[00:16] woooooooow IRC iS Alive ^^ [00:45] somewhat [00:45] s0phie: Hi [00:45] S74rk7: What's up? === chrisf is now known as Guest97664 === root__ is now known as eamon [01:42] Hello everyone [01:43] I have my new desktop connected via HDMI, but I can't seem to get audio. [01:43] pavucontrol shows audio is being received from sources (YouTube, VLC, etc), but nothing is being output to the TV [01:49] * James147 suggest checking alsamixer for muted channels [01:50] Nothing muted [01:52] Daskreech: apologies on the late reply not long back, was out for a while there...left laptop turned on :) [01:52] No problem [01:52] Daskreech: Hows things? [01:54] Pretty good [01:56] Daskreech: quiet on here tonight isn't it [01:57] Yeah it's like that unless it's release time [01:57] then it's nuts [01:57] ahhh... so does quiet more or less mean everybodies happy? lol [01:58] Hi I didn't read any of the release notes but I heard there was new stuff partly uploaded to the servers and I upgraded and now nothing works and I'm by a friends house on Windows how do I fix everything I don't know what's wrong [01:58] Depends on if you are cynical or not :) [01:59] lol - interesting point [02:01] I'm planning a hard drive upgrade... and I'm trying to figure weather to keep Windows8 on it or not.. lol [02:01] I haven't booted into windows in about a month now.... [02:01] Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [02:01] We are not allowed to talk about Warez here [02:01] huh? [02:02] Oh ... haha not windows 8 ... lol I meant windows7 lol [02:02] I knew I missed it on the numpad.... lol [02:02] S74rk7: :D if you not using it then why keep it? [02:02] sorry typo... lol [02:02] S74rk7: you will only have to go through the bother of reactivating windows ^^ [02:04] lol and the 4hours by the time I get all the updates installed from microsoft [02:06] S74rk7: yup :) and for what? not using it for another month or more? may as well reinstall it when... i mean if, you need it again [02:06] ^^ and then I would try a vm first :) [02:06] nah but I've got a collection of software I use for repairing laptops, projects etc... and the last time I used it was to update an ipod I was trying out... [02:06] I had a quick look around for a linux alternative to itunes but - no joy [02:07] S74rk7: amarok? [02:07] really? [02:07] ^^ it can or should be able to handel most of the i stuff [02:07] S74rk7, why would you want that? :) but yes, amarok, banshee, rhythmbox [02:07] S74rk7, last two being gtk [02:07] and gets better support for istuff with each release [02:08] * James147 cant wat for amarok to support transcoding when coping to a device :D [02:08] is there anything not support on linux? [02:09] lol [02:09] ^^ thats the one thing i miss from the old version :( [02:09] S74rk7: :) we support our selves as best we can... [02:09] though sometimes slower then windows since we have to backengener allot of stuff ^^ like the istuff [02:10] James147: Thanks for the info on amarok :) [02:10] ^^ you may or may not need a paskage for the ipod support... though i think kubuntu will have installed everything you need [02:10] package :P [02:11] I use amorak as my mp3 player... the way it shows the lyrics in the middle by default is cool [02:12] * James147 remembers the days when everyone was throwing a hissy fit over that ^^ [02:12] I just never thought to actually try it.. :) [02:13] I looked online for like "itunes linux alternative" and was getting tutorials on how to setup an older version of itunes with wine and all that [02:14] S74rk7, why do you want an itunes like program for music? I'm curious [02:14] James147: There is plugin for transcoding from Amarok as I recall [02:14] I dont 'want' itunes [02:15] Daskreech: from? I know amarok 1.4 had one, and amarok 2 can do it when copying to the local colection (with promise of a future release suppoting it when copying to a device) [02:15] I just didnt have the time then to learn how to configure wine and everything... it was the quicker option [02:16] S74rk7: i find its better to search for what you want rather then what you thing you need ^^ ie "ipod sync" rather then "itunes clone" [02:16] the only "itunes" I need is my directory structure [02:16] I was busy trying to figure out how to get my sound directed through my HDMI port to the the tv n all that [02:16] James147: thats makes sense :) [02:17] S74rk7: ^^ "ipod sync ubuntu" give: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iPod :) [02:19] James147: hmmm...thats bookmarked - thanks dude [02:20] S74rk7: dont really need to do that :) it just points to banshee amarok and gtkpod with the possibaility to run itunes in wine if you want :) [02:20] S74rk7: what version of amarok are you using? [02:21] Amarok [02:21] Version 2.3.2 [02:21] Using KDE 4.5.1 (KDE 4.5.1) [02:22] S74rk7: ^^ if you have trouble syncing your ipod then try upgrading to 2.4 (with kde4.6) [02:22] the last time I was playing around and adding ppa's to my repos n stuff... I found some for amarok...but they were "backports" of some kind and I managed to kill kubuntu on myself lol [02:23] * James147 suggests doing that anyway :) kde make allot of improvments with each release :D... though natty should be comming soonish [02:23] :S [02:23] Like... a lot [02:24] by kill I mean... my desktop was going crazy...if/when it did load... and this kind of thing still a beyond my knowledge of linux for me to repair so that ended in a format and reinstall lol [02:24] S74rk7: you us these ones: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.6.1 ? [02:24] 4.5 -> 4.6 was probably the smallest jump and it still took me like 15 minutes of reading through it and learning 3 new things I didn't know though I was in the betas [02:24] Daskreech, which is good or bad? :) [02:25] Which point are you talking about? [02:25] it was my own fault at the time.. I was playing around pushing buttons to see what happens in linux lol [02:25] Daskreech, 15 minutes and 3 new things [02:25] guess I still am.. [02:25] S74rk7: and you should never stop :D ... just learn how to fix the stuff the buttons break [02:26] Daskreech: I find kde 4.6 better orginised the 4.5 ^^ though it is anoying at first [02:26] ohh dont worry... thats my intention :) [02:26] lol [02:26] quant: I guess it depends takes me maybe 3 minutes to go through a GNOME release on what's new and of course it's all new since I don't use it but like once every 4 releases they have something interesting [02:27] * quant is playing with kde 4.4.5 packages on debian squeeze at the moment [02:27] Daskreech: yeah, but gnome dosnt have half as many options as kde... [02:27] quant: Course for some people that's why they use GNOME. it very rarely changes where as KDE always has this mad flurry [02:27] quant: 4.4... thats sooo old now :p [02:27] James147: or 1/4 [02:27] James147, and stable ;-) [02:27] quant: :p i would say 4.5 is more stable [02:27] Daskreech, yup, true [02:28] hey does ubuntu/kubuntu 10.10 livedvd contain grub1 (i want to use grub-install command)? [02:28] ^^ at least the later versions [02:28] James147, don't doubt the stability of debian packages in debian stable ;-) [02:28] James147: People upgrade to the last release [02:28] So upgrade from KDE 4.4.5 to KDE 4.5.5 [02:29] to KDE 4.6.5 Etc [02:29] Daskreech, its not even in unstable yet [02:29] Daskreech, ah, sorry, thought that was directed at me [02:29] quant: Well yeah I'm actually impressed that Debian has 4.4.5 :) [02:29] Daskreech: but isnt 4.5.5 out? so why use 4.4.5? [02:29] Daskreech, true... [02:30] ^^ except that debian takes forever to upgrade anythign [02:30] James147: he did say Debian. I presume that you haven't used Debian [02:30] James147, I'll give you a link about debian releases [02:30] It has older Software than Redhat which has some really old rubbish [02:30] Daskreech: I know about it :) dare not use it though... far to stable for my needs [02:30] James147, http://www.debian.org/releases/ [02:31] Daskreech: dont get my started on redhat ^^ our uni uses it on their linux boxes :( [02:32] thankfully they are moving to ubuntu :D [02:32] is redhat not a good distro? [02:32] sorry ---regarded as a decent distro :) [02:32] S74rk7, it's all fine [02:32] S74rk7: horrific... well, version 5 was ^^ 6 is ment to be better [02:32] why whats up with it? [02:33] * James147 points out that this is from trying to use 5.5 at uni.... where their gcc version was both too new and too old :p [02:33] ^^ for somereason they had the broken version of gcc :P [02:34] Daskreech, you might be even more surprised by xfce 4.6 in current stable [02:35] * S74rk7 hears jet engines lol.... James147 dude your way over my head here, gcc - sorry dude I'm a n00b still to linux.. [02:36] S74rk7: gcc is the c compiler for linux (well, and c++) [02:36] ^^ its whats used to build most things :) [02:36] then I'll say I'll be reading up on it someday soon then :) [02:37] I wanna chop my harddrive up into loads of seperate partitions....reinstall kde... [02:37] **kububtu I mean [02:37] S74rk7: seperate partitions for what? [02:37] I want like a whole harddrive layout... [02:38] ^^ what