riddell | Daskreech: the source package from debian for various meta packages for kde | 17:05 |
| Daskreech | ah | 17:05 |
| Daskreech | ok | 17:05 |
| Daskreech | source | 17:05 |
| Daskreech | hmm | 17:05 |
| ct529 | jussi: actually, it is only konsole .... it does not happen on other konsoles | 17:06 |
| ct529 | jussi: sorry, consoles :-D | 17:06 |
| dantti | Riddell: on maverick when you click on the update icon it opend the whole select update ui whitout a theme, now that i'm on natty only when I click to see a transaction running from the tray... | 17:06 |
| * jussi really now has no idea, thought maybe a graphics driver bug. | 17:06 | |
| Riddell | dantti: I don't have that problem on my install, or on today's daily live CD | 17:06 |
| dantti | something between 4.6.0 and 4.6.1 broke this | 17:06 |
| dantti | Riddell: have you tried to open a running transaction from the tray icon? | 17:07 |
| Riddell | dantti: hmm, yes | 17:08 |
| Riddell | that does have the problem | 17:08 |
| Riddell | weird | 17:08 |
| dantti | Riddell: and here we have a lp bug :P https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/707916 | 17:08 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 707916 in kpackagekit (Ubuntu) "issue kpackagekit with oxygen" [Undecided,Fix released] | 17:08 |
| dantti | Riddell: the fix half fix things... weird | 17:09 |
| Riddell | KDE uses adds a line that points to its plugins so Qt only apps can find the oxygen widget theme | 17:13 |
| Riddell | maybe that broke | 17:13 |
| Daskreech | ct529: is it only on 64 bit installs? | 17:15 |
| ct529 | Daskreech: have no idea I only have 64 bits | 17:16 |
| ct529 | one of the difficulties is that there is no dbg package for konsole | 17:18 |
| Riddell | it's kdebase-dbg but probably the problem is in X | 17:19 |
| debfx | dantti: this commit might fix the issue: http://quickgit.kde.org/index.php?p=kdelibs.git&a=commitdiff&h=979a19afe93d1e4a5be684c1139b6ab242e6b9b6 | 17:20 |
| ct529 | thanks Riddell | 17:20 |
| ScottK | mgraesslin: re your blog post: Don't forget about the appmenu work that agateau has done. I believe the needed Qt changes will be upstream in 4.8. http://skitterman.wordpress.com/2010/07/08/global-menu-in-action-in-kubuntu-maverick/ | 17:21 |
| ct529 | Riddell: I have kdebase-dbg installed but I cannot get any debugging output | 17:21 |
| ScottK | It sounds somewhat similar. | 17:21 |
| mgraesslin | ScottK: that's exactly what I had in mind :-) | 17:22 |
| dantti | debfx: hmm probably, will that be on natty? | 17:22 |
| Riddell | dantti: should be 4.6.2 is due to be tagged this week | 17:25 |
| dantti | Riddell: k, nice :) | 17:27 |
| ct529 | would the xorg.log be any useful? | 17:30 |
| ct529 | in case the bug is connected the X rather than konsole? | 17:31 |
| Daskreech | ~/.xsession-errors might help as well | 17:32 |
| m4n1sh | Riddell: ping | 17:32 |
| Riddell | hello m4n1sh | 17:32 |
| Riddell | ct529: probably gdb backtrace of X more likely | 17:32 |
| m4n1sh | you peopled asked for libqzeitgeist tarball. Right? | 17:33 |
| ct529 | Riddell: ok | 17:33 |
| ct529 | Riddell: how do I generate it? | 17:33 |
| Riddell | m4n1sh: we did | 17:33 |
| m4n1sh | Riddell: shall I mail it to you? | 17:34 |
| Riddell | ct529: that I don't know I'm afraid, you'd need to ask X people such as in #ubuntu-x | 17:34 |
| Riddell | m4n1sh: it should be released to the public | 17:34 |
| m4n1sh | yeah, we are waiting for the webmaster to be online | 17:34 |
| m4n1sh | who has access to the server | 17:35 |
| m4n1sh | Riddell: in this case what URL pattern you want for watch file? | 17:35 |
| Riddell | m4n1sh: qzeitgeist-A.B.C.tar.bz2 ? | 17:36 |
| m4n1sh | I mean the URL how it should look like? | 17:36 |
