[00:29] <earthling_> Is it possible to keep the same layout/appearance of Firefox 3.6  after upgrading to Firefox 4?
[00:32] <MrChrisDruif> earthling_: I don't know
[00:33] <MrChrisDruif> But I don't think so
[00:34] <earthling_> firefox men > options > un-check tabs on top check menu bar
[00:34] <earthling_> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/firefox-3-theme-for-firefox/
[00:36] <earthling_> someon from #FF suggested
[00:37] <escoloader> there is also a lifehacker.com article dedicated to this
[00:37] <escoloader> lol
[00:38] <escoloader> http://lifehacker.com/#!5784783/how-to-fix-annoyances-with-firefox-4s-new-look
[00:38] <escoloader> chedk that out earthling_
[00:42] <earthling_> ok,thx
[00:42] <MrChrisDruif> Thnx
 view > toolbars > customize
 drag stop and reload to the left
 and maybe the home button
[01:34] <javatexan> if you had to add grails to your ubuntu server, how would one go about that without leaving one's proverbial "butt hangin in the wind"?
[02:01] <rcconf> hello
[02:01] <escoloader> hi rcconf
[02:12] <rcconf> How can I customize tha icon http://i55.tinypic.com/2qv3y49.png ?
[02:20] <earthling_> right click properties?
[02:21] <rcconf> earthling_: no, it's for window title
[02:21] <rcconf> cant right click it and change
[02:21] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-53277.html maybe
[02:22] <holstein> ^ is for the show desktop button
[02:24] <rcconf> lol i want for gnome terminal :)
[02:24] <rcconf> no show desktop tksanyway
[02:25] <holstein> rcconf: can you still do custom icons for terminal profiles?
[02:25] <earthling_> no icon in my title bar
[02:29] <rcconf> holstein: I cant
[02:29] <rcconf> im using ambiance theme
[02:30] <rcconf> maybe thats the problem?
[02:49] <earthling_> for upgrading to firefox 4 can I uninstall 3.6 and then install from ubuntu software center?
[02:53] <rcconf> earthling_: no
[02:53] <rcconf> !ff4
[02:53] <ubot2> Firefox 4 is the current stable version of Firefox. Current versions of Ubuntu do not have it (see !latest), but there is an unofficial and unsupported PPA that you can use by running the following command: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mozillateam/firefox-stable && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install firefox
[02:54] <rcconf> earthling_: follow the instructions
[02:54] <rcconf> earthling_: you dontneed to remove, just upgrade it :)
[02:54] <earthling_> will it keep all my settings?
[02:55] <rcconf> of course :)
[02:55] <earthling_> bookmarks
[02:55] <rcconf> everything.
[02:55] <earthling_> ?
[02:55] <earthling_> ok
[02:56] <earthling_> what does unsupported PPA mean?
[02:56] <rcconf> earthling_: it means is not supported by Canonical
[02:56] <rcconf> but it's a official ppa from Firefox team
[02:56] <rcconf> ;)
[02:56] <rcconf> it's safe.
[02:56] <earthling_> it becomes supported over time?
[02:56] <rcconf> earthling_: firefox 4 only in natty
[02:57] <rcconf> new ubuntu version
[02:57] <earthling_> ic
[02:57] <rcconf> earthling_: oh yeah i dont know
[02:57] <rcconf> if ubuntu repositories will add firefox 4
[02:57] <rcconf> but for now you need the PPA
[02:57] <earthling_> 10.10 still uses 3.6 as official version
[02:58] <earthling_> ?
[02:58] <rcconf> yes
[02:58] <earthling_> because it came out before 4 was released
[02:58] <rcconf> earthling_: are you using 10.10?
[02:58] <earthling_> actually Im on 10.04
[02:58] <earthling_> LTS
[02:58] <earthling_> Im used to it :)
[02:58] <rcconf> earthling_: in 10.04 FF 4 showed up automatically in repositories?
[02:59] <rcconf> without PPA?
[02:59] <rcconf> oh forget.
[02:59] <earthling_> 3.6 in software center
[02:59] <rcconf> yes 3.6 is the latest from ubuntu repositories
[02:59] <rcconf> in natty will be firefox 4
[02:59] <rcconf> natty = ubuntu 11.04
[03:00] <earthling_> yes
[03:00] <rcconf> :)
[03:01] <earthling_> :)
[03:01] <earthling_> !latest ff
[03:01] <ubot2> Factoid 'latest ff' not found
[03:02] <earthling_> !latest firefox
[03:02] <ubot2> Factoid 'latest firefox' not found
[03:02] <rcconf> it's !ff4
[03:02] <earthling_> !latest
[03:02] <ubot2> Packages in Ubuntu may not be the latest. Ubuntu aims for stability, so "latest" may not be a good idea. Post-release updates are only considered if they are fixes for security vulnerabilities, high impact bug fixes, or unintrusive bug fixes with substantial benefit. See also !backports, !sru, and !ppa.
[03:02] <earthling_> ic
[03:02] <rcconf> ic means?
[03:02] <earthling_> I see
[03:02] <earthling_> :)
[03:02] <rcconf> oh lol.
[03:02] <rcconf> I just read it :)
[03:02] <rcconf> said*
[03:02] <earthling_> got it
[03:02] <rcconf> :D
[03:02] <earthling_> roger roger
[03:03] <earthling_> heh
[03:03] <earthling_> from the movie Airplane
[03:03] <rcconf> didnt watch
[03:03] <rcconf> i need to do someting BBL ma man
[03:04] <earthling_> so does that command automatically install new updates as they become available?
[03:04] <earthling_> or do I set that in the browser?