layout you planning on? [02:38] so my home folder is on one partition... / on another [02:38] :) [02:38] one for my "media" [02:38] one encrpyted with truecrypt etc etc [02:38] hi Daskreech [02:38] i may be back later to chat a bit [02:39] have an engagement now though [02:39] S74rk7: fair enough :) ^^ i suggest using a swap file rather then partitions, as they are more flexable :) [02:39] oh what reminds me - what protection do you get from an "encrypted home folder" ?? [02:40] ^^ an encrypted home folder [02:40] yes.... [02:40] meaning? [02:40] s0phie: whooo ok :) [02:40] S74rk7, home folder that can't be read from windows etc. [02:40] S74rk7: ^^ means you need a passphrase to unencrypt it [02:41] quant: I dunno :) can't decide if that's surprising or not. Isn't Xfce 4.6 like a year old? [02:41] much like true crypt [02:41] S74rk7, so they steal your computer and then they don't get access to it... [02:41] Daskreech, well, it's new enough for debian stable ;-) [02:41] Daskreech, current xfce is 4.8 - it's in experimental now [02:42] ok... so say at the minute... my harddrive has 4 partitions... [02:42] S74rk7: and anything encrypted (assuming your not using a broken algorithm) cannot be read without the key ^^ [02:43] cool :) [02:45] so if they remove my harddrive from my laptop... [02:46] S74rk7: they wont beable to read it easaly :) [02:47] they can read my windows partition etc... but my home folder which is on a seperate partition and its encrypted... and / is on another... they won't be able to read my home folder partition even if they're mounting it in linux without my password? [02:47] S74rk7, yes [02:48] quant: niice :) === peter___ is now known as driekus [02:48] S74rk7, fedora offers full disk encryption on install [02:49] so how do encrypt all my partitions... home...a media partition... etc etc === driekus is now known as pjmelon [02:49] ohhh ... I can do that in fedora? [02:49] S74rk7: well, techniclly you home partition wont be encrypted, but everything in you homefolder will be stored in an encrtpyed file, that gets mounted at login [02:49] S74rk7, pretty sure you can do it in any distro, but personally I don't know how... ask Daskreech , he knows everything! :) [02:50] * S74rk7 agrees with you lol [02:52] S74rk7: you should beable to do it on any distro [02:52] I know what i don't know :) [02:52] will it be in the options somewhere when reinstalling kubuntu you think if I dig around? [02:52] ^^ though there may be more levels of configurateion [02:52] Daskreech, that's impossible to know! :) [02:52] lol [02:52] it is possible [02:52] But you have to know how :) [02:53] S74rk7: There is an option to encrypt your home folder during installtion [02:53] Daskreech, you mean you can name everything you don't know, or you can tell, when faced by a certain thing, if you know it or not? :) [02:53] Daskreech: so do I take the red pill or the blue one? :) [02:53] (on the user setup page if i remember correctly) [02:54] * quant thinks that the fuzzy clock widget is pure awesome [02:54] James147: yeah I got that one... I was wondering though... it be possible to encryption different partitions if I mount them when installing also? [02:54] * James147 agrees [02:54] hey i have ubuntu 10.10 livecd, can i use it for the grub-install command so i can install grub1 to my system? [02:55] S74rk7: it is possible as far as I know ^^ you should be able to encrypt everything except /boot (though it might be possible to do that) [02:55] Goliath: if you lik [02:55] I think grub one might still be in the repos [02:55] S74rk7: you may want to read this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemHowto [02:55] Daskreech doesnt it use grub2? [02:55] if i do grub-install [02:56] If you have Grub2 installed [02:56] if you can install grub one it will use that [02:56] oh [02:56] Daskreech does grub2 or grub1 have different /etc/fstab files? [02:57] or they are the same [02:57] * James147 dosnt think grub uses /etc/fstab ^^ [02:57] Goliath: ? Grub doesn't even know if /etc/fstab exists [02:58] how can i install grub1 from terminal? [03:00] !info grub [03:00] grub (source: grub): GRand Unified Bootloader (Legacy version). In component main, is optional. Version 0.97-29ubuntu60 (maverick), package size 396 kB, installed size 924 kB (Only available for i386 kfreebsd-i386 hurd-i386 amd64 kfreebsd-amd64 lpia all) [03:00] !info grub2 [03:00] grub2 (source: grub2): GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (dummy package). In component universe, is extra. Version 1.98+20100804-5ubuntu3 (maverick), package