[00:08] <penguin42> feels randomly assured now he found the backup button
[00:16] <penguin42> phew - it boots and has a network signal :-)
[00:34] <penguin42> hmm rather touchy though; market place doesn't work and it seems to insist on trying to set up an exchange account rather than gmail
[00:38] <bigcalm> Is it possible to move an already running process into a screen?
[00:38] <penguin42> no
[00:40] <bigcalm> Sod
[00:43] <directhex> ctrl-z
[01:58] <HazRPG> \o
[02:01] <hamitron> hi haz
[02:01] <HazRPG> hamitron: \o
[02:01] <HazRPG> :D
[02:01] <HazRPG> how's it going dude?
[02:01] <hamitron> I still not slept
[02:01] <hamitron> hehe
[02:01] <HazRPG> hehe
[02:02] <HazRPG> I had to, I was awake for way too long
[02:02] <hamitron> my brain has only just this second felt totally mashed
[02:02] <HazRPG> :P
[02:03] <HazRPG> how long you been awake?
[02:03] <hamitron> 42 hours
[02:03] <HazRPG> wow lol, and I thought I was bad sometimes
[02:04] <HazRPG> I've done 48+ hours before, and people have called me insane lol
[02:04] <HazRPG> I call it "I hate sleeping, means less hours I can be doing stuff"
[02:04] <hamitron> I missed 2 nights in a row once
[02:04] <hamitron> fell off my comp chair :/
[02:05] <hamitron> 4pm on the 3rd day
[02:05]  * HazRPG enrolls hamitron into the "sorta insomniac" group
[02:05] <hamitron> but that was because I had coursework to do
[02:05] <HazRPG> ah
[02:05] <HazRPG> coursework will do that :P
[02:05] <HazRPG> I miss those days :P
[02:05] <hamitron> I started it 5 days before the deadline
[02:06] <hamitron> was supposed to spend 5 months
[02:06] <hamitron> so my own fault
[02:06] <HazRPG> xD
[02:06] <HazRPG> I do that all the time :P
[02:07] <HazRPG> hmm, bug!
[02:07] <HazRPG> apparently chrome doesn't think it's the default browser anymore
[02:09] <hamitron> :/
[02:13] <hamitron> nn all ;)
[02:14] <HazRPG> awww, you actually going to sleep now?
[02:14] <hamitron> yes
[02:14] <hamitron> :))
[02:14] <HazRPG> ...:(
[02:14] <hamitron> o/
[02:14] <HazRPG> night dude o/
[02:15] <HazRPG> hmmm, is SixXS or HE better for IPv6?
[03:56] <shauno> morning
[03:58] <HazRPG> shauno: \o
[04:02] <HazRPG> Have you read the e-mail about the guy with RSI troubles on the mailing list?
[04:02] <shauno> yeah
[04:05] <shauno> I feel like a complete zombie :/  off to mug the kettle
[04:06] <HazRPG> :p
[04:12] <stgraber> HazRPG: I've had great service from HE. It's reliable and they have a good network. Oh, also, they don't need you to earn points or other weird stuff like SixXS does
[04:12] <HazRPG> stgraber: ah ok, cool - thanks :)
[04:13] <shauno> earn points?  (only used HE, haven't used sixxs, trying to figure out how points would fit into the picture)
[04:14] <stgraber> shauno: with sixxs you need to keep your tunnel online or you loose point, if you loose points you can't ask for subnets or other tunnels
[04:14] <shauno> oh, fun
[04:18] <shauno> I've had no problems with HE at all.  and my router supports their tunnels, so autoconf is pretty tidy for the rest of the LAN :)
[04:48] <shauno> oh, I heard back on that calibre bug.  they won't change the default, but have added it to the options UI.  so \o/
[04:55] <HazRPG> winner \o/
[04:56] <HazRPG> I must say the developer of calibre does listen to his users really well :)
[04:56] <HazRPG> he's very active on the forums!
[04:56] <HazRPG> and always quick to try and add or sort things out
[05:01] <shauno> well, I should get off my rear & get ready for work
[05:01] <shauno> my odd sleep rotation worked out tho; waking up an hour before your alarm clock goes off is awesome :)
[05:02] <shauno> alarm clock doing off at 5am .. not so awesome
[05:10] <HazRPG> going*
[05:10] <HazRPG> heh, I haven't heard an alarm clock in years
[05:10] <HazRPG> literally
[05:10] <HazRPG> even if I wanted to hear an alarm clock, I wouldn't hear it while I'm asleep
[05:10] <HazRPG> (awake, I can hear them just fine)
[05:11] <HazRPG> when I'm asleep, I physically can't hear them - and I don't know why!
[05:11] <HazRPG> people next door (and from downstairs) can hear it - because I got a loud little beast, however I just don't... and I have no idea why
[05:12] <HazRPG> suffice to say, I'm usually late... unless I plan a schedule around so that I'm still awake for the times that I need to be...
[05:14] <HazRPG> e.g. if I know I need to be awake and on time for something... I have to make sure I force myself to sleep around 10-14 hours before the time I need to meet them... that way if I oversleep, I know I'll definitely be awake for it... failing that I do the whole "hmm, think I could last and stay awake till then?" question in my head
[05:21] <HazRPG> heh, just posted a wall-mass of text about a guy and his kindle-related questions... I don't know how I always manage to do this, but I don't seem to be able to keep things short and to the point :/
[05:21] <HazRPG> hopefully it'll be useful for him though
[05:21] <shauno> heh, I noticed.  didn't manage to finish your book on RSI :p
[05:21] <HazRPG> works really well for me though (the RSI thing)
[05:22] <shauno> I very rarely get anything
[05:22] <HazRPG> depends on your usage I guess
[05:22] <HazRPG> and how your sat, positioned
[05:23] <HazRPG> ah crud, I should really have mentioned that in the e-mail too
[05:23] <HazRPG> ah well too late
[05:23] <shauno> fairly sure someone mentioned lumbar etc in the first couple of responses
[05:24] <HazRPG> hmm, I did skim through most of the posts, think I missed that one
[05:24] <shauno> my seating position is so slothenly that I book holidays off work whenever we have a health & safety audit :/
[05:25] <shauno> I actually got one of the security guys to help me do a weekend raid on our old building, so I could retrieve my favourite chair :D
[05:26] <HazRPG> haha winner
[05:27] <shauno> the security guys like us because they're not allowed to go off-site during their shifts, and we can.  so if they need food/smokes/etc, we become popular
[05:27] <HazRPG> I'm catching up on the 60 or so mailing list stuff I've missed recently (been busy reading other things I guess?)
[05:27] <HazRPG> hehe, I can imagine :P
[05:28] <shauno> just giving them a bell to say "popping down the shop, you need anything?" earns you useful allies :)
[05:29] <shauno> but generally the only thing my seated posture has going for it, is that I seem to move constantly.  I'm not sat in any position for hours on end
[05:30] <shauno> and I maintain finding a new position every 15-20 minutes is more useful than sitting in the "right position" for 12 hours at a time.  there is no right way to sit for 12 hours.  we're not built like that
[05:31] <shauno> it does confuse people who try to borrow my chair tho :)  it's kinda broken.  if you try to lean back, the back will go diagonally in either direction, but not straight back
[05:31] <shauno> so if you try to lean back without knowing the secrets of my chair, you tend to get tipped onto the floor
[05:39] <HazRPG> haha I had a chair like that at work too xD
[05:40] <HazRPG> great fun to see others try and use it :)
[05:40] <HazRPG> was so tempted to put "geek chair: use with precaution, prior knowledge of how to operate required"
[05:40] <HazRPG> but thought my boss probably wouldn't like that :P
[05:43] <HazRPG> also, agreed... there is no "right or wrong" way to sit on a chair
[05:43] <HazRPG> I tend to find myself moving around a lot too
[05:43] <HazRPG> usually helps to have someone I can plonk my legs up onto :)
[05:43] <HazRPG> xD somewhere* I mean
[06:06] <HazRPG> haha love it: How to torment a telemarketer with one word :: http://www.videojug.com/film/how-to-torment-telemarketers-with-one-word
[06:17] <kaushal> hi
[06:18] <kaushal> Good Morning everyone
[06:18] <kaushal> Please guide me about http://paste.ubuntu.com/586347/
[06:34] <AlanBell> morning all
[06:34] <AlanBell> off to towcester today
[06:35] <AlanBell> HazRPG: are you behind some nasty proxy server?
[06:35] <AlanBell> sorry, kaushal: are you behind some nasty proxy server?
[06:35] <HazRPG> AlanBell: ... I was going to say!
[06:36] <kaushal> I have installed squid-deb-proxy-server
[06:36] <AlanBell> kaushal: you are only being given the first [45B] of each file
[06:36] <kaushal> ok
[06:36] <AlanBell> ok, well that is the bit that is broken then :)
[06:37] <kaushal> AlanBell: shall i pastebin the squid-deb-proxy.conf ?
