[04:41] <Error404NotFound> I am getting http://pastebin.com/hC1tzxBP on every boot, what is this?
[04:43]  * flaccid goes to look
[04:43] <flaccid> well thats cloud-init
[04:43] <flaccid> mountall: Event failed is a bit of a concern
[04:43] <flaccid> the cloud-init fail could be a bug in cloud-init
[04:44] <flaccid> smoser or erichammond are the people to see about cloud-init. is this the latest official maverick AMI?
[04:45] <flaccid> also, are you putting any user data in the launch?
[04:50] <Error404NotFound> nope, its the official cannocial one.
[04:50] <flaccid> what does that mean?
[04:51] <flaccid> flaccid: smoser or erichammond are the people to see about cloud-init. is this the latest official maverick AMI?
[04:51] <flaccid> [2:45pm] flaccid: also, are you putting any user data in the launch?
[04:51] <Error404NotFound> Its the latest official and i am not putting any user data.
[04:51] <flaccid> looks like 2 bugs
[04:52] <Error404NotFound> hmm
[04:55] <Error404NotFound> checked with 32bit AMI as well, exact same error.
[04:56] <flaccid> if its the latest AMIs and you have not done anything additional, then submit bugs to ubuntu
[04:58] <flaccid> let me launch one and so i can confirm it
[05:06] <flaccid> Error404NotFound: i can confirm it. the messages we are seeing may be intentional, but i don't think that cloud-init-local should return non-zero if no user data is found
[05:07] <Error404NotFound> btw, with t1.micro instance there is not swap or /mnt ?
[05:07] <Error404NotFound> flaccid: great
[05:07] <flaccid> i'm not familiar with mountall, but i've seen it stay resident and leak
[05:07] <flaccid> and i don't see a need for it
[05:07] <flaccid> Error404NotFound: correct - you may want to read the instance types page on the aws site
[05:07] <flaccid> i also noticed these:
[05:08] <flaccid> * Starting AppArmor profiles       [80G 2011-03-28 04:00:52,257 - DataSourceEc2.py[WARNING]: unable to convert swap to a device
[05:08] <flaccid> 2011-03-28 04:00:52,268 - cc_mounts.py[WARNING]: 'mount -a' failed
[05:08] <Error404NotFound> yup
[05:08] <Error404NotFound> that as well
[05:08] <flaccid> not a very clean boot i must say
[05:09] <flaccid> there is [    0.210128] /build/buildd/linux-2.6.35/drivers/rtc/hctosys.c: unable to open rtc device (rtc0) but i know this bug and will be submitting a but on it soon so we can fix it in debian and ubuntu. archlinux fixed it ages ago.
[05:09] <Error404NotFound> it also adds /dev/sdb as /mnt in fstab even though t1.micro doesn't have it.
[05:09] <flaccid> so please submit bugs for all of the above
[05:09] <flaccid> heh, yeah that is a logical bug
[05:10] <flaccid> in my debian images i use hd00 and a swap partition so none of this stuff occurs
[07:41] <DroBuddy> Hello room
[07:43] <DroBuddy> I'm in the process of setting up UEC on a HP Pavillion p6774y with a Realtek 8101E/8102E ethernet card and a RaLink Wireless N card, but have been unable to get an Internet connection to even run sudo update; sudo upgrade. The wireless abg works under Win7 but I've been unable to get it to work on CentOS 5.5, UEC latest and desktop Linux Mint (x64 for all installs). I would greatly
[07:43] <DroBuddy> appreciate any help and/or insight the community may have to offer
[07:48] <flaccid> DroBuddy: you might want to go to #ubuntu . sudo update and sudo upgrade are not valid commands
[07:49] <koolhead11> DroBuddy, lspci
[07:49] <DroBuddy> Hrm, I may be mistaken on those commands as I have not had a chance to connect to the internet... So, I was simply trying to recall from the top of my head. But, nonetheless, thank you very much. I'll go give it a shot..
[07:49] <DroBuddy> the lspci is...
[07:49] <flaccid> rtfm
[07:49] <DroBuddy> Ah, sorry, I'm in the process of reinstalling.. Ner.. It's been a long day of messing with this.
[07:50] <DroBuddy> I'm almost to the poing where I'm going to run ethernet down to my basement...
[07:50] <DroBuddy> point*
[07:51] <koolhead11> DroBuddy, http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=336%C2%A0
[07:51] <DroBuddy> In the tutorials for setting up a cloud they should include like 7x12 backs of beer, at a minimum... But, I digress.