[03:04] <earthling_> I wait until updates show up in Update Manager
[03:05] <rcconf> yes earthling_
[03:05] <earthling_> ok, thx
[03:05] <rcconf> it will update automatically because of PPA :)
[03:05] <rcconf> I just add PPA from trusted sources
[03:05] <earthling_> but only stable updates?
[03:05] <rcconf> yes
[03:05] <rcconf> earthling_: for unstable you need to use dev ppa iirc
[03:06] <earthling_> stable is good
[03:06] <earthling_> enough for me
[03:06] <earthling_> you running 4 now?
[03:06] <rcconf> yes
[03:06] <earthling_> like it?
[03:06] <rcconf> it's better than 3.6
[03:07] <rcconf> earthling_: join #firefox
[03:07] <earthling_> k :)
[03:07] <earthling_> cya later
[03:07] <rcconf> lataz
[03:08]  * rcconf loves Ubuntu
[03:08] <earthling_> open source 4 evah!
[03:08] <Guest80327> I'm having trouble extending my desktop to a second monitor. I can mirror he image just fine, but when i try to uncheck that option, the image i get on the monitor implies that my graphics card crashed? Im a newbie. I was using ubuntu 10.4 and i had the same problem before i upgraded to 10.10 just now. what do i do? thanks
[03:09] <rcconf> Guest80327: nvidia or ati?
[03:10] <earthling_> you can use 2 monitors with different images on 1 computer?
[03:11] <rcconf> I think
[03:11] <earthling_> far out
[03:11] <rcconf> my nvidia drivers work fine
[03:11] <rcconf> clone mode
[03:11] <rcconf> hdmi out
[03:11] <rcconf> dual monitor etc
[03:11] <rcconf> love it
[03:12] <earthling_> but its the same image I thought
[03:12] <earthling_> its fun though using TV as a monitor
[03:12] <rcconf> earthling_: you can divide the image?
[03:12] <earthling_> not sure, it seemed like that was what Guest80327 was trying to do
[03:13] <rcconf> earthling_: it's fun but good for getting persistent images TV != LCD monitor
[03:13] <Guest80327> i gotta find out how to find out my graphics card, will be back:)
[03:13] <rcconf> and im paranoid about those things
[03:13] <earthling_> its good for streaming netflix to TV
[03:13] <rcconf> 5 minutes wit same image in LCD tv "oh nooooo"
[03:13] <rcconf> :)
[03:14] <earthling_> actually I use it with my laptop
[03:14] <earthling_> different OS
[03:14] <rcconf> earthling_: you should remove panels then
[03:14] <earthling_> turbotax doesn't support linux
[03:14] <earthling_> yet
[03:14] <rcconf> what is turbotax
[03:15] <earthling_> tax software
[03:15] <earthling_> in US
[03:15] <earthling_> income tax
[03:16] <earthling_> panels, hmm
[03:16] <rcconf> lol
[03:16] <rcconf> USA blows
[03:16] <rcconf> :(
[03:16] <rcconf> govermnent
[03:16] <rcconf> at least.
[03:16] <earthling_> haha
[03:17] <rcconf> the countrywhere the best and worst happens
[03:17] <earthling_> I think no govt is perfect
[03:17] <rcconf> yes but USA gov is a bunch of puppies
[03:17] <rcconf> mentally sick
[03:17] <earthling_> I would love to change things, but I am just 1 man
[03:17] <rcconf> earthling_: kill the media and youll change society
[03:18] <earthling_> easier said than done
[03:18] <rcconf> :)
[03:18] <earthling_> but the reporters will say they are objective
[03:18] <rcconf> hahaha
[03:18] <earthling_> and just trying to report the facts
[03:18] <rcconf> hahaha
[03:18] <rcconf> fox news :)
[03:18] <earthling_> :)
[03:18] <earthling_> "fair and balanced"
[03:18] <rcconf> even CNN is full of bs
[03:18] <rcconf> :)
[03:19] <rcconf> and all TV stations from all over the world copy their news.. false info fte
[03:19] <rcconf> ftw
[03:19] <earthling_> its interesting, depending on who you ask, the media has a "liberal bias" or "conservative bias"
[03:19] <earthling_> here
[03:19] <Guest80327> I'm using : VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 [Mobility Radeon 9600 M10] , and im on a t42 ibm thinkpad laptop
[03:20] <rcconf> earthling_: politics are actor in real life basically.
[03:20] <rcconf> Guest80327: try #ubuntu
[03:21] <rcconf> more ppl
[03:21] <Guest80327> ok thanks
[03:21] <earthling_> Shakespeare said we are all actors on a stage
[03:22] <rcconf> "we are all actors" marlon brando
[03:22] <rcconf> "the dogs are the best"
[03:22] <rcconf> ones* :)
[03:22] <earthling_> I think dogs are more honest than humans
[03:23] <earthling_> humans can be deceptive
[03:23] <earthling_> especially when money is involved
[03:23] <rcconf> because money = wealth and hapinness
[03:23] <rcconf> money rules ppl lives
[03:23] <rcconf> sad
[03:23] <rcconf> story
[03:23] <earthling_> there is a lot of incentive to lie if it is rewarded
[03:24] <rcconf> yep
[03:24] <rcconf> and honest person wont get much but hate
[03:24] <rcconf> an*
[03:24] <earthling_> he will get called a troublemaker
[03:24] <earthling_> or goody goody
[03:24] <rcconf> lol
[03:25] <earthling_> or naive
[03:25] <rcconf> earthling_: do you know anything about hardware?
[03:25] <earthling_> some
[03:25] <rcconf> earthling_: im connecting led cables to motherboard
[03:25] <rcconf> the pin thing shows an arrow
[03:25] <rcconf> what does that mean
[03:26] <earthling_> led light cables for decoration?