[06:39] <AlanBell> I am off out for the day now
[06:39] <AlanBell> I would start by turning the proxy off and see if that helps
[06:40] <kaushal> ok
[06:40] <kaushal> np
[07:38] <daubers> Morning
[07:38] <shauno> o/
[07:45] <HazRPG> o/
[07:49] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:14] <erolci> Good morning everyone
[08:14] <MooDoo> morning
[08:16] <erolci> I am using Ubuntu 10.10 and I would like to reach a folder located Windows (/desktop)
[08:16] <erolci> I can reach everything in windows but When I open the desktop folder,  I only see 4 unimportant files, there is no my folder in it
[08:17] <erolci> What do you think ?
[08:22] <BigRedS> does Windows do encryption of that sort of thing these days?
[08:23] <directhex> unless you turn it off, yes
[08:23] <directhex> erolci, which desktop folder? you have several
[08:24] <erolci> Right
[08:24] <erolci> I am using dual operating system
[08:24] <HazRPG> erm... windows 7 does encrypt the user's folders now
[08:25] <erolci> God
[08:25] <directhex> HazRPG, only if you pay for ultimate
[08:25] <HazRPG> however am I right in thinking your trying to access "my documents" "my pictures" etc?
[08:25] <directhex> erolci, which folder exactly are you looking in
[08:25] <HazRPG> because that would be /windows/user/<name>/My Documents
[08:26] <HazRPG> (or replace with My Pictures, My Music, etc)
[08:26] <erolci> hmm
[08:26] <erolci> I will have a look
[08:26] <HazRPG> /windows/user/<name>/Desktop/My Documents is the wrong place to be looking
[08:26] <directhex> HazRPG, Users.
[08:26] <directhex> also, Documents
[08:27] <directhex> as of w7
[08:27] <HazRPG> yeah sorry
[08:27] <directhex> maybe vista too
[08:27] <MartijnVdS> morning everyone
[08:27] <erolci> I checked it but there is not Desktop folder
[08:28] <erolci> The intresting point
[08:28] <erolci> I can see everything in c drive
[08:28] <erolci> Only desktop folder has this problem
[08:28] <erolci> Windows is down at the moment
[08:29] <HazRPG> erolci: http://ScrnSht.com/wanwic
[08:30] <HazRPG> directhex: also, if you look at that screenshot... "My Documents" is still there as a thing in win7
[08:31] <HazRPG> I'm pretty sure there's still one place inside windows that's inconsistent with the rest and calls it "My Documents" instead of "Documents"
[08:31] <directhex> HazRPG, i wouldn't trust junction points.
[08:32] <MartijnVdS> Cool.. we're going to push ipv6 even more @ work
[08:32] <directhex> erolci, without you being precise in a) what you're looking for, and b) where you're looking, you're unhelpable.
[08:32] <HazRPG> directhex: is that what they're called? I thought they were just called "links"
[08:32] <erolci> I am looking for another folder which is located in /Desktop
[08:33] <directhex> erolci, WHICH desktop?
[08:33] <directhex> erolci, you have at least two desktops.
[08:33] <erolci> in Windows 7
[08:33] <erolci> right
[08:33] <erolci> I checked the both in windows
[08:33] <directhex> then you're looking in the wrong place.
[08:34] <directhex> your USER desktop, for anything you copy there yourself, is in Users/username/Desktop. there's also the system desktop, which has icons etc placed by installers.
[08:34] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: \o/
[08:34] <directhex> windows silently merges the system desktop and user desktop when showing them to you
[08:35] <HazRPG> directhex: yeah I know what you mean, that's always annoyed me as a thing :/
[08:35] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: It's going to be part of some independent "Choose an ISP" sites ('Offers IPv6 yes/no' -- we're the only 'yes' atm :))
[08:35] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: did you set it up yet?
[08:35] <erolci> Where is the system desktop located buddy?
[08:35] <erolci> in Windows folder ?
[08:36] <directhex> i think that one might be a junction point, for compatibility with windows 95 apps
[08:39] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: IPv6?
[08:39] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: yes
[08:40] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: I made the account :D
[08:40] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: as far as I got with that :P
[08:40] <shauno> slacker.
[08:40] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: ...
[08:42] <erolci> I can open the windows in Dos mode
[08:42] <erolci> I will try to copy files to another folder
[08:42] <erolci> I hope works
[08:42] <HazRPG> shauno, MartijnVdS: ikr :(
[08:42] <erolci> Thanks a lot for your helping
[08:42] <HazRPG> internet too much of a distraction
[08:43] <HazRPG> doesn't help I'm having a link war with my friend on mumble
[08:45] <erolci> I have to go
[08:45] <erolci> see you, bye
[08:50] <daubers> Morning
[08:57]  * DJones mutters about graphics cards in laptops & why isn't there a nice simple way of choosing one that will work nicely with ubuntu
[09:05] <s-fox> Hello.
[09:05] <MooDoo> s-fox: morning
[09:06] <s-fox> Hello MooDoo . How are you?
[09:06] <MooDoo> s-fox: congratulations as well :)
[09:06] <MooDoo> i'm fine thanks
[09:06] <s-fox> Congrats?
[09:06] <s-fox> It is good you are okay :)
[09:07] <MooDoo> s-fox: hven't you been elected to a team council?
[09:07] <MooDoo> or have i got the wrong person?
[09:07] <s-fox> Oh yes,  I have.
[09:07] <MooDoo> then congratulations :D
[09:07] <s-fox> Wednesday last week I think
[09:07] <MooDoo> ah i just noticed it on the planet
[09:08] <s-fox> MooDoo,  gnome-look is back up.  http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=127192  & http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=137346
[09:09] <s-fox> Two of my shots I uploaded.
[09:10] <MooDoo> very nice :)
[09:12] <s-fox> Thank you.
[09:20] <DJones> Morning all
[09:26] <DJones> Can anybody see any problems that I might have with this laptop (drivers/incompatibility etc), just trying to get ideas on what to buy http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/acer-5742-core-i5-laptop-with-4gb-memory-red-laptop-08702408-pdt.html
[09:26] <DJones> I'm also tempted by something with this sort of spec http://www.coopelectricalshop.co.uk/products/ProductDetail.asp?ProductCode=ACE-COM-ASPIRE5742G-BK
[09:28] <gord> DJones, looks fine to me, of course wifi is always *random dice roll* if you don't get well used chipsets. never heard of acer chipsets for wifi before
[09:29] <DJones> gord: Yeah, thats always a worry, trouble is there's so many acer 5742's out there with different specs, I don't think you'd ever know which you were getting
[09:31] <oimon> DJones: i noticed that - tesco have a wildly different spec
[09:32] <oimon> http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.210-8467.aspx  http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.210-1936.aspx
[09:33] <directhex> it's common for huge retailers to get slightly different models for electronic items
[09:33] <directhex> it makes it impossible to do price comparison and "we pay the difference if it's cheaper elsewhere" deals
[09:34] <JamesTait> Happy daylight savings time, everyone! :D
[09:34] <oimon> DJones: ever tried dell outlet? i got a really good deal from there
[09:35] <DJones> oimon: No, I've not looked there yet
[09:48] <DJones> oimon: Outlet is quite interesting, Intel i7 for £537 with 4Gb, Radeon HD 5470 1G
[09:49] <HazRPG> hmm, I have a feeling I did something wrong there...
[09:50] <DJones> oimon: Not a top end i7, seems reasonable
[09:50] <oimon> i used to also buy from the outlet for a cheapskate employer too - never had any problems with the machines i received from them (usually business ones)
[09:59] <nperry> Hmm, gnome3 ppa has been updated within the last couple of days
[10:01] <HazRPG> hmm, could someone help me out with some ipv6 setup (via HE) please :)
[10:02] <HazRPG> so knew to this whole ipv6 thing :/
[10:02] <HazRPG> so far every attempt has just failed
[10:02] <BigRedS> Oh yeah, I meant to do that weeks ago
[10:02] <HazRPG> ?
[10:02] <BigRedS> (I'm no help, I'm afraid)
[10:02] <BigRedS> the HE thingy on ip6
[10:03] <HazRPG> ah, fair enough
[10:04] <nperry> via HE?
[10:05] <HazRPG> tunnelbroker.net
[10:05] <HazRPG> IPv6 over IPv4 style
[10:06] <HazRPG> HE stands for "Hurricane Electric" they prove IPv6 address :)
[10:10] <HazRPG> BigRedS: if I get it to work, I'll post my find on my blog for ya to have a read if ya like :)
[10:12] <BigRedS> HazRPG: ah, that'd be cool!
[10:13] <BigRedS> An even-shorter-than-the-short-intro-thing to ip6! :)
[10:13] <HazRPG> indeed :)
[10:13] <HazRPG> guessing your using a router that's non-ipv6 compliant yet too?
