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| Error404NotFound | I am getting http://pastebin.com/hC1tzxBP on every boot, what is this? | 04:41 |
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| * flaccid goes to look | 04:43 | |
| flaccid | well thats cloud-init | 04:43 |
| flaccid | mountall: Event failed is a bit of a concern | 04:43 |
| flaccid | the cloud-init fail could be a bug in cloud-init | 04:43 |
| flaccid | smoser or erichammond are the people to see about cloud-init. is this the latest official maverick AMI? | 04:44 |
| flaccid | also, are you putting any user data in the launch? | 04:45 |
| Error404NotFound | nope, its the official cannocial one. | 04:50 |
| flaccid | what does that mean? | 04:50 |
| flaccid | flaccid: smoser or erichammond are the people to see about cloud-init. is this the latest official maverick AMI? | 04:51 |
| flaccid | [2:45pm] flaccid: also, are you putting any user data in the launch? | 04:51 |
| Error404NotFound | Its the latest official and i am not putting any user data. | 04:51 |
| flaccid | looks like 2 bugs | 04:51 |
| Error404NotFound | hmm | 04:52 |
| Error404NotFound | checked with 32bit AMI as well, exact same error. | 04:55 |
| flaccid | if its the latest AMIs and you have not done anything additional, then submit bugs to ubuntu | 04:56 |
| flaccid | let me launch one and so i can confirm it | 04:58 |
| flaccid | Error404NotFound: i can confirm it. the messages we are seeing may be intentional, but i don't think that cloud-init-local should return non-zero if no user data is found | 05:06 |
| Error404NotFound | btw, with t1.micro instance there is not swap or /mnt ? | 05:07 |
| Error404NotFound | flaccid: great | 05:07 |
| flaccid | i'm not familiar with mountall, but i've seen it stay resident and leak | 05:07 |
| flaccid | and i don't see a need for it | 05:07 |
| flaccid | Error404NotFound: correct - you may want to read the instance types page on the aws site | 05:07 |
| flaccid | i also noticed these: | 05:07 |
| flaccid | * Starting AppArmor profiles [80G 2011-03-28 04:00:52,257 - DataSourceEc2.py[WARNING]: unable to convert swap to a device | 05:08 |
| flaccid | 2011-03-28 04:00:52,268 - cc_mounts.py[WARNING]: 'mount -a' failed | 05:08 |
| Error404NotFound | yup | 05:08 |
| Error404NotFound | that as well | 05:08 |
| flaccid | not a very clean boot i must say | 05:08 |
| flaccid | there is [ 0.210128] /build/buildd/linux-2.6.35/drivers/rtc/hctosys.c: unable to open rtc device (rtc0) but i know this bug and will be submitting a but on it soon so we can fix it in debian and ubuntu. archlinux fixed it ages ago. | 05:09 |
| Error404NotFound | it also adds /dev/sdb as /mnt in fstab even though t1.micro doesn't have it. | 05:09 |
| flaccid | so please submit bugs for all of the above | 05:09 |
| flaccid | heh, yeah that is a logical bug | 05:09 |
| flaccid | in my debian images i use hd00 and a swap partition so none of this stuff occurs | 05:10 |
| DroBuddy | Hello room | 07:41 |
| DroBuddy | I'm in the process of setting up UEC on a HP Pavillion p6774y with a Realtek 8101E/8102E ethernet card and a RaLink Wireless N card, but have been unable to get an Internet connection to even run sudo update; sudo upgrade. The wireless abg works under Win7 but I've been unable to get it to work on CentOS 5.5, UEC latest and desktop Linux Mint (x64 for all installs). I would greatly | 07:43 |
| DroBuddy | appreciate any help and/or insight the community may have to offer | 07:43 |
| flaccid | DroBuddy: you might want to go to #ubuntu . sudo update and sudo upgrade are not valid commands | 07:48 |
| koolhead11 | DroBuddy, lspci | 07:49 |