[07:51] <DroBuddy> I'll check it out.
[07:51] <flaccid> UEC is kind of not of any relevance until you have your network card working..
[07:52] <DroBuddy> Exactly :)
[07:52] <flaccid> well eucalyptus is very buggy
[07:52] <flaccid> whereis cloudstack is not.
[07:53] <koolhead11> flaccid, +1
[07:53] <DroBuddy> Can I have the cloud controller and a node installed on the same machine for testing purposes? I know CentOS install didnt complain, but logistically speaking...
[07:53] <flaccid> DroBuddy: no.
[07:54] <DroBuddy> The game plan is to have a server OS to host the VMs, as well as, my LAMPP stack. The VMs will only be used for mundane tasks like Modding, etc.
[07:54] <DroBuddy> Hrm, damn.
[07:54] <DroBuddy> I better start throwing some stuff together...
[07:54] <flaccid> kind of defeats the purpose of a cloud if you aint going to put your lamp in there etc.
[07:55] <DroBuddy> Well, the idea was to have LAMPP universally available when I load a VM for web dev, or asterisk, OpenCRM, etc.
[07:55] <DroBuddy> The host would also be running openQRM, as well. That's what I plan on using to remotely initiate VMs
[07:56] <DroBuddy> But, this is simply for testing more than anything
[07:56] <flaccid> not sure what that means, but each instance can do whatever you want it to do
[07:56] <DroBuddy> I'd like to see it work before I scale it.
[07:56] <flaccid> ec2 works much better or if you want private cloud, cloudstack. but i wish you the best of luck with eucalyptus.
[07:57] <DroBuddy> Basically, the server would always be on but the VMs would not necesarily always be running. As such, I want LAMPP running 24/7, irregardless of whether or not a VM instance is running
[07:57] <flaccid> instances can run 24x7.
[07:57] <flaccid> if the host OS crashes, so do instances.
[07:58] <DroBuddy> Yeah, really, I'm trying to centralize my web development files, and have a few VMs for specialized tasks... But, I just started dabbling with this the other day
[07:58] <flaccid> np
[07:58] <DroBuddy> flaccid: Well, I understand that and I do not currently have any plans for redundancy, but this is just a test to see of it is the most efficent and economical way forward.
[07:59] <DroBuddy> Sorry, I have a very slow Internet connection... Which also defeats the purpose of a cloud.. Other than private use.
[08:00] <flaccid> the problem with eucalyptus is getting to work first and then having it be of some reliance.
[08:00] <soren> Depends on how you look at it. In many cases, having only limited bandwidth is a reason *for* doing cloud.
[08:00] <DroBuddy> soren: Exactly why I'm trying to centralize things on my side, really...
[08:00] <flaccid> yeah its not like a cloud needs to be on the net if its for doing local tasks
[08:01] <DroBuddy> That includes my PS3/Xbox360 Media server... lol;
[08:01] <DroBuddy> God bless FOSS :)
[08:05] <DroBuddy> Well, back to it. I'll be back when I get things set up which will hopefully be sooner than later
[08:29] <flaccid> there is no god, certainly not one that blesses FOSS.
[09:00] <kim0> Morning everyone
[11:41] <Error404NotFound> erichammond: you would have got yourself a cloud-init bug report :)
[12:52] <koolhead11> smoser, aroun?
[12:52] <koolhead11> d
[12:57] <kim0> koolhead11: just leave him a question in the channel
[12:57] <kim0> he'll get to it whenever possible .. others might be able to help too
[13:08] <koolhead11> kim0, i am not sure if am doing some stupid mistake
[13:09] <kim0> koolhead11: put your question in the channel man :)
[13:10] <koolhead11> kim0, i think i will do some brain storming b4 putting it.
[13:10]  * koolhead11 gives another 10 mins
[13:10] <kim0> yeah sure
[13:18] <koolhead11> kim0, so i had had not sourced my novarc and thats why i was not able to start image
[13:26] <kim0> yaay :
[13:26] <kim0> :)
[13:38] <smoser> koolhead11, here now
[13:46] <koolhead11> smoser, i was trying to run instance from the ttylinux and was not able to get the image
[13:46] <smoser> not able to get ?
