=== phisko_ is now known as kyofel_ === kyofel_ is now known as kyofel [05:00] Riddell: Update on the GL/GLES stuff for armel: In addition to your kdeartwork upload, I fixed kipi-plugins and kdegames. I have a test build of koffice going. kdeedu and kdeplasma-addons are blocked on avogadro getting fixed. slangasek assigned someone to work on avogadro yesterday. [05:00] FSVO yesterday. [05:01] Depending on TZ it might be day before yesterday. [09:03] morning [09:13] yofel: around? [09:15] yofel: any ideas how I can access your server if I am behind a proxy server which only a [09:15] has port 8080 open [09:29] look [09:29] it is a droid [09:29] omg [09:31] ... [09:31] Arf [09:31] apachelogger: I hate this class [09:31] is it about android? [09:31] No ubuntu for miles [09:31] Wat2do [09:31] apachelogger: networking [09:32] what is a miles? [09:32] Socket programming [09:32] people still do that? [09:32] apachelogger: s/miles/kilo meters [09:32] heh [09:33] droidslayer, so ask the teacher about the port 8080 question. [09:33] I just have firessh [09:33] metrics are supreme [09:33] it is a networking class after all. [09:33] Lol [09:33] * apachelogger wonders what youbuntoo has to do with distances though [09:34] tazz: as if she would no [09:34] Know even [09:34] droidslayer, she should :-/ [09:34] tazz: don't be silly, only people who don't have read the associated literature ask questions [09:34] I see ubuntu 9.19 [09:34] Er [09:34] 9.10 [09:34] * apachelogger never asks questions and never reads [09:35] <-- dumb as a spaceship [09:35] nah, hold on [09:35] <-- dumb as a cpu [09:35] actually worse as I do not do calculations as fast [09:35] http://en.blog.wordpress.com/2011/03/23/ipad-onswipe-theme/ [09:35] time to get an ipad [09:36] droidslayer: now what I do not compute, why would the proxy be a problem? [09:36] apachelogger, you mean garbage in = garbage out? That was one of the first "computer Laws" taught at my school :p [09:36] I mean, the proxy can have any port, the dest port of packages stays the same [09:36] unless the proxy is not just a proxy ^^ [09:37] tazz: as someone who thinks of rectangles as circles I do oppose the idea of laws in something as fuzzy as computer science :P [09:38] :D [09:38] apachelogger: I think ssh is blocked [09:38] Only http traffic [09:39] Can't get tethering to work on windows [09:40] droidslayer, cant you use gprs ? ssh is very bandwidth light, protocol. [09:40] tazz: I have 3g [09:40] Tg [09:40] The problem is tethering [09:41] pay me 5k and I shall make you an app [09:41] actually you can get it for 2.5k if you let me put ads in it [09:41] apachelogger, what currency ? ;) [09:41] haha [09:41] Paise [09:41] :P [09:41] does it matter, they are all worthless by now [09:41] spacebucks - the next big thing [09:42] droidslayer, just pay apachelogger some INR [09:42] apachelogger: btw, was meaning to ask you, do you want a diaspora invite? I have one left... [09:42] I never had no INR [09:42] jussi: uh, yes, pretty please :) [09:42] i have 10 left. :p [09:42] pm email address [09:42] jussi invited droidslayer who invited me. [09:42] :p [09:43] jussi: sitter.harald@gmail.com [09:43] like google didnt already know [09:43] sent [09:43] arrived [09:43] jussi: thanks [09:43] * apachelogger uberhugs jussi [09:44] anyone know who guarav chaturvedi is? [09:44] jussi o.O me [09:44] tazz: ahh! so its you who friended me :) [09:45] * jussi adds to ubuntu aspect [09:45] jussi afaik there is no concept of friends on diaspora. [09:45] haha [09:45] * apachelogger once had a friend, sold him for a bottle of vodka and 3 cigars [09:47] apachelogger: awww [09:47] btw, picture uploading seems borked. anyone else got that currently? [09:48] apachelogger: also, diaspora is something you might like to contribute to - its in ruby :P :P [09:48] like I don't have enough stuff