[00:03] <ajmitch> the 3d unity apparantly works in a modern virtualbox (4.x)
[00:03] <ibeardslee> was running virtualbox, but dropped it for kvm
[00:04] <ajmitch> why was that?
[00:05] <ibeardslee> easier to deal with getting machines to start up on boot, it's what we use on the servers
[00:06] <ajmitch> right
[00:07] <ajmitch> I only use it for casual desktop use
[00:07] <ibeardslee> "Sorry Unity 2D Launcher closed unexpectedly"
[00:08] <ibeardslee> I currently have 4 machines up most of the time and another 2 or 3 that do yo-yo impressions as I'm testing a linux desktop proof of concept
[00:08] <ibeardslee> err two machines up most of the time
[00:10] <ajmitch> I mostly just have windows running for awhile, virtualbox is simple enough to use, I don't really log out on the host
[00:11] <ibeardslee> ok
[00:11] <ibeardslee> I generally logout at the end of each day
[00:13] <ajmitch> having an ipv6 tunnel is useful for being able to access my work desktop from home as well :)
[00:15] <snail> is open.org.nz down for anyone else?
[00:15] <ajmitch> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/open.org.nz says it's dead
[00:16]  * ajmitch can't reach it from work either
[00:48]  * thumper wonders when to upgrade locally to natty
[00:51] <ibeardslee> did my home PC a couple of weekends back
[00:52]  * ajmitch might upgrade in a month or so
[00:53] <ibeardslee> I don't know what it is about my PCs and upgrades .. both my home PC and work PC have had to have the window manager started 'manually'
[00:53] <ajmitch> thumper: when's the next scnz-dunedin meeting likely to be?
[00:53] <thumper> when is the next dunlug?
[00:53] <thumper> I'm wanting to move the day to a tuesday
[00:54] <thumper> and I don't want to clash
[00:55] <ajmitch> next dunlug meeting is this wednesday, the next tuesday meeting for it is on the 12th
[00:56] <ajmitch> the distiller have something on thurs 7 about mobile development
[00:56] <thumper> yeah, saw that
[00:56] <thumper> I may even go
[04:35] <jhanafrog> it was good talking to you guys.  hope to talk again.  may the source be with you
[19:49] <ibeardslee> morning
[19:51] <ajmitch> morning
[19:57] <ibeardslee> does anyone use the full circle notifier?
[19:58] <ajmitch> nope, what is it?
[20:05] <ibeardslee> supposed to notify when the Full Circle Magazine has been released
[20:05] <ibeardslee> and optionally download it
[20:06] <ajmitch> ah, I don't read that, probably why I don't use the notifier :)
[20:21] <Atamira> morena
[20:32] <snail> morena atamira, kei te pehea koe?
[20:32] <Atamira> kei te pai e hoa. kei te pai :)
[20:33] <Atamira> sorry, was doing the email thing
[20:35] <Atamira> question, why use the full circle notifier or are you actually talking about the subscription thing that notifies you when the next one comes out?
[20:41] <ibeardslee> the application that notifies and can download the magzine and podcasts ec
[20:50] <Atamira> mmm..i downloaded calibre...i think its kinda clunky..will get the magazine this week, i might learn something
[20:51] <hads> Morning
[20:52] <snail> Atamira: what are you doing with calibre, we do a lot of ebook stuff here
[20:52] <Atamira> i was given a bunch of books. turned out to be 6000 epub books
[20:53] <Atamira> needed something to read them on and someone told me about calibre
[20:53] <Atamira> took nearly 10 hours to load them all into the program
[20:53] <Atamira> actually...i know it took longer than 5 hours. after that i went to bed. it finished sometime in the morning
[20:56] <snail> Atamira: calibre is a conversion program mainly, I don't know of anyone who uses it much for reading except to make sure things are working.
[20:56] <snail> Atamira: do you have a physical device to read from or are you reading from your computer screen?
[20:59] <Atamira> computer screen
[20:59] <Atamira> ive been tossing up which reader device to use
[20:59] <Atamira> i think i might just go with a netbook
[20:59] <Atamira> i dont want to use a variety of things that will do just one thing
[21:00] <Atamira> ie..ipod for music...kodo/kindle for bookreading
[21:00] <Atamira> from what i could see, the iphone isnt a drag and drop kinda thing
[21:00] <ibeardslee> I think a netbook has some of the same issues that a computer screen has as a reading device
[21:01] <ibeardslee> that keyboard just gets in the way
[21:01] <Atamira> netbook is small enough to take to bed if i want, and listen to music and read ebooks on
[21:01] <ibeardslee> makes it awkward to hold .. unless you want to be sitting up in bed with the netbook on the lap
[21:02] <Atamira> shrug no different to reading an actual book in bed
[21:02] <Atamira> but at least i can take it to bed if i want
[21:02] <ibeardslee> I like to lie on my side and read
[21:02] <ibeardslee> that is true
[21:02] <Atamira> on my pc i cant
[21:03] <ibeardslee> I think the age of the tablet is going to come through
[21:03] <snail> if you want to read 6000 ebooks, your eyes want you to buy a kindle / kobo / eReader
[21:03] <ibeardslee> more power.  With a bluetooth keyboard they are likely to start being able to replace the netbook
[21:04] <Atamira> what else can you do on kindle/kobo/eReader tho?
[21:04] <Atamira> just read a book?
[21:05] <snail> Atamira: most of them have audio and text-to-speech functionality
[21:05] <Atamira> id rather read a book
[21:05] <Atamira> i most often nod off if i listen to someone read to me
[21:06] <Atamira> they tend to drone on
[21:06] <Atamira> some books neway
[21:06] <hads> Morning
[21:06] <snail> Atamira: how much does 6000 pulp-of-murdered-tree books weigh?
[21:06] <Atamira> tonnes !!
[21:06] <hads> heh
[21:07] <Atamira> and carting them from country to country sucks !
[21:07] <Atamira> hence why im opting for digital books
[21:07] <Atamira> i hate having to leave books behind cause they wont fit in the luggage
[21:08] <Atamira> but i do need something thats more portable than my pc to read them on
[21:09] <hads> The Kindle does look nice to read on.
[21:09] <hads> I don't really mind reading off a screen though, like most of you I do it all day.
[21:10] <snail> hads: my wife has a kindle and loves it. the reading light works really well
[21:10] <snail> hads: the text-to-voice is the only functionality that causes noticable battery drain
[21:10] <ibeardslee> I read off the screen all day, but the 'workstation' is optimised for keyboard rather than reading
[21:11] <hads> Yeah, I was flicking through Dad's Kindle at Christmas, seems nice.
[21:11] <snail> hads: often reading novel-length works you're much more static than you are programming, replying to emails, etc. and staticness can be a serious OOS issue
[21:12] <hads> I can imagine. I'm not much of a reader to be honest.
[21:13] <Atamira> agreed the kindle does look nice
[21:14] <Atamira> does it allow for drag and drop or must you import the books via the proprietry software on it?
[21:15] <hads> I think it's proprietry?
[21:15] <Atamira> which rules that out for me then
[21:15] <Atamira> i dont want to waste the books i do have already
[21:34] <Atamira> bedtime
[21:34] <Atamira> nite all
[21:47] <thumper> morning
[21:51] <chilts> morning
[21:53] <LukasB> good morning
[23:02] <snail> Atamira:  i believe kindle uses .mobi, which calibre exports too very nicely
[23:04] <ibeardslee> yay .. found a way to chance the background of the login screen
[23:05] <ibeardslee> s/chance/change/