[03:26] <rcconf> arrow = number 1?
[03:26] <earthling_> or indiciation lights?
[03:26] <rcconf> no the leds for computer case
[03:26] <earthling_> indiciation
[03:26] <rcconf> yes
[03:26] <earthling_> oh
[03:26] <earthling_> I don't really build computers, but I replace parts now and then
[03:26] <rcconf> motherboard says nothing about the "arrow" symbol
[03:27] <rcconf> the manual i mean
[03:27] <earthling_> is there a manual on website?
[03:27] <earthling_> of motherboard
[03:27] <earthling_> or cable
[03:28] <earthling_> other than one you have
[03:28] <rcconf> earthling_: MB manual only shows the pins' numbers
[03:28] <rcconf> connectors
[03:28] <earthling_> you could look at google images of already finished ones
[03:29] <rcconf> http://www.techimo.com/forum/storage-related/32984-cant-tell-positive-negative-motherboard-wiring.html
[03:29] <rcconf> gonna try to read the text on the motherboard
[03:30] <earthling_> good luck
[03:34] <rcconf> it just identify the stuff to connect
[03:35] <rcconf> oh
[03:35] <rcconf> found something http://www.techiehq.net/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=82730
[03:52] <rcconf> reset and power led working
[04:04] <jhanafrog> =)
[06:37] <jhanafrog> is there a way to automate scp to copy files to a remote system?  i was going to use crontab, but i'm not sure about the password
[09:05] <s-fox> Hello.
[09:33] <earthling_> hi s-fox
[09:35] <s-fox> Hello earthling_ . How are you?
[09:36] <earthling_> good and you?
[09:37] <djxcqtion> wats up people
[09:37] <djxcqtion> Just got Ubuntu
[09:38] <djxcqtion> and man has it impressed
[09:38] <djxcqtion> wanted to ask a few questions
[09:38] <djxcqtion> Firstly WUBI installation vs Full Installation?
[09:38] <djxcqtion> Which is better
[09:39] <djxcqtion> Does WUBI installation effect performance?
[09:39] <djxcqtion> a lot?
[10:09] <duanedesign> hello djxcqtion
[10:09] <duanedesign> I would stay away from Wubi
[10:09] <duanedesign> if you want both just do a dual-boot
[10:12]  * FractalSquirrel waves to all.
[10:18] <FractalSquirrel> Anyone awake?
[10:20] <wolfpack> yes FractalSquirrel
[10:20] <FractalSquirrel> How goes with you this (Local Time)?
[10:21] <wolfpack> FractalSquirrel: My timezone is UTC + 5.30
[10:22] <duanedesign> haha, I am -6.00
[10:24] <FractalSquirrel> Half hour incriments make it confusing imo.
[10:25] <FractalSquirrel> -7 with DST here.
[10:33] <FractalSquirrel> got a question, I've been looking online, but haven't found a working workaround.  I've got Ubuntu Netbook Remix  on an HP Mini 1116nr.  Usually during bootup it gives an screen full of error messenge: udev worker (number) did not accept message  kill it.   The person this netbook will be going to would freak out seeing that as she has trouble with mental illness.
[10:33] <FractalSquirrel> Is there a way I can hide that screen during boot?
[16:13]  * JackyAlcine will be right back.
[18:09] <rcconf> hi all
[18:09] <rcconf> ready for help
[18:10] <aztek> yupz
[18:11] <rcconf> i meant ready *to help
[18:11] <rcconf> me :)
[18:11] <aztek> what can i do for you?
[18:13] <rcconf> nothing right now :)
[18:13] <rcconf> aztek: I have a question
[18:14] <rcconf> why would I need the Magic SysRq
[18:14] <rcconf> ?
[18:15] <yofel> that's usually used as an emergency interface to the kernel if the system is mostly locked up
[18:15] <rcconf> hmm
[18:16] <yofel> !sysrq
[18:16] <ubot2> In an emergency, you may be able to shutdown cleanly and reboot by holding down Alt+PrintScreen and typing, in succession, R, E, I, S, U and B. For an explanation, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key
[18:16] <rcconf> oh I see
[18:17] <rcconf> yofel: usually I just press reset :(
[18:17] <rcconf> didnt know about that
[18:17] <rcconf> pretty good
[18:17] <rcconf> yofel: so I keep alt+print down and then type earch key at a time?
[18:18] <yofel> yes
[18:18] <bdfhjk> this is like ctrl+alt+del in windows?
[18:18] <bdfhjk> :-)
[18:18] <yofel> before doing that you might try K too, that will kill X
[18:19] <yofel> bdfhjk: no, we have ctrl+alt+del too
[18:19] <yofel> sysrq are direct kernel instructions
[18:19] <bdfhjk> so it is  'stronger' ?
[18:20] <yofel> R = get keyboard focus, E = terminate all apps, I = kill all apps, S = sync all disks, U = remount all disks read-only, B = immediate reboot
[18:20] <yofel> note: nothing prevents you from pressing alt+print+b - except common sense
[18:21] <yofel> for me usually alt+print+k and ctrl+alt+del is enough to reboot (K = kill everything on current terminal, usually X)
[18:22] <bdfhjk> I must admit that I did not know about it so far. Thank you yofel for the clarification
[18:22] <bdfhjk> I will read about it
[18:29] <udayan_> hi every1. i need help regarding mounting of ntfs filesystems.
[18:34] <xardas008> can you describe your problem in more details? Maybe i can help you
[18:41] <xardas008> udayan_, ?