to contribute to :P [09:48] hehe [09:48] apachelogger: but your friend sold you, so you now have more time, right? [09:49] :P [09:49] err you sold your friend, but yeauh [09:49] oh dear lawd [09:49] dispora doesn't have pirate english [09:50] how am I supposed to understand this rubbish [09:50] oh noes [09:52] haha [09:52] apachelogger: patches welcome :P [09:56] yeah [09:56] alpha it is [09:56] maybe on of these days I will make a patchy [09:56] or maybe not [09:56] * apachelogger tries to figure out a release schedule for phonon backends [10:02] ah, javascript [10:02] <3 [10:02] jussi: for one reason or another no json response arrives from uploading a photo [10:03] apachelogger: yeah, I just mentioned it in #diaspora-dev, hope someone fixes it [10:03] (soon) [10:04] *nod* [10:04] * apachelogger had too much coffee again [10:06] apachelogger: lol [10:26] Riddell: about obex-data-server I've just to make a new snapshot from upstream ? => 0.4.6~svn20110210-0ubuntu1 [10:29] bambee: yes I believe so === hunger_ is now known as hunger [11:02] netw [11:40] ScottK: I have a test build of kdeedu going which removes opengl and avogadro [11:41] ScottK: I hae me doots about avogadro being able to work with openGLES, there's no mention of it in the source [11:42] ScottK: I also have a build of koffice half done which got killed by broken buildds, retrying it now [11:53] So ... Flipping ... Hot [11:54] Riddell: did you get to ride in a auto [11:54] ? [11:56] no, I never did :( [11:57] Riddell: My koffice build failed with http://paste.kde.org/8315/ - Suggestions welcome. [11:58] The failed build is in /var/cache/pbuilder/build//32544 on my arm box if looking at the remains helps. [11:59] * tazz waves at Mamarok [12:00] Riddell, you want a diaspora invite ? [12:00] tazz: hey :) [12:00] * Mamarok also has invites for Diaspora [12:04] shadeslayer: darn, I didn't give Riddell and nerve wrecking bike journey through bangalore traffic [12:04] droidslayer: no idea, but I can open 8080 if you need it [12:15] ScottK: this fixes it http://paste.kde.org/8317/ [12:15] tazz: hmm, this sounds like yet another social network thing [12:16] Riddell, it is, it is... [12:23] I'll pass for now, I have an invite tollerance of a dozen on new social networks [12:24] ScottK: kdeedu if failing due to separate multiarch breakage anyway :( [13:30] yofel: nah ... Setup a proper server in the lab [13:33] k [13:47] Riddell: Thanks. Trying. [13:50] Riddell: Avogadro accepted. [13:51] ScottK: kdebase-workspace on its way too for mobile love [13:52] Cool. [14:17] Riddell: That's in too. [14:29] sorry I got disconnected, :( did anyone reply to my query? [14:30] what was your query? [14:30] how do kde-developers work? I mean what work do they do? [14:30] Riddell: ^ [14:31] what work do they do within KDE or for their jobs? it rather depends on the individual in either case [14:32] Riddell: within KDE [14:34] Riddell: I mean what kind of development work is going on in KDE and how can anyone participate in it? [14:38] Riddell: any particular features that you would like to see in KDE Telepathy? [14:39] shadeslayer: it should be able to connect to facebook and google talk without having to case what XMPP is [14:39] Riddell: something more substantial ... :D [14:40] c2tarun: typically each part of KDE has a mailing list, irc channel, bug tracker on bugs.kde.org etc [14:40] shadeslayer: it should use the message indicator [14:40] Riddell: so are there any online project work going on for kde or its just bug fixing? [14:41] Riddell: would that qualify for 3 months of work? [14:41] unlikely [14:41] hmmm ... what else [14:42] gobby type collaboration between all applications via telepathy [14:51] Riddell: to work on any lets say this https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=269353 how should I start? [14:51] KDE bug 