| m4n1sh | since we have many other components too | 17:37 |
| m4n1sh | so have to keep them structured in directory | 17:37 |
| Riddell | zeitgeist.org.uk/download/qzeitgeist/qzeitgeist-A.B.C.tar.bz2 ? | 17:37 |
| Riddell | I don't think it matters much as long as it's consistent | 17:37 |
| m4n1sh | thanks. :) | 17:38 |
| Daskreech | Riddell: should I recommend kpackagekit or muon ? | 17:40 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: does anything use the phonon zeitgeist integration? | 17:40 |
| apachelogger | no | 17:40 |
| Riddell | Daskreech: that's up to you surely | 17:40 |
| apachelogger | also depends on what you mean by use ;) | 17:41 |
| seiflotfy | apachelogger, well a KDE SoC is up | 17:41 |
| seiflotfy | :) | 17:41 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: so no pressing reason to break feature freeze and worry about getting it on the CD presumably | 17:41 |
| Daskreech | Riddell: ok better question is Muon up for discussion as a viable replacement for kpackagekit? | 17:41 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: nope | 17:41 |
| seiflotfy | and it will be a journal for plasma | 17:41 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: 4.5 wants to get a feature freeze break though ;) | 17:41 |
| apachelogger | as phonon-gst is soon coming out and it will depend on 4.5 | 17:41 |
| Riddell | Daskreech: I've heard jonathan saying it might be | 17:42 |
| Daskreech | I'll put both :) | 17:42 |
| Riddell | DarkwingDuck: yo, it's beta time, do we have any beta documentation? | 17:51 |
| DarkwingDuck | We will by the first. | 17:52 |
| DarkwingDuck | Riddell: ^^ | 17:52 |
| DarkwingDuck | We've had two deaths in the family this month so I'm about a week behind but, I'll catch us up. | 17:53 |
| Daskreech | DarkwingDuck: Sorry to hear | 17:54 |
| DarkwingDuck | :) It's okay | 17:54 |
| DarkwingDuck | But, now that I'm home I can work on this. | 17:55 |
| Riddell | DarkwingDuck: groovy, thanks for looking after it, let me know when it's good to package | 17:56 |
| DarkwingDuck | Riddell: when is beta1 release? | 17:57 |
| * DarkwingDuck forgot about the beta release... I was shooting for the doc freeze on the 7th | 17:57 | |
| Riddell | Thursday | 17:57 |
| DarkwingDuck | Bugger... Okay | 17:57 |
| Riddell | well don't worry if it's not in beta, it usually isn't | 17:57 |
| Riddell | doc freeze is the important one indeed | 17:57 |
| DarkwingDuck | It will be for 11.10 | 17:57 |
| DarkwingDuck | :) | 17:57 |
| DarkwingDuck | and 11.04 will be done for doc freeze for sure. | 17:57 |
| Riddell | bambee: m4n1sh has the tar | 18:13 |
| m4n1sh | yeah | 18:13 |
| m4n1sh | am uploading it on the releases server | 18:13 |
| bambee | m4n1sh: great :) | 18:13 |
| bambee | thanks ! | 18:13 |
| Riddell | nixternal: what can you tell us about the ktorrent bug you were mentioning? we should decide on syncing from debian or not | 18:14 |
| m4n1sh | dammit.. 403 publicly.. I need to catch the webadmin again | 18:14 |
| Daskreech | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE Can someone once over for mistakes | 18:14 |
| Riddell | hi sheytan, are you able to do a release graphic for kubuntu.org front page? (still a month to go but best to be prepared) | 18:18 |
| Riddell | Daskreech: thanks! the first line should probably be changed to be compliant with KDE's branding | 18:19 |
| Riddell | so probably "Installing KDE's Plasma Desktop and Applications" | 18:20 |
| Daskreech | I just put software compilation | 18:20 |
| bambee | obex-data-server has been uploaded on revu (synced with trunk) | 18:23 |
| c2tarun | bambee: ping | 18:27 |
| bambee | c2tarun: pong | 18:27 |
| c2tarun | bambee: hi, sorry I was out for a while, what do you mean by debugging symbols? | 18:28 |