[10:14] <HazRPG> I'm rolling with 10.10 at the moment, but I can test stuff on others too if need be before I post it up
[10:14] <dogmatic69> what would be the best way to limit ssh to a single ip address? looking at some google links, seems like about 100 different ways to do it
[10:16] <shauno> either ufw/iptables, or just hosts.deny/allow
[10:16] <dogmatic69> k
[10:16] <dogmatic69> in iptables do i need to set something up so that it happens after a reboot?
[10:16] <dogmatic69> or setting it once will always be set?
[10:16] <nigelb> Yeah, you need to setup a script so that it always runs on reboot
[10:16] <dogmatic69> iptables -I INPUT -s <IP> -p tcp -m tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT
[10:16] <dogmatic69> iptables -I INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 22 -j REJECT
[10:17] <dogmatic69> look right?
[10:18] <JamesTait> dogmatic69: You might already know about this, but ufw can do this and has the advantage of retaining its setup across reboot.
[10:19] <dogmatic69> JamesTait: i dont, will look that up
[10:19] <Mez> dogmatic69: looks wrong... Why not just set policy as REJECT, adn then add accept rules?
[10:19] <dogmatic69> Mez: dont know, just found that on server fault :/
[10:20] <Mez> dogmatic69: as you're a local... gimme a moment, I'll find you a very good article :D
[10:20] <Mez> (aka the firewall article I wrong for LXF)
[10:21] <Mez> http://www.linuxformat.com/includes/download.php?PDF=LXF121.tut_adv.pdf
[10:21] <dogmatic69> \o/
[10:23] <HazRPG> BigRedS: just out of interest dude, you planning on having IPv6 on one computer or setup like a DHCP for IPv6?
[10:24] <shauno> I love ufw.  the rules are actually readable.  'sudo ufw allow from <IP> app OpenSSH'
[10:24] <BigRedS> HazRPG: just one computer, I want to set it up on my dedicated box
[10:24] <HazRPG> because ideally I'd like to setup a DHCP for IPv6... however if I at least get it working on only one machine that would be great too - but if your also interested in setting up via multiple, might try my best to get it to run on multiple
[10:25] <BigRedS> I don't even use DHCP on ip4 really
[10:25] <HazRPG> BigRedS: technically your router does though :P
[10:25] <shauno> I don't use dhcp on v6.  just let autoconf do it
[10:25] <BigRedS> well, I do on other people's networks, but I've not been near a dhcp server for a while, quite intentionally :)
[10:25] <HazRPG> ah cool
[10:25] <HazRPG> shauno: hmm really? I thought that was what the screenshot was doing?
[10:26] <BigRedS> and, yeah, there's a built-in-to-ip6 thing that you should be doing instead of dhcp
[10:26] <BigRedS> in fact, that's probably what you are doing, thinking about it :)
[10:26] <shauno> that's just a tunnel endpoint
[10:26] <shauno> anything joining the network just autodiscovers it's own address as lan address + mac address
[10:27] <shauno> get some well ugly IPs that way, but zero hassle :)
[10:28] <HazRPG> shauno: ah, but isn't that DHCP essentially? I'm guessing you don't need to do anything fancy on your phone to get ipv6 for it?
[10:28] <HazRPG> after its setup on the router I mean
[10:28] <HazRPG> (I know what I mean in my head :S)
[10:28] <shauno> it's part of the protocol; they just find the lan address via neighbour discovery
[10:29] <BigRedS> HazRPG: same effect as DHCP, but utterly different method
[10:29] <shauno> you can do dhcpv6 if you really want/need to, but autoconf is built into the protocol now
[10:30] <HazRPG> BigRedS: yeah, but I think they're still calling it DHCPv6 despite it only being similar in concept (sorta)
[10:30] <HazRPG> shauno: oh?
[10:31] <HazRPG> (getting more confused the more I read)
[10:31] <BigRedS> yeah, that was my understanding - two mechanisms to achieve the same thing, both occasionally called dhcpv6 :)
[10:31] <BigRedS> that's the lovely thing about standards...
[10:32] <shauno> I believe dhcpv6 still exists very similar to dhcp, for people who need utter control over that kinda thing
[10:33] <shauno> eg, at home I have v4 set so I get IPs 10.0.0.1xx, next door get 10.0.0.2xx, etc.  autoconf isn't that tidy
[10:33] <HazRPG> ah
[10:34] <shauno> if you don't need that much control, just let autoconf make fantastically ugly IPs
[10:34] <HazRPG> see the ways I keep seeing, essentially just let HE pick the IP's
[10:34] <HazRPG> so I'm assuming that's the "ugly IP" way?
[10:36] <HazRPG> so far all different ways of setting this up, basically say do this on every machine... or setup a DHCPv6 (endpoint for the tunnel) server, however each requesting machine that asks for an IP still goes out to HE and grabs an IP from them and brings it back to the requesting machine
[10:36] <HazRPG> they don't actually show you how to specify a range
[10:36] <shauno> well if you're just doing it straight on your machine, you'll most likely get the LAN address they gave you with ::2 as the end
[10:37] <HazRPG> yeah I am doing this straight on my machine, although I would like to setup my phone, and other PC's/laptops/netbook/etc to use it too
[10:38] <HazRPG> hopefully with the least amount of faffing around :P
[10:40] <shauno> 2001:ba8:1f1:f1a5::2   like this is my vps's address
[10:40] <shauno> 2001:ba8:1f1:f1a5 is 'my' network, and ::2 because I'm the only host on it (and can't use ::1)
[10:41] <HazRPG> hang on I'll link you to ubuntu's way of doing the DHCP tunnel broker way of doing things, if you've got a moment :)
[10:41] <HazRPG> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IPv6#Configure your Ubuntu box as a IPv6 router
[10:41] <BigRedS> tsk. spaces in urls
[10:42] <HazRPG> BigRedS: blame the person who made the wiki, that was the link straight via "copy url"
[10:42] <directhex> HazRPG, blame chromium for not replacing spaces with %20 in copied urls
[10:42] <HazRPG> that too
[10:43] <HazRPG> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IPv6#Configure%20your%20Ubuntu%20box%20as%20a%20IPv6%20router
[10:43] <HazRPG> good thing I know most commonly used replacements
[10:44] <BigRedS> HazRPG: Oh I do
[10:44] <HazRPG> BigRedS: didn't say you didn't :P
[10:46] <X3N> ping popey
[10:48] <bigcalm> Must we?
[10:50] <BigRedS> I've just downloaded an Android telnet client
[10:51] <BigRedS> this feels quite anachronistic
[10:51] <shauno> never heard of radvd, but that describes what my router's doing
[10:53] <popey> X3N: pong
[10:53] <HazRPG> shauno: ah so we were both on the same page then :)
[10:53] <X3N> getting nagois alerts for ssh on the ubuntu-uk box,
[10:53] <popey> yup
[10:53] <popey> its apache still OOMing
[10:53] <popey> well, apache eating RAM and the kernel OOMing
[10:54]  * shauno shakes fist at apache
[10:54]  * popey shakes fist at PHP
[10:54] <X3N> is lighttpd going to be deployed?
[10:55] <popey> last time I suggested that, you were against it
[10:56] <X3N> oh, I thought we had agreed to change
[10:56] <popey> I am happy to test migrate to lighttpd for a period, and if it doesn't "fix" the issue, go back.
[10:56] <popey> or do something else
[10:56] <popey> I am open to suggestions
[10:57] <popey> I'm happy to do the migration to lighttpd, but not until thursday, we have the podcast tomorrow and release on wednesday so I dont really want to bork it before then :D
[10:58] <X3N> ok
[10:59] <popey> what I'd do is run lighttpd on another port in parallel and migrate the config over, then swap the ports and then shutdown apache, then uninstall it
[10:59] <popey> ^^ thats my plan ;)
[10:59] <X3N> sounds good
[11:00] <dogmatic69> cherokee > * :)
[11:02] <shauno> static pages > *  :)
[11:03] <gord> cake > * :)
[11:03] <daubers> where's cake?
[11:07]  * daubers was given cake by his nan yesterday \o/
[11:10] <Fanshawe> Hello folks.
[11:10] <Fanshawe> I'm not sure whether anyone here was on yesterday, but I have some rather good news.
[11:10] <Fanshawe> My ASUS is alive and well.
[11:10] <dwatkins> hey folks, could someone please tell me if port 5060 is accessible on sipgate.de? (i.e. can you telnet to it and get something other than a refused connetion)
[11:11] <oimon> telnet sipdate.de 5060 Trying 82.98.86.169...
[11:11] <oimon> wooops sipGATE
[11:11] <oimon> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
[11:11] <dwatkins> hehe
[11:11] <dwatkins> thanks oimon
[11:11]  * dwatkins will also check with nmap
[11:12]  * BigRedS is refused too
[11:12] <dwatkins> wierd, I wonder if they use a different server for SIP logins, then
[11:12] <dwatkins> either that, or all the methods I've tested and you both tested are blocking SIP
[11:13] <davmor2> morning all
[11:13] <dwatkins> unless it's because SIP is UDP
[11:26]  * czajkowski gags davmor2 not a sound mister!