269353 in general "Crash when dropping files on the breadcrumb bar" [Crash,New] [15:02] c2tarun: 1) install debugging symbols 2) try to reproduce the crash (the same crash not another) 3) download the code (apt-get source) 4) try to understand the issue === larsivi_ is now known as larsivi === cmagina-afk is now known as cmagina === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | Lots to do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | beta 1 bugs http://goo.gl/23eui | Meeting Wednesday 30th 17:00UTC [16:22] does someone knows what happened to systray apps that don't get the theme? [16:24] dantti: if they don't get the plasma theme artwork they fall back to the normal icon [16:31] Riddell: hey :) no, I'm speaking of oxygen theme, when you open it it' gets no theme [16:32] more specifficaly kpk (I couldn't find another app with that problem) [16:32] we will rock KDE [16:32] hehehe [16:33] Riddell: btw as soon as I finish some personal stuff I'll try to release Apper (too bad that it's too late for 11.04) [16:33] Riddell: libqzeitgeist is tagged , jpwhiting is actually creating a tarball and the library has a fixed soname now [16:34] Riddell: taking care of two kids is much more work than I imagined :P [16:40] Riddell: should that install KDE page stay on the wiki? [16:43] qzeitgeist? [16:43] Why would I want GNOME in my KDE [16:45] zeitgeist isn't technically GNOMe [16:45] Like akonadi isn'ttechnically KDE [16:45] Oh, I thought Zeitgeist is some GNOME-ish black magic [16:46] Daskreech: and it (Zeitgeist) won't pull half of GNOME as dependencies? [16:46] Other way around [16:46] Half of GNOME pulls Zeitgeist [16:51] okay [16:51] I was afraid I would have to install half of GNOME to have Zeitgeist [16:51] Daskreech: akonadi isn't KDE [16:51] in fact it was supposed to be fdo [16:51] apachelogger: I just said that [16:51] but they rejected it [16:52] them bstrds [16:52] Cause it didn't have a GNOME implementation as I recall [16:52] nah, cause it all goes to crapz [16:53] Quintasan, zeitgeist has NO GNOME dependency [16:53] Daskreech: yes I think so but it should be updated [16:53] hi everybody, I have a serious problem here .... when you maximise / minimise konsole the entire desktop freezes .... 10.10 64 bit with kde 4.6.1 same problem with kde 4.6.0 [16:54] Riddell: is there an equivalent for less than full KDE since KDE4 ? [16:54] I have tried to debug, but unsuccessfull .... [16:54] anyone heard of it? what should I do? [16:54] dantti: I seem to remember from looking at the code that it's non-trivial to apply the oxygen systray theme to icons, by default it'll just open the normal icon you specify [16:54] by non trivial I mean it has to use locate() and whatnot [16:55] Daskreech: kde-plasma-desktop [16:55] or -netbook [16:55] ct529: I've not heard of that issue [16:56] Riddell: I have done a bit of googling and the issue seems to be discussed [16:56] Riddell: the machine is quite performant, cannto be due to the hw [16:57] Riddell: also gnome or lxde or openbox do not have the same problem [16:59] ct529: is it only console [16:59] ? [17:01] jussi: yes [17:01] Riddell: no, I expressed myself badly, what I'm trying to say is this -> http://wstaw.org/m/2011/03/28/plasma-desktopOD1804.jpg [17:01] dantti: what's the issue there? [17:03] Riddell: the widget theme? [17:03] Riddell: KDE has been replaced with kde-full ? [17:04] Daskreech: look in meta-kde [17:04] dantti: oh aye, that's ugly [17:05] What's meta-kde ? [17:05] Riddell: yes it is, it happened after 4.6 [17:05] apachelogger: I guess you can answer that :) [17:05] Daskreech: the source package from debian for various meta packages for kde [17:05] ah [17:05] ok [17:05] source [17:05] hmm [17:06] jussi: actually, it is only konsole .... it does not happen on other konsoles [17:06] jussi: sorry, consoles :-D [17:06] Riddell: on maverick when you click on the update icon it opend the whole select update ui whitout a theme, now that i'm on natty only when I click to see a transaction running from the tray... [17:06] * jussi really now has no idea, thought maybe a graphics driver bug. [17:06] dantti: I don't have that problem on my install, or on today's daily live CD [17:06] something between 4.6.0 and 4.6.1 broke this [17:07] Riddell: have you tried to open a running transaction from the tray icon? [17:08] dantti: hmm, yes [17:08] that does have the problem [17:08] weird [17:08] Riddell: and here we have a lp bug :P https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/707916 [17:08] Ubuntu bug 707916 in kpackagekit (Ubuntu) "issue kpackagekit with oxygen" [Undecided,Fix released] [17:09] Riddell: the fix half fix things... weird [17:13] KDE uses adds a line that points to its plugins so Qt only apps can find the oxygen widget theme [17:13] maybe that broke [17:15] ct529: is it only on 64 bit installs? [17:16] Daskreech: have no idea I only have 64 bits [17:18] one of the difficulties is that there is no dbg package for konsole [17:19] it's kdebase-dbg but probably the problem is in X [17:20] dantti: this commit might fix the issue: http://quickgit.kde.org/index.php?p=kdelibs.git&a=commitdiff&h=979a19afe93d1e4a5be684c1139b6ab242e6b9b6 [17:20] thanks Riddell [17:21] mgraesslin: re your blog post: Don't forget about the appmenu work that agateau has done. I believe the needed Qt changes will be upstream in 4.8. http://skitterman.wordpress.com/2010/07/08/global-menu-in-action-in-kubuntu-maverick/ [17:21] Riddell: I have kdebase-dbg installed but I cannot get any debugging output [17:21] It sounds somewhat similar. [17:22] ScottK: that's exactly what I had in mind :-) [17:22] debfx: hmm probably, will that be on natty? [17:25] dantti: should be 4.6.2 is due to be tagged this week [17:27] Riddell: k, nice :) [17:30] would the xorg.log be any useful? [17:31] in case the bug is connected the X rather than konsole? [17:32] ~/.xsession-errors might help as well [17:32] Riddell: ping [17:32] hello m4n1sh [17:32] ct529: probably gdb backtrace of X more likely [17:33] you peopled asked for libqzeitgeist tarball. Right? [17:33] Riddell: ok [17:33] Riddell: how do I generate it? [17:33] m4n1sh: we did [17:34] Riddell: shall I mail it to you? [17:34] ct529: that I don't know I'm afraid, you'd need to ask X people such as in #ubuntu-x [17:34] m4n1sh: it should be released to the public [17:34] yeah, we are waiting for the webmaster to be online [17:35] who has access to the server [17:35] Riddell: in this case what URL pattern you want for watch file? [17:36] m4n1sh: qzeitgeist-A.B.C.tar.bz2 ? [17:36] I mean the URL how it should look like? [17:37] since we have many other components too [17:37] so have to keep them structured in directory [17:37] zeitgeist.org.uk/download/qzeitgeist/qzeitgeist-A.B.C.tar.bz2 ? [17:37] I don't think it matters much as long as it's consistent [17:38] thanks. :) [17:40] Riddell: should I recommend kpackagekit or muon ? [17:40] apachelogger: does anything use the phonon zeitgeist integration? [17:40] no [17:40] Daskreech: that's up to you surely [17:41] also depends on what you mean by use ;) [17:41] apachelogger, well a KDE SoC is up [17:41] :) [17:41] apachelogger: so no pressing reason to break feature freeze and worry about getting it on the CD presumably [17:41] Riddell: ok better question is Muon up for discussion as a viable replacement for kpackagekit? [17:41] Riddell: nope [17:41] and it will be a journal for plasma [17:41] Riddell: 4.5 wants to get a feature freeze break though ;) [17:41] as phonon-gst is soon coming out and it will depend on 4.5 [17:42] Daskreech: I've heard jonathan saying it might be [17:42] I'll put both :) [17:51] DarkwingDuck: yo, it's beta time, do