| bambee | packages which end with -dbg | 18:29 |
| bambee | for example libqt4-dbg | 18:29 |
| c2tarun | why do we use them, I dont know anything about them, is there any place I can read about them? | 18:29 |
| bambee | debugging symbol are additional informations used by gdb with libraries and executable to get a nice backtrace with functions, variables etc. | 18:31 |
| c2tarun | bambee: you fixed any bug? can you please give me any link, looking on it will help me. | 18:32 |
| c2tarun | bambee: or, please give me link of any small crash bug. | 18:32 |
| bambee | what? I fixed nothing | 18:32 |
| c2tarun | bambee: how to do a backtrace? | 18:33 |
| bambee | well, ask a kde dev for a small crash. Or look for "junior" bugs | 18:34 |
| c2tarun | bambee: what about backtrace? can you please tell me how to run a backtrace? | 18:35 |
| bambee | c2tarun: usually when a kde application crashes a window containing the backtrace is opened | 18:35 |
| * bambee tries to remember its name... kcrashhandler ? | 18:36 | |
| yofel | drkonqi | 18:36 |
| yofel | c2tarun: open drkonqi for now, you can manually simulate a crash with (using konsole as example): | 18:38 |
| yofel | start konsole, then run: kill -s SIGSEGV $(pidof konsole) | 18:38 |
| yofel | that'll open the crash handler | 18:39 |
| bambee | c2tarun: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Debugging/How_to_create_useful_crash_reports | 18:39 |
| yofel | if you go on developer information it will try to generate the backtrace | 18:39 |
| yofel | (if you have the debugging symbols installed) | 18:39 |
| bambee | you can also click on "install missing symbols" (something like that) | 18:40 |
| c2tarun | yofel: I am getting command not found for drkonqi | 18:42 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: we really need a new snapshot of rekonq for this beta, the tab bar but is a killer | 18:42 |
| yofel | c2tarun: you can't run it by hand, it's not in the PATH - once you crash konsole it'll open by itself | 18:43 |
| Riddell | afiestas: do you know if there's a bug for the obex-data-server issue? | 18:44 |
| c2tarun | yofel: I am getting this msg Warning: Program '/bin/bash' crashed. but drkonqi is not starting. | 18:45 |
| yofel | c2tarun: odd, works here, can you try to crash something else like dolphin? | 18:46 |
| c2tarun | yofel: is SIGSEGV is for crashing anything? | 18:47 |
| yofel | c2tarun: SIGSEGV is a signal that's usually send out by the application on a crash (Segmentation fault) | 18:47 |
| c2tarun | yofel: got it :) I crashed bash last time not konsole. | 18:49 |
| yofel | well, at least it's one type of a crash, there are other reasons for crashes too | 18:49 |
| yofel | ah, ok ^^ | 18:49 |
| c2tarun | is there anything I can read about backtracking and fixing crash bugs? | 18:50 |
| Riddell | c2tarun: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Debugging/Debugging_with_GDB | 18:51 |
| yofel | well, you'll need to know the language the application is written in to fix crash bugs, as for backtraces: for KDE drkonqi does that part usually, and for othercases read Riddells link | 18:51 |
| bambee | c2tarun: for example the language is python, the interpreter will generate a backtrace by itself and already know everything about the state of the program (no extra debugging symbols required) => in this case drkonqi won't be used nor gdb | 18:54 |
| bambee | for a program written in C++, debugging symbols are required and a backtrace generated with drkonqi or gdb is required | 18:55 |
| bambee | look at techbase | 18:55 |
| m4n1sh | Riddell: bambee : ping | 19:00 |
| m4n1sh | http://releases.zeitgeist-project.com/qzeitgeist/QtZeitgeist-0.7.0.tar.bz2 | 19:00 |
| bambee | m4n1sh: thanks :D | 19:01 |