[11:27] <MooDoo> czajkowski: oi be nice :p
[11:27] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[11:30]  * davmor2 flicks czajkowski's ear
[11:30] <davmor2> morning MooDoo
[11:30] <MooDoo> davmor2: yeah don't stand for any nonsense from that czajkowski :)
[11:31] <MooDoo> davmor2: hows tricks/
[11:31] <MooDoo> ?
[11:31] <popey> lies/whois tim
[11:31] <popey> bah!
[11:31]  * popey pokes tim with some biscuits
[11:31] <davmor2> MooDoo: magic but not a lot
[11:31] <MooDoo> davmor2: :D hows debbie ;)
[11:32] <davmor2> MooDoo: Magic but not a lot :D
[11:33] <MooDoo> lol
[11:33] <MooDoo> davmor2: i see you've made czajkowski be quiet ;)
[11:33] <davmor2> MooDoo: flicking ears will do that
[11:34] <davmor2> MooDoo: that or you swear more times that the Blues Brothers get hit by the Penguin
[11:34] <MooDoo> lol
[11:35] <MooDoo> davmor2: maybe i'll just get beat up on the quiet like, czajkowski the ninja
[11:35] <davmor2> MooDoo: either way it'll need to subside before czajkowski can give me grief back
[11:36] <MooDoo> davmor2: maybe we should disarm her with charm ;)
[11:37] <davmor2> MooDoo: it's us it'll only come across as smarm
[11:37] <MooDoo> davmor2: hmmmmmm ok abuse it is
[11:37] <czajkowski> davmor2: MooDoo http://www.newstalk.ie/2011/featured/dancing-ninja-freaks-out-passers-by/
[11:38] <MooDoo> lol czajkowski are you planning on scaring us like that :D
[11:39] <Gary> czajkowski is a ninja?
[11:39] <gord> yes
[11:40] <MooDoo> Gary: yes it's a rumour im starting......don't worry she can't hear us
[11:41] <davmor2> MooDoo: I thought the whole point of a rumour was they didn't know who or how it got started
[11:41] <MooDoo> davmor2: oh er.....
[11:42]  * davmor2 starts the vicious tale that czajkowski isn't Irish but a Russian spy infiltrating England through Irish connections
[11:43] <DJones> Heh. Mysql.com hacked by an sql injection exploit....Ooops
[11:43] <MooDoo> davmor2: what?  she'll have her own tv show next
[11:44] <shauno> cztabtv?  needs moar vowels :/
[11:45] <shauno> just 'tab tv' rolls of the tongue tho.  this could work.
[11:45] <MooDoo> oooo :)
[11:45] <Gary> glad the cz<tab> thing is taking off, she likes that
[11:45]  * Gary hides
[11:46] <davmor2> shauno: You maybe her next nuclear tea victim
[11:46] <MooDoo> pah tab.tv is taken :(
[11:46] <shauno> dealextreme really needs  a button to hide all their 'personal massage devices' from results.  It really makes buying trash gizmos at work awkward.
[11:46] <gord> postmen who don't knock on your door and just assume no one is in during the day are devil spawn. *devilspawn*.
[11:48] <daubers> gord: You need some kind of postman trap, so if they don't knock, a MASSIVE pile of red rubber bands falls on their head, followed by a sign on a string saying "KNOCK DAMN YOU"
[11:48] <shauno> red rubber bands is oddly specific.  should we be worried?
[11:48] <daubers> shauno: Thats the kind that the postmen tend to leave all over your doorstep/road
[11:49] <shauno> ah
[11:49] <MooDoo> bloomin red rubber bands
[11:49] <daubers> MooDoo: Does seem to be the right season for them
[11:50] <MooDoo> i'm going to make a rubber band ball with all the ones i find outside my house, it will be massive in a week
[11:52] <DJones> MooDoo: If you have as many red rubber bands near your house as I do, you could end up with a rubber ball with its own gravitational effects
[11:53] <popey> ours does it too
[11:53] <MooDoo> :)
[11:54] <davmor2> MooDoo: and then throw it at the posty right :D
[11:54] <gord> the problem i have is that this house has a small intercom outside, i guess somehow who needed one lived here before. but postmen who are new to the area think its a doorbell =\
[11:54] <shauno> and then claim it couldn't possibly have been you, because you weren't home :D
[11:55] <MooDoo> davmor2: it will be so big, i'll drop it out the top window.....postiecrusher v1
[11:55] <davmor2> hehe
[11:56] <czajkowski> gord: have your toys arrived yet?
[11:56] <popey> my toys arrived from DX
[11:56] <gord> czajkowski, *not* toys =\ professional grown up activity device! - but yes :)
[11:56] <popey> http://twitpic.com/4dwbz3
[11:57] <popey> ^^ my new electric car
[11:57] <czajkowski> gord: toys :)
[11:57] <nigelb> popey: can I steal it from you? :p
[11:57] <davmor2> gord: so remove it
[11:57] <shauno> do you ever wonder if the postie gets a bit suspect of all the HK Post packages you get?
[11:57] <czajkowski> popey: you nicking poor sams toys
[11:57] <gord> davmor2, i rent, can't really do that
[11:58] <nigelb> gord: stick  tape over it
[11:58] <davmor2> gord: tape over it then so they can't press the button :)
[11:58] <nigelb> gord: for extra points, stick one that looks like 'evidence tape'
[11:58] <shauno> if it's okay for a previous tenant to put it up, surely it's okay for a current tenant to take it down?
[11:58] <gord> maybe i'll just tape an angry face to it
[11:59] <nigelb> heh
[11:59] <shauno> or wire it up to something :D
[12:00] <shauno> one of those little recording gizmos they stick in cards.  so when you press it it says "that's not the doorbell".
[12:00] <nigelb> hehe
[12:00] <nigelb> that'd rock
[12:03] <ali1234> smear some chocolate sauce on it. problem solved
[12:05] <JGJones> does anyone here use Ekiga?
[12:06] <JGJones> as wondering if I can get H.263, H.264 video codecs with Ekiga? (as it still doesn't use GStreamer)
[12:14] <JGJones> Hmm look like I'll need to complie it myself? Haven't done such a thing for quite a while...let's see if I can remember how to do all that :-)
[12:25] <willy_1977> 'ow do.
[12:30] <oimon> JGJones: did you try medibuntu for a h264 plugin?
[12:30] <popey> what backend does ekiga use then if not gstreamer?
[12:31] <JGJones> My understanding is that it's using OPAL libraries
[12:31] <czajkowski> popey: what kinda suggestions did you get for you mum ?
[12:31] <JGJones> "out of the box" Ubuntu will give you H.261 and Theora as the video codecs
[12:32] <JGJones> There's opal libraries that can give you h263, h263+ and mpeg4 but it's not available in Ubuntu repo.
[12:42] <oimon> click here to use old twitter - yes please: 403 Forbidden: The server understood the request, but is refusing to fulfill it.
[12:42] <oimon> oh
[12:46] <shauno> "pacman error" was nowhere near as entertaining as I'd hoped for.
[12:53] <BigRedS> oimon: it's been like that for a while
[12:54] <oimon> updated hotot and now it won't start. i wonder whether installing gwibber will actually provide more functionality :P
[12:54] <oimon> BigRedS: i don't use the webiste much..only when my clients break.
[13:22] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Phil Bull] GNOME Women: Work on docs! - http://philbull.livejournal.com/59356.html
[13:36] <matti> ;]
[13:39] <brobostigon> good afternoon everyone.
[13:39] <seeker> Hi
[13:39] <brobostigon> hi seeker
[13:41] <seeker> How are you?
[13:41] <brobostigon> seeker: up and down-ish, back and hip pain, how about you?
[13:42] <seeker> In general, ok. Right now, a nervous wreck
[13:42] <brobostigon> :(
[13:45] <popey> bug #707321
[13:45] <popey> baaaah
[13:45] <seeker> I can't overstate just how irritating anxiety disorders are
[13:45] <seeker> Popeysheep
[13:45] <popey> moo
[13:46] <seeker> Popeycow!
[13:46] <seeker> I'm good at this!
[13:46] <popey> squeeeeee
[13:46] <brobostigon> seeker: not just irritating, but frightning, and heart stopping.
[13:46] <shauno> popeynarwhal?
[13:46] <popey> \o/
[13:47] <willy_1977> seeker, brobostigon: physically take your breath.
[13:47] <seeker> brobostigon: Yes, that too. My heart hasn't stopped yet, but is topping 120bpm
[13:48] <brobostigon> seeker: not good, i know the feeling,i get it myself.