[18:52] <udayan_> I had Windows XP which due to some reason crashed after which i installed ubuntu 8.10. while on windows i had 50gb of data which i cannot access. one of the partition i formatted to ext3 but it shows the following message when i try to mount it: the mount point cannot contain the following characters: newline, G_DIR_SEPARATE (usually /).
[18:52] <udayan_> For the other partition it shows an error saying that i do not have the privilege to mount it.
[18:53] <xardas008> mounting only with sudo
[18:54] <udayan_> i dnt knw. i jst rght cliked on the partition and tried mounting option
[18:55] <xardas008> and if you try to install ubuntu 10.10? Maybe the ntfs-tools are to old?
[18:55] <udayan_> i wud be doing that in a couple of days...
[18:56] <asterismo> hi people
[18:56] <asterismo> i need help with something
[18:56] <xardas008> because Ubuntu 8.10 isn't supported anymore
[18:56] <xardas008> hi asterismo
[18:57] <udayan_> in case i upgrade to 10.10. aft that wat procedure should i follow
[18:57] <asterismo> i installed maverick i386 recently and the default user is "observer"
[18:58] <asterismo> then i created an other user called "santiago"
[18:58] <asterismo> then i gave administrator permissions
[18:58] <asterismo> like observer
[18:58] <xardas008> udayan_, the best way would be a new installation
[18:58] <xardas008> udayan_, did you use a seperate home partition?
[18:58] <asterismo> and then i realized that i can not mount my externa 500GB uab disk
[18:58] <asterismo> usb*
[18:59] <xardas008> asterismo, is user "santiago" in group wheel?
[18:59] <asterismo> it is recognized by disk utility, and i can mount and unmount it
[19:00] <asterismo> wheel is the name?
[19:00] <asterismo> only have group www-data
[19:00] <xardas008> adm dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare that are all groups my user is in (default ones)
[19:00] <udayan_> yup. ubuntu is on separate partition. no files other than ubuntu system files are there on it.
[19:00] <asterismo> the disk does not appear in nautilus devices
[19:00] <xardas008> i think something like plugdev could be the reason
[19:01] <xardas008> udayan_, did you specialise the partitions manually or did you let ubuntu create them?
[19:01] <asterismo> i am on that groups
[19:01] <asterismo> plugdev...
[19:01] <udayan_> manually.
[19:02] <xardas008> so did you specify one for / and one for /home?
[19:02] <asterismo> i cant acces to the disk starting gksudo nautilus, then the disk appears in nautilus devices
[19:02] <asterismo> but not from my regular user
[19:03] <xardas008> asterismo, on console use the command groups with both users and look if both are in the same groups
[19:04] <udayan_> no
[19:04] <xardas008> and after adding a user to a group you need to log in new
[19:04] <xardas008> udayan_, ok then you need to backup your data before upgrade, a direct upgrade would be possible but i can't make sure that everything will work fine
[19:05] <udayan_> even i think so. dat wud less cumbersome than exploring further.
[19:06] <asterismo> i will try this
[19:06] <asterismo> thanks!!
[19:06] <udayan_> btw if force mount is done wat r the chances of data loss
[19:07] <xardas008> puh, i don't know maybe someone else in this channel would know that?
[19:08] <udayan_> okey dokey. thanks a lot buddy!!
[19:22] <rcconf> If screen is locked is it possible to use the Magig SysRsc key?
[19:24] <charlie-tca> rcconf:  sometimes it will work, yes
[19:25] <skeddy> Hello! I was in there a couple of days ago, with a "wrong fs type" problem when trying to mount a hard drive. Still not having any luck with it :-(
[19:26] <skeddy> One partition is clean according to the ubuntu disk utility, and the other isn't - wondered if this is why I can't mount it?
[19:26] <charlie-tca> rcconf: I normally try Alt+SysRq+k first, when it locks up. That closes anything on the desktop without saving it, but many times I can log back in with out a full restart then.
[21:06] <Shyster> hello, how is everyone?
[21:06] <Shyster> when i try to run a command with "sudo" i get this error
[21:06] <Shyster> sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0640, should be 0440
[21:06] <Shyster> sudo: no valid sudoers sources found, quitting
[21:07] <Shyster> anyone have any idea of a solution?
[21:07] <rcconf> hello
[21:07] <rcconf> Shyster: your user should be in sudoers?
[21:08] <rcconf> Shyster: try man visudo
[21:08] <rcconf> sudo visudo
[21:08] <rcconf> to make changes
[21:08] <aveilleux> Shyster: hm. does sudo still operate correctly (and just give you the warning)?
[21:09] <Shyster> visudo: /etc/sudoers: Permission denied
[21:09] <Shyster> visudo: /etc/sudoers: Permission denied
[21:09] <Shyster> no
[21:09] <Shyster> worked fine untill earlier today
[21:10] <rcconf> your use is not un super users list
[21:10] <aveilleux> rcconf: That's not it
[21:10] <rcconf> Shyster: did you type "sudo visudo"
[21:10] <aveilleux> rcconf: The file has the incorrect permissions
[21:10] <rcconf> hm
[21:11] <Shyster> kyleslone@kyleslinuxlaptop:~$ sudo visudo
[21:11] <Shyster> sudo: /etc/sudoers is mode 0640, should be 0440
[21:11] <Shyster> sudo: no valid sudoers sources found, quitting
[21:11] <aveilleux> Shyster: Hm, this may be a problem. The way I would have normally fixed this would be to sudo chmod /etc/sudoers 0440
[21:11] <Shyster> but i cant ran any sudo commands
[21:12] <aveilleux> Shyster: The way you have to fix it this time around, though, is to reboot into recovery mode (it's one of the options in your GRUB menu), which logs you into root
[21:12] <aveilleux> Shyster: And then chmod 0440 /etc/sudoers
[21:13] <Shyster> ah ok
[21:13] <Shyster> i will give it a try
[21:14] <Shyster> i was try to join the domain with this linux box here at work must have tweeked the wrong thing lol
[21:19] <rcconf> lole
[21:21] <rcconf> is there a way to select in terminal using keyboard only?