| Riddell | QtZeitgeist-0.7.0/xml/org.gnome.zeitgeist.Index.xml it's a gnome conspiracy! | 19:02 |
| Riddell | bambee: did you do or are you planning a feature freeze for libmygpo-qt ? | 19:03 |
| Riddell | would be nice to have it in even if amarok packages don't use it, just to keep the amarok devs happy | 19:03 |
| m4n1sh | Riddell: lolz.. | 19:04 |
| sheytan | Riddell Hey dude! | 19:05 |
| m4n1sh | we cant change the bus address now anyway | 19:05 |
| Riddell | hi sheytan | 19:05 |
| sheytan | Riddell sure i will make that graphics | 19:05 |
| sheytan | Riddell so, did you see my mockup for the installer slideshow? | 19:06 |
| Riddell | sheytan: no I don't think I did | 19:06 |
| bambee | Riddell: no I did not and yes I am planning a FFE. I am packaging libqzeitgeist (rules are done) then I will ask a FFE (and read the wiki) | 19:06 |
| sheytan | Riddell http://madsheytan.blogspot.com/2011/03/instalator-kubuntu-pokaz-slajdow-mockup.html | 19:06 |
| sheytan | Riddell please tell me if the slideshow can work as full screen? | 19:07 |
| bambee | Riddell: FFE for libmyqpo-qt is in my todolist :) | 19:07 |
| Riddell | sheytan: well it could but it needs code to do it, and currently we don't have anyone coding on the installer | 19:07 |
| sheytan | Riddell we sure will find someone till 11.10 :D | 19:08 |
| sheytan | like the mock? | 19:08 |
| Riddell | sheytan: yes it looks lovely | 19:08 |
| sheytan | Riddell this can be the best part of the installation process, so we *have* to find someone to code this :D | 19:09 |
| * Riddell out | 19:10 | |
| ScottK | Riddell: koffice built on armel. Thanks again for the patch. Uploaded. | 19:33 |
| afiestas | Riddell: reported in their bugtrack, yes | 19:44 |
| afiestas | reported in ubuntu, dunno | 19:44 |
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| apachelogger | shadeslayer: ping | 19:58 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: pong | 19:58 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: what does you think about rewriting kde in java? | 19:58 |
| apachelogger | that could be a fun gsoc project | 19:59 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: sure, just need to support Jambi again | 19:59 |
| apachelogger | nah | 19:59 |
| ulysses | apachelogger: are you drunk again, right? | 19:59 |
| apachelogger | smoke it | 19:59 |
| shadeslayer | kdejavalibs | 19:59 |
| apachelogger | ulysses: no | 19:59 |
| shadeslayer | kdejavaworkspace | 19:59 |
| shadeslayer | kjavaworkspace | 19:59 |
| * apachelogger forgot his rum at his parent's place | 19:59 | |
| shadeslayer | the future is here! | 19:59 |
| apachelogger | future++ | 19:59 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: i'm already in the future | 20:00 |
| apachelogger | oh, hold on, that makes it the future of the future | 20:00 |
| apachelogger | holy smokes | 20:00 |
| apachelogger | oh | 20:00 |
| apachelogger | ++future | 20:00 |
| shadeslayer | yep ^^ | 20:00 |
| apachelogger | that would make future happen before future | 20:00 |
| apachelogger | now it is gettin crazy | 20:00 |
| apachelogger | next time related var I use in phonon will be called future and I will suffix increment it | 20:00 |
| apachelogger | just for the lolz of it | 20:00 |
| apachelogger | muhahaha | 20:00 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: actually phonon is an easy porting target to jahava | 20:01 |
| apachelogger | as it has plenty of them interfaces | 20:01 |
| apachelogger | and the java likes them interfaces | 20:01 |
| apachelogger | and I likes the javas | 20:01 |
| apachelogger | it is a perfect match | 20:01 |
| shadeslayer | javalogger | 20:01 |
| === apachelogger is now known as javalogger | ||