| DroBuddy | Hrm, I may be mistaken on those commands as I have not had a chance to connect to the internet... So, I was simply trying to recall from the top of my head. But, nonetheless, thank you very much. I'll go give it a shot.. | 07:49 |
| DroBuddy | the lspci is... | 07:49 |
| flaccid | rtfm | 07:49 |
| DroBuddy | Ah, sorry, I'm in the process of reinstalling.. Ner.. It's been a long day of messing with this. | 07:49 |
| DroBuddy | I'm almost to the poing where I'm going to run ethernet down to my basement... | 07:50 |
| DroBuddy | point* | 07:50 |
| koolhead11 | DroBuddy, http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=336%C2%A0 | 07:51 |
| DroBuddy | In the tutorials for setting up a cloud they should include like 7x12 backs of beer, at a minimum... But, I digress. | 07:51 |
| DroBuddy | I'll check it out. | 07:51 |
| flaccid | UEC is kind of not of any relevance until you have your network card working.. | 07:51 |
| DroBuddy | Exactly :) | 07:52 |
| flaccid | well eucalyptus is very buggy | 07:52 |
| flaccid | whereis cloudstack is not. | 07:52 |
| koolhead11 | flaccid, +1 | 07:53 |
| DroBuddy | Can I have the cloud controller and a node installed on the same machine for testing purposes? I know CentOS install didnt complain, but logistically speaking... | 07:53 |
| flaccid | DroBuddy: no. | 07:53 |
| DroBuddy | The game plan is to have a server OS to host the VMs, as well as, my LAMPP stack. The VMs will only be used for mundane tasks like Modding, etc. | 07:54 |
| DroBuddy | Hrm, damn. | 07:54 |
| DroBuddy | I better start throwing some stuff together... | 07:54 |
| flaccid | kind of defeats the purpose of a cloud if you aint going to put your lamp in there etc. | 07:54 |
| DroBuddy | Well, the idea was to have LAMPP universally available when I load a VM for web dev, or asterisk, OpenCRM, etc. | 07:55 |
| DroBuddy | The host would also be running openQRM, as well. That's what I plan on using to remotely initiate VMs | 07:55 |
| DroBuddy | But, this is simply for testing more than anything | 07:56 |
| flaccid | not sure what that means, but each instance can do whatever you want it to do | 07:56 |
| DroBuddy | I'd like to see it work before I scale it. | 07:56 |
| flaccid | ec2 works much better or if you want private cloud, cloudstack. but i wish you the best of luck with eucalyptus. | 07:56 |
| DroBuddy | Basically, the server would always be on but the VMs would not necesarily always be running. As such, I want LAMPP running 24/7, irregardless of whether or not a VM instance is running | 07:57 |
| flaccid | instances can run 24x7. | 07:57 |
| flaccid | if the host OS crashes, so do instances. | 07:57 |
| DroBuddy | Yeah, really, I'm trying to centralize my web development files, and have a few VMs for specialized tasks... But, I just started dabbling with this the other day | 07:58 |
| flaccid | np | 07:58 |
| DroBuddy | flaccid: Well, I understand that and I do not currently have any plans for redundancy, but this is just a test to see of it is the most efficent and economical way forward. | 07:58 |
| DroBuddy | Sorry, I have a very slow Internet connection... Which also defeats the purpose of a cloud.. Other than private use. | 07:59 |
| flaccid | the problem with eucalyptus is getting to work first and then having it be of some reliance. | 08:00 |
| soren | Depends on how you look at it. In many cases, having only limited bandwidth is a reason *for* doing cloud. | 08:00 |
| DroBuddy | soren: Exactly why I'm trying to centralize things on my side, really... | 08:00 |
| flaccid | yeah its not like a cloud needs to be on the net if its for doing local tasks | 08:00 |
| DroBuddy | That includes my PS3/Xbox360 Media server... lol; | 08:01 |
| DroBuddy | God bless FOSS :) | 08:01 |