[21:21] <rcconf> text
[21:23] <bioterror> shadeslayer, https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/likewise-open.html
[21:23] <shadeslayer> er?
[21:24] <bioterror> sorry
[21:24] <bioterror> oh, shyster quit
[21:24] <bioterror> and my connection lags alot
[21:26] <rcconf> hm
[21:48] <sealance> hey, I'm stuck installing a package on ubuntu, i'm very new to it and don't know how to do it, is this the right place to ask? thanks :)
[21:49] <rcconf> sealance: sudo apt-get install packagename
[21:50] <sealance> thats the problem, its slightly more complicated that that, I'm installing it on an ubuntu laptop without internet, the program i was told to install was wicd, so I downloaded a tar.gz and now I'm trying to install it, but I just don't understant how to
[21:53] <johnny77> sealance: do you have a live CD?
[21:54] <sealance> the iso image i downloaded was burnt into a USB stick, my laptop's cd doesen't work
[21:54] <sealance> I can burn it on my pendrive again if its needed
[21:54] <bioterror> tar zxvf wicd-asdsad.tar.gz
[21:54] <bioterror> cd wicd
[21:54] <bioterror> ./configure
[21:54] <bioterror> make
[21:54] <bioterror> make install clean
[21:54] <bioterror> but why wicd?
[21:54] <rcconf> sealance: do you want wicd to connect to wireless?
[21:55] <rcconf> sealance: you make a usb live cd
[21:55] <sealance> well, my wireless card on ubuntu has never worked, so I filed a ticket and they told me to use ndiswrapper, which apparently doesen't work either (well I don't really know, the guy just abandoned teh ticket), so I came here and they told me to use wicd
[21:55] <rcconf> no need for cds
[21:56] <rcconf> sealance: you can use ndiswrapper to install windows wireless drivers
[21:56] <rcconf> sealance: make a usb live
[21:56] <rcconf> boot and check if it detects the wireless
[21:56] <bioterror> asdsadasd
[21:56] <bioterror> some needs a teaching
[21:57] <bioterror> wicd wont fix your problem
[21:57] <sealance> right, thats what they told me, so I installed a windows driver for my wireless card but it didnt seem to pick up any wireless signals
[21:57] <rcconf> sealance: did you reboot?
[21:57] <sealance> yeah, first thing i did
[21:57] <bioterror> aveilleux, hop
[21:57] <sealance> i can try again, see if theres anything leading to the problem
[21:57] <rcconf> wireless drivers pain in arse
[21:58] <bioterror> szczur, have you played with ndiswrapper
[21:58] <rcconf> im lucky that wireless work fine
[21:58] <rcconf> szczur: ?
[21:58] <szczur> bioterror, not much
[21:58] <bioterror> same here, and I'm about to hit the sack
[21:58]  * szczur reads the backlog
[21:59] <johnny77> sealance: what type of network card do you have?
[21:59] <sealance> they are a pain, but thanks for helping out :) so let me see, i'll get ndiswrapper back on installed and i'll mount that driver, see what we can do from there
[22:00] <sealance> i'm running on an acer aspire 1410, apparently according to the ticket guy I have an InProComm 2220
[22:01] <sealance> once i installed the 2220 chipset driver i was able to enable wireless, but no signals were picked up, thats as far as i got
[22:02] <szczur> sealance, have you tried ndisgtk, it's easy to install windows driver with it. unpack the driver -> run ndisgtk -> locate the inf file insde the folder with driver and choose it
[22:02] <szczur> it should work
[22:02] <sealance> ok willdo
[22:03] <sealance> i have ndisgtk somewhere
[22:04] <sealance> ok, did that, now on that little screen i have a neti2220 driver installed
[22:04] <johnny77> sealance: I'd also run   lspci -vnn  in the terminal to verify the chipset
[22:04] <sealance> willdo
[22:05] <sealance> says ethernet controller [0200] inprocomm inc. 2220 802.11g [17fe:2220]
[22:06] <sealance> oh and it also says "kernel driver in use: ndiswrapper"
[22:06] <sealance> and capabilities: <access denied>
[22:06] <sealance> then the subsystem, flags, i(o ports and memory values
[22:06] <rcconf> Description: graphical frontend for ndiswrapper (installation of Windows WiFi drivers)
[22:06] <aveilleux> bioterror: Say what?
[22:06] <rcconf>  ndisgtk is a GTK+ based frontend for ndiswrapper, allowing an easy way to
[22:06] <rcconf>  install Windows wireless drivers.
[22:07] <bioterror> aveilleux, are you familiar with ndiswrapper?
[22:07] <aveilleux> bioterror: Kind of
[22:08] <aveilleux> sealance: What arch are you running? 32- or 64-bit?
[22:09] <sealance> i'd swear i'm on 32, there any way to double check?
[22:09] <aveilleux> sealance: in Terminal, uname -r
[22:09] <aveilleux> er
[22:09] <aveilleux> no
[22:10] <aveilleux> sealance: uname -m
[22:10] <szczur> dpkg --print-architecture
[22:10] <sealance> aveilleux: says 2.6.35-22-generic
[22:10] <aveilleux> sealance: I meant uname -m
[22:11] <sealance> szczur: i386
[22:11] <sealance> aveilleux: oh sorry, i386
[22:11] <aveilleux> sealance: okay, that's 32-bit
[22:12] <aveilleux> sealance: Where did you get the drivers from?
