[05:00] <ScottK> Riddell: Update on the GL/GLES stuff for armel: In addition to your kdeartwork upload, I fixed kipi-plugins and kdegames.  I have a test build of koffice going.  kdeedu and kdeplasma-addons are blocked on avogadro getting fixed.  slangasek assigned someone to work on avogadro yesterday.
[05:00] <ScottK> FSVO yesterday.
[05:01] <ScottK> Depending on TZ it might be day before yesterday.
[09:03] <bambee> morning
[09:13] <droidslayer> yofel: around?
[09:15] <droidslayer> yofel: any ideas how I can access your server if I am behind a proxy server which only a
[09:15] <droidslayer> has port 8080 open
[09:29] <apachelogger> look
[09:29] <apachelogger> it is a droid
[09:29] <apachelogger> omg
[09:31] <droidslayer> ...
[09:31] <droidslayer> Arf
[09:31] <droidslayer> apachelogger: I hate this class
[09:31] <apachelogger> is it about android?
[09:31] <droidslayer> No ubuntu for miles
[09:31] <droidslayer> Wat2do
[09:31] <droidslayer> apachelogger: networking
[09:32] <apachelogger> what is a miles?
[09:32] <droidslayer> Socket programming
[09:32] <apachelogger> people still do that?
[09:32] <droidslayer> apachelogger: s/miles/kilo meters
[09:32] <tazz> heh
[09:33] <tazz> droidslayer, so ask the teacher about the port 8080 question.
[09:33] <droidslayer> I just have firessh
[09:33] <apachelogger> metrics are supreme
[09:33] <tazz> it is a networking class after all.
[09:33] <droidslayer> Lol
[09:33]  * apachelogger wonders what youbuntoo has to do with distances though
[09:34] <droidslayer> tazz: as if she would no
[09:34] <droidslayer> Know even
[09:34] <tazz> droidslayer, she should :-/
[09:34] <apachelogger> tazz: don't be silly, only people who don't have read the associated literature ask questions
[09:34] <droidslayer> I see ubuntu 9.19
[09:34] <droidslayer> Er
[09:34] <droidslayer> 9.10
[09:34]  * apachelogger never asks questions and never reads
[09:35] <apachelogger> <-- dumb as a spaceship
[09:35] <apachelogger> nah, hold on
[09:35] <apachelogger> <-- dumb as a cpu
[09:35] <apachelogger> actually worse as I do not do calculations as fast
[09:35] <apachelogger> http://en.blog.wordpress.com/2011/03/23/ipad-onswipe-theme/
[09:35] <apachelogger> time to get an ipad
[09:36] <apachelogger> droidslayer: now what I do not compute, why would the proxy be a problem?
[09:36] <tazz> apachelogger, you mean garbage in = garbage out? That was one of the first "computer Laws" taught at my school :p
[09:36] <apachelogger> I mean, the proxy can have any port, the dest port of packages stays the same
[09:36] <apachelogger> unless the proxy is not just a proxy ^^
[09:37] <apachelogger> tazz: as someone who thinks of rectangles as circles I do oppose the idea of laws in something as fuzzy as computer science :P
[09:38] <tazz> :D
[09:38] <droidslayer> apachelogger: I think ssh is blocked
[09:38] <droidslayer> Only http traffic
[09:39] <droidslayer> Can't get tethering to work on windows
[09:40] <tazz> droidslayer, cant you use gprs ? ssh is very bandwidth light, protocol.
[09:40] <droidslayer> tazz: I have 3g
[09:40] <droidslayer> Tg
[09:40] <droidslayer> The problem is tethering
[09:41] <apachelogger> pay me 5k and I shall make you an app
[09:41] <apachelogger> actually you can get it for 2.5k if you let me put ads in it
[09:41] <tazz> apachelogger, what currency ? ;)
[09:41] <jussi> haha
[09:41] <droidslayer> Paise
[09:41] <droidslayer> :P
[09:41] <apachelogger> does it matter, they are all worthless by now
[09:41] <apachelogger> spacebucks - the next big thing
[09:42] <tazz> droidslayer, just pay apachelogger  some INR
[09:42] <jussi> apachelogger: btw, was meaning to ask you, do you want a diaspora invite? I have one left...
[09:42] <apachelogger> I never had no INR
[09:42] <apachelogger> jussi: uh, yes, pretty please :)
[09:42] <tazz>  i have 10 left. :p
[09:42] <jussi> pm email address
[09:42] <tazz> jussi invited droidslayer who invited me. 
[09:42] <tazz> :p
[09:43] <apachelogger> jussi: sitter.harald@gmail.com
[09:43] <apachelogger> like google didnt already know
[09:43] <jussi> sent
[09:43] <apachelogger> arrived
[09:43] <apachelogger> jussi: thanks
[09:43]  * apachelogger uberhugs jussi
[09:44] <jussi> anyone know who guarav chaturvedi is? 
[09:44] <tazz> jussi o.O me
[09:44] <jussi> tazz: ahh! so its you who friended me :)
[09:45]  * jussi adds to ubuntu aspect
[09:45] <tazz> jussi afaik there is no concept of friends on diaspora.
[09:45] <jussi> haha
[09:45]  * apachelogger once had a friend, sold him for a bottle of vodka and 3 cigars
[09:47] <jussi> apachelogger: awww
[09:47] <jussi> btw, picture uploading seems borked. anyone else got that currently? 