| DroBuddy | Well, back to it. I'll be back when I get things set up which will hopefully be sooner than later | 08:05 |
| flaccid | there is no god, certainly not one that blesses FOSS. | 08:29 |
| kim0 | Morning everyone | 09:00 |
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| Error404NotFound | erichammond: you would have got yourself a cloud-init bug report :) | 11:41 |
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| koolhead11 | smoser, aroun? | 12:52 |
| koolhead11 | d | 12:52 |
| kim0 | koolhead11: just leave him a question in the channel | 12:57 |
| kim0 | he'll get to it whenever possible .. others might be able to help too | 12:57 |
| koolhead11 | kim0, i am not sure if am doing some stupid mistake | 13:08 |
| kim0 | koolhead11: put your question in the channel man :) | 13:09 |
| koolhead11 | kim0, i think i will do some brain storming b4 putting it. | 13:10 |
| * koolhead11 gives another 10 mins | 13:10 | |
| kim0 | yeah sure | 13:10 |
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| koolhead11 | kim0, so i had had not sourced my novarc and thats why i was not able to start image | 13:18 |
| kim0 | yaay : | 13:26 |
| kim0 | :) | 13:26 |
| smoser | koolhead11, here now | 13:38 |
| koolhead11 | smoser, i was trying to run instance from the ttylinux and was not able to get the image | 13:46 |
| smoser | not able to get ? | 13:46 |
| kim0 | "start" .. but I think it's started now | 13:48 |
| koolhead11 | smoser, yes its started now | 13:49 |
| smoser | k | 13:49 |
| koolhead11 | i have to source my novarc file | 13:49 |
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| ubuntucloud093 | hi | 14:47 |
| ubuntucloud093 | this is neo | 14:47 |
| ubuntucloud293 | hi | 14:48 |
| ubuntucloud093 | jdfkasf | 14:48 |
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| aliguori | kirkland, do you have a pointer to a howto that describes doing an automated ubuntu install in kvm? preferrably, without requiring a network connection? | 15:12 |
| aliguori | if the later possible? | 15:12 |
| kirkland | aliguori: i gave this to hallyn last week, actually | 15:13 |
| kirkland | aliguori: i can get it to you, but it does require a network connection | 15:13 |
| aliguori | kirkland, okay, does it take a command line parameter like ks? if so, can you point it to local media (cd or floppy)? | 15:14 |
| aliguori | or does it always do an http request for the answer file? | 15:14 |
| kirkland | aliguori: that network connection, however, could just be the kvm host itself running apache local | 15:14 |
| kirkland | aliguori: actually, yes, you could also build a floppy.img with the preseed | 15:14 |
| aliguori | okay, excellent :-) | 15:14 |
| kirkland | aliguori: here, let me give you this.... | 15:14 |
| kirkland | aliguori: add these command line parameters: "priority=critical local=EN_US url=http://bit.ly/ubuntu-nqa" | 15:16 |
| kirkland | aliguori: to an ubuntu server, alternate, or mini ISO | 15:16 |
| aliguori | excellent | 15:16 |
| aliguori | kirkland, thanks! | 15:16 |
| kirkland | aliguori: note that the url param | 15:16 |
| kirkland | aliguori: you can grab the preseed file I've put at that bit.ly link | 15:16 |
| kirkland | aliguori: and host it local, on http://10.0.2.2/foo | 15:16 |
| kirkland | aliguori: or put that into a floppy.img | 15:17 |
| kirkland | aliguori: smoser has experience building a floppy.img | 15:17 |
| kirkland | aliguori: with boot stuffs in it | 15:17 |
| kirkland | aliguori: one sec | 15:17 |
| aliguori | kirkland, i can google my way there, i've got scripts that do the floppy creation for fedora so it should be easy to adapt | 15:17 |
| kirkland | aliguori: local= should be "locale=" | 15:17 |
