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charlie-tcaGood morning14:19
jibelGood day charlie-tca14:28
charlie-tcaI filed a bug to get the partitioning explanations in a darker text. bug 74323814:30
ubot4`Launchpad bug 743238 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity installer is difficult to read on "Allocate Drive Space" (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74323814:30
charlie-tcaone of those, "sure would be nice to see this" bugs14:30
jibelcharlie-tca, was it the accessibility testcase ? http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/DesktopAccessibility ? Which flavour do I add it to, ubuntu and xubuntu ? other ?14:36
charlie-tcathat's the testcase, Ubuntu Desktop only, probably optional?14:37
jibelcharlie-tca, ack. doing it right now14:38
charlie-tcaThank you14:38
charlie-tcaI forgot the email :-(14:38
jibelcharlie-tca, done. No problem, I forgot to add the testcase :-)14:41
charlie-tcaThanks for doing that!14:42
jibelcharlie-tca, did you tried the installer with a high-contrast theme enabled ? Some steps are totally unreadable. white on white14:45
charlie-tcaNo, I haven't been through that one yet.14:45
charlie-tcaalternate or desktop?14:46
jibelcharlie-tca, desktop. Boot to a live session, change to theme to high contrast then run ubiquity, steps "Preaparing to install" and "Erase disk" are unusable.14:49
charlie-tcaThanks, I will go try it14:50
charlie-tcaI forgot to sync today's images14:51
jibelcharlie-tca, I filed bug 744283, I'll link it to the tracker once the builds are out.14:58
ubot4`Launchpad bug 744283 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Steps "Preparing to install" and "Erase disk" are unreadable with high-contrast theme enabled (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74428314:58
charlie-tcaThank you14:58
charlie-tcaSoon as I get today's image, I will confirm it14:58
jibelcharlie-tca, Do you have hw which doesn't support Unity to confirm something ? It looks like the fallback to the classic desktop doesn't work on the livecd, nautilus and metacity are running, but there's no panel. I don't know if it's an issue with the fallback or vbox.15:04
charlie-tcaI can throw an nvidia card in a system15:04
charlie-tcawhat about log out/log in again?15:05
jibelubuntu classic works correctly, but not the Unity fallback, that's why I'd like to confirm on real hw. opengl support in vbox sometime generates strange results. btw there's no logout button :-)15:10
charlie-tcaokay, running it up now15:12
charlie-tcaum, starting the live desktop is taking over 3 minutes after clicking on "Try Ubuntu"?15:28
jibelcharlie-tca, I've seen a report about the slowness of the livecd but can't find the bug number.15:32
charlie-tcaThat's not slow, it's impossible. How many users will really wait that long?15:33
* jibel trying on a netbook and a stopwatch 15:35
jibelcharlie-tca, cd or usb ?15:35
charlie-tcaoversize image15:36
jibelI've no dvd I'll go for a usb.15:36
charlie-tcastarting again, just clicked Try15:36
charlie-tcaWent throught this time15:37
charlie-tcaand fallback worked, I have both top and bottom panels15:37
charlie-tcaVBox does have problems, Xubuntu will only give one workspace on VBox installs, but two on hardware installs15:38
jibelYeah, start the stopwatch killed Unity15:39
charlie-tcaAt least fallback is working on the hardware15:40
jibelcharlie-tca, the invisible panel is a known rendering issue with Compiz and the fallback, it was fixed last week but obviously it is not.15:40
jibelthanks for testing15:40
charlie-tcanext is the high-contrast install15:41
charlie-tcaI have both 386 and 64bit hardware to test on now. the 64bit is a laptop, so no changing the intel video card, but at least it is 64bit hardware.15:42
jibelcharlie-tca, confirm starting live session from usb is slow. 3 minutes to the Welcome screen then 4 minutes to the desktop after clicking on Try. That's a total of 7 minutes.16:18
charlie-tcasure is. Most users gave up during that16:19
jibelcharlie-tca, I can't find the report I mentioned above, I'll file a new one.16:19
jibeland try with another memory stick, to eliminate the crappy hw bug.16:20
davmor2jibel: on my laptop I have an atheros wifi card that still isn't working :(  I've written a bug for it that jfo has marked as triaged but I think it has gone no further16:21
davmor2jibel: wifi card is ateros AR500116:21
jibeldavmor2, what's the bug number ?16:22
davmor2jibel: one second16:22
jibelohoh, the boot from livefs starts with a fsck for more than 1 minute, non sense16:22
charlie-tcajibel: I did something wrong and never saw the "Preparing to install  screen16:23
charlie-tcajibel: I did something wrong and never saw the "Preparing to install " screen16:23
charlie-tcaor is that the all white page that never stopped?16:23
davmor2jibel: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/71073816:24
ubot4`Launchpad bug 710738 in linux (Ubuntu) "Regression latest kernel breaks my Atheros AR5001 wifi (affects: 1) (heat: 74)" [Undecided,Triaged]16:24
charlie-tcahm, slideshow does not fit on my 19" LCD display with high-contrash install16:25
charlie-tcaPropably okay, though, because it appears stuck on the Welcome page16:26
jibeldavmor2, okay, I'll give it a higher priority and bring it to the attention of the release team.16:28
davmor2jibel: thanks you16:29
jibeldavmor2, also, once the first images are out tomorrow, please link it to a testcase on the tracker Desktop install or Live Session will be fine.16:30
davmor2jibel: will do if I have time we currently have 5 releases of our own in the pipeworks :)16:31