[09:48] <jussi> apachelogger: also, diaspora is something you might like to contribute to - its in ruby :P :P 
[09:48] <apachelogger> like I don't have enough stuff to contribute to :P
[09:48] <jussi> hehe
[09:48] <jussi> apachelogger: but your friend sold you, so you now have more time, right? 
[09:49] <jussi> :P
[09:49] <jussi> err you sold your friend, but yeauh
[09:49] <apachelogger> oh dear lawd
[09:49] <apachelogger> dispora doesn't have pirate english
[09:50] <apachelogger> how am I supposed to understand this rubbish
[09:50] <apachelogger> oh noes
[09:52] <jussi> haha
[09:52] <jussi> apachelogger: patches welcome :P
[09:56] <apachelogger> yeah
[09:56] <apachelogger> alpha it is
[09:56] <apachelogger> maybe on of these days I will make a patchy
[09:56] <apachelogger> or maybe not
[09:56]  * apachelogger tries to figure out a release schedule for phonon backends
[10:02] <apachelogger> ah, javascript
[10:02] <apachelogger> <3
[10:02] <apachelogger> jussi: for one reason or another no json response arrives from uploading a photo
[10:03] <jussi> apachelogger: yeah, I just mentioned it in #diaspora-dev, hope someone fixes it
[10:03] <jussi> (soon)
[10:04] <apachelogger> *nod*
[10:04]  * apachelogger had too much coffee again
[10:06] <jussi> apachelogger: lol
[10:26] <bambee> Riddell: about obex-data-server I've just to make a new snapshot from upstream ? => 0.4.6~svn20110210-0ubuntu1 
[10:29] <Riddell> bambee: yes I believe so
[11:02] <allee> netw
[11:40] <Riddell> ScottK: I have a test build of kdeedu going which removes opengl and avogadro
[11:41] <Riddell> ScottK: I hae me doots about avogadro being able to work with openGLES, there's no mention of it in the source
[11:42] <Riddell> ScottK: I also have a build of koffice half done which got killed by broken buildds, retrying it now
[11:53] <droidslayer> So ... Flipping ... Hot
[11:54] <droidslayer> Riddell: did you get to ride in a auto 
[11:54] <droidslayer> ?
[11:56] <Riddell> no, I never did :(
[11:57] <ScottK> Riddell: My koffice build failed with http://paste.kde.org/8315/ - Suggestions welcome.
[11:58] <ScottK> The failed build is in /var/cache/pbuilder/build//32544 on my arm box if looking at the remains helps.
[11:59]  * tazz waves at Mamarok 
[12:00] <tazz> Riddell, you want a diaspora invite ?
[12:00] <Mamarok> tazz: hey :)
[12:00]  * Mamarok also has invites for Diaspora
[12:04] <nigelb> shadeslayer: darn, I didn't give Riddell and nerve wrecking bike journey through bangalore traffic
[12:04] <yofel> droidslayer: no idea, but I can open 8080 if you need it
[12:15] <Riddell> ScottK: this fixes it http://paste.kde.org/8317/
[12:15] <Riddell> tazz: hmm, this sounds like yet another social network thing
[12:16] <tazz> Riddell, it is, it is...
[12:23] <Riddell> I'll pass for now, I have an invite tollerance of a dozen on new social networks
[12:24] <Riddell> ScottK: kdeedu if failing due to separate multiarch breakage anyway :(
[13:30] <droidslayer> yofel: nah ... Setup a proper server in the lab
[13:33] <yofel> k
[13:47] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.  Trying.
[13:50] <ScottK> Riddell: Avogadro accepted.
[13:51] <Riddell> ScottK: kdebase-workspace on its way too for mobile love
[13:52] <ScottK> Cool.
[14:17] <ScottK> Riddell: That's in too.
[14:29] <c2tarun> sorry I got disconnected, :( did anyone reply to my query?
[14:30] <Riddell> what was your query?
[14:30] <c2tarun> how do kde-developers work? I mean what work do they do?
[14:30] <c2tarun> Riddell: ^
[14:31] <Riddell> what work do they do within KDE or for their jobs?  it rather depends on the individual in either case
[14:32] <c2tarun> Riddell: within KDE
[14:34] <c2tarun> Riddell: I mean what kind of development work is going on in KDE and how can anyone participate in it?
[14:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: any particular features that you would like to see in KDE Telepathy? 
[14:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it should be able to connect to facebook and google talk without having to case what XMPP is
[14:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: something more substantial ... :D
[14:40] <Riddell> c2tarun: typically each part of KDE has a mailing list, irc channel, bug tracker on bugs.kde.org etc
[14:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it should use the message indicator
[14:40] <c2tarun> Riddell: so are there any online project work going on for kde or its just bug fixing?
[14:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: would that qualify for 3 months of work?
[14:41] <Riddell> unlikely
[14:41] <shadeslayer> hmmm ... what else
[14:42] <Riddell> gobby type collaboration between all applications via telepathy
[14:51] <c2tarun> Riddell: to work on any lets say this https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=269353 how should I start?
[15:02] <bambee> c2tarun: 1) install debugging symbols 2) try to reproduce the crash (the same crash not another) 3) download the code (apt-get source) 4) try to understand the issue
[16:22] <dantti> does someone knows what happened to systray apps that don't get the theme?