| aliguori | ah, that makes more sense :-) | 15:17 |
| kirkland | aliguori: okay, ... here you go ... | 15:21 |
| kirkland | aliguori: 1) boot server ISO | 15:21 |
| kirkland | aliguori: hit ESC, then F6 for more kernel options | 15:22 |
| kirkland | aliguori: add to kernel opts: "priority=critical locale=en_US url=http://bit.ly/ubuntu-nqa" | 15:23 |
| kirkland | aliguori: install should proceed "nqa" no-questions-asked | 15:23 |
| kirkland | aliguori: as for getting around that first ESC/F6, I *think* you can probably get around that by giving KVM a kernel, initrd, and kernel param options | 15:23 |
| kirkland | aliguori: and use a floppy.img for those, plus the preseed file | 15:24 |
| kirkland | aliguori: i'm asked the first part of that question a lot, so I'm going to go and make a blog post | 15:24 |
| hallyn | so, would the thing to do be to codify the use of that preseed in a autotest/client/tests/kvm/steps/Ubuntu-11.04.steps file? | 15:28 |
| kim0 | This page has info on booting kvm with direct kernel/initrd: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC/Images/KVMKernelOptions | 15:40 |
| kim0 | kirkland: ^ if you needed that | 15:40 |
| kim0 | hmm .. that's probably more for booting uec images that installers | 15:41 |
| kim0 | than* | 15:41 |
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| kirkland | aliguori: did you have a chance to play with that at all? | 18:22 |
| kirkland | aliguori: does that get you anywhere further along the line? | 18:22 |
| aliguori | not yet, but will in a bit | 18:24 |
| aliguori | i just wanted to have an automated ubuntu install script for testing purposes | 18:24 |
| SpamapS | hallyn-afk: when you get back.. I'm interested in using lxc in a similar manner to schroot. Wondering if you have any experience doing that. | 18:31 |
| hallyn-afk | SpamapS: actually i'v enot quite left yet, gotta right about now, but | 18:34 |
| hallyn-afk | to use it as schroot, my plan was to use LVM snapshots | 18:34 |
| hallyn-afk | SpamapS: so yeah, let's chat when i get back | 18:35 |
| SpamapS | hallyn-afk: cool ttyl | 18:50 |
| SpamapS | mathiaz: ^5! howdy | 18:50 |
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| mathiaz | SpamapS: hi! | 19:18 |
| mathiaz | SpamapS: I've got a question related to memcache: | 19:18 |
| mathiaz | SpamapS: when it comes to clear memcache upon deploy new code what does make more sense: restart memcached or flush memcached? | 19:19 |
| SpamapS | mathiaz: flush | 19:21 |
| SpamapS | mathiaz: usually.. sometimes restart is better because it will force slab reallocation.. | 19:21 |
| SpamapS | mathiaz: depends on if you expect the new code to drastically alter the memory access patterns. | 19:22 |
| mathiaz | SpamapS: right - It seems that flush wouldn't expire keys set in the last second | 19:22 |
| SpamapS | mathiaz: and my info may be outdated.. I seem to recall reading that the slab allocation is more dynamic now. | 19:22 |
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| SpamapS | mathiaz: in the past to make rolling upgrades less painful I had a 'cache_version' component to all cache keys, and if I wanted to force new caching.. I just bumped that.. so rolling upgrades would gradually populate the new cache | 19:23 |
| SpamapS | mathiaz: which was important, because we had jobs that would run for 30-40 hours | 19:24 |
| SpamapS | if the serialized data suddenly changed on them.. they'd freak out and have to be restarted | 19:25 |
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| jeremydei | ubuntu-one svc unavailable? ouch .. | 20:15 |
| hallyn | SpamapS: all right, so have you started anything? Did you have anything in particular in mind? | 20:21 |