[13:48] <brobostigon> willy_1977: yes, i know what to do, :)
[13:48] <willy_1977> brobostigon, no I was saying for me, that pounding chest feeling takes my breath
[13:49] <brobostigon> willy_1977: oh, sorry, yes, :)
[13:50] <seeker> It's the feeling I'm about to pass put that's the worst
[13:51] <seeker> *out
[13:51] <brobostigon> seeker: i just get a feeling of total and shear fear, with nothing else in my mind, but having to find and go to a safe place.
[13:51] <drpope> Never fear!
[13:51] <drpope> Doctor Pope is hear!
[13:51] <drpope> I prescribe beer for everyone!
[13:51] <brobostigon> huh, ?
[13:51] <MooDoo> :)
[13:52] <MooDoo> drpope: is popey?
[13:52] <seeker> I get a knot in my chest, and my legs turn to jelly
[13:52] <shauno> I hope so, else that's some freaky timing
[13:52] <drpope> seeker: lime or strawberry jelly?
[13:52] <willy_1977> cheers doc - in some respects going to the quack was for me (touch wood) I've not had an attack for over 2 years now...consider myself v. lucky.
[13:52] <MooDoo> shauno: well i'm guessing lookint at the farn5 bit of the cable modem
[13:52] <drpope> willy_1977: no problem, my work here is done!
[13:52] <willy_1977> for me the best way to go *
[13:53] <seeker> And the desire to F safe place
[13:53] <seeker> *find a
[13:53] <seeker> Which is hard with legs of jelly
[13:53] <shauno> MooDoo: my stalk-fu is weak, I didn't know that offhand :)
[13:53]  * popey returns from the cafe
[13:53]  * seeker eyes Popey
[13:53] <popey> hi seeker!
[13:53] <MooDoo> shauno: well i'm guessing that farn = farnham
[13:53]  * popey has pizza and pepsi max
[13:53] <brobostigon> seeker: yes, i dont get it quite likethat, but are alldifferent, :)
[13:54] <shauno> MooDoo: I mean, I didn't know popey's in farnham :p
[13:54] <seeker> All the best people stalk Popey!
[13:54] <MooDoo> :D
[13:54] <popey> I'm not, currently.
[13:54] <seeker> His ssh shell is
[13:54] <shauno> now I'm several shades of confused.  this is why I avoid doctors.
[13:54] <popey> pssst: no it isnt
[13:54] <popey> farn != farnham
[13:54] <seeker> :O
[13:55] <seeker> Farnborough
[13:55] <popey> \o/
[13:55] <shauno> popey's an air show?
[13:55]  * popey flies over everyone's heads
[13:55] <popey> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!
[13:55] <seeker> Yes, his car doubles as an aircraft carrier
[13:55] <brobostigon> lol
[13:56] <willy_1977> I like that new shape eurofighter... almost biblical
[13:56] <willy_1977> very human lines.
[13:56] <shauno> if my brain explodes, I'm sending you guys the dry cleaning bill, mmkay?
[13:57] <willy_1977> never fear... we'll just call in that nice dr pope...
[13:57]  * popey pops to the loo
[13:57] <drpope> Did someone call!?
[13:57] <seeker> :O
[13:58] <willy_1977> wow... that response time is worth paying taxes for!
[13:58] <hamitron> :))
[13:58] <drpope> My help is Free as in Bear.
[13:58] <willy_1977> drpope you have to help I do believe shauno is about explode all over his screen.
[13:58] <drpope> Which is like free as in beer, but a bit more scary.
[13:58] <willy_1977> oooer missus...
[13:58] <seeker> Rawr
[13:59] <dogmatic69> i changed my port in the ssh config and now i cant ssh into the box :/
[13:59] <drpope> Silly rabbit.
[13:59] <drpope> Have you tried rebooting it, I hear that works.
[13:59] <shauno> you opened the new port on the firewall first?
[14:00] <hamitron> he he
[14:00] <hamitron> I did that once
[14:00] <hamitron> :/
[14:00] <dogmatic69> shauno: prob not :D
[14:00] <hamitron> I was 28 miles away :/
[14:00]  * dogmatic69 is still logged in with another terminal  ;)
[14:00] <drpope> My sources tell me you could nmap the router to find out if the port is open
[14:00] <drpope> My nurses tell me I should go and lie down though.
[14:00] <dogmatic69> im ~10k miles away from the server :)
[14:01] <dogmatic69> drpope: its not
[14:01] <hamitron> dogmatic69: even worse
[14:01] <drpope> open it?
[14:01] <hamitron> ;)
[14:01] <drpope> or change it back then open it
[14:01] <dogmatic69> im looking now
[14:01]  * hamitron DoSes dogmatic69's connection
[14:01]  * drpope sleeps
[14:01]  * popey returns
[14:01] <directhex> un popey!
[14:01] <dogmatic69> hamitron: you would need to know the ip
[14:02] <shauno> here's what I do.  I backup sshd_config.  set a cronjob to restore from that backup & restart sshd on the hour, every hour.  mess around to my heart's content, and then remove that cronjob when I'm convinced I don't need a safety net anymore
[14:02] <dogmatic69> or have enough power to take ec2 down :)
[14:02] <hamitron> dogmatic69: I was assuming you are sshed in from the comp you are chatting from
[14:02] <hamitron> :/
[14:02] <dogmatic69> hamitron: maybe
[14:03] <hamitron> oh I am very powerful, just not EC2 powerful :/
[14:03] <shauno> so if he takes that one down, you're no longer logged in on another term :p
[14:03] <dogmatic69> shauno: that is what server admins do when they been caught lots...
[14:03] <hamitron> but I aren't anyway, so all good :)
[14:03] <shauno> dogmatic69: I'm just paranoid about having to send support tickets that start "So, I'm as stupid as I look .."
[14:04] <dogmatic69> hehe
[14:04] <hamitron> can't you login using a java terminal or something?
[14:04] <hamitron> I close down sshd on my vps
[14:05] <hamitron> woohoo, all data off the RAID 0 arrays
[14:05] <shauno> I just move it off 22.  I don't care if it's security thru obscurity or whatnot.  I show up in my logs more often than china now.
[14:05] <hamitron> :D
[14:06] <dogmatic69> ok, the site im reading says setting Port in sshd_config is good enough
[14:06] <dogmatic69> that opens said port
[14:06] <hamitron> but not the firewall
[14:07] <dogmatic69> hmm
[14:07] <hamitron> if you have a firewall?
[14:07] <dogmatic69> oh, on amazon there is one...
[14:08] <BigRedS> shauno: you don't need to do that - sshd only affects the login process. Once you've an ssh session, stopping sshd doesn't kill it
[14:08] <BigRedS> so as long as you keep a shell open, you can break sshd
[14:08] <BigRedS> and still fix it
[14:09] <shauno> so then ntl not blowing chunks is my saftey net?   that's not very safe here :)
[14:09] <dogmatic69> only one attempt left though :/
[14:09] <hamitron> if you have no firewall on the machine, and there is a firewall out of your control, it sometimes pays to test the port with nmap and check it is "closed"
[14:09] <BigRedS> I did hear that ubuntu server has a snazzy thing where it starts an sshd on a different port with a plain config for the duration of an upgrade, which sounds handy and thoughtful
[14:10] <shauno> I trust my isp so much that they've stopped answering me on twitter =x
[14:11] <hamitron> is ntl that bad?
[14:11] <shauno> they seem to be rather spotty here.  I rarely go 24 hours without my line dropping
[14:12] <shauno> but it's them, or the national telco.  I get the choice of incompetant, or intentionally evil.
[14:12] <dogmatic69> \o/
[14:12] <dogmatic69> was the ec2 group policies
[14:12] <dogmatic69> thanks guys
[14:13] <hamitron> !usbboot
[14:13] <hamitron> !usb
[14:21] <dogmatic69> ok, i can connect with ssh ... -p xxx
[14:22] <dogmatic69> but setting Port in .ssh/config is not using that port, still uses 22
[14:24]  * HazRPG thinks I missed a lot today's topics it would seem
[14:24] <HazRPG> +of*
[14:25] <brobostigon> good afternoon HazRPG :)
[14:25] <popey> dogmatic69: how are you setting it in .ssh/config ?
[14:25] <HazRPG> brobostigon: goooood afternoonings squire :D
[14:25] <popey> Host foo
[14:25] <popey>   Port NNNN
[14:25] <HazRPG> brobostigon: \o
[14:26] <brobostigon> HazRPG: :)
[14:26] <dogmatic69> host <somename> \n User <user> \n HostName <ip> \n Port <xyz>
[14:26] <dogmatic69> popey: ^
[14:26] <HazRPG> brobostigon: how's you today?
[14:27] <shauno> and then you connect to 'somename' rather than ip/realname?
[14:27] <brobostigon> HazRPG:  up and down-ish, back and hip pain, how about you?