[16:24] <Riddell> dantti: if they don't get the plasma theme artwork they fall back to the normal icon
[16:31] <dantti> Riddell: hey :) no, I'm speaking of oxygen theme, when you open it it' gets no theme
[16:32] <dantti> more specifficaly kpk (I couldn't find another app with that problem)
[16:32] <seiflotfy> we will rock KDE 
[16:32] <seiflotfy> hehehe
[16:33] <dantti> Riddell: btw as soon as I finish some personal stuff I'll try to release Apper (too bad that it's too late for 11.04)
[16:33] <bambee> Riddell: libqzeitgeist is tagged , jpwhiting is actually creating a tarball and the library has a fixed soname now
[16:34] <dantti> Riddell: taking care of two kids is much more work than I imagined :P
[16:40] <Daskreech> Riddell: should that install KDE page stay on the wiki?
[16:43] <Quintasan> qzeitgeist?
[16:43] <Quintasan> Why would I want GNOME in my KDE
[16:45] <Daskreech> zeitgeist isn't technically GNOMe
[16:45] <Daskreech> Like akonadi isn'ttechnically KDE
[16:45] <Quintasan> Oh, I thought Zeitgeist is some GNOME-ish black magic
[16:46] <Quintasan> Daskreech: and it (Zeitgeist) won't pull half of GNOME as dependencies?
[16:46] <Daskreech> Other way around
[16:46] <Daskreech> Half of GNOME pulls Zeitgeist
[16:51] <Quintasan> okay
[16:51] <Quintasan> I was afraid I would have to install half of GNOME to have Zeitgeist
[16:51] <apachelogger> Daskreech: akonadi isn't KDE
[16:51] <apachelogger> in fact it was supposed to be fdo
[16:51] <Daskreech> apachelogger: I just said that
[16:51] <apachelogger> but they rejected it
[16:52] <apachelogger> them bstrds
[16:52] <Daskreech> Cause it didn't have a GNOME implementation as I recall
[16:52] <apachelogger> nah, cause it all goes to crapz
[16:53] <seiflotfy> Quintasan, zeitgeist has NO GNOME dependency
[16:53] <Riddell> Daskreech: yes I think so but it should be updated 
[16:53] <ct529> hi everybody, I have a serious problem here .... when you maximise / minimise konsole the entire desktop freezes .... 10.10 64 bit with kde 4.6.1 same problem with kde 4.6.0
[16:54] <Daskreech> Riddell: is there an equivalent for less than full KDE since KDE4 ?
[16:54] <ct529> I have tried to debug, but unsuccessfull ....
[16:54] <ct529> anyone heard of it? what should I do?
[16:54] <Riddell> dantti: I seem to remember from looking at the code that it's non-trivial to apply the oxygen systray theme to icons, by default it'll just open the normal icon you specify
[16:54] <Riddell> by non trivial I mean it has to use locate() and whatnot
[16:55] <Riddell> Daskreech: kde-plasma-desktop
[16:55] <Riddell> or -netbook
[16:55] <Riddell> ct529: I've not heard of that issue
[16:56] <ct529> Riddell: I have done a bit of googling and the issue seems to be discussed
[16:56] <ct529> Riddell: the machine is quite performant, cannto be due to the hw
[16:57] <ct529> Riddell: also gnome or lxde or openbox do not have the same problem
[16:59] <jussi> ct529: is it only console
[16:59] <jussi> ? 
[17:01] <ct529> jussi: yes
[17:01] <dantti> Riddell: no, I expressed myself badly, what I'm trying to say is this -> http://wstaw.org/m/2011/03/28/plasma-desktopOD1804.jpg
[17:01] <Riddell> dantti: what's the issue there?
[17:03] <dantti> Riddell: the widget theme?
[17:03] <Daskreech> Riddell: KDE has been replaced with kde-full ?
[17:04] <Riddell> Daskreech: look in meta-kde
[17:04] <Riddell> dantti: oh aye, that's ugly
[17:05] <Daskreech> What's meta-kde ?
[17:05] <dantti> Riddell: yes it is, it happened after 4.6
[17:05] <Daskreech> apachelogger: I guess you can answer that :)
[17:05] <Riddell> Daskreech: the source package from debian for various meta packages for kde
[17:05] <Daskreech> ah
[17:05] <Daskreech> ok
[17:05] <Daskreech> source
[17:05] <Daskreech> hmm 
[17:06] <ct529> jussi: actually, it is only konsole .... it does not happen on other konsoles
[17:06] <ct529> jussi: sorry, consoles :-D
[17:06] <dantti> Riddell: on maverick when you click on the update icon it opend the whole select update ui whitout a theme, now that i'm on natty only when I click to see a transaction running from the tray...
[17:06]  * jussi really now has no idea, thought maybe a graphics driver bug.
[17:06] <Riddell> dantti: I don't have that problem on my install, or on today's daily live CD
[17:06] <dantti> something between 4.6.0 and 4.6.1 broke this
[17:07] <dantti> Riddell: have you tried to open a running transaction from the tray icon?
[17:08] <Riddell> dantti: hmm, yes
[17:08] <Riddell> that does have the problem
[17:08] <Riddell> weird
[17:08] <dantti> Riddell: and here we have a lp bug :P https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/707916
[17:09] <dantti> Riddell: the fix half fix things... weird
[17:13] <Riddell> KDE uses adds a line that points to its plugins so Qt only apps can find the oxygen widget theme
[17:13] <Riddell> maybe that broke
[17:15] <Daskreech> ct529: is it only on 64 bit installs?