[13:48] <kim0> "start" .. but I think it's started now
[13:49] <koolhead11> smoser, yes its started now
[13:49] <smoser> k
[13:49] <koolhead11> i have to source my novarc file
[14:47] <ubuntucloud093> hi
[14:47] <ubuntucloud093> this is neo
[14:48] <ubuntucloud293> hi
[14:48] <ubuntucloud093> jdfkasf
[15:12] <aliguori> kirkland, do you have a pointer to a howto that describes doing an automated ubuntu install in kvm?  preferrably, without requiring a network connection?
[15:12] <aliguori> if the later possible?
[15:13] <kirkland> aliguori: i gave this to hallyn last week, actually
[15:13] <kirkland> aliguori: i can get it to you, but it does require a network connection
[15:14] <aliguori> kirkland, okay, does it take a command line parameter like ks?  if so, can you point it to local media (cd or floppy)?
[15:14] <aliguori> or does it always do an http request for the answer file?
[15:14] <kirkland> aliguori: that network connection, however, could just be the kvm host itself running apache local
[15:14] <kirkland> aliguori: actually, yes, you could also build a floppy.img with the preseed
[15:14] <aliguori> okay, excellent :-)
[15:14] <kirkland> aliguori: here, let me give you this....
[15:16] <kirkland> aliguori: add these command line parameters: "priority=critical local=EN_US url=http://bit.ly/ubuntu-nqa"
[15:16] <kirkland> aliguori: to an ubuntu server, alternate, or mini ISO
[15:16] <aliguori> excellent
[15:16] <aliguori> kirkland, thanks!
[15:16] <kirkland> aliguori: note that the url param
[15:16] <kirkland> aliguori: you can grab the preseed file I've put at that bit.ly link
[15:16] <kirkland> aliguori: and host it local, on http://10.0.2.2/foo
[15:17] <kirkland> aliguori: or put that into a floppy.img
[15:17] <kirkland> aliguori: smoser has experience building a floppy.img
[15:17] <kirkland> aliguori: with boot stuffs in it
[15:17] <kirkland> aliguori: one sec
[15:17] <aliguori> kirkland, i can google my way there, i've got scripts that do the floppy creation for fedora so it should be easy to adapt
[15:17] <kirkland> aliguori: local= should be "locale="
[15:17] <aliguori> ah, that makes more sense :-)
[15:21] <kirkland> aliguori: okay, ...  here you go ...
[15:21] <kirkland> aliguori: 1) boot server ISO
[15:22] <kirkland> aliguori: hit ESC, then F6 for more kernel options
[15:23] <kirkland> aliguori: add to kernel opts: "priority=critical locale=en_US url=http://bit.ly/ubuntu-nqa"
[15:23] <kirkland> aliguori: install should proceed "nqa"  no-questions-asked
[15:23] <kirkland> aliguori: as for getting around that first ESC/F6, I *think* you can probably get around that by giving KVM a kernel, initrd, and kernel param options
[15:24] <kirkland> aliguori: and use a floppy.img for those, plus the preseed file
[15:24] <kirkland> aliguori: i'm asked the first part of that question a lot, so I'm going to go and make a blog post
[15:28] <hallyn> so, would the thing to do be to codify the use of that preseed in a autotest/client/tests/kvm/steps/Ubuntu-11.04.steps file?
[15:40] <kim0> This page has info on booting kvm with direct kernel/initrd: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEC/Images/KVMKernelOptions
[15:40] <kim0> kirkland: ^ if you needed that
[15:41] <kim0> hmm .. that's probably more for booting uec images that installers
[15:41] <kim0> than*
[18:22] <kirkland> aliguori: did you have a chance to play with that at all?
[18:22] <kirkland> aliguori: does that get you anywhere further along the line?
[18:24] <aliguori> not yet, but will in a bit
[18:24] <aliguori> i just wanted to have an automated ubuntu install script for testing purposes
[18:31] <SpamapS> hallyn-afk: when you get back.. I'm interested in using lxc in a similar manner to schroot. Wondering if you have any experience doing that.
[18:34] <hallyn-afk> SpamapS: actually i'v enot quite left yet, gotta right about now, but
[18:34] <hallyn-afk> to use it as schroot, my plan was to use LVM snapshots
[18:35] <hallyn-afk> SpamapS: so yeah, let's chat when i get back
[18:50] <SpamapS> hallyn-afk: cool ttyl
[18:50] <SpamapS> mathiaz: ^5! howdy
[19:18] <mathiaz> SpamapS: hi!
[19:18] <mathiaz> SpamapS: I've got a question related to memcache:
[19:19] <mathiaz> SpamapS: when it comes to clear memcache upon deploy new code what does make more sense: restart memcached or flush memcached?