[14:27] <dogmatic69> popey: dont mind me... i was doing ssh  user@host, not ssh <somename>
[14:27] <popey> :)
[14:28] <HazRPG> brobostigon: I'm alright, should really learn to stop slouching as much though
[14:28] <brobostigon> HazRPG: not good for your back, :)
[14:28] <HazRPG> brobostigon: I know :(
[14:28] <HazRPG> brobostigon: its already arched because of years of slouching
[14:28] <oimon> i slouch a lot and it never seems to casuse back problems
[14:28] <brobostigon> HazRPG: yes,thatwont help.
[14:28] <HazRPG> can't help it though
[14:30] <popey> http://twitter.com/dontslouch !
[14:30] <popey> follow that :)
[14:30] <BigRedS> hah. that's awesome!
[14:30]  * BigRedS follows
[14:30] <oimon> www.gettomahawk.com looks like what amarok 2.x should  have been
[14:30] <BigRedS> It'll be like my mum being on twitter
[14:30] <popey> suggestions for better / new things for it to say welcome
[14:31] <davmor2> popey: which editor did you go with in the end?
[14:31] <popey> davmor2: not for me to decide :)
[14:31] <popey> wont get a chance to play till the end of the week when Sophie breaks up from school
[14:31] <oimon> how many years of slouching are required to get a bad back?
[14:38] <oimon> gwibber is an embarrassment. > 2 minutes to start and then missing loads of messages
[14:39] <MooDoo> oimon: install tweetdeck then :p
[14:39] <willy_1977> +1 for tweetdeck
[14:40] <oimon> how much extra crap do i have to install? adobe air?
[14:40] <popey> oimon: ls -l ~/.config/gwibber/*.sqlite
[14:40] <popey> how big is your gwibber db?
[14:40] <oimon> 40mb
[14:41] <popey> http://twitter.com/#!/popey/status/51729802612322304
[14:42] <popey> (kill gwibber and gwibber-service first though)
[14:42] <oimon> cool
[14:42] <oimon> did an rm before i saw that
[14:42] <MartijnVdS> kill gwibber.. I dream of that
[14:42] <oimon> haven't used gwibber since disocering hotot
[14:42] <oimon> but hotot daily build is broken
[14:42] <oimon> no rollback
[14:44] <davmor2> popey: changing -l to -lh makes it far clearer that the answer is shed loads  149M
[14:45] <popey> -rw-r--r-- 1 alan alan 65M 2010-09-22 08:04 gwibber.sqlite
[14:45] <popey> and that's missing 6 months of tweets
[14:45] <popey> did you see the bug report from the guy who has a massive sqlite db?
[14:45] <popey> he follows 17K people
[14:45] <andatche> popey: I've just found something on my todo list I've been neglecting
[14:45] <BigRedS> I found that amusing
[14:45] <andatche> UUPC mirror!
[14:45] <popey> \o/
[14:45] <davmor2> popey: ouch that's gonna be high
[14:46] <popey> yeah, it was GB's
[14:46] <andatche> popey: could you remind me of the details I need to get it configured and I'll get it done this afternoon
[14:47] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/PodcastMirroring
[14:47] <andatche> danke, will ping you when it's done
[14:48] <davmor2> popey: you'd think there would be an option to clear previous data
[14:48] <oimon> arghh 5 mins of gwibber and all the pain is coming pain.. apt-get purge gwibber!
[14:48] <popey> you think it wouldn't attempt to hold your entire archive of tweets from everyone you follow...
[14:49] <willy_1977> or give the user the ability to set the timeframe... then if their daft enough... etc.
[14:49] <willy_1977> they're*
[14:49] <MartijnVdS> popey: but what if you want to reply to something they tweeted 6 years ago?!
[14:49] <popey> good luck getting gwibber to scroll that far
[14:51] <nperry> Because of gwibber I don't uise desktop apps anymore, I use the website...
[14:51] <nperry> Wow, unity support multi monitor good!
[14:51] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: Sadist!
[14:53]  * Laney stops slouching
[14:55] <popey> \o/
[14:55] <willy_1977> ok so can you get gwibber to FRO?
[14:55] <DJones> Afternoon
[14:55] <popey> ahem
[14:55] <popey> sudo apt-get remove gwibber --purge
[14:57] <davmor2> Laney: you can buy one of those car buzzer that goes off if you head tips forward/sideways and attempts to wake you up :D
[14:57] <gord> is gwibber that bad? it isn't so bad for me
[14:57] <popey> yes, it is
[14:57]  * Laney uses seesmic web
[14:57]  * brobostigon hasnt been able to get gwibber do twitter recently, my only major complaint.
[14:57] <popey> but I have 8 accounts on my gwibber
[14:57] <gord> i mean, for me all i require it to do is display tweets and twitter things i say, for my usecase it works fine and is the only thing i have found that supports everything i use
[14:58] <oimon> gwibber is possibly the worst written app on ubuntu, in terms of bugs and slowness.. it's a shame because potentially it could be great
[14:58] <popey> +2
[14:58] <brobostigon> hence i have had to setup twirssi again.
[14:58] <willy_1977> how new is it?
[14:58] <gord> i wish it was more responsive - but thats about it. when you click on a person it takes a while to show what they have been tweeting. makes me think that a simple spinner wound solve that though
[14:59] <davmor2> gord: I'm with you I use it all day no issues
[15:00] <popey> bah, natty is bigger than 700MB
[15:01] <popey> ooo, alternate is okay
[15:01] <gord> what storage is only 700mb? o_O
[15:01] <popey> the iso
[15:01] <nperry> !info dropbox
[15:02] <nperry> !google ubuntu dropboox
[15:02] <nperry> Lazy :P
[15:02] <shauno> disappointing answer.  It should say !google it yourself
[15:03] <oimon> facebook support works with 1/10 messages, gwibber maxing out RAM and CPU usage. takes ages to respond (compare with instantenous hotot)
[15:03] <oimon> other crashy bugs not fixed
[15:03] <popey> the slow response is painful
[15:04] <DJones> brobostigon: I keep trying twirssi, but I've never been able to get it working
[15:04] <popey> i got it working and no longer touch it
[15:04] <brobostigon> DJones: it was hell the first time to setup, and second timealso had loads of trouble, but once setup, it works fairly well.
[15:06] <DJones> brobostigon: Is there a guide you've seen that works ok, I've tried a couple but although it installs, I get error messages trying to log in
[15:07] <gord> are there any alternatives to gwibber that support status net, twitter and buzz? status menu support is also a plus. i'm not against using something else if it works better
[15:09] <oimon> is status.net a copycat of identica?
[15:09] <BigRedS> no, it's what identica is
[15:09] <BigRedS> identica implements status.net
[15:10] <BigRedS> in the same way as Rackspace Cloud is OpenStack
[15:10] <brobostigon> DJones: the first i follwed, was onthe crunchbang wiki.
[15:10] <DJones> brobostigon: Same here, that was what I started with
[15:11]  * TheOpenSourcerer just marks popey 's tweet as a favorite.
[15:11] <brobostigon> DJones: and it seemed to have wroked.
[15:11] <willy_1977> popey: by the way thanks for the removal command ;)
[15:11] <popey> np
[15:11] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: which one?
[15:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> The how to clean Gwibber one
[15:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's getting painful.
[15:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> ~500MB
[15:12] <popey> ahhh
[15:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> alord@lobsang:~$ ls -lh ~/.config/gwibber/*.sqlite
[15:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> -rw-r--r-- 1 alord alord 458M 2011-03-28 15:06 /home/alord/.config/gwibber/gwibber.sqlite
[15:13] <brobostigon> 1.8M    gwibber.sqlite
[15:14] <gord> maybe gwibber only struggles if you are popular on the twitters ;)
[15:14] <brobostigon> maybe,
[15:14]  * oimon only have follower/ing in douoble figures
[15:14] <brobostigon> not to sayi am notpopular, because i am not.
[15:14] <oimon> any app that logs verbosely into sqlite and doesn't have garbage collect /cleaning up is alpha quality
[15:15] <oimon> and advertises stuff that doesn't actually work properly
[15:15] <brobostigon> oimon: like its twitter module.
[15:16] <directhex> i use tweetdeck, for my sins
[15:16] <dogmatic69> if i have from="<ip>" <pub-key> in .ssh/authorized_keys, what is the chance that someone has the same external ip as an internal one?
[15:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> What are some alternatives to gwibber? Don't want tweetdeck though - tried it and didn't like it plus all the Air stuff...
[15:17] <directhex> TheOpenSourcerer, most twitter clients are using a bloaty framework like Air, or integration into a chat client like irssi/smuxi
[15:17] <brobostigon> air on my eeepc, is more painful than gwibber.
[15:17] <directhex>  /empathy/etc
[15:17] <JGJones> I'm using Hotot as my twitter client
[15:18] <oimon> there's a few kde ones: choqok has good features but ugly ui
[15:18] <JGJones> Nicer to use than Gwibber, but it's alpha
[15:18] <oimon> http://choqok.gnufolks.org/
[15:18] <JGJones> VERY nice UI though
[15:18] <popey> "kde ones" "ugly ui"
[15:18] <popey> fancy that
[15:18]  * TheOpenSourcerer reads about http://hotot.org/
[15:19] <oimon> JGJones: hotot is broken right now
[15:19] <popey> hah
[15:19] <oimon> i don't think new users can add a twitter account
[15:19] <oimon> that's the problem i have since 0.9.6
[15:19] <JGJones> oimon, I was able to add a twitter account.