[17:16] <ct529> Daskreech: have no idea I only have 64 bits
[17:18] <ct529> one of the difficulties is that there is no dbg package for konsole
[17:19] <Riddell> it's kdebase-dbg but probably the problem is in X
[17:20] <debfx> dantti: this commit might fix the issue: http://quickgit.kde.org/index.php?p=kdelibs.git&a=commitdiff&h=979a19afe93d1e4a5be684c1139b6ab242e6b9b6
[17:20] <ct529> thanks Riddell
[17:21] <ScottK> mgraesslin: re your blog post: Don't forget about the appmenu work that agateau has done.  I believe the needed Qt changes will be upstream in 4.8.  http://skitterman.wordpress.com/2010/07/08/global-menu-in-action-in-kubuntu-maverick/
[17:21] <ct529> Riddell: I have kdebase-dbg installed but I cannot get any debugging output
[17:21] <ScottK> It sounds somewhat similar.
[17:22] <mgraesslin> ScottK: that's exactly what I had in mind :-)
[17:22] <dantti> debfx: hmm probably, will that be on natty?
[17:25] <Riddell> dantti: should be 4.6.2 is due to be tagged this week
[17:27] <dantti> Riddell: k, nice :)
[17:30] <ct529> would the xorg.log be any useful?
[17:31] <ct529> in case the bug is connected the X rather than konsole?
[17:32] <Daskreech> ~/.xsession-errors might help as well
[17:32] <m4n1sh> Riddell: ping
[17:32] <Riddell> hello m4n1sh 
[17:32] <Riddell> ct529: probably gdb backtrace of X more likely
[17:33] <m4n1sh> you peopled asked for libqzeitgeist tarball. Right?
[17:33] <ct529> Riddell: ok
[17:33] <ct529> Riddell: how do I generate it?
[17:33] <Riddell> m4n1sh: we did
[17:34] <m4n1sh> Riddell: shall I mail it to you?
[17:34] <Riddell> ct529: that I don't know I'm afraid, you'd need to ask X people such as in #ubuntu-x
[17:34] <Riddell> m4n1sh: it should be released to the public
[17:34] <m4n1sh> yeah, we are waiting for the webmaster to be online
[17:35] <m4n1sh> who has access to the server
[17:35] <m4n1sh> Riddell: in this case what URL pattern you want for watch file?
[17:36] <Riddell> m4n1sh: qzeitgeist-A.B.C.tar.bz2 ?
[17:36] <m4n1sh> I mean the URL how it should look like?
[17:37] <m4n1sh> since we have many  other components too
[17:37] <m4n1sh> so have to keep them structured in directory
[17:37] <Riddell> zeitgeist.org.uk/download/qzeitgeist/qzeitgeist-A.B.C.tar.bz2 ?
[17:37] <Riddell> I don't think it matters much as long as it's consistent
[17:38] <m4n1sh> thanks. :)
[17:40] <Daskreech> Riddell: should I recommend kpackagekit or muon ?
[17:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: does anything use the phonon zeitgeist integration?
[17:40] <apachelogger> no
[17:40] <Riddell> Daskreech: that's up to you surely
[17:41] <apachelogger> also depends on what you mean by use ;)
[17:41] <seiflotfy> apachelogger, well a KDE SoC is up
[17:41] <seiflotfy> :)
[17:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: so no pressing reason to break feature freeze and worry about getting it on the CD presumably
[17:41] <Daskreech> Riddell: ok better question is Muon up for discussion as a viable replacement for kpackagekit?
[17:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: nope
[17:41] <seiflotfy> and it will be a journal for plasma
[17:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: 4.5 wants to get a feature freeze break though ;)
[17:41] <apachelogger> as phonon-gst is soon coming out and it will depend on 4.5
[17:42] <Riddell> Daskreech: I've heard jonathan saying it might be
[17:42] <Daskreech> I'll put both :)
[17:51] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: yo, it's beta time, do we have any beta documentation?
[17:52] <DarkwingDuck> We will by the first.
[17:52] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: ^^
[17:53] <DarkwingDuck> We've had two deaths in the family this month so I'm about a week behind but, I'll catch us up.
[17:54] <Daskreech> DarkwingDuck: Sorry to hear
[17:54] <DarkwingDuck> :) It's okay
[17:55] <DarkwingDuck> But, now that I'm home I can work on this.
[17:56] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: groovy, thanks for looking after it, let me know when it's good to package
[17:57] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: when is beta1 release?
[17:57]  * DarkwingDuck forgot about the beta release... I was shooting for the doc freeze on the 7th
[17:57] <Riddell> Thursday
[17:57] <DarkwingDuck> Bugger... Okay
[17:57] <Riddell> well don't worry if it's not in beta, it usually isn't
[17:57] <Riddell> doc freeze is the important one indeed
[17:57] <DarkwingDuck> It will be for 11.10
[17:57] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[17:57] <DarkwingDuck> and 11.04 will be done for doc freeze for sure.
[18:13] <Riddell> bambee: m4n1sh has the tar
[18:13] <m4n1sh> yeah
[18:13] <m4n1sh> am uploading it on the releases server
[18:13] <bambee> m4n1sh: great :)
[18:13] <bambee> thanks !
[18:14] <Riddell> nixternal: what can you tell us about the ktorrent bug you were mentioning?  we should decide on syncing from debian or not
[18:14] <m4n1sh> dammit.. 403 publicly.. I need to catch the webadmin again
[18:14] <Daskreech> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE Can someone once over for mistakes
[18:18] <Riddell> hi sheytan, are you able to do a release graphic for kubuntu.org front page? (still a month to go but best to be prepared)
[18:19] <Riddell> Daskreech: thanks!  the first line should probably be changed to be compliant with KDE's branding
[18:20] <Riddell> so probably "Installing KDE's Plasma Desktop and Applications"
[18:20] <Daskreech> I just put software compilation
[18:23] <bambee> obex-data-server has been uploaded on revu (synced with trunk)
[18:27] <c2tarun> bambee: ping
[18:27] <bambee> c2tarun: pong
[18:28] <c2tarun> bambee: hi, sorry I was out for a while, what do you mean by debugging symbols?