we have any beta documentation? [17:52] We will by the first. [17:52] Riddell: ^^ [17:53] We've had two deaths in the family this month so I'm about a week behind but, I'll catch us up. [17:54] DarkwingDuck: Sorry to hear [17:54] :) It's okay [17:55] But, now that I'm home I can work on this. [17:56] DarkwingDuck: groovy, thanks for looking after it, let me know when it's good to package [17:57] Riddell: when is beta1 release? [17:57] * DarkwingDuck forgot about the beta release... I was shooting for the doc freeze on the 7th [17:57] Thursday [17:57] Bugger... Okay [17:57] well don't worry if it's not in beta, it usually isn't [17:57] doc freeze is the important one indeed [17:57] It will be for 11.10 [17:57] :) [17:57] and 11.04 will be done for doc freeze for sure. [18:13] bambee: m4n1sh has the tar [18:13] yeah [18:13] am uploading it on the releases server [18:13] m4n1sh: great :) [18:13] thanks ! [18:14] nixternal: what can you tell us about the ktorrent bug you were mentioning? we should decide on syncing from debian or not [18:14] dammit.. 403 publicly.. I need to catch the webadmin again [18:14] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE Can someone once over for mistakes [18:18] hi sheytan, are you able to do a release graphic for kubuntu.org front page? (still a month to go but best to be prepared) [18:19] Daskreech: thanks! the first line should probably be changed to be compliant with KDE's branding [18:20] so probably "Installing KDE's Plasma Desktop and Applications" [18:20] I just put software compilation [18:23] obex-data-server has been uploaded on revu (synced with trunk) [18:27] bambee: ping [18:27] c2tarun: pong [18:28] bambee: hi, sorry I was out for a while, what do you mean by debugging symbols? [18:29] packages which end with -dbg [18:29] for example libqt4-dbg [18:29] why do we use them, I dont know anything about them, is there any place I can read about them? [18:31] debugging symbol are additional informations used by gdb with libraries and executable to get a nice backtrace with functions, variables etc. [18:32] bambee: you fixed any bug? can you please give me any link, looking on it will help me. [18:32] bambee: or, please give me link of any small crash bug. [18:32] what? I fixed nothing [18:33] bambee: how to do a backtrace? [18:34] well, ask a kde dev for a small crash. Or look for "junior" bugs [18:35] bambee: what about backtrace? can you please tell me how to run a backtrace? [18:35] c2tarun: usually when a kde application crashes a window containing the backtrace is opened [18:36] * bambee tries to remember its name... kcrashhandler ? [18:36] drkonqi [18:38] c2tarun: open drkonqi for now, you can manually simulate a crash with (using konsole as example): [18:38] start konsole, then run: kill -s SIGSEGV $(pidof konsole) [18:39] that'll open the crash handler [18:39] c2tarun: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Debugging/How_to_create_useful_crash_reports [18:39] if you go on developer information it will try to generate the backtrace [18:39] (if you have the debugging symbols installed) [18:40] you can also click on "install missing symbols" (something like that) [18:42] yofel: I am getting command not found for drkonqi [18:42] shadeslayer: we really need a new snapshot of rekonq for this beta, the tab bar but is a killer [18:43] c2tarun: you can't run it by hand, it's not in the PATH - once you crash konsole it'll open by itself [18:44] afiestas: do you know if there's a bug for the obex-data-server issue? [18:45] yofel: I am getting this msg Warning: Program '/bin/bash' crashed. but drkonqi is not starting. [18:46] c2tarun: odd, works here, can you try to crash something else like dolphin? [18:47] yofel: is SIGSEGV is for crashing anything? [18:47] c2tarun: SIGSEGV is a signal that's usually send out by the application