[19:21] <SpamapS> mathiaz: flush
[19:21] <SpamapS> mathiaz: usually.. sometimes restart is better because it will force slab reallocation..
[19:22] <SpamapS> mathiaz: depends on if you expect the new code to drastically alter the memory access patterns.
[19:22] <mathiaz> SpamapS: right - It seems that flush wouldn't expire keys set in the last second
[19:22] <SpamapS> mathiaz: and my info may be outdated.. I seem to recall reading that the slab allocation is more dynamic now.
[19:23] <SpamapS> mathiaz: in the past to make rolling upgrades less painful I had a 'cache_version' component to all cache keys, and if I wanted to force new caching.. I just bumped that.. so rolling upgrades would gradually populate the new cache
[19:24] <SpamapS> mathiaz: which was important, because we had jobs that would run for 30-40 hours
[19:25] <SpamapS> if the serialized data suddenly changed on them.. they'd freak out and have to be restarted
[20:15] <jeremydei> ubuntu-one svc unavailable? ouch ..
[20:21] <hallyn> SpamapS: all right, so have you started anything?  Did you have anything in particular in mind?
[20:21] <hallyn> SpamapS: i think what i'd probably do is ship a new set of lxc templates
[20:21] <hallyn> put the smarts in there
[20:22] <SpamapS> hallyn: no I've done nothing but I figured you would have thoughts
[20:23] <SpamapS> hallyn: my thinking is that the only difference is you need to run 'lxc-start /mounted/whatever/sbin/init' instead of 'chroot /mounted/whatever/bin/bash'
[20:23] <hallyn> SpamapS: i'm thinking you have a canonical container for each release, i.e. clean-natty, etc,
[20:24] <hallyn> SpamapS: they sit each on an LVM partition, and you create a working container by doing
[20:24] <SpamapS> hallyn: schroot does that
[20:24] <SpamapS> see schroot does *all* of this
[20:24] <hallyn> lxc-create -n apache-natty -t natty-build -
[20:24] <hallyn> yes, it does
[20:24] <hallyn> but it doesn't give you network namespaces
[20:24] <hallyn> but if you want to use schroot, just use it, don't argue with me :)
[20:24] <SpamapS> Right but we can build that in can't we? ;)
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[20:25] <hallyn> i think kees was looking at that
[20:25] <SpamapS> I want an slxc basically ;)
[20:25] <hallyn> pretty much what i was going to do
[20:25] <hallyn> except based on the lxc code instead of based on schroot code
[20:26] <SpamapS> ah
[20:26] <SpamapS> I figured schroot already had most of the machinery necessary
[20:26] <hallyn> anyway, i think we're best of with you following up on your direction, me on mine, then we conmpare notes
[20:26] <hallyn> does schroot sitll require aufs?
[20:26] <hallyn> one of my motivations is to avoid that
[20:27] <SpamapS> require, no
[20:27] <hallyn> to modify schroot, the simple part would jsut be replacing the clone with clone(CLONE_NEWNS|CLONE_NEWPID|CLONE_NEWNET|CLONE_NEWUTS)
[20:27] <SpamapS> aufs is *awesome* tho
[20:27] <SpamapS> sure its slower..
[20:27] <SpamapS> and can't do long filenames
[20:27] <hallyn> the more complicated part would be the setting up of the network
[20:27] <SpamapS> but not having to rebuild the system to have LVM configured is a nice feature :)
[20:28] <hallyn> yup, it's sort of why i haven't done this yet :)
[20:28] <hallyn> now LVM really isn't necessary,
[20:28] <hallyn> lxc-create right now takes a few seconds
[20:28] <hallyn> but i'd still like it to be faster :)
[20:29] <SpamapS> well I'm less concerned about adding any speedto the equation. I just want instant containers so I can test upstart jobs without the b0rked up chroot support
[20:30] <hallyn> SpamapS: ok, you already have that
[20:30] <hallyn> just do as in http://s3hh.wordpress.com/2010/06/18/lxc-0-7-0/
[20:31] <hallyn> using '-t natty' in place of '-t ubuntu'
[20:33] <SpamapS> hallyn: hawt
[20:42] <hallyn> SpamapS: all right, actually i think all that I want is a new 'clone' template
[20:42] <hallyn> SpamapS: (which is just about written now, took all of 5 mins :)
[20:43] <hallyn> SpamapS: so i can keep a 'nattydevel' container around, and quickly clone a new one-off container from that to build a package or reproduce a bug
[20:43] <hallyn> gotta run downstairs to the other 'lab', bbl
[20:45] <SpamapS> hallyn: I'd really like for /home to be mapped in, and /etc/passwd to be copied in
[20:45] <hallyn> SpamapS: oh, yes, /home will be mapped in, are you sure you want /etc/passwd?