[18:29] <bambee> packages which end with -dbg
[18:29] <bambee> for example libqt4-dbg
[18:29] <c2tarun> why do we use them, I dont know anything about them, is there any place I can read about them?
[18:31] <bambee> debugging symbol are additional informations used by gdb with libraries and executable to get a nice backtrace with functions, variables etc.
[18:32] <c2tarun> bambee: you fixed any bug? can you please give me any link, looking on it will help me.
[18:32] <c2tarun> bambee: or, please give me link of any small crash bug.
[18:32] <bambee> what? I fixed nothing
[18:33] <c2tarun> bambee: how to do a backtrace?
[18:34] <bambee> well, ask a kde dev for a small crash. Or look for "junior" bugs 
[18:35] <c2tarun> bambee: what about backtrace? can you  please tell me how to run a backtrace?
[18:35] <bambee> c2tarun: usually when a kde application crashes a window containing the backtrace is opened
[18:36]  * bambee tries to remember its name... kcrashhandler ?
[18:36] <yofel> drkonqi
[18:38] <yofel> c2tarun: open drkonqi for now, you can manually simulate a crash with (using konsole as example):
[18:38] <yofel> start konsole, then run: kill -s SIGSEGV $(pidof konsole)
[18:39] <yofel> that'll open the crash handler
[18:39] <bambee> c2tarun: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Debugging/How_to_create_useful_crash_reports
[18:39] <yofel> if you go on developer information it will try to generate the backtrace
[18:39] <yofel> (if you have the debugging symbols installed)
[18:40] <bambee> you can also click on "install missing symbols" (something like that)
[18:42] <c2tarun> yofel: I am getting command not found for drkonqi
[18:42] <Riddell> shadeslayer: we really need a new snapshot of rekonq for this beta, the tab bar but is a killer
[18:43] <yofel> c2tarun: you can't run it by hand, it's not in the PATH - once you crash konsole it'll open by itself
[18:44] <Riddell> afiestas: do you know if there's a bug for the obex-data-server issue?
[18:45] <c2tarun> yofel: I am getting this msg Warning: Program '/bin/bash' crashed. but drkonqi is not starting.
[18:46] <yofel> c2tarun: odd, works here, can you try to crash something else like dolphin?
[18:47] <c2tarun> yofel: is SIGSEGV is for crashing anything?
[18:47] <yofel> c2tarun: SIGSEGV is a signal that's usually send out by the application on a crash (Segmentation fault)
[18:49] <c2tarun> yofel: got it :) I crashed bash last time not konsole.
[18:49] <yofel> well, at least it's one type of a crash, there are other reasons for crashes too
[18:49] <yofel> ah, ok ^^
[18:50] <c2tarun> is there anything I can read about backtracking and fixing crash bugs?
[18:51] <Riddell> c2tarun: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Debugging/Debugging_with_GDB
[18:51] <yofel> well, you'll need to know the language the application is written in to fix crash bugs, as for backtraces: for KDE drkonqi does that part usually, and for othercases read Riddells link
[18:54] <bambee> c2tarun: for example the language is python, the interpreter will generate a backtrace by itself and already know everything about the state of the program (no extra debugging symbols required) => in this case drkonqi won't be used nor gdb
[18:55] <bambee> for a program written in C++, debugging symbols are required and a backtrace generated with drkonqi or gdb is required 
[18:55] <bambee> look at techbase
[19:00] <m4n1sh> Riddell: bambee : ping
[19:00] <m4n1sh> http://releases.zeitgeist-project.com/qzeitgeist/QtZeitgeist-0.7.0.tar.bz2
[19:01] <bambee> m4n1sh: thanks :D
[19:02] <Riddell> QtZeitgeist-0.7.0/xml/org.gnome.zeitgeist.Index.xml  it's a gnome conspiracy!
[19:03] <Riddell> bambee: did you do or are you planning a feature freeze for libmygpo-qt ?
[19:03] <Riddell> would be nice to have it in even if amarok packages don't use it, just to keep the amarok devs happy
[19:04] <m4n1sh> Riddell: lolz.. 
[19:05] <sheytan> Riddell Hey dude!
[19:05] <m4n1sh> we cant change the bus address now anyway
[19:05] <Riddell> hi sheytan 
[19:05] <sheytan> Riddell sure i will make that graphics
[19:06] <sheytan> Riddell so, did you see my mockup for the installer slideshow?
[19:06] <Riddell> sheytan: no I don't think I did
[19:06] <bambee> Riddell: no I did not and yes I am planning a FFE. I am packaging libqzeitgeist (rules are done) then I will ask a FFE (and read the wiki)
[19:06] <sheytan> Riddell http://madsheytan.blogspot.com/2011/03/instalator-kubuntu-pokaz-slajdow-mockup.html
[19:07] <sheytan> Riddell please tell me if the slideshow can work as full screen?
[19:07] <bambee> Riddell: FFE for libmyqpo-qt is in my todolist :)
[19:07] <Riddell> sheytan: well it could but it needs code to do it, and currently we don't have anyone coding on the installer
[19:08] <sheytan> Riddell we sure will find someone till 11.10 :D
[19:08] <sheytan> like the mock?
