[00:42] vish: eat message style and die! http://i.imgur.com/SCrNb.png :D [05:57] sb levelclear -level clientcrap,crap,joins,parts,quits,nicks,clientnotice === steve_edwards_ is now known as steve-edwards === daker_ is now known as daker [12:40] zniavre: what is the class/widget_class for combobobox text color? [12:41] i'm able to change the bg color for the box, but just not the text :s [12:45] yay! found it! i ended up using gtkparasite on twf :D [13:01] sorry i just came nack from school [13:01] back* [14:51] * vish scratches head.. [14:51] why do people think i'm trying to remove some feature! [14:52] heh, and i wonder what customization has to do with anything that i wrote ;p [14:53] vish: that's all you are about, isn't it? vandalizing the wiki and removing their precisous features!!! [14:53] hehe! [14:55] vish: zekopeko's most recent reply on the design problem thread is most excellent, though [14:56] oh? /me checks [14:57] ha! yea, i thought i'd just ignore that reply about customizations.. [14:57] is there some site which says "FOSS is about choice" !!! [15:05] I have always had trouble swallowing zeko's argument, even when I read in the mouth of some gnome person [15:06] Islington, is there another mailing list thingy? [15:06] coz_: this is on the ayatanna list [15:06] oh? [15:06] mm [15:07] Islington it is worth subscribing to? [15:07] honestly? no [15:07] lol [15:07] a lot of circlejerking and very few actual descicions afa have seen [15:08] Islington, sounds typical mailing list stuff [15:08] The problem with the argument for me has always been that it degrades the value of customization in FOSS. [15:10] customization as a feature [15:10] Islington, shouldnt you be saying this on #ayatana as well ?? [15:11] nah just responding to vish's comments above [15:11] oh sorry ,, I will have to read scroll back [15:11] I was just before you logged in lol [15:12] *It [15:12] oops didnt have xchat opened on the other machine,, cant read scrollback,,,darn [15:13] Islington: right, customization is a feature sure, but not a must have.. , heck! even i want to customize.. :) [15:13] oo customizatioin is the issue ? [15:14] not a must have vish? Its one of the most important features that differentiates linux now [15:14] but i really dint know what anything in my reply had to do with customization [15:14] Islington, absolutely [15:14] customizing both windows/mac is incredibly tedious, but I agree its way off topic [15:15] well "customization" is sort of artsy :) [15:15] Islington: yea surely, not the way Canonical does stuff. there must be a way for things to plugin [15:15] Canonical does have a tendency to not allow easy ways to plugin and change things though.. [15:15] coz_: lol off topic to the topic on list [15:16] oh :) [15:16] vish: that particular problem is endemic to gnome [15:16] with its rejection of compiz especially [15:17] that was STUPIDITY! [15:17] gnome is a pain inthe A@@ [15:17] as far as choices / customization goes [15:17] seriously, i can not digest the fact that they blatantly rejected Compiz from even participating in GNOME Shell [15:18] their reasons were total bullcrap! [15:19] if not for compiz, i would bet GNOME would have had less than 25% of users they have now [15:19] well,, in some respects..compiz poses a threat,, in a minor way,, I was talking about compiz as a DE long ago... lately ,, I have been reading more people wanting to to actually be realized,, I doubt it will [15:20] it can be a de, with compiz-menu [15:20] well, Compiz DE is not Unity :D [15:20] s/not/now* [15:20] this is true [15:22] Islington, well compiz + cairo dock is really all you need [15:22] yay! cairo dock! [15:22] Islington, and of course kde and or gnome libraries [15:22] vish, :) I am "forced" to agree :) [15:22] I never got into cairo dock, awn was good though [15:23] Islington, oo dude,, cairo dock is far more configurable [15:23] oh yeah, I remember [15:23] coz_: DBO threw a fit when he saw me using cairo-dock! haha! ;p [15:23] Islington, the config dialog is not very far off from ccsm [15:23] vish, are you serious? [15:23] vish, why the hell would he be peeved at that? [15:24] Islington, and with nearly as many options as compiz [15:24] coz_: well, not for too long.. just that he was like : Cairo-dock is blasphemy or something similar [15:24] vish, oh man,, some developers are just nuts :) [15:26] coz_: i think he dint expect to see people actually using cairo-dock! ;) [15:26] or any dock other than Docky ;p [15:26] vish, strange,, :) [15:26] coz_: well, Docky is quite popular, and does seem to have a large user base [15:27] vish, I know ,, I have tried it,, not as nice in my opinion [15:27] but I have to be predjudiced about it :) [15:28] i actually wonder what Canonical plan is for Touch, they seem to be investing a lot of time+effort in that [15:29] vish, that touches on one of my pet peeves.. I would like a detailed listing of exactly what is "canonical's ( shuttleworth's) long term vision for ubuntu in general [15:32] i'm quite certain(which is my best guess of-course) they have someone from design team working on a touch device (or something close to it) with some device manufacturer [15:32] vish, hopefully,, touch is , again, a big thing, especially since the advent of iPad [15:33] but windows 95 had a pen tablet years ago... it never really caught on except in some busnesses/ corporate envionments [15:33] I would prefer the more accurate, pen tablet, which is generally drive by wacom [16:30] * vish wonders if i was too rude on Bug 737183 ? [16:30] Launchpad bug 737183 in humanity-icon-theme "Home folder icon should be a *folder* with the home symbol, not a home symbol" [Wishlist,Opinion] https://launchpad.net/bugs/737183 [16:33] vish, nah,, sounds right to me [16:34] *phew* , dint expect Mark to just accept it … ;) [16:34] vish, really? cool [16:34] coz_: yea, he filed that bug, and i closed it ;) [16:34] :) [18:34] For a project in our local community im creating a webchat app based on IRC (maybe/hopefully this will result in chat.ubuntu.com sometime). I made some mockups and want some feedback on this. so fire away [18:34] http://img228.imageshack.us/i/plains.png/ [18:34] http://img857.imageshack.us/i/contacts.png/ [18:34] http://img62.imageshack.us/i/topicm.png/ [18:34] http://img843.imageshack.us/i/mouseonheader.png/ [18:34] http://img199.imageshack.us/i/textinputselected.png/ [19:00] Ronnie: looks good, but i'm confused which channel is focussed there, is it ubuntu-nl or ubuntu-nl-mwanzo? [19:00] if its not the second channel, why is it underlined? [19:00] the first channel is active, the second channel has "new messages" [19:00] ah! [19:03] Ronnie: you could play with just using color/bold/italics and see how that works, to me it is a bit confusing atm [19:03] good idea, ill have a shot === daker is now known as daker_ [19:14] vish: http://oi56.tinypic.com/25kirmt.jpg [19:14] not yet what i expected [19:15] hmm, maybe with the orange color it might be better [19:15] what if i put the color on the top instead of bottom on the tab? [19:17] might work, but it would still seem like "selected" , what about just using an icon for new messages? (a color chat bubble) [19:18] http://oi56.tinypic.com/21dg710.jpg [19:19] heh, now its just barely visible :D [19:19] is possible, but could make the tabsbar make "jumpy" [19:19] you could just use the icon as a partial-overlay, [19:20] but just colored text should work IMO, most clients just do that.. or the blinking bubble [19:21] thats possibe. do you know any method to make difference between "new messages" and "new messages with your name in it" [19:21] colored tekst is also possible, but orange is very ugly on that 'grey', and i dont want to introduce more colors [19:22] * vish nods [19:22] maybe using " @ " for messages with name? [19:23] vish would you like to have the xcf file to play around with? [19:23] sure, but not right now.. :) [19:25] aargg, ubuntuone is down [19:28] vish: what about a line under the channelname, or does that look too much like a link [19:30] not sure, would need to actually see it.. :) [19:32] vish: http://www.2shared.com/file/RgpjlcGI/Visual.html <== gimp file (made with the beta, contains layer groups) [19:33] cool! will play with it.. :) [19:33] http://img834.imageshack.us/i/activetabvariations3.png/ [19:38] vish, glow - shadow should be possible too [19:39] Ronnie: ha! exactly what i was thinking right now! :) [19:39] have to go now [19:39] ill be back later [20:30] heya coz_ [20:36] darkmatter, hey guy :) watching all variation of numa numa guy :) [20:37] coz_: cool. just collecting some crap and starting a theme extravaganza. tm just slightly hacked template stuff, but whatever [20:37] http://i.imgur.com/SCrNb.png [20:38] nice [20:38] darkmatter, which client is that? [20:39] coz_: not my theme bits atm. just a "reference template" for the general mood [20:39] empathy [20:39] darkmatter, ok cool,, never used empathy [20:39] modded 'fluffy' wip from adium for the style [21:39] back