on a crash (Segmentation fault) [18:49] yofel: got it :) I crashed bash last time not konsole. [18:49] well, at least it's one type of a crash, there are other reasons for crashes too [18:49] ah, ok ^^ [18:50] is there anything I can read about backtracking and fixing crash bugs? [18:51] c2tarun: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Debugging/Debugging_with_GDB [18:51] well, you'll need to know the language the application is written in to fix crash bugs, as for backtraces: for KDE drkonqi does that part usually, and for othercases read Riddells link [18:54] c2tarun: for example the language is python, the interpreter will generate a backtrace by itself and already know everything about the state of the program (no extra debugging symbols required) => in this case drkonqi won't be used nor gdb [18:55] for a program written in C++, debugging symbols are required and a backtrace generated with drkonqi or gdb is required [18:55] look at techbase [19:00] Riddell: bambee : ping [19:00] http://releases.zeitgeist-project.com/qzeitgeist/QtZeitgeist-0.7.0.tar.bz2 [19:01] m4n1sh: thanks :D [19:02] QtZeitgeist-0.7.0/xml/org.gnome.zeitgeist.Index.xml it's a gnome conspiracy! [19:03] bambee: did you do or are you planning a feature freeze for libmygpo-qt ? [19:03] would be nice to have it in even if amarok packages don't use it, just to keep the amarok devs happy [19:04] Riddell: lolz.. [19:05] Riddell Hey dude! [19:05] we cant change the bus address now anyway [19:05] hi sheytan [19:05] Riddell sure i will make that graphics [19:06] Riddell so, did you see my mockup for the installer slideshow? [19:06] sheytan: no I don't think I did [19:06] Riddell: no I did not and yes I am planning a FFE. I am packaging libqzeitgeist (rules are done) then I will ask a FFE (and read the wiki) [19:06] Riddell http://madsheytan.blogspot.com/2011/03/instalator-kubuntu-pokaz-slajdow-mockup.html [19:07] Riddell please tell me if the slideshow can work as full screen? [19:07] Riddell: FFE for libmyqpo-qt is in my todolist :) [19:07] sheytan: well it could but it needs code to do it, and currently we don't have anyone coding on the installer [19:08] Riddell we sure will find someone till 11.10 :D [19:08] like the mock? [19:08] sheytan: yes it looks lovely [19:09] Riddell this can be the best part of the installation process, so we *have* to find someone to code this :D [19:10] * Riddell out [19:33] Riddell: koffice built on armel. Thanks again for the patch. Uploaded. [19:44] Riddell: reported in their bugtrack, yes [19:44] reported in ubuntu, dunno === em is now known as emma === cmagina is now known as cmagina-afk [19:58] shadeslayer: ping [19:58] apachelogger: pong [19:58] shadeslayer: what does you think about rewriting kde in java? [19:59] that could be a fun gsoc project [19:59] apachelogger: sure, just need to support Jambi again [19:59] nah [19:59] apachelogger: are you drunk again, right? [19:59] smoke it [19:59] kdejavalibs [19:59] ulysses: no [19:59] kdejavaworkspace [19:59] kjavaworkspace [19:59] * apachelogger forgot his rum at his parent's place [19:59] the future is here! [19:59] future++ [20:00] apachelogger: i'm already in the future [20:00] oh, hold on, that makes it the future of the future [20:00] holy smokes [20:00] oh [20:00] ++future [20:00] yep ^^ [20:00] that would make future happen before future [20:00] now it is gettin crazy [20:00] next time related var I use in phonon will be called future and I will suffix increment it [20:00] just for the lolz of it [20:00] muhahaha [20:01] shadeslayer: actually phonon is an easy porting target to jahava [20:01] as it has plenty of them interfaces [20:01] and the java likes them interfaces [20:01] and I likes the javas [20:01] it is a perfect match [20:01] javalogger === apachelogger is now known as javalogger [20:01] there we go! [20:02]