size 47 kB, installed size 108 kB (Only available for i386 kfreebsd-i386 hurd-i386 kopensolaris-i386 amd64 kfreebsd-amd64 powerpc sparc mipsel) [03:00] sudo apt-get remove grub2 --purge && sudo apt-get install grub [03:00] over ubuntu they told be [03:01] its grub-legacy package [03:01] ^^ i think its grub-legacy [03:01] That will probably work [03:01] !info grub-legacy [03:01] Package grub-legacy does not exist in maverick [03:01] hmm [03:01] !find grub [03:01] Found: grub, grub-common, grub-doc, grub-efi, grub-efi-amd64, grub-efi-ia32, grub-legacy-doc, grub-legacy-ec2, grub-pc, grub-rescue-efi-amd64 (and 13 others) http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=grub&searchon=names&suite=maverick§ion=all [03:01] Or not [03:02] what --purge does btw? [03:02] try what I said [03:02] Goliath: dumps the config files. Grub won't be able to read the config files for grub2 [03:03] Daskreech ok if i do grub-install from livecd, can i install grub to another distro right? [03:03] it isnt ubuntu-specific [03:03] Almost nothing on Ubuntu is ubuntu Specific [03:04] ha ok [03:04] like 93% of it is either straight from or modified slightly from Debain [03:04] a lot of the rest is from Fedora [03:05] The stuff they build isn't often tied to Ubuntu [03:05] But in any case GRUB isn't even really tied to Linux. It can boot nearly anything that boots software [03:07] although i think it needs to be 'installed' in kubuntu for it to work ^^ [03:08] Yeah I think installing any software helps it work a lot better [03:08] Cloud not withstanding [03:11] !java [03:11] To install a Java runtime on Ubuntu on 10.04 LTS and newer, see http://tinyurl.com/2ffg7cc - For the Sun Java products and browser plugin, search for the sun-java6- packages in the !partner repository on Lucid (which must be enabled), or !multiverse repository on older releases. [03:12] !partner [03:12] Canonical's partner repositories provide packages a location for software vendors to publish applications. The repo itself can be added by running this in a !terminal: « sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ $(lsb_release -sc) partner" » [03:26] what is this? [03:27] brad_: A support channel [03:27] oh [03:28] who gives the support? [03:28] we do :) [03:28] ok I can really use it cuz im pulling my hair out [03:29] !ask | brad_ [03:29] brad_: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) [03:29] !ask [03:29] Daskreech: :D [03:30] * Daskreech shakes his Klawed Fist. I'll get you Gadget [03:30] I installed ubuntu 10.10 on my hp laptop. then tried to install kubuntu on it but it seems that it says im still running ubuntu 10.10. Also some of the kubuntu files were installed [03:31] i mean programs were installed but says im running ubuntu [03:31] brad_: the only difference between ubuntu and kubuntu is the desktop interface they use, and it is possible to install them side by side... [03:31] brad_: if you do that (which you probally did) then you should be able to choose which one you wnat to loginto at the login screen (under one of the menus) [03:31] ok cool ill look into it [03:32] the other thing is im at a hotel right now and I try to connect to the wireless internet but when I run a ping test it says there no connections [03:32] brad_: When you say it says you are running Ubuntu yuo mean the bar at startup? [03:32] ya [03:32] no [03:32] it says Kubuntu 10.10 [03:33] brad_: but you boot into gnome? [03:33] but when I check what version im running under terminal it says Ubuntu 10.10 [03:33] Ah what says you are running Ubuntu then? [03:33] how are you checking that? [03:34] what version im running? [03:34] brad_: kubuntu is just ubuntu with the kde desktop envrioment ^^ they are functionally the same otherwise and as just the commandline dosnt distinguish the difference [03:34] s/just/such/ [03:34] oh ok [03:34] thanks [03:34] brad_: At the command line level there is no difference between having KDE having GNOME or not having Any desktop at all [03:36] ok now the other issue im haveing is with my wireless card connecting to a internet connection [03:36] brad_: you are connected to the router right? [03:36] Hmm, I'm trying to install kubuntu on my netbook, it is on a flash drive bceause I do not have a cd-usb drive. It gets to the `boot loader` to pick what to do, but when I hit `install Kubuntu` it goes black and thats it. Any ideas? [03:36] I am at a hotel but yes [03:37] not my persoanl router [03:37] brad_: open a web browser and see if you get a login page when you request a web site [03:37] navatwo: try safe graphics mode [03:38] yes it does but all I have to do is check i agree and continue. I do that i get connected to the internet, but when i go to do a ping test and I use ubuntu.com for example for the test it says there is no internet connection [03:39] brad_: but your able to load webpages alright? [03:40] yes very slowly [03:40] I thought something might be wrong so i started looking into the network tools [03:41] brad_: my guess would be the router is blocking all ports but port 80 (though i dont know which ping uses) [03:41] Daskreech: no luck. :( [03:42] navatwo: what netbook? [03:42] lenovo s-10 [03:42] it has meego on it atm [03:42] s10-3* [03:42] brad_: also, i wouldnt expect great speeds from a public hot spot :) [03:43] James_: ya i know but Iv been at this hotel for almost a month now so i kinda know when the high poitns and low points are. which usually the weekend is pretty good cuz everyones out drinking [03:44] brad_: then i am not sure what else you can do :( [03:44] alright thanks [03:44] navatwo: try press F6 when that menu comes up. Press Esc to get back to the kernel boot line (at the bottom of the screen) at the very very end of that line put in intel_idle.max_cstate=0 [03:44] just tried that [03:44] doesnt seem to do much [03:45] ... if anything [03:45] tried acpi=off ? [03:46] or vga=771 [03:46] * James147 thinks it 771 at least [03:46] what does that mean? [03:47] but I haven't, no [03:47] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions [03:47] navatwo: at the end of that same line instead of the above cheat code try acpi=off [03:48] nope [03:48] doesn't boot [03:49] there's no activity on the flash drive either [03:50] it magically worked now >.< [03:50] navatwo: Does it boot elsewhere? [03:50] Yay magic!! [03:51] All Hail Gummi Berri Juice [03:51] haha [03:51] i just did the intel_idle hack lol [03:52] meego just is not efficient for doing school work, coding, etc. [03:56] not sure it was ever intended for that [03:57] You won't find any science labs running off Meego anytime soon [03:57] haha heck no [03:57] but its a netbook OS, so I gave it a shot. Also, I could not get ubuntu to boot (now I know why..) [04:00] Magic? [04:13] * S74rk7 has just discovered the plasma dashboard widget.... [04:14] added it to my panel... widgets rock [04:14] * James147 agrees [04:18] Ha :) [04:40] Ok === ubuntu is now known as handsome [05:00] whats the partion editor for kubuntu 10.10? [05:01] hey? [05:03] handsome: partitionmanager [05:11] Daskreech: whats the default admin password for kubuntu 10.10? on live cd [05:12] Thre is none [05:15] Daskreech:installed gparted on kubuntu but it was asking for admin password [05:15] handsome: Ok [05:16] As I said Partitionmanager is for KDE [05:16] shouldn't ask for a password though [05:16] sorry [05:16] wait [05:17] where can i see it? [05:19] see what? === lengau is now known as lengou === lengou is now known as lengau [05:19] partitionmanager [05:20] does it will open as i install kubuntu [05:21] umm Kinda [05:22] There is a partition editor in the installer. [05:27] ya around daskreech? [05:30] god i screwed my stuff up :( [05:55] hmm typically I do not have problems, but for some reason my fresh kubuntu install on my netbook wont connect to my router. It states its connected but cannot locate any pages. I manually added it to the dchp table using the computers mac address. [05:55] The router does not identify it as being there either [05:56] typically do not have problems with wifi** [06:02] The file file:///home/sophia/Downloads/XvidSetup.exe is an executable program. For safety it will not be started. [06:02] ? [06:03] is what chrome is telling me when i'm trying to install vlc (i think it's vlc o_O) [06:03] s0phie: run it with wine, if you know it is safe. [06:03] its not. [06:03] :P [06:03] x.x [06:03] s0phie: `sudo apt-get install vlc` [06:04] kk [06:04] :) [06:38] Daskreech:thanks im gonna reboot now im done installing kubuntu === root__ is now known as tweeterweb [08:51] is there a way to change the kde button? === root__ is now known as tweeterweb [08:54] is there a way to change the kde button? [08:56] tweeterweb: you should not use your system as root [08:58] Mamarok: its just an alias dont worry [08:59] tweeterweb: I guess you are talking about the "KDE button" in the panel, right? [08:59] that is the application launcher, right click on it, go to Application Launcher Settings and there you can change the icon [08:59] Mamarok: yeah i just installed kubuntu few hours ago [09:03] Mamarok: thanks i got it working [09:05] tweeterweb: you are welcome :) [09:17] Hello, does anybody know if the global-menu-extension (gecko apps) will be available in kubuntu? [09:21] I uninstalled Kontact, and all but about 5 of my widgets are now gone. (all default) How can I get the widgets back? [09:21] Ones that were (and are) currently in use still function perfectly, by the way. They just aren't in the menu to add them anywhere [09:22] Daviey: is it the firefox extension you are talking about or the Unity ones? [09:22] its the one developed by chris coulson i think [09:22] it will be default in unity i believe [09:23] davorao: that doesn't help [09:23] i talking about the firefox extension [09:23] i'm* [09:23] Starminn: the packages for the plasma widgets all start with "plasma-widget-" search your application installer === stephdg_ is now known as stephdg [09:24] Daviey: it's an extension for the Gnome panel AFAIK, so I don't think it applies to KDE [09:24] Mamarok: Apparently it uninstalled my package installer too. === Thorsten_ is now known as Guest9920 [09:24] Starminn: that is hardly possible... === Guest9920 is now known as TE_ [09:25] Mamarok: *shrug* Well, it's not where it was a little bit ago. [09:25] Starminn: did you try in the command line? the command is sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get upgrade [09:25] well i hoped it would since its done via dbus, and that is also implemented in agaetaus menubar for kde [09:25] thanks [09:25] davorao: why not use that one, then? [09:26] im using that, but was hoping i would be able to use it for firefox as well in kubuntu natty [09:26] via this extension [09:26] Mamarok: Interesting. ALT+F2, "Konsole" doesn't bring anything up. Uninstalled it too? Hmmm... [09:26] davorao: you should ask questions about Natty in #ubuntu+1 anyway [09:27] Starminn: you can still use the virtual shell with Ctrl+Alt+F1 [09:27] Mamarok: Very true. ;) [09:27] Starminn: didn't you check what it was going to remove before applying the change? [09:29] and no, it is very unlikely it removed krunner, it probably just crashed [09:29] Starminn: which exact KDE version is this about? [09:36] Mamarok: Good news, bad news. [09:37] Starminn: did yu see my previous question? [09:38] Mamarok: Good news, I was able to reinstall all of the lost applications (thus I assume widgets followed suit). Bad news, I was unable to resume my X session and thus needed to reboot. Upon doing so, KDE apparently uninstalled itself, as it is not available on the login screen, so I'm back ot GNOME at the moment. [09:38] Mamarok: And no, I didn't. I was stuck in virtual desktops. ;) [09:38] Virtual terminals* [09:38] Starminn: which KDE version are you talking about? [09:39] KDE 4.5.6 (or whatever the latest is. Upon request earlier today I update about 10 hours ago. [09:39] Starminn: KDE doesn't just uninstall itself, try installing the package kubuntu-desktop [09:40] Mamarok: isn't kubuntu-desktop a meta package? I'd rather not start all over from scratch again and have to customize it and delete the default apps again [09:40] Is there anything that just sets it to be available at login? [09:41] yes, it is a meta-package, and it will install eventually missing packages [09:41] :( [09:41] Fine, lol. [09:41] which login manager are you using, GDM or KDM? [09:41] GDM [09:41] try KDE, it is likely just an error in GDM of which I have heard before [09:42] KDM* [09:42] How do I switch to KDM? [09:42] install the KDM package, it will sugest to use it by default [09:42] (GDM picked it up multiple instances before) [09:42] I want GNOME to still be my default, though. I'm just trying out KDE [09:42] hi all, recently I was trying to rip a CD with soundjuicer (no good KDE ripper apps, boo), but get this error msg: Could not read the CD, Sound Juicer could not read the track listing on this CD.,Reason: Cannot access CD: The specified location is not mounted [09:42] that is not a problem [09:43] you can stiull set Gnome as default [09:43] Mamarok: Alright, what's the KDM package name? [09:43] Starminn: since you are in Gnome, just search for it in the package manager :) [09:43] Just kdm? (apt-cache search lists it as one) [09:43] Mamarok: Ah, genius [09:44] valorie: no idea, sorry, but I guess it is the HAL/Udev bug hitting again [09:44] I'd just ripped two other CDs [09:45] doesn't the CD pop up the recently connected notifier? There you should be able to open it with Dolphin [09:45] if that's it, it's being awfully picky [09:45] the others yes, this one no [09:45] yes, I know, but that's a bug, not much I can do about [09:45]