[22:12] <sealance> aveilleux: the man from the ticket I filed a long time ago gave me a link, I can get that for you if you need it
[22:13] <aveilleux> sealance: yes please
[22:15] <sealance> aveilleux: hey, I'm pretty sure it was the a802.zip from this page http://support.acer-euro.com/drivers/notebook/tm_4000.html
[22:16] <sealance> then inside i was told there was an .inf file (there were 2, under win2k and under winxp folders, I used the in2k)
[22:17] <aveilleux> sealance: You need the .inf, .sys and .cat files
[22:17] <aveilleux> I recommend using the WinXP ones since they're probably more up-to-date
[22:18] <rcconf> yep
[22:19] <aveilleux> sealance: Use ndisgtk to uninstall the old driver, then extract all the files under winxp into the same folder and install the inf file again
[22:20] <sealance> that sounds great, ok i'll do that. right now I have that winxp folder under a "a802" folder under an "opt" folder in my filesystem
[22:20] <sealance> is that cool or should I move all that soemwhere else?
[22:20] <aveilleux> sealance: Where is opt/ located?
[22:21] <sealance> aveilleux: directly under filesystem
[22:21] <aveilleux> sealance: Noooo no no
[22:21] <aveilleux> sealance: You don't have the proper permissions to edit that directory. Linux isn't like Windows, you shouldn't stray out of your home directory (~/) unless you know what you're doing
[22:22] <sealance> aveilleix: sounds like it shouldn't be there :) thats where the tutorial told me to put it under, where should that winxp file be in then? home? ok
[22:22] <aveilleux> sealance: Yes, in your home directory
[22:22] <aveilleux> sealance: The tutorial was probably geared at advanced users, or people using something like Arch or Gentoo
[22:23] <sealance> aveilleux: phew, thanks, now its under home/winxp
[22:23] <sealance> i'll uninstall that driver and install it again
[22:23] <sealance> sys cat and inf are all under the same folder, that ok?
[22:23] <aveilleux> sealance: That's how it should be
[22:25] <sealance> aveilleux: great, now I installed it, I'll reboot now, or should i do something else?
[22:27] <aveilleux> sealance: You don't have to reboot, just log out and log back in
[22:30] <sealance> aveilleux: ok, I'm back in, how do I know it worked? and by the way, I don't see my wireless icon on my taskbar
[22:31] <rcconf> hello
[22:31] <rcconf> im trying to select text in screen
[22:32] <rcconf> it shows "xxx copied to buffer"
[22:32] <rcconf> but then i try to ctrl shift v
[22:32] <rcconf> and does not paste
[22:32] <rcconf> help
[22:32] <holstein> rcconf: what terminal?
[22:32] <rcconf> gnome terminal
[22:33] <holstein> rcconf> gnome terminal
[22:33] <holstein> hmmm
[22:33] <holstein> i just high-lighted that ^
[22:33] <holstein> right-clicked
[22:33] <holstein> pasted
[22:33] <holstein> ^ copied*
[22:33] <rcconf> holstein: without keyboard.
[22:33] <rcconf> oops
[22:33] <rcconf> without mouse!
[22:33] <holstein> and pasted with cntrl+shift+v
[22:33] <rcconf> im just using the keyboard
[22:33] <rcconf> ..
[22:33] <aveilleux> sealance: Yeah it's a glitch in network-manager-gnome. Right-click and move very slowly in the empty spaces in the status bar until you see the wireless menu pop up
[22:33] <holstein> rcconf: in the future
[22:34] <rcconf> ctrl+a+esc that i select
[22:34] <holstein> you should lead with that
[22:34] <rcconf> holstein: you didnt get.
[22:34] <rcconf> holstein: im using screen in gnome terminal
[22:34] <holstein> rcconf: yeah
[22:34] <holstein> i get it
[22:34] <rcconf> i selected and copied the text
[22:34] <holstein> you didnt say anything about not having a mouse though
[22:34] <rcconf> but when i paste nothing happens.
[22:35] <holstein> BUT, im up to date now
[22:35] <rcconf> k
[22:36] <sealance> aveilleux: hey no sign of it, there are no empty spaces on the right side of the bar (right to left power button, time/calendar, mail, volume, battery and a separator - two dots)
[22:37] <aveilleux> sealance: The gaps between the icons.
[22:37] <MrChrisDruif> rcconf: pasting in terminal?
[22:37] <MrChrisDruif> With keyboard?
[22:37] <rcconf> no
[22:37] <rcconf> selecting text and paste in screen
[22:37] <rcconf> the problem is the pasting
[22:38] <rcconf> it's not pastign the text that copied
[22:38] <MrChrisDruif> In what kind of screen rcconf?
[22:38] <holstein> screen
[22:38] <holstein> the app
[22:38]  * holstein assumes
[22:38] <holstein> !screen
[22:38] <ubot2> screen is a window manager for terminal sessions, also useful over SSH. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Screen
[22:38] <rcconf> i know that.
[22:39] <rcconf> holstein: screen
[22:39] <rcconf> ctrl+alt+esc
[22:39] <rcconf> hit space
[22:39] <rcconf> select text with arrows
[22:39] <rcconf> hit space
[22:39] <rcconf> text copied
[22:39] <rcconf> then i try to paste it
[22:39] <rcconf> nothing happens.
[22:40] <rcconf> 22:39:25 <yitz_> ctrl+a ]  for paste
[22:40] <aveilleux> rcconf: Idunno, I can't duplicate
[22:40] <holstein> rcconf: i was just answering the question 'what kind or screen'
[22:40] <rcconf> k
[22:41] <sealance> aveilleux: hey sorry, no sign of it, now my mail and volume icons disappeared, hmph
[22:42] <aveilleux> sealance: You may have accidentally removed the indicator-applet
[22:42] <sealance> aveilleux: is there any way to get that back on?