| hallyn | SpamapS: i think what i'd probably do is ship a new set of lxc templates | 20:21 |
| hallyn | put the smarts in there | 20:21 |
| SpamapS | hallyn: no I've done nothing but I figured you would have thoughts | 20:22 |
| SpamapS | hallyn: my thinking is that the only difference is you need to run 'lxc-start /mounted/whatever/sbin/init' instead of 'chroot /mounted/whatever/bin/bash' | 20:23 |
| hallyn | SpamapS: i'm thinking you have a canonical container for each release, i.e. clean-natty, etc, | 20:23 |
| hallyn | SpamapS: they sit each on an LVM partition, and you create a working container by doing | 20:24 |
| SpamapS | hallyn: schroot does that | 20:24 |
| SpamapS | see schroot does *all* of this | 20:24 |
| hallyn | lxc-create -n apache-natty -t natty-build - | 20:24 |
| hallyn | yes, it does | 20:24 |
| hallyn | but it doesn't give you network namespaces | 20:24 |
| hallyn | but if you want to use schroot, just use it, don't argue with me :) | 20:24 |
| SpamapS | Right but we can build that in can't we? ;) | 20:24 |
| hallyn | <blink> | 20:25 |
| hallyn | i think kees was looking at that | 20:25 |
| SpamapS | I want an slxc basically ;) | 20:25 |
| hallyn | pretty much what i was going to do | 20:25 |
| hallyn | except based on the lxc code instead of based on schroot code | 20:25 |
| SpamapS | ah | 20:26 |
| SpamapS | I figured schroot already had most of the machinery necessary | 20:26 |
| hallyn | anyway, i think we're best of with you following up on your direction, me on mine, then we conmpare notes | 20:26 |
| hallyn | does schroot sitll require aufs? | 20:26 |
| hallyn | one of my motivations is to avoid that | 20:26 |
| SpamapS | require, no | 20:27 |
| hallyn | to modify schroot, the simple part would jsut be replacing the clone with clone(CLONE_NEWNS|CLONE_NEWPID|CLONE_NEWNET|CLONE_NEWUTS) | 20:27 |
| SpamapS | aufs is *awesome* tho | 20:27 |
| SpamapS | sure its slower.. | 20:27 |
| SpamapS | and can't do long filenames | 20:27 |
| hallyn | the more complicated part would be the setting up of the network | 20:27 |
| SpamapS | but not having to rebuild the system to have LVM configured is a nice feature :) | 20:27 |
| hallyn | yup, it's sort of why i haven't done this yet :) | 20:28 |
| hallyn | now LVM really isn't necessary, | 20:28 |
| hallyn | lxc-create right now takes a few seconds | 20:28 |
| hallyn | but i'd still like it to be faster :) | 20:28 |
| SpamapS | well I'm less concerned about adding any speedto the equation. I just want instant containers so I can test upstart jobs without the b0rked up chroot support | 20:29 |
| hallyn | SpamapS: ok, you already have that | 20:30 |
| hallyn | just do as in http://s3hh.wordpress.com/2010/06/18/lxc-0-7-0/ | 20:30 |
| hallyn | using '-t natty' in place of '-t ubuntu' | 20:31 |
| SpamapS | hallyn: hawt | 20:33 |
| hallyn | SpamapS: all right, actually i think all that I want is a new 'clone' template | 20:42 |
| hallyn | SpamapS: (which is just about written now, took all of 5 mins :) | 20:42 |
| hallyn | SpamapS: so i can keep a 'nattydevel' container around, and quickly clone a new one-off container from that to build a package or reproduce a bug | 20:43 |
| hallyn | gotta run downstairs to the other 'lab', bbl | 20:43 |
| SpamapS | hallyn: I'd really like for /home to be mapped in, and /etc/passwd to be copied in | 20:45 |
| hallyn | SpamapS: oh, yes, /home will be mapped in, are you sure you want /etc/passwd? | 20:45 |
| hallyn | SpamapS: actually so long as your prstine container does that, the cloned one will as well | 20:45 |
| SpamapS | hallyn: Yeah I want at least the non-system users duplicated so /home is usable | 20:56 |