davmor2jibel: it wouldn't bother me so much but pre alpha2 it worked a dream :)16:35
charlie-tcajibel: screens are readable in hardware with ati card16:55
charlie-tcawill try it with the intel card and see if it makes a difference16:55
jibelcharlie-tca, that's maybe the color depth.16:55
charlie-tcaI will keep working on verifying it, even if it takes me into VBox to do it16:56
jibelcharlie-tca, I filed bug 744362 for the boot slowness16:57
ubot4`Launchpad bug 744362 in casper (Ubuntu) "Booting to a live session is really slow (7 minutes) (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74436216:57
charlie-tcaI will confirm that one now16:58
jibelI'm trying with another stick but it looks the same16:58
jibelI mean, as bad16:59
charlie-tcaYeah, I don't think it is the stick, it really is a slow boot16:59
jibelyeah, I've found nothing obvious from the log excepted the fsck but which doesn't take that long17:01
skaetjibel, all - cjwatson's building fresh set of images now,  they should start to appear on the iso tracker for smoke testing shortly.   ARM images will be coming later.17:03
skaetcregan,  suggest you wait until jibel's had a chance to do some smoke tests to make sure that these are likely images (and we won't respin),  before you kick off your efforts.17:04
skaetcgregan, ^^  (sorry, bout typo)17:04
jibelskaet, ack.17:05
* jibel having a break17:05
cjwatsonskaet: I'm pretty sure we'll need to respin tomorrow; there are a bunch of RC bugs as yet unresolved17:22
skaetcjwatson, ack17:23
skaetcjwatson,  smoke test of some of the images though have value?17:24
cjwatsoncertainly, I was just responding to your "and we won't respin" comment17:24
skaetcjwatson, fair 'nuf.17:24
cgregannoted skaet17:50
cjwatsonquite a few images are up for smoke-testing, BTW18:56
cjwatsonI've posted everything that's built so far18:56
skaetjibel, charlie-tca, Riddell ^^^18:58
RiddellKubuntu images were good when I tested this morning18:59
charlie-tcasyncing again19:15
Gulfstreammy Belkin F5D8053 (V3000) wireless card seems to be working better, but it randomly disconnects. Is there a spot where I can post my test results?19:41
marjoskaet: according to jibel, the smoke tests for alternate images passed20:04
marjoskaet: other images are syncing now20:04
jibelskaet, desktop is running on both amd64 and i38620:06
skaetjibel,  :)  baseline established.  We have our fallback then.20:09
meganerdis this an appropriate place for asking questions about 11.04 and my hardware?20:15
Gulfstreammeganerd, I think jibel knows... I am not sure though.20:21
jibelskaet, can I open the upgrades on the tracker ?20:28
skaetjibel,  yes, please go ahead20:28
jibelskaet, bug 73963221:58
ubot4`Launchpad bug 739632 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "ubiquity crashed during install with: plugininstall.py: DebconfError: (10, "oem-config/enable doesn't exist") (affects: 7) (dups: 4) (heat: 156)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73963221:58
* skaet looking21:59
jibelseems to affects many users but passed below the radar during last milestone21:59
jibelthe retracer is fighting against us here21:59
jibela large part of the duplicates are in bug 65291622:00
ubot4`Launchpad bug 652916 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity-dm crashed with ValueError in command(): invalid literal for int() with base 10: '' (affects: 65) (dups: 32) (heat: 442)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/65291622:00
skaetthanks for flagging jibel.   yeah this one needs to be looked at,  esp. since it looked like the other oem config bug was resolved.22:04
jibelurgh, the retracer is aggregating all kind of bugs to 65291622:07
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cjwatsonskaet: it doesn't actually have anything to do with oem-config, FWIW, despite the backtrace22:31
cjwatsonwhat's happening is that the debconf protocol has got out of sync due to one of the packages being installed22:31
cjwatsonand the next thing ubiquity does using debconf falls over22:32
cjwatsonit's sort of the equivalent of malloc corruption - the effect is distant from the cause22:32
skaetcjwatson, is it obvious which of the package being installed is causing this?  or is it going to take some significant detective work?22:34
cjwatsonthe debug log I've asked for should make it clear to an installer developer22:34
cjwatsonunless we're particularly unlucky22:34
cjwatsonit's not obvious from the existing logs, no22:34
cjwatsonhm, I don't normally turn on restricted guff in my installs, let's try that22:36
chadadavisHi. I'm testing the amd64+mac ISOs. I see tracker entries for i386 and amd64. Will there be a separate category for amd64+mac, or shall I mix my results in with amd64 ?23:10
skaetchadadavis, there should be a separate entry for the amd64+mac ISO23:24
skaetjibel,  ^^23:25
skaetchadadavis, jibel is in europe so we'll need to catch him in the morning.23:26
chadadavisI'm also in Europe and will rejoin this in the morning as well, then. Thanks. I'll track the results externally in the meantime and fill them in later.23:27
skaetchadadavis, thanks!   also,  we'll be spinning some new images overnight to pick up the fix to the issue that jibel pointed out earlier.23:29
skaetif you've got any "hot" bugs, that are a result of the smoke testing,  feel free to post them here.23:30
chadadavisskaet, great, I'll wait for those then and zsync them. Will that be 20110329 then?23:31
skaetchadadavis, I'd be assuming so, but verify with jibel directly if in doubt.  (I'll be zzz ing then ;) )23:32
chadadavisskaet, will do. Thanks.23:32
cjwatson20110329 or 20110329.something23:35

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