[22:43] <aveilleux> sealance: Right-click on an empty space, add to panel
[22:44] <holstein> rcconf: can you try from tty?
[22:44] <aveilleux> sealance: This is the reason I use Wicd instead of network-manager-gnome, but Wicd doesn't play well with ndiswrapper
[22:44] <rcconf> holstein: to paste in screen is this way:
[22:44] <rcconf> ctrl + a then ]
[22:45] <rcconf> :=)
[22:45] <rcconf> complicated but works.
[22:45] <holstein> hey, if it works :)
[22:45] <rcconf> yep
[22:45] <rcconf> im gonna write it up
[22:45] <sealance> aveilleux: hah ok, well i got my mail/battery/volume back on, no sign of wireless though
[22:46] <sealance> aveilleux: so wicd won't work with ndiswrapper... anything else better than the gnome one will?
[22:47] <rcconf> gnome network manager
[22:48] <aveilleux> rcconf: That's what network-manager-gnome is
[22:48] <sealance> hey I found this piece of code on a forum "nm-applet --sm-disable", would that so anything in respect to the disappearance of the icon?
[22:49] <aveilleux> sealance: Not to my knowledge. Keep poking around between the icons.
[22:50] <aveilleux> sealance: I don't use indicator-applet (I use Notification Area), so idunno
[22:50] <sealance> aveilleux: ok, well i'm unfamiliar with all of them, so if anything is out there that can help me get wireless on my laptop, whatever it is I'll use it :)
[22:50] <aveilleux> sealance: Do you use the mail icon?
[22:51] <sealance> aveilleux: right now I don't use anything
[22:53] <aveilleux> sealance: Okay, then you can safely remove it. Let me write a guide real quick...
[22:54] <sealance> aveilleux: thank you!
[23:04] <aveilleux> sealance: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/aveilleux/MiscGuides#preview
[23:10] <sealance> aveilleux: ok, did that, now i have a volume control and a battery icon, still no sign of wireless
[23:10] <sealance> should i make another one but instead of volume write gnome-network-manager in the command?
[23:10] <aveilleux> sealance: no, that'll just duplicate it. Keep trying. I know it's there
[23:11] <aveilleux> sealance: Move one pixel at a time
[23:11] <sealance> found it
[23:12] <aveilleux> sealance: When you join a network, the icon will come back
[23:12] <sealance> aveilleux: says enable networking, enable wireless, enable notifications, connection information, edit conections...  and about
[23:12] <sealance> ok, well how do I join a network?
[23:12] <aveilleux> sealance: Enable wireless
[23:12] <sealance> theres a tick next to it
[23:12] <aveilleux> sealance: er wait
[23:12] <sealance> should be enabled
[23:12] <aveilleux> sealance: stay on that spot, then normal-click
[23:13] <sealance> ok
[23:13] <aveilleux> sealance: Then a list of networks should pop up
[23:13] <sealance> nope, under wireless says disconnected in dark black, then jumps to vpn connections
[23:13] <aveilleux> yeah, you need to join a network
[23:14] <sealance> sorry, how do I do that?
[23:14] <aveilleux> sealance: Does your router broadcast its SSID?
[23:14] <sealance> wow, you got me there, if SSID is the name, then yes, under Jazztel Wireless
[23:15] <aveilleux> sealance: Now we're into the actual usage of network-manager-gnome, which I am unfortunately unfamiliar with
[23:15] <aveilleux> sealance: Since I haven't used it for over a year
[23:16] <sealance> aveilleux: oh well, thank you so much for helping me out on this
[23:17] <sealance> know anybody familiar with the network manager gnome?
[23:17] <aveilleux> sealance: You've gotten this far, I'm sure you can figure it out lol
[23:17] <aveilleux> Open message to the room, someone help sealance on how to use network-manager-gnome
[23:17] <sealance> yeah, i've gotten this far cause people helped me :P but thanks :)
[23:18] <aveilleux> sealance: No problem
[23:18] <johnny77> sealance: did you find the icon?
[23:18] <sealance> yeah, well its hidded but I can locate it
[23:18] <aveilleux> sealance: The machine I'm on right now is actually tethered to the wired network because it'd need ndiswrapper to use the wireless chipset
[23:19] <johnny77> sealance: what do you see when you left click the icon?
[23:19] <g00dness> i create a partition and i don't know to edit what shall i chose "use as : ext3 " ?
[23:19] <sealance> aveilleux: well I'd do othe same, just that at home i share wireless with my neighbours and I move around a lot, so hotels, workplaces, bars, all are wireless :)
[23:19] <aveilleux> g00dness: Can you not let Ubuntu automatically partition?
[23:19] <g00dness> i have 2 partition
[23:19] <g00dness> 1 ubuntu
[23:20] <g00dness> and 1 backtrack
[23:20] <sealance> johnny77: in dark i see wired network, device not managed, wireless networks, disconnected, and in white VPN connections, connect to hidden wireless network, create new wireless network
[23:20] <aveilleux> g00dness: There should be an option to resize the existing partition and use the freed space
[23:20] <aveilleux> sealance: OH
[23:20] <aveilleux> sealance: I know this one!
[23:20] <g00dness> aveilleux i 'm started from 0
[23:20] <g00dness> ;)
[23:21] <g00dness> i'm here at partition edit , "use at : ......... " and "mount point: ..........."