| shadeslayer | there we go! | 20:01 |
| shadeslayer | javalogger and kdeslayer | 20:02 |
| shadeslayer | :P | 20:02 |
| javalogger | yeah, lets slay that kde | 20:02 |
| shadeslayer | i wouldn't dare change nicks to kdeslayer tho ... | 20:02 |
| javalogger | shadeslayer: are you a chicken? | 20:02 |
| shadeslayer | javalogger: i hear KDE has ninjas | 20:02 |
| shadeslayer | so yes | 20:03 |
| shadeslayer | i'm afraid for my life | 20:03 |
| javalogger | oh? | 20:03 |
| javalogger | did you ever look at a map of global kde contributors | 20:03 |
| javalogger | the only thing they got is bratwurst and sauerkraut | 20:03 |
| javalogger | although thinking about being attacked by those sounds scary too | 20:03 |
| javalogger | nevermind me, I am plenty of useless | 20:04 |
| * javalogger beings to feel like nixternal | 20:04 | |
| * javalogger hugs nixternal | 20:04 | |
| javalogger | nixternal: let's make kubuntu2 happen! | 20:04 |
| javalogger | based on darwin | 20:04 |
| javalogger | actually | 20:05 |
| javalogger | nixternal: ping | 20:05 |
| javalogger | DarkwingDuck: ping | 20:05 |
| javalogger | shadeslayer: ping | 20:05 |
| shadeslayer | yes | 20:05 |
| javalogger | just wanted to ping you | 20:05 |
| javalogger | shadeslayer: are you giving us phonon love for gsoc? | 20:06 |
| shadeslayer | kubuntu2 ... not nearly half as broken as Kubuntu1 | 20:06 |
| shadeslayer | javalogger: might, i have 2 options in front of me right now | 20:06 |
| shadeslayer | i don't want to submit more than 2 applications, one is gone for telepathy kde | 20:06 |
| javalogger | talking about broken ... to me it feels as is X and its drivers are actually turning crappier with every release we do | 20:06 |
| ScottK | Good thing we're going Wayland. | 20:07 |
| shadeslayer | the 2 other options i have are PIM and Phonon | 20:07 |
| javalogger | shadeslayer: Nightrose says you can shoot out 5, then its getting silly | 20:07 |
| javalogger | it is the long way to way land, where ther are more ways | 20:07 |
| javalogger | oh my | 20:07 |
| * javalogger could really be drunk | 20:07 | |
| shadeslayer | javalogger: Nightrose said 2 and 3 at most :P | 20:07 |
| javalogger | would be the same result | 20:07 |
| shadeslayer | javalogger: re write X in Java | 20:07 |
| shadeslayer | now *that* would be fun | 20:07 |
| javalogger | shadeslayer: right, Nightrose probably said that and I read 5 as I wanted to read 5 | 20:07 |
| javalogger | makes sense in a way | 20:08 |
| Nightrose | -.- | 20:08 |
| * javalogger thought about doing a gsocy thing for other distributions | 20:08 | |
| javalogger | cultural exchange and what not | 20:08 |
| shadeslayer | javalogger: go break them other distros | 20:08 |
| shadeslayer | then we can have world domination | 20:08 |
| javalogger | Nightrose: it is because you never talk to me, so I start to forget how to listen........ | 20:08 |
| javalogger | shadeslayer: making other things suck does not make our thing better..... | 20:09 |
| * bambee is blind he did read "java" | 20:09 | |
| shadeslayer | true that | 20:09 |
| * javalogger is a jahava witness | 20:09 | |
| shadeslayer | LOL | 20:09 |
| javalogger | also I got mail | 20:10 |
| bambee | new throw BloodInMyEyesException(); | 20:10 |
| * javalogger consults the mail robot about the content of the mail | 20:10 | |
| * Nightrose hugs javalogger | 20:10 | |
| javalogger | ah, I must conduct a review | 20:10 |
| * javalogger has no clue how that works | 20:10 | |
| * javalogger uberhugs Nightrose meanwhile | 20:10 | |
| javalogger | shadeslayer: can you please conduct a review and tell me what to write? | 20:11 |
| shadeslayer | javalogger: /kick javalogger | 20:11 |
| javalogger | lolwut? | 20:11 |
| javalogger | my phonon made sounds, what is going on here :O | 20:13 |