[15:20] <nperry> !info ubuntu-mono/natty
[15:20] <nperry> !info ubuntu-mono natty
[15:20] <oimon> JGJones: :(
[15:20] <oimon> JGJones: just now?
[15:21] <DJones> brobostigon: This is the error I get as soon as I use the /twitter_login command http://paste.org/pastebin/view/30896
[15:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hotot just installed and worked for me.
[15:24] <JGJones> oimon, few days ago
[15:24]  * oimon is sad
[15:24] <JGJones> oimon, suggest you remove all profiles for hotot and try again
[15:24] <oimon> i've purged all stuffs from my machine
[15:24] <JGJones> oimon, in your home
[15:25] <oimon> are you using the hotot ppa
[15:25] <JGJones> oimon, um...I believe so
[15:26] <oimon> mine was working until recently
[15:26] <oimon> tried all the versions in my /var/apt/cache/archives
[15:27] <JGJones> I noticed a update for hotot today, but it's still 0.9.6 and that still works, although i do get error messages, but otherwise it works.
[15:27] <brobostigon> DJones: no idea,sorry, i would go and ask the perl guys, as it looks like anerror inthatperl module.
[15:27] <oimon> hey, that's bizarre
[15:28] <oimon> JGJones: been trying for 1 hr, then suddenly it worked with no intervention - must hve been a twitter server error
[15:29] <oimon> one annoying thing is that you can't delete tweets from your timeline , or mark them as read, when others mention you.
[15:29] <JGJones> oimon, it's still alpha :)
[15:33] <oimon> anyone who finds gwibber's responsiveness acceptable hasn't used hotot :)
[15:33] <brobostigon> oimon: what protocols does it do, it doesnt say much on their site.
[15:34] <oimon> brobostigon: only twitter and identica for now.
[15:34] <JGJones> brobostigon, twitter and identi.ca
[15:34] <brobostigon> status.net?
[15:34] <JGJones> no...just the two
[15:35] <popey> status.net _is_ identi.ca
[15:35] <popey> well, vice versa
[15:35] <brobostigon> so ptaylor.status.net/ptaylor is supported?
[15:35] <brobostigon> or isn*
[15:35] <brobostigon> isnt*
[15:35] <BigRedS> dogmatic69: depends on the IP
[15:35] <BigRedS> but if you've two hosts on the same network sharing an IP, things will be very broken
[15:35] <BigRedS> you'd notice
[15:36] <brobostigon> i will rss their blog, and keep my eye open.
[15:37] <oimon> brobostigon: it is an active project, so it's worth raising a feature feqest
[15:37] <oimon> feqest=request
[15:38] <brobostigon> oimon: ok, i will try it out later and see what i think.
[15:40] <dogmatic69> BigRedS: like 10.x.x.x
[15:40] <dogmatic69> internal ec2 ip
[15:42] <BigRedS> brobostigon: I've no idea, really, I don't know what sort of setup you have on ec2
[15:42] <BigRedS> does also depend upon what the IP actully is
[15:43] <brobostigon> BigRedS: umm, ?
[16:10] <Snomi> getting a 'kernal panic' and it says it cannot open root sda5 when I try to boot ubuntu
[16:10] <shauno> curious, what's the backstory to this?
[16:11] <Snomi> shauno: there isnt any. only that ubuntu updated
[16:11] <Snomi> i can run windows fine
[16:12] <dogmatic69> sda5 is a drive that was mounted?
[16:12] <Snomi> no..
[16:13] <Snomi> also it said 'please append correct 'root=' '
[16:14] <shauno> yeah, they're the same issue.  it's trying to use sda5 as your root device.  when it can't find a root device, it dies.  before it dies, it'll leave suggestions that you try to find what it couldn't
[16:14] <shauno> it should be searching by uuid tho, which is why I asked if there's any history to this
[16:15] <shauno> do you have any drives (even usb) connected that wouldn't usually be?
[16:16] <Snomi> shauno: no
[16:16] <shauno> I think your best bet is going to be to boot from a livecd, and from there we can find out what drive your root should be, and where grub thinks it is.  and make sure they're the same answer
[16:17] <Snomi> yeah
[16:20] <willy_1977> is this still on going? if so...did it upgrade to the alpha release? only asking because I had this when I "upgraded" recently, and I fixed it by going through to the previous kernels recovery option and rebuilding grub.cfg with the option that is displayed (sorry can't remember the exact option) YMMV of course.
[16:21] <shauno> sounds like a pretty sensible option (if sda5 is there, and a recent kernel is fluffed.  that'd be a pretty bad fluf tho)
[16:23] <willy_1977> I don't think it was the kernel to be honest - I was having my own panic and just decided to go back a stage and calm down :) I'm saying it may work just going through the recovery option on your current kernel.
[16:23] <willy_1977> also no further updates and the new kernel worked post grub.cfg update... so that leads me to believe I was being a great jessie ;)
[16:24] <tyreza> hello
[16:24] <tyreza> anyone there ?
[16:24] <willy_1977> tyreza, hello.
[16:24] <tyreza> hello willy_1977
[16:24] <tyreza> who know sed ?
[16:25] <tyreza> using sed is it possible to change a value ?
[16:26] <shauno> tyreza: for example?
[16:26] <willy_1977> guess it depends
[16:28] <tyreza> i need to change wiki to mickey on a file
[16:28] <tyreza> how to do ?
[16:29] <dwatkins> use a regular expression that's very carefully crafted, tyreza
[16:29] <shauno> sed 's/wiki/mickey/g' <oldfile >newfile
[16:29] <tyreza> great now
[16:29] <dwatkins> What if the fil contains the word "wikipedia"?
[16:29] <dwatkins> *file
[16:30] <shauno> then welcome to mickeypedia :)
[16:30]  * dwatkins grins
[16:30] <tyreza> ok
[16:30] <daubers> \o/ Disneys dream of world domination comes true
[16:30] <tyreza> lol
[16:30] <tyreza> i need to delete just only  a line called mickepedia
[16:31] <tyreza> how to do it using sed ?
[16:31] <dwatkins> That's a very different thing from replacing, tyreza.
[16:31] <tyreza> so i can't use sed
[16:31] <tyreza> ?
[16:31] <dwatkins> You can, you might want to use grep -v, though.
[16:32] <dwatkins> I suggest backing up all files first, and running tests.
[16:32] <shauno> it may be better if you try to describe what you're trying to do fully, rather than get hung up on which tool you're going to use for it
[16:32] <tyreza> using grep -v we can delete a line ?
[16:32] <dwatkins> tyreza: as shauno says, what exactly do you want to do?
[16:32] <willy_1977> shauno, +1 to that.
[16:34] <tyreza> i simply need to remove a line wich is present on network interfaces file
[16:34] <dwatkins> What is uniue to this line, and could you not just edit the file by hand?
[16:34] <dwatkins> *unique
[16:34] <tyreza> yes of course i can
[16:34] <tyreza> but i need to do the same thing on several pc
[16:34] <tyreza> i got ssh access
[16:35] <dwatkins> I suspected that might be the case, understood.
[16:35] <tyreza> on 3 pc
[16:35] <tyreza> i simply want to simplify the task that's all
[16:35] <dwatkins> You want a one-liner you can run on muiltiple machines and re-use when you have to reinstall them, in other words.
[16:35] <Snomi> willy_1977: yeah probably had the same as you
[16:35] <dwatkins> I would also ask why the line needs removing, but that's another question.
[16:36] <willy_1977> Snomi, so sorted now?
[16:36] <tyreza> me tyreza take the decision to remove that file
[16:36] <tyreza> i can't tell you more on that
[16:37] <shauno> now this is odd, watching the same conversation in two channels ;)  makes me glad it's time for me to go home.  back in an hour or so
[16:38] <dwatkins> o.O
[16:38]  * dwatkins goes to a meeting, back later
[16:38] <willy_1977> shauno, "enjoy" the commute.
[16:38] <shauno> I will!  it's sunny out
[16:38] <willy_1977> and you're on the way home!!!
[16:38] <shauno> when it's this nice out there, not driving rocks :)
[16:39] <oimon> \o/ does the sysadmin dance
[16:40] <BigRedS> oimon: is that the walk to the pub?
[16:40] <oimon> BigRedS: it's the dance you do when fixing a weird problem
[16:41] <oimon> you know i have issues with hanging (
[16:41] <DJones> oimon: Is that this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C6r6fG4k40
[16:42] <oimon> well, ) i also notice that NXEA have started saying "full complement" of carriages instead of compliment in their twice daily emails...double yay
[16:42] <oimon> DJones: is that RMS?