[23:21] <g00dness> i don't know what to choose
[23:21] <aveilleux> g00dness: Use as ext3 and mount point /
[23:22] <sealance> aveilleux: yes? lol
[23:22] <aveilleux> sealance: Just gotta find the right file to edit, 1 sec
[23:22] <g00dness> tu aveilleux
[23:22] <g00dness> ty*
[23:22] <sealance> aveilleux, you might just be god hah
[23:22] <g00dness>  this the same and for the 2'nd partition ?
[23:23] <aveilleux> sealance: in Terminal, gksudo gedit /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
[23:23] <aveilleux> sealance: Change managed=false to managed=true
[23:23] <aveilleux> sealance: Then log out and log back in again
[23:23] <aveilleux> sealance: The caps are important
[23:24] <aveilleux> g00dness: No, use as: do not use for that one
[23:24] <g00dness> aveilleux ok
[23:24] <sealance> aveilleux: NetworkManager.conf is empty
[23:25] <aveilleux> sealance: Er, then something was misspelled
[23:25] <aveilleux> sealance: Close without saving
[23:25] <sealance> willdo
[23:25] <aveilleux> sealance: do this: gksudo gedit /etc/Netw<tab>/Net<tab> (keep typing if a single tab doesn't complete the file)
[23:27] <g00dness> aveilleux swap spase recommended ??
[23:27] <g00dness> space*
[23:27] <sealance> aveilleux: cool, did that, first one autocompleted, the .conf file didnt and had to manually retype it
[23:28] <aveilleux> g00dness: It's not entirely necessary anymore
[23:28] <g00dness> a ok si go forward
[23:28] <g00dness> so*
[23:28] <aveilleux> sealance: Okay, so you opened the file and it had contents
[23:28] <aveilleux> g00dness: Sure
[23:28] <g00dness> ty
[23:28] <sealance> aveilleux: no, it didnt't
[23:28] <sealance> aveilleux: shouldnt the file be names nm-system-settings.conf?
[23:29] <aveilleux> sealance: once you get to NetworkManager/ hit Tab twice and see what files are there
[23:29] <aveilleux> sealance: It may have changed
[23:29] <aveilleux> sealance: What are the files that are listed"
[23:29] <aveilleux> ?
[23:29] <sealance> aveilleux: yup, only 1 file, nm-system-settings.conf
[23:29] <sealance> that on?
[23:30] <sealance> aveilleux: ok, changed from false to true
[23:30] <sealance> and i'll log back in
[23:30] <aveilleux> sealance: Yep
[23:32] <sealance> aveilleux: whazzam! theres a nice wireless icon on the bar
[23:32] <sealance> aveilleux, with a ! sign
[23:32] <aveilleux> sealance: What's the warning
[23:33] <sealance> aveilleux: no idea, is it a warning?
[23:33] <sealance> aveilleux: probably telling me it ain't conencted
[23:33] <aveilleux> sealance: Left-click and see if any networks show up
[23:35] <sealance> aveilleux: nothing
[23:35] <aveilleux> sealance: What about if you hover over "Wireless"?
[23:37] <sealance> aveilleux: nothing, plus its very dark and grayish, like disabled-like
[23:38] <aveilleux> hm
[23:39] <sealance> very weird indeed
[23:39] <sealance> any ideas?
[23:40] <rcconf> use ethernet cable
[23:40] <rcconf> :p
[23:41] <aveilleux> sealance: Hm, I'm really not sure.
[23:41] <sealance> rcconf: I would if i could
[23:41] <johnny77> sealance: what do you see if you run sudo iwconfig in terminal?
[23:41] <sealance> for lo and eth0 no wireless extensions
[23:42] <sealance> and some info on wlan0
[23:42] <johnny77> do you see mode for wlan0?
[23:42] <johnny77> what does it say?
[23:43] <sealance> managed
[23:45] <sealance> johnny77: need anything else from wlan0?
[23:46] <johnny77> sealance: I think aveilleux was trying to set the mode to managed. I was just checking to see what it currently is set.
[23:46] <sealance> johnny77: yeah, we changed it from managed=false to true
[23:47] <johnny77> sealance: Does wlan0 list the correct ESSID?
[23:48] <sealance> johnny: I don't know what an ESSID is, but it says ESSID:off/any
[23:50] <johnny77> sealance: Just so i understand what exactly do you see between Wireless Networks and VPN Connections when you left-click?
[23:50] <rcconf> sealance: ESSID is where you connect to
[23:50] <rcconf> name of wireless access point
[23:51] <rcconf> johnny77: his problem is wireless drivers
[23:51] <sealance> rcconf: thanks
[23:52] <johnny77> rcconf: I was thinking that aveilleux set him up with the correct drivers.
[23:52] <johnny77> I thought he was having trouble getting gnome-network-manager to see his wireless connection.
[23:53] <rcconf> sealance: were you successful with ndiswrapper?
[23:54] <sealance> rcconf: what do you mean by successful? I don't see any wireless signals, but on the ndisgtk it says theres a driver installed
[23:54] <rcconf> sealance: does it detect your wireless'
[23:54] <rcconf> ?
[23:54] <sealance> no, i'm unable to detect any signals at all
[23:54] <rcconf> sealance: are you using network manager applet?
[23:55] <sealance> whats that?
[23:55] <rcconf> sealance: nm-applet
[23:55] <sealance> rcconf: how can I tell?
[23:55] <rcconf> sealance: alt+f
[23:56] <rcconf> and type nm-applet
[23:56] <rcconf> to open it
[23:56] <sealance> alt+f?
[23:56] <sealance> nothing happens
[23:57] <sealance> but on the terminal it says its already running
[23:58] <sealance> rcconf: and it said warning, can't initialize d.bus
[23:59] <rcconf> sealance: because network-manager service is not running
[23:59] <rcconf> sealance: try type sudo service network-manager start