[19:08] <Riddell> sheytan: yes it looks lovely
[19:09] <sheytan> Riddell this can be the best part of the installation process, so we *have* to find someone to code this :D
[19:10]  * Riddell out
[19:33] <ScottK> Riddell: koffice built on armel.  Thanks again for the patch.  Uploaded.
[19:44] <afiestas> Riddell: reported in their bugtrack, yes
[19:44] <afiestas> reported in ubuntu, dunno
[19:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ping
[19:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: pong
[19:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what does you think about rewriting kde in java?
[19:59] <apachelogger> that could be a fun gsoc project
[19:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sure, just need to support Jambi again
[19:59] <apachelogger> nah
[19:59] <ulysses> apachelogger: are you drunk again, right?
[19:59] <apachelogger> smoke it
[19:59] <shadeslayer> kdejavalibs
[19:59] <apachelogger> ulysses: no
[19:59] <shadeslayer> kdejavaworkspace
[19:59] <shadeslayer> kjavaworkspace
[19:59]  * apachelogger forgot his rum at his parent's place
[19:59] <shadeslayer> the future is here!
[19:59] <apachelogger> future++
[20:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i'm already in the future
[20:00] <apachelogger> oh, hold on, that makes it the future of the future
[20:00] <apachelogger> holy smokes
[20:00] <apachelogger> oh
[20:00] <apachelogger> ++future
[20:00] <shadeslayer> yep ^^
[20:00] <apachelogger> that would make future happen before future
[20:00] <apachelogger> now it is gettin crazy
[20:00] <apachelogger> next time related var I use in phonon will be called future and I will suffix increment it
[20:00] <apachelogger> just for the lolz of it
[20:00] <apachelogger> muhahaha
[20:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: actually phonon is an easy porting target to jahava
[20:01] <apachelogger> as it has plenty of them interfaces
[20:01] <apachelogger> and the java likes them interfaces
[20:01] <apachelogger> and I likes the javas
[20:01] <apachelogger> it is a perfect match
[20:01] <shadeslayer> javalogger
[20:01] <shadeslayer> there we go!
[20:02] <shadeslayer> javalogger and kdeslayer
[20:02] <shadeslayer> :P
[20:02] <javalogger> yeah, lets slay that kde
[20:02] <shadeslayer> i wouldn't dare change nicks to kdeslayer tho ...
[20:02] <javalogger> shadeslayer: are you a chicken?
[20:02] <shadeslayer> javalogger: i hear KDE has ninjas
[20:03] <shadeslayer> so yes
[20:03] <shadeslayer> i'm afraid for my life
[20:03] <javalogger> oh?
[20:03] <javalogger> did you ever look at a map of global kde contributors
[20:03] <javalogger> the only thing they got is bratwurst and sauerkraut
[20:03] <javalogger> although thinking about being attacked by those sounds scary too
[20:04] <javalogger> nevermind me, I am plenty of useless
[20:04]  * javalogger beings to feel like nixternal
[20:04]  * javalogger hugs nixternal
[20:04] <javalogger> nixternal: let's make kubuntu2 happen!
[20:04] <javalogger> based on darwin
[20:05] <javalogger> actually
[20:05] <javalogger> nixternal: ping
[20:05] <javalogger> DarkwingDuck: ping
[20:05] <javalogger> shadeslayer: ping
[20:05] <shadeslayer> yes
[20:05] <javalogger> just wanted to ping you
[20:06] <javalogger> shadeslayer: are you giving us phonon love for gsoc?
[20:06] <shadeslayer> kubuntu2 ... not nearly half as broken as Kubuntu1
[20:06] <shadeslayer> javalogger: might, i have 2 options in front of me right now
[20:06] <shadeslayer> i don't want to submit more than 2 applications, one is gone for telepathy kde
[20:06] <javalogger> talking about broken ... to me it feels as is X and its drivers are actually turning crappier with every release we do
[20:07] <ScottK> Good thing we're going Wayland.
[20:07] <shadeslayer> the 2 other options i have are PIM and Phonon
[20:07] <javalogger> shadeslayer: Nightrose says you can shoot out 5, then its getting silly
[20:07] <javalogger> it is the long way to way land, where ther are more ways
[20:07] <javalogger> oh my
[20:07]  * javalogger could really be drunk
[20:07] <shadeslayer> javalogger: Nightrose said 2 and 3 at most :P
[20:07] <javalogger> would be the same result
[20:07] <shadeslayer> javalogger: re write X in Java
[20:07] <shadeslayer> now *that* would be fun
[20:07] <javalogger> shadeslayer: right, Nightrose probably said that and I read 5 as I wanted to read 5
[20:08] <javalogger> makes sense in a way
[20:08] <Nightrose> -.-
[20:08]  * javalogger thought about doing a gsocy thing for other distributions
[20:08] <javalogger> cultural exchange and what not
[20:08] <shadeslayer> javalogger: go break them other distros
[20:08] <shadeslayer> then we can have world domination 
[20:08] <javalogger> Nightrose: it is because you never talk to me, so I start to forget how to listen........
[20:09] <javalogger> shadeslayer: making other things suck does not make our thing better.....
[20:09]  * bambee is blind he did read "java"
[20:09] <shadeslayer> true that
[20:09]  * javalogger is a jahava witness
[20:09] <shadeslayer> LOL
[20:10] <javalogger> also I got mail
[20:10] <bambee> new throw BloodInMyEyesException();
[20:10]  * javalogger consults the mail robot about the content of the mail
[20:10]  * Nightrose hugs javalogger
[20:10] <javalogger> ah, I must conduct a review
[20:10]  * javalogger has no clue how that works
[20:10]  * javalogger uberhugs Nightrose meanwhile
[20:11] <javalogger> shadeslayer: can you please conduct a review and tell me what to write?
[20:11] <shadeslayer> javalogger: /kick javalogger
[20:11] <javalogger> lolwut?
[20:13] <javalogger> my phonon made sounds, what is going on here :O
[20:13] <javalogger> oh, highlight0ring
[20:13]  * javalogger tells shadeslayer to review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kcm-grub2
[20:13]  * javalogger also tells bambee to review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kcm-grub2
[20:14] <bambee> Riddell: is it enough for a FFE ? http://paste.ubuntu.com/586584/
[20:14] <bambee> (I mean except my english... :P)
[20:14] <javalogger> bambee: it doesnt really cover *why* we want it, does it?
[20:15] <javalogger> I mean, from a makes-users-happy perspective
[20:15] <bambee> javalogger: ohhh...
[20:15] <javalogger> though generally it should suffice, just saying ^^
[20:15] <javalogger> also you are supposed to do a review :P
[20:16] <bambee> if a user wants to use the new gpodder service in amarok... :)
[20:16] <javalogger> yeah, but what is the benefit
[20:16] <javalogger> users can then become unicorns and barf rainbows
[20:16] <javalogger> or some such
[20:17] <bambee> the benefit is : manage and use your podcasts via amarok ?
[20:18] <DarkwingDuck> javalogger: pong
[20:18] <javalogger> DarkwingDuck: I want to make khelpcenter a porn viewer, erm, better tool, any suggestions?
[20:18] <javalogger> or things that you do not like about the current thing?
[20:19] <javalogger> or things that you do not like about shadeslayer? we could reimplement him in java maybe :///
[20:19] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[20:19] <shadeslayer> oh noes
[20:19] <DarkwingDuck> javalogger: I would like to see mallard intergration in khelpcenter
[20:19] <DarkwingDuck> javalogger: also, th icon for Kubuntu help docs is the wrong branding
[20:20] <javalogger> DarkwingDuck: I was thinking in a larger scale than wrong branding :)
[20:20] <javalogger> whole remake of user experience
[20:20] <DarkwingDuck> javalogger: Lemme think about that for a minute...
[20:20] <javalogger> bring in new stuff ... like integration with online help resources such as the kde userbase and stuff
[20:21] <DarkwingDuck> javalogger: Yeah. Let me think about it.
[20:21] <javalogger> probably with the ultimate goal to have khc turn into your one stop service to get your system be less crappy
[20:21] <javalogger> wow that sentence was cool Oo
[20:21] <DarkwingDuck> I would like that idea...
[20:21]  * javalogger really needs to lay off the caffaine
[20:21] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[20:21] <DarkwingDuck> BIAB
[20:21] <DarkwingDuck> *BBIAB
[20:24] <javalogger> shadeslayer: we could rewrite kubotu in java
[20:24] <javalogger> kubotu: hi
[20:24] <bambee> done bug 744512
[20:24] <kubotu> hey javalogger :)
[20:25] <shadeslayer> not the bot!
[20:25] <shadeslayer> javalogger: spare the bot
[20:25] <shadeslayer> take Quintasan instead
[20:26] <javalogger> hmmm
[20:26] <javalogger> polish java
[20:26] <javalogger> that could work
[20:26] <javalogger> opens up a whole new market I suppose
[20:27] <shadeslayer> javalogger: debian/patches/debian-changes-0.3.0-0ubuntu1
[20:27] <shadeslayer> that looks ... bad
[20:27] <javalogger> righto
[20:27] <javalogger> same thought here
[20:28] <shadeslayer> javalogger: License: GPL-3+
[20:28] <shadeslayer> er .. GPL 3+ ?
[20:28] <shadeslayer> do we have that license?
[20:28] <shadeslayer> i just see GPL 3
[20:29] <shadeslayer> and no copyright for debian/* files
[20:29] <javalogger>  * Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or (at your option)   *
[20:29] <javalogger>  * any later version.                                                          *
[20:29] <bambee> change it to GPL-3 nop ?
[20:29]  * yofel understands that as gpl version 3 and greater
[20:29] <shadeslayer> wrong email address
[20:29] <javalogger> shadeslayer: sure, the copyright is just the messed up
[20:29] <shadeslayer> Copyright: 2011 Jonathan Kolberg <jonathan@unknown>
[20:29] <javalogger> well
[20:29] <shadeslayer> unknown .... :D
[20:29] <javalogger> a bit out of order one might say
[20:29] <shadeslayer> yep
[20:29] <javalogger> shadeslayer: well, maybe it is unkown ^^
[20:30] <javalogger> shadeslayer: please comment your findings when you are done
[20:30] <shadeslayer> will do
[20:31] <bambee> also ChangeLog and README could be packaged nop ?
[20:31] <bambee> an upstream changelog is always useful, imho
[20:31] <shadeslayer> i think dh takes care of it
[20:31] <shadeslayer> not entirely sure on that
[20:32] <bambee> ah...
[20:32] <javalogger> if the stuffz is named appropriately that is
[20:32] <shadeslayer> righto
[20:32] <bambee> ok
[20:34] <shadeslayer> javalogger: done
[20:35] <javalogger> shadeslayer: you neeed to be more evil
[20:35] <bambee> and what about install files ?
[20:35] <javalogger> bambee: anything you want to add to shadeslayer's findings?
[20:37] <bambee> wow... automatically installed by dh ? o_O
[20:38] <shadeslayer> bambee: isn't perl awesome :P
[20:39] <javalogger> I once had a perl
[20:39] <javalogger> I lost it in a cup of steaming hot coffee
[20:39] <bambee> no seriously ? it rocks... 
[20:39] <javalogger> eventually it came out as a bean
[20:41] <javalogger> bambee, shadeslayer: that has little to do with perl than with how the general magic there works
[20:41] <javalogger> if you only have one binary package listed everything gets installed into debian/nameofbinarypackage thus eliminating the manual selection of what is to be installed, as the general assumption is that everything needs to be installed
[20:42] <javalogger> if you have >1 binary package it will install to debian/tmp so you need to manually sort out what goes where
[20:42] <bambee> interesting...
[20:49] <javalogger> bambee: so, anything you got to add for the review?
[20:50] <bambee> javalogger: not really..
[20:51] <javalogger> fair enough
[20:51] <bambee> except debian/copyright the rest looks ok...
[20:51] <javalogger> who knows my launchpad password?
[20:51] <javalogger> cause I don't
[20:51] <bambee> lol
[21:00] <javalogger> shadeslayer, bambee: someone should learn how to be a PITA reviewer :P
[21:01] <bambee> javalogger: what is it ? :P
[21:01] <javalogger> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kcm-grub2
[21:01] <javalogger> you missed half the stuff 
[21:02] <shadeslayer> oh boi
[21:02] <bambee> arrf
[21:03] <bambee> epic fail xD
[21:04] <javalogger> oh
[21:04] <javalogger> I also forgot something
[21:05]  * javalogger is getting old
[21:05] <javalogger> can't even remember 7 things for 5 minutes anymore
[21:10] <bambee> javalogger: by the way you've not something to review on reviewboard.kde.org ? :P
[21:10] <javalogger> me?
[21:10] <javalogger> how would I know
[21:10] <javalogger> *shrug*
[21:11] <javalogger> no one ever tells me things
[21:11] <bambee> I assigned the review to you and markey
[21:11] <javalogger> ah
[21:11] <bambee> it's a trivial fix
[21:11] <javalogger> that spews out mails
[21:11] <javalogger> I only read mails once a month
[21:11] <bambee> aaah
[21:11] <bambee> xD
[21:11] <javalogger> and only 5 of them
[21:11] <javalogger> I have a bit of a pile of unread mails
[21:12] <bambee> when I test the gpodder service in amarok it displays a "no such slot" error
[21:12] <bambee> there are just two lines to change
[21:13] <javalogger> well
[21:13] <javalogger> bambee: I dont think markey nor me should be the ones reviewing it
[21:13] <bambee> there are just two lines
[21:13] <javalogger> especially not me since I have no clue of amaroks source whatsoever
[21:13] <bambee> you're not an amarok dev ? o_O
[21:14] <javalogger> no
[21:14] <javalogger> I am professional alcoholic
[21:14] <javalogger> and jahava witness
[21:14] <javalogger> sort of goes hand in hand
[21:42] <Riddell> ScottK: mind and commit koffice to bzr
[21:42] <ScottK> Oh.  SUre.
[21:43] <ScottK> Riddell: Where?  Nothing listed in debian/control.
[21:43] <Riddell> bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/koffice/ubuntu
[21:43] <ScottK> OK.
[21:43] <Riddell> if it's not in debian/control just add it
[21:49] <ScottK> Riddell: Done, including adding the missing patch from the last upload.
[21:51] <Riddell> thanks :)
[21:52] <Riddell> kdeedu is still compiling in the ppa here
[22:39] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[22:39] <_Groo_> to anyone interested, im currently finishing the tomahawk package, complete with libecho and libjreen support
[22:40] <_Groo_> ill be on vacancies starting 4th of april
[22:40] <_Groo_> so i would like to know if its possible to use these 2 weeks to update several packages i have in my backlog which i maintain for nauty, specially kx11grab and wally
[22:41] <_Groo_> and add me as the tomahawk maintainer if no else is available
[22:52] <Riddell> _Groo_: what is tomahawk?
[22:52] <Riddell> _Groo_: we're in feature freeze now so bugfixes are good, anything with new features needs an exception
[22:53] <_Groo_> Riddell: http://tomahawk-player.org/home
[22:53] <_Groo_> it could go to universe or multiverse i guess
[22:56] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: no thoughts on bug 515138 ?
[22:57] <Riddell> _Groo_: ah, muesli's new app, groovy
[22:57] <ScottK> Looks like it's assigned to the wrong package to start with.
[22:57] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: nope. The distupgrade module mentioned in comment 13 isn't compiled, so it can't be that
[22:58] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: oh well, presumably we should upload k-n-h after beta freeze anyway
[22:58] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[23:02] <skaet> Riddell, are the changes for Beta1 going to be put at: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/NattyNarwhal/Beta1/Kubuntu?
[23:02] <seiflotfy> Riddell, we have a released libqzeitgeist now
[23:03] <seiflotfy> http://releases.zeitgeist-project.com/qzeitgeist/
[23:08] <_Groo_> seiflotfy: do we have a ppa yet? im compiling phonon with it for now
[23:26] <_Groo_> have you guys seen this before? im compiling clucene from master : CMake Error: The source directory "/home/groo/dev/tomahawk/clucene-HEAD-5e87a29/--disable-dependency-tracking" does not exist.
[23:30] <ScottK> You might be missing a space before --disable-dependency-tracking in your makefile or debian/rules.
[23:31] <_Groo_> ScottK: k, let me check
[23:48] <_Groo_> ScottK: it was a borked cmake file