| javalogger | oh, highlight0ring | 20:13 |
| * javalogger tells shadeslayer to review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kcm-grub2 | 20:13 | |
| * javalogger also tells bambee to review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kcm-grub2 | 20:13 | |
| bambee | Riddell: is it enough for a FFE ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/586584/ | 20:14 |
| bambee | (I mean except my english... :P) | 20:14 |
| javalogger | bambee: it doesnt really cover *why* we want it, does it? | 20:14 |
| javalogger | I mean, from a makes-users-happy perspective | 20:15 |
| bambee | javalogger: ohhh... | 20:15 |
| javalogger | though generally it should suffice, just saying ^^ | 20:15 |
| javalogger | also you are supposed to do a review :P | 20:15 |
| bambee | if a user wants to use the new gpodder service in amarok... :) | 20:16 |
| javalogger | yeah, but what is the benefit | 20:16 |
| javalogger | users can then become unicorns and barf rainbows | 20:16 |
| javalogger | or some such | 20:16 |
| bambee | the benefit is : manage and use your podcasts via amarok ? | 20:17 |
| DarkwingDuck | javalogger: pong | 20:18 |
| javalogger | DarkwingDuck: I want to make khelpcenter a porn viewer, erm, better tool, any suggestions? | 20:18 |
| javalogger | or things that you do not like about the current thing? | 20:18 |
| javalogger | or things that you do not like about shadeslayer? we could reimplement him in java maybe :/// | 20:19 |
| DarkwingDuck | :D | 20:19 |
| shadeslayer | oh noes | 20:19 |
| DarkwingDuck | javalogger: I would like to see mallard intergration in khelpcenter | 20:19 |
| DarkwingDuck | javalogger: also, th icon for Kubuntu help docs is the wrong branding | 20:19 |
| javalogger | DarkwingDuck: I was thinking in a larger scale than wrong branding :) | 20:20 |
| javalogger | whole remake of user experience | 20:20 |
| DarkwingDuck | javalogger: Lemme think about that for a minute... | 20:20 |
| javalogger | bring in new stuff ... like integration with online help resources such as the kde userbase and stuff | 20:20 |
| DarkwingDuck | javalogger: Yeah. Let me think about it. | 20:21 |
| javalogger | probably with the ultimate goal to have khc turn into your one stop service to get your system be less crappy | 20:21 |
| javalogger | wow that sentence was cool Oo | 20:21 |
| DarkwingDuck | I would like that idea... | 20:21 |
| * javalogger really needs to lay off the caffaine | 20:21 | |
| DarkwingDuck | :D | 20:21 |
| DarkwingDuck | BIAB | 20:21 |
| DarkwingDuck | *BBIAB | 20:21 |
| javalogger | shadeslayer: we could rewrite kubotu in java | 20:24 |
| javalogger | kubotu: hi | 20:24 |
| bambee | done bug 744512 | 20:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 744512 in Ubuntu "FeatureFreezeException for libmygpo-qt" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/744512 | 20:24 |
| kubotu | hey javalogger :) | 20:24 |
| shadeslayer | not the bot! | 20:25 |
| shadeslayer | javalogger: spare the bot | 20:25 |
| shadeslayer | take Quintasan instead | 20:25 |
| javalogger | hmmm | 20:26 |
| javalogger | polish java | 20:26 |
| javalogger | that could work | 20:26 |
| javalogger | opens up a whole new market I suppose | 20:26 |
| shadeslayer | javalogger: debian/patches/debian-changes-0.3.0-0ubuntu1 | 20:27 |
| shadeslayer | that looks ... bad | 20:27 |
| javalogger | righto | 20:27 |
| javalogger | same thought here | 20:27 |
| shadeslayer | javalogger: License: GPL-3+ | 20:28 |
| shadeslayer | er .. GPL 3+ ? | 20:28 |
| shadeslayer | do we have that license? | 20:28 |
| shadeslayer | i just see GPL 3 | 20:28 |
| shadeslayer | and no copyright for debian/* files | 20:29 |