[16:42] <DJones> Yep :)
[16:43] <BigRedS> oimon: Ah! The getting-a-celebratory-coffee one :)
[16:43] <oimon> djones more like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSR9ZrREb40
[16:43] <directhex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqvymLQEiB8
[16:44] <oimon> ARRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHH it's not fixed
[16:45] <oimon> ah wait...maybe it is
[16:45] <DJones> oimon: I thought that was the Safety Dance
[16:46]  * oimon is having issues with large files >2gb  cannot be created on a filesystem
[16:46] <dogmatic69> x64
[16:46] <bigcalm> directhex: fnar fnar
[16:46] <daubers> oimon: Fat32?
[16:47] <oimon> ext3, turns out i have to pass -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 to the C compiler
[16:47]  * oimon waits to find out if he is successful
[16:48] <dogmatic69> fatx, fat16 and fatx have 2gig limits
[16:49] <directhex> fatx does? really? what's the point of it then?
[16:49] <oimon> ..............\o/    dances across the room in victory
[16:49] <dogmatic69> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems
[16:49] <willy_1977> directhex, fatx as in the xbox format...?
[16:50] <willy_1977> exFat is something like 16EiB
[16:53] <bigcalm> Daviey: stop talking, you're flooding this place :P
[16:54] <dogmatic69> willy_1977: 127 PB
[16:54] <bigcalm> Daviey: awaken
[16:57] <dogmatic69> slightly off topic... anyone into bikes?
[16:58] <willy_1977> dogmatic69: I'm into the pedal bike variety... :)
[16:58] <bigcalm> ARGH!
[16:58]  * brobostigon shakes fist at the washing up.
[16:58]  * dogmatic69 wants something a bit faster :P
[16:58] <bigcalm> How come it's 5pm?
[16:59] <willy_1977> shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiii.... 1700 already... :o
[16:59] <dogmatic69> beats 18:00
[16:59] <willy_1977> oh... that means...
[16:59] <willy_1977> be back later... time for me to "do one"...
[17:00] <dogmatic69> o.o
[17:00] <DJones> Heh, my dad has just had a phone call from an overseas gentleman to tell him that his computer has got a virus & they could fix it if he connects to their website logmein123.com which would give them remote access
[17:00] <bigcalm> o.O
[17:00] <bigcalm> Goodness
[17:00] <oimon> i've never had one of those calls..
[17:01] <DJones> oimon: There's quite a bit on the internet about the scams
[17:01] <brobostigon> DJones: i hope  you told him to ignore them.
[17:02] <oimon> i wonder if PC world just send the customer lists
[17:02] <oimon> i mean, a rogue employee
[17:02] <brobostigon> oimon: you bet.
[17:03] <DJones> He must have been wetting himself laughing though, they told him to click on the internet explorer icon, I haven't got one of them, ok, click the Start button, I don't have that. Which version of Windows are you using, I don't know, my son set it up, its got a purple screen :)
[17:03] <brobostigon> DJones: hehe, :)
[17:04] <Daviey> bigcalm, sorry :(
[17:05] <DJones> brobostigon: For a 70+ year old he's not as senile as you'd think :)
[17:05] <brobostigon> DJones: :)
[17:09] <DJones> hah, just told me, after that, they asked for his email address and they'd send him a file that would do it for him, not sure what his email address was, ok, open up Outlook express or windows live mail, I use evolution for my email.......Their reply, What is Evolution? Dad's reply its the email it comes with
[17:10] <brobostigon> :)
[17:11]  * bigcalm hugs Daviey
[17:12] <bigcalm> DJones: was your dad playing along?
[17:13] <DJones> just slightly, he knows exactly what o/s he uses
[17:13] <brobostigon> DJones: yes. :)
[17:13] <bigcalm> Oh good
[17:14] <DJones> Mainly because I have to keep reminding him that he doesn't need to be worried about emails everybody forwards to him telling him to watch out for viruses by email called Postcard.exe etc
[17:14] <brobostigon> oh, sorry, i misunderstood.
[17:16] <davmor2> hahahahahahahahahaha.   Under unity hit alt-f2 and type in free the fish it's funnier than watching the fish swim by :)
[17:20] <czajkowski> I get there is no... ter egg in unity
[17:20] <BigRedS> it works in Gnome whatever-came-before-unity too
[17:20] <BigRedS> is that 2.x or 1.x?
[17:22] <Snomi> the reason it didnt work was because the update didnt complete >.<
[17:23] <davmor2> BigRedS: no it tells you there is no easter egg in unity
[17:24] <davmor2> BigRedS: with a picture of wonder
[17:27]  * brobostigon has found another bug, in empathy 2.91.93 facebook contcts dont update properly as people come on or offline, and are also invisible incontact list,when they are talking to you.
[17:27] <BigRedS> davmor2: ahh
[17:28] <davmor2> BigRedS: so there is an easter egg to tell you there is no easter egg :D
[17:29] <BigRedS> heh heh
[17:44] <Fanshawe> Hey popey. I see you lurking, and I remember you saying you had an old Eee 900 which was equally as buggered as mine.
[17:44] <Fanshawe> I think mine's okay now, it involved a few distro switches, though.
[17:44] <Fanshawe> Eeebuntu 3, then Easypeasy, and now it's running on that just fine. Unfortunately, I hate netbook editions.
[17:45] <popey> hah
[17:47] <Fanshawe> BUT, it's not bricked and I can recover all the stuff I backed up, so I'm happy. I recommend giving Eeebuntu a try before binning the entire thing, though.
[17:48] <popey> great stuff
[17:48] <Fanshawe> I know, not thoroughly technical advice, but it's saved me a whole lot of hassle, and 'tis usable again.
[17:48] <Fanshawe> Anyway, thanks to you guys for the help.
[17:49] <popey> np
[17:49] <Fanshawe> Oh, one more thing, did you have that link to the problem logged somewhere? It's a reported bug, right?
[17:52] <czajkowski> popey: do you have any live usb of karmic at home?
[17:52] <popey> karmic!?
[17:52] <popey> no
[17:52] <popey> easy enough to make one tho
[17:53] <czajkowski> yup :) I need to see if a karmic install may get my mini 9 back to life, if not it goes in the bin
[17:53] <popey> whats wrong with the 9 ?
[17:53] <czajkowski> popey: could you make one up for me tomorrow. my virigin internets is pish posh today
[17:53] <czajkowski> it went all wrong installing natty a few weeks back
[17:53] <popey> sure
[17:53] <popey> why karmic though
[17:53] <czajkowski> and it seemingly fails a memory test
[17:53] <popey> thats old old
[17:53] <czajkowski> yes but it worked well on karmic and it wasnt till I went to upgrade to maverick things went hairy
[17:54] <popey> install maverick rather than upgrade?
[17:54] <czajkowski> I think 2 of the usb ports are gone as well so done to last one to try.
[17:54] <czajkowski> maverick didnt work well on it
[17:54] <czajkowski> :s
[17:54] <czajkowski> if not tis going in the bin
[17:54] <shauno> you upgraded karmic to maverick?
[17:54] <shauno> (eg, without giving lucid a lil hug on the way past)
[17:55] <czajkowski> and possibly buying http://www.pcwb.co.uk/catalogue/item/A0561342?gclid=CI7H--vc8acCFcoa4QodYhknaw
[17:55] <czajkowski> shauno: no I went to lucid also.
[17:55] <shauno> okie.  had to ask :o)
[17:55] <czajkowski> there are a lot of threads on the Ubuntu mailing list over that laptop
[17:56] <Fanshawe> popey: Is it worth trying Natty on the Eee?
[17:56] <popey> dunno, not tried natty on mine
[17:56] <brobostigon> i have.
[17:56] <popey> czajkowski: drop the 9 round my place, I'll fix it
[17:56] <popey> :)
[17:56] <popey> or gimmie it tomorrow
[17:57] <czajkowski> if you fix it beers are on me :)
[17:57] <shauno> just be careful he doesn't get too much sugar, else drpope will fill it full of bear :/
[17:57] <brobostigon> aslong as you canavoid the gpu-lockup/hang errors because of xserver-xorg-video-intel, it would be worth trying, but you might not get them.
[17:58] <popey> brobostigon: bugs filed?
[17:58] <brobostigon> popey: yes.
[17:58] <brobostigon> popey: including after reports of repeated hangs/lockups.
[17:59] <czajkowski> hmm I feel the need to have spag bol tonight.  To the co-op
[17:59] <brobostigon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/715096
[18:00] <brobostigon> Fanshawe: other than that bug, natty works fine.
[18:01] <brobostigon> hence i am running in vesa mode right now.
[18:01] <exobuzz> i only had gpu lockups since 2.6.38 they go when downgrading to 2.6.37 so perhaps its not only the driver. having said that, the lockups i had were with 2.6.38rc and since final ive only had one freeze (temporary)
[18:01] <Fanshawe> brobostigon: Thanks. You remember the error I had, