[00:42] <darkmatter> vish: eat message style and die! http://i.imgur.com/SCrNb.png :D
[05:57] <hyperair> sb levelclear -level clientcrap,crap,joins,parts,quits,nicks,clientnotice
[12:40] <vish> zniavre: what is the class/widget_class for combobobox text color?
[12:41] <vish> i'm able to change the bg color for the box, but just not the text :s
[12:45] <vish> yay! found it! i ended up using gtkparasite on twf :D
[13:01] <zniavre> sorry i just came nack from school
[13:01] <zniavre> back*
[14:51]  * vish scratches head..
[14:51] <vish> why do people think i'm trying to remove some feature!
[14:52] <vish> heh, and i wonder what customization has to do with anything that i wrote ;p
[14:53] <thorwil> vish: that's all you are about, isn't it? vandalizing the wiki and removing their precisous features!!!
[14:53] <vish> hehe!
[14:55] <thorwil> vish: zekopeko's most recent reply on the design problem thread is most excellent, though
[14:56] <vish> oh? /me checks
[14:57] <vish> ha! yea, i thought i'd just ignore that reply about customizations..
[14:57] <vish> is there some site which says "FOSS is about choice" !!!
[15:05] <Islington> I have always had trouble swallowing zeko's argument, even when I read in the mouth of some gnome person
[15:06] <coz_> Islington,  is there another mailing list thingy?
[15:06] <Islington> coz_: this is on the ayatanna list
[15:06] <coz_> oh?
[15:06] <coz_> mm
[15:07] <coz_>  Islington  it is worth subscribing to?
[15:07] <Islington> honestly? no
[15:07] <coz_> lol
[15:07] <Islington> a lot of circlejerking and very few actual descicions afa have seen
[15:08] <coz_> Islington,  sounds typical mailing list stuff
[15:08] <Islington> The problem with the argument for me has always been that it degrades the value of customization in FOSS.
[15:10] <Islington> customization as a feature
[15:10] <coz_> Islington,  shouldnt you be saying this on #ayatana as well ??
[15:11] <Islington> nah just responding to vish's comments above
[15:11] <coz_> oh sorry ,, I will have to read scroll back
[15:11] <Islington> I was just before you logged in lol
[15:12] <Islington> *It
[15:12] <coz_> oops  didnt have xchat opened on the other machine,, cant read scrollback,,,darn
[15:13] <vish> Islington: right, customization is a feature sure, but not a must have.. , heck! even i want to customize.. :)
[15:13] <coz_> oo customizatioin is the issue ?
[15:14] <Islington> not a must have vish? Its one of the most important features that differentiates linux now
[15:14] <vish> but i really dint know what anything in my reply had to do with customization
[15:14] <coz_> Islington,  absolutely
[15:14] <Islington> customizing both windows/mac is incredibly tedious, but I agree its way off topic
[15:15] <coz_> well "customization"  is sort of artsy :)
[15:15] <vish> Islington: yea surely, not the way Canonical does stuff. there must be a way for things to plugin
[15:15] <vish> Canonical does have a tendency to not allow easy ways to plugin and change things though..
[15:15] <Islington> coz_: lol off topic to the topic on list
[15:16] <coz_> oh :)
[15:16] <Islington> vish: that particular problem is endemic to gnome
[15:16] <Islington> with its rejection of compiz especially
[15:17] <vish> that was STUPIDITY!
[15:17] <coz_> gnome is a pain inthe A@@
[15:17] <coz_> as far as choices / customization goes
[15:17] <vish> seriously, i can not digest the fact that they blatantly rejected Compiz from even participating in GNOME Shell
[15:18] <vish> their reasons were total bullcrap!
[15:19] <vish> if not for compiz, i would bet GNOME would have had less than 25% of users they have now
[15:19] <coz_> well,, in some respects..compiz poses a threat,, in a minor way,, I was talking about compiz as a DE  long ago... lately ,, I have been reading more people wanting to to actually be realized,, I doubt it will
[15:20] <Islington> it can be a de, with compiz-menu
[15:20] <vish> well, Compiz DE is not Unity :D
[15:20] <vish> s/not/now*
[15:20] <coz_> this is true
[15:22] <coz_> Islington,  well compiz + cairo dock is really all you need
[15:22] <vish> yay! cairo dock!
[15:22] <coz_> Islington,  and of course  kde and or gnome libraries
[15:22] <coz_> vish,  :)  I am "forced" to agree :)
[15:22] <Islington> I never got into cairo dock, awn was good though
[15:23] <coz_> Islington,  oo dude,, cairo dock is far more configurable
[15:23] <Islington> oh yeah, I remember
[15:23] <vish> coz_: DBO threw a fit when he saw me using cairo-dock! haha! ;p
[15:23] <coz_> Islington,  the config dialog is not very far off from ccsm
[15:23] <coz_> vish,  are you serious?
[15:23] <coz_> vish,  why the hell would he be peeved at that?
[15:24] <coz_> Islington,  and with nearly as many options as compiz
[15:24] <vish> coz_: well, not for too long.. just that he was like : Cairo-dock is blasphemy or something similar
[15:24] <coz_> vish,  oh man,, some developers are just  nuts  :)
[15:26] <vish> coz_: i think he dint expect to see people actually using cairo-dock! ;)
[15:26] <vish> or any dock other than Docky ;p
[15:26] <coz_> vish,  strange,, :)
[15:26] <vish> coz_: well, Docky is quite popular, and does seem to have a large user base
[15:27] <coz_> vish,  I know ,, I have tried it,, not as nice in my opinion
[15:27] <coz_> but I have to be predjudiced about it :)
[15:28] <vish> i actually wonder what Canonical plan is for Touch, they seem to be investing a lot of time+effort in that
[15:29] <coz_> vish,  that touches on one of my pet peeves.. I would like a detailed listing of exactly what is "canonical's ( shuttleworth's) long term vision for ubuntu in general
[15:32] <vish> i'm quite certain(which is my best guess of-course) they have someone from design team working on a touch device (or something close to it)  with some device manufacturer
[15:32] <coz_> vish,  hopefully,, touch is , again, a big thing, especially since the advent of  iPad
[15:33] <coz_> but  windows 95 had a pen tablet years ago... it never really caught on except in some busnesses/ corporate envionments
[15:33] <coz_> I would prefer the more accurate,  pen tablet, which is generally drive by wacom
[16:30]  * vish wonders if i was too rude on Bug 737183 ?
[16:30] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 737183 in humanity-icon-theme "Home folder icon should be a *folder* with the home symbol, not a home symbol" [Wishlist,Opinion] https://launchpad.net/bugs/737183
[16:33] <coz_> vish,  nah,, sounds right to me
[16:34] <vish> *phew* , dint expect Mark to just accept it … ;)
[16:34] <coz_> vish,  really? cool
[16:34] <vish> coz_: yea, he filed that bug, and i closed it ;)
[16:34] <coz_> :)
[18:34] <Ronnie> For a project in our local community im creating a webchat app based on IRC (maybe/hopefully this will result in chat.ubuntu.com sometime). I made some mockups and want some feedback on this. so fire away
[18:34] <Ronnie> http://img228.imageshack.us/i/plains.png/
[18:34] <Ronnie> http://img857.imageshack.us/i/contacts.png/
[18:34] <Ronnie> http://img62.imageshack.us/i/topicm.png/
[18:34] <Ronnie> http://img843.imageshack.us/i/mouseonheader.png/
[18:34] <Ronnie> http://img199.imageshack.us/i/textinputselected.png/
[19:00] <vish> Ronnie: looks good, but i'm confused which channel is focussed there, is it ubuntu-nl or ubuntu-nl-mwanzo?
[19:00] <vish> if its not the second channel, why is it underlined?
[19:00] <Ronnie> the first channel is active, the second channel has "new messages"
[19:00] <vish> ah!
[19:03] <vish> Ronnie: you could play with just using color/bold/italics and see how that works, to me it is a bit confusing atm
[19:03] <Ronnie> good idea, ill have a shot
[19:14] <Ronnie> vish: http://oi56.tinypic.com/25kirmt.jpg
[19:14] <Ronnie> not yet what i expected
[19:15] <vish> hmm, maybe with the orange color it might be better
[19:15] <Ronnie> what if i put the color on the top instead of bottom on the tab?
[19:17] <vish> might work, but it would still seem like "selected" , what about just using an icon for new messages? (a color chat bubble)
[19:18] <Ronnie> http://oi56.tinypic.com/21dg710.jpg
[19:19] <vish> heh, now its just  barely visible :D
[19:19] <Ronnie> is possible, but could make the tabsbar make "jumpy"
[19:19] <vish>  you could just use the icon as a partial-overlay,
[19:20] <vish> but just colored text should work IMO, most clients just do that.. or the blinking bubble
[19:21] <Ronnie> thats possibe. do you know any method to make difference between "new messages" and "new messages with your name in it"
[19:21] <Ronnie> colored tekst is also possible, but orange is very ugly on that 'grey', and i dont want to introduce more colors
[19:22]  * vish nods
[19:22] <vish> maybe using " @ " for messages with name?
[19:23] <Ronnie> vish would you like to have the xcf file to play around with?
[19:23] <vish> sure, but not right now.. :)
[19:25] <Ronnie> aargg, ubuntuone is down
[19:28] <Ronnie> vish: what about a line under the channelname, or does that look too much like a link
[19:30] <vish> not sure, would need to actually see it.. :)
[19:32] <Ronnie> vish: http://www.2shared.com/file/RgpjlcGI/Visual.html <== gimp file (made with the beta, contains layer groups)
[19:33] <vish> cool! will play with it.. :)
[19:33] <Ronnie> http://img834.imageshack.us/i/activetabvariations3.png/
[19:38] <Ronnie> vish, glow - shadow should be possible too
[19:39] <vish> Ronnie: ha! exactly what i was thinking right now! :)
[19:39] <Ronnie> have to go now
[19:39] <Ronnie> ill be back later
[20:30] <darkmatter> heya coz_
[20:36] <coz_> darkmatter,  hey guy :)  watching all variation of numa numa guy :)
[20:37] <darkmatter> coz_: cool. just collecting some crap and starting a theme extravaganza. tm just slightly hacked template stuff, but whatever
[20:37] <darkmatter> http://i.imgur.com/SCrNb.png
[20:38] <coz_> nice
[20:38] <coz_> darkmatter,  which client is that?
[20:39] <darkmatter> coz_: not my theme bits atm. just a "reference template" for the general mood
[20:39] <darkmatter> empathy
[20:39] <coz_> darkmatter,   ok cool,, never used empathy
[20:39] <darkmatter> modded 'fluffy' wip from adium for the style
[21:39] <Ronnie> back