| hallyn | SpamapS: all right, i'll blog a workflow that i think shoudl work for you | 20:57 |
| hallyn | still finishing up the script right now, really should go test vmware instead :) | 20:57 |
| SpamapS | hallyn: sweet | 20:59 |
| hallyn | curse xfs's slow deletion | 21:07 |
| flaccid | xfs rox | 21:10 |
| hallyn | flaccid: :) i'm still using it... | 21:15 |
| flaccid | as are many thousands :) | 21:16 |
| flaccid | xfs_freeze is something other filesystems don't have | 21:16 |
| kim0 | actually there was "fs_freeze" .. a generic one .. but it's probably not mature yet | 21:17 |
| flaccid | but if the filesystem can't do it, it can't do it i.e. kernel level. that sounds like a userspace hack | 21:17 |
| kim0 | http://manpages.courier-mta.org/htmlman8/fsfreeze.8.html | 21:18 |
| kim0 | flaccid: I believe it is kernel level | 21:18 |
| flaccid | not really. not for the filesystem itself and its only Linux Ext3/4, ReiserFS, JFS, XFS | 21:19 |
| flaccid | ZFS owns all of these with zfs snapshots :) | 21:19 |
| kim0 | yeah .. unfortunately crappy linux implementations | 21:21 |
| kim0 | zfs snaps were jaw dropping for me :) | 21:21 |
| kim0 | too bad they ended up @ Oracle | 21:21 |
| kim0 | obino: would you be interested in answering questions like http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1716308 :) | 21:23 |
| flaccid | freebsd runs in the ec2 cloud now thanks to colin@freebsd. working with aws and their ancient xen | 21:24 |
| kim0 | using zfs on that ? | 21:25 |
| flaccid | i think so. can't remember though | 21:26 |
| kim0 | flaccid: I meant are you doing it | 21:26 |
| flaccid | doing what exactly? | 21:27 |
| kim0 | using zfs on freebsd | 21:27 |
| kim0 | ENOCONTEXT :D | 21:27 |
| flaccid | i would if i had a need | 21:28 |
| kim0 | not sure why fbsd was brought up though | 21:28 |
| flaccid | because that is where you do zfs snapshot goodness | 21:30 |
| kim0 | or opensolaris :) | 21:32 |
| kim0 | indiana was it .. | 21:32 |
| * kim0 remembers Oracle again .. bleh | 21:32 | |
| flaccid | opensolaris has muchly deteriorated | 21:33 |
| kim0 | It's been killed I guess :) | 21:33 |
| kim0 | Waiting for Solaris11 to come out .. and hopefully get a code drop | 21:34 |
| flaccid | doesn't fit the public cloud at all though | 21:34 |
| kim0 | public cloud builders ? | 21:35 |
| flaccid | i don't see a public cloud supporting sparc.. | 21:35 |
| kim0 | solaris on x86 is big too | 21:36 |
| kim0 | hoping Illumos can bring that more light | 21:36 |
| flaccid | days are gone for solaris | 21:37 |
| kim0 | It's got a pretty decent kernel .. it looks mostly dead now, but will probably live in appliance form for years n years to come | 21:38 |
| kim0 | zfs, dtrace, crossbow ..etc are all almost non existent (unfortunately) in Linux | 21:39 |
| flaccid | this is why freebsd has the potential has its already in the cloud and on x86 | 21:40 |
| crazed | crossbow <3 | 22:55 |
| crazed | messing with crossbow tought me a crapton about networking | 22:55 |
| crazed | but not how to spell, s/tought/taught/ | 22:56 |
| kim0 | hheee :) | 22:56 |
| hallyn | SpamapS: http://s3hh.wordpress.com/2011/03/28/lxc-clone/ | 23:13 |
| flaccid | whats lxc? | 23:17 |
| hallyn | linux containers | 23:18 |
| hallyn | like an enhanced chroot. emulate having a virtual machine without emulating any hardware and no guest os | 23:18 |
| flaccid | ah i heard of these but not sure of what use they are | 23:19 |
| hallyn | flaccid: that's what i say about computers :) | 23:20 |
| hallyn | j/k | 23:20 |
| flaccid | hehe | 23:20 |
| flaccid | could you use a lxc as a replacement shell to give users a jail for ssh that is better than the average? | 23:24 |
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