| javalogger | * Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or (at your option) * | 20:29 |
| javalogger | * any later version. * | 20:29 |
| bambee | change it to GPL-3 nop ? | 20:29 |
| * yofel understands that as gpl version 3 and greater | 20:29 | |
| shadeslayer | wrong email address | 20:29 |
| javalogger | shadeslayer: sure, the copyright is just the messed up | 20:29 |
| shadeslayer | Copyright: 2011 Jonathan Kolberg <jonathan@unknown> | 20:29 |
| javalogger | well | 20:29 |
| shadeslayer | unknown .... :D | 20:29 |
| javalogger | a bit out of order one might say | 20:29 |
| shadeslayer | yep | 20:29 |
| javalogger | shadeslayer: well, maybe it is unkown ^^ | 20:29 |
| javalogger | shadeslayer: please comment your findings when you are done | 20:30 |
| shadeslayer | will do | 20:30 |
| bambee | also ChangeLog and README could be packaged nop ? | 20:31 |
| bambee | an upstream changelog is always useful, imho | 20:31 |
| shadeslayer | i think dh takes care of it | 20:31 |
| shadeslayer | not entirely sure on that | 20:31 |
| bambee | ah... | 20:32 |
| javalogger | if the stuffz is named appropriately that is | 20:32 |
| shadeslayer | righto | 20:32 |
| bambee | ok | 20:32 |
| shadeslayer | javalogger: done | 20:34 |
| javalogger | shadeslayer: you neeed to be more evil | 20:35 |
| bambee | and what about install files ? | 20:35 |
| javalogger | bambee: anything you want to add to shadeslayer's findings? | 20:35 |
| bambee | wow... automatically installed by dh ? o_O | 20:37 |
| shadeslayer | bambee: isn't perl awesome :P | 20:38 |
| javalogger | I once had a perl | 20:39 |
| javalogger | I lost it in a cup of steaming hot coffee | 20:39 |
| bambee | no seriously ? it rocks... | 20:39 |
| javalogger | eventually it came out as a bean | 20:39 |
| javalogger | bambee, shadeslayer: that has little to do with perl than with how the general magic there works | 20:41 |
| javalogger | if you only have one binary package listed everything gets installed into debian/nameofbinarypackage thus eliminating the manual selection of what is to be installed, as the general assumption is that everything needs to be installed | 20:41 |
| javalogger | if you have >1 binary package it will install to debian/tmp so you need to manually sort out what goes where | 20:42 |
| bambee | interesting... | 20:42 |
| javalogger | bambee: so, anything you got to add for the review? | 20:49 |
| bambee | javalogger: not really.. | 20:50 |
| javalogger | fair enough | 20:51 |
| bambee | except debian/copyright the rest looks ok... | 20:51 |
| javalogger | who knows my launchpad password? | 20:51 |
| javalogger | cause I don't | 20:51 |
| bambee | lol | 20:51 |
| javalogger | shadeslayer, bambee: someone should learn how to be a PITA reviewer :P | 21:00 |
| bambee | javalogger: what is it ? :P | 21:01 |
| javalogger | http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kcm-grub2 | 21:01 |
| javalogger | you missed half the stuff | 21:01 |
| shadeslayer | oh boi | 21:02 |
| bambee | arrf | 21:02 |
| bambee | epic fail xD | 21:03 |
| javalogger | oh | 21:04 |
| javalogger | I also forgot something | 21:04 |
| * javalogger is getting old | 21:05 | |
| javalogger | can't even remember 7 things for 5 minutes anymore | 21:05 |
| bambee | javalogger: by the way you've not something to review on reviewboard.kde.org ? :P | 21:10 |
| javalogger | me? | 21:10 |
| javalogger | how would I know | 21:10 |
| javalogger | *shrug* | 21:10 |
| javalogger | no one ever tells me things | 21:11 |
| bambee | I assigned the review to you and markey | 21:11 |
| javalogger | ah | 21:11 |
| bambee | it's a trivial fix | 21:11 |
| javalogger | that spews out mails | 21:11 |
| javalogger | I only read mails once a month | 21:11 |
| bambee | aaah | 21:11 |