[20:45] <hallyn> SpamapS: actually so long as your prstine container does that, the cloned one will as well
[20:56] <SpamapS> hallyn: Yeah I want at least the non-system users duplicated so /home is usable
[20:57] <hallyn> SpamapS: all right, i'll blog a workflow that i think shoudl work for you
[20:57] <hallyn> still finishing up the script right now, really should go test vmware instead :)
[20:59] <SpamapS> hallyn: sweet
[21:07] <hallyn> curse xfs's slow deletion
[21:10] <flaccid> xfs rox
[21:15] <hallyn> flaccid: :)  i'm still using it...
[21:16] <flaccid> as are many thousands :)
[21:16] <flaccid> xfs_freeze is something other filesystems don't have
[21:17] <kim0> actually there was "fs_freeze" .. a generic one .. but it's probably not mature yet
[21:17] <flaccid> but if the filesystem can't do it, it can't do it i.e. kernel level. that sounds like a userspace hack
[21:18] <kim0> http://manpages.courier-mta.org/htmlman8/fsfreeze.8.html
[21:18] <kim0> flaccid: I believe it is kernel level
[21:19] <flaccid> not really. not for the filesystem itself and its only Linux Ext3/4, ReiserFS, JFS, XFS
[21:19] <flaccid> ZFS owns all of these with zfs snapshots :)
[21:21] <kim0> yeah .. unfortunately crappy linux implementations
[21:21] <kim0> zfs snaps were jaw dropping for me :)
[21:21] <kim0> too bad they ended up @ Oracle
[21:23] <kim0> obino: would you be interested in answering questions like http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1716308 :)
[21:24] <flaccid> freebsd runs in the ec2 cloud now thanks to colin@freebsd. working with aws and their ancient xen
[21:25] <kim0> using zfs on that ?
[21:26] <flaccid> i think so. can't remember though
[21:26] <kim0> flaccid: I meant are you doing it
[21:27] <flaccid> doing what exactly?
[21:27] <kim0> using zfs on freebsd
[21:27] <kim0> ENOCONTEXT :D
[21:28] <flaccid> i would if i had a need
[21:28] <kim0> not sure why fbsd was brought up though
[21:30] <flaccid> because that is where you do zfs snapshot goodness
[21:32] <kim0> or opensolaris :)
[21:32] <kim0> indiana was it ..
[21:32]  * kim0 remembers Oracle again .. bleh
[21:33] <flaccid> opensolaris has muchly deteriorated
[21:33] <kim0> It's been killed I guess :)
[21:34] <kim0> Waiting for Solaris11 to come out .. and hopefully get a code drop
[21:34] <flaccid> doesn't fit the public cloud at all though
[21:35] <kim0> public cloud builders ?
[21:35] <flaccid> i don't see a public cloud supporting sparc..
[21:36] <kim0> solaris on x86 is big too
[21:36] <kim0> hoping Illumos can bring that more light
[21:37] <flaccid> days are gone for solaris
[21:38] <kim0> It's got a pretty decent kernel .. it looks mostly dead now, but will probably live in appliance form for years n years to come
[21:39] <kim0> zfs, dtrace, crossbow ..etc are all almost non existent (unfortunately) in Linux
[21:40] <flaccid> this is why freebsd has the potential has its already in the cloud and on x86
[22:55] <crazed> crossbow <3
[22:55] <crazed> messing with crossbow tought me a crapton about networking
[22:56] <crazed> but not how to spell, s/tought/taught/
[22:56] <kim0> hheee :)
[23:13] <hallyn> SpamapS: http://s3hh.wordpress.com/2011/03/28/lxc-clone/
[23:17] <flaccid> whats lxc?
[23:18] <hallyn> linux containers
[23:18] <hallyn> like an enhanced chroot.  emulate having a virtual machine without emulating any hardware and no guest os
[23:19] <flaccid> ah i heard of these but not sure of what use they are
[23:20] <hallyn> flaccid: that's what i say about computers :)
[23:20] <hallyn> j/k
[23:20] <flaccid> hehe
[23:24] <flaccid> could you use a lxc as a replacement shell to give users a jail for ssh that is better than the average?