| bambee | xD | 21:11 |
| javalogger | and only 5 of them | 21:11 |
| javalogger | I have a bit of a pile of unread mails | 21:11 |
| bambee | when I test the gpodder service in amarok it displays a "no such slot" error | 21:12 |
| bambee | there are just two lines to change | 21:12 |
| javalogger | well | 21:13 |
| javalogger | bambee: I dont think markey nor me should be the ones reviewing it | 21:13 |
| bambee | there are just two lines | 21:13 |
| javalogger | especially not me since I have no clue of amaroks source whatsoever | 21:13 |
| bambee | you're not an amarok dev ? o_O | 21:13 |
| javalogger | no | 21:14 |
| javalogger | I am professional alcoholic | 21:14 |
| javalogger | and jahava witness | 21:14 |
| javalogger | sort of goes hand in hand | 21:14 |
| Riddell | ScottK: mind and commit koffice to bzr | 21:42 |
| ScottK | Oh. SUre. | 21:42 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Where? Nothing listed in debian/control. | 21:43 |
| Riddell | bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/koffice/ubuntu | 21:43 |
| ScottK | OK. | 21:43 |
| Riddell | if it's not in debian/control just add it | 21:43 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Done, including adding the missing patch from the last upload. | 21:49 |
| Riddell | thanks :) | 21:51 |
| Riddell | kdeedu is still compiling in the ppa here | 21:52 |
| _Groo_ | hi/2 all | 22:39 |
| _Groo_ | to anyone interested, im currently finishing the tomahawk package, complete with libecho and libjreen support | 22:39 |
| _Groo_ | ill be on vacancies starting 4th of april | 22:40 |
| _Groo_ | so i would like to know if its possible to use these 2 weeks to update several packages i have in my backlog which i maintain for nauty, specially kx11grab and wally | 22:40 |
| _Groo_ | and add me as the tomahawk maintainer if no else is available | 22:41 |
| Riddell | _Groo_: what is tomahawk? | 22:52 |
| Riddell | _Groo_: we're in feature freeze now so bugfixes are good, anything with new features needs an exception | 22:52 |
| _Groo_ | Riddell: http://tomahawk-player.org/home | 22:53 |
| _Groo_ | it could go to universe or multiverse i guess | 22:53 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: no thoughts on bug 515138 ? | 22:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 515138 in kdelibs "kded4 (lucid, amd64) defunct on latop" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/515138 | 22:56 |
| Riddell | _Groo_: ah, muesli's new app, groovy | 22:57 |
| ScottK | Looks like it's assigned to the wrong package to start with. | 22:57 |
| JontheEchidna | Riddell: nope. The distupgrade module mentioned in comment 13 isn't compiled, so it can't be that | 22:57 |
| Riddell | JontheEchidna: oh well, presumably we should upload k-n-h after beta freeze anyway | 22:58 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah | 22:58 |
| skaet | Riddell, are the changes for Beta1 going to be put at: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/NattyNarwhal/Beta1/Kubuntu? | 23:02 |
| seiflotfy | Riddell, we have a released libqzeitgeist now | 23:02 |
| seiflotfy | http://releases.zeitgeist-project.com/qzeitgeist/ | 23:03 |
| _Groo_ | seiflotfy: do we have a ppa yet? im compiling phonon with it for now | 23:08 |
| _Groo_ | have you guys seen this before? im compiling clucene from master : CMake Error: The source directory "/home/groo/dev/tomahawk/clucene-HEAD-5e87a29/--disable-dependency-tracking" does not exist. | 23:26 |
| ScottK | You might be missing a space before --disable-dependency-tracking in your makefile or debian/rules. | 23:30 |
| _Groo_ | ScottK: k, let me check | 23:31 |
| _Groo_ | ScottK: it was a borked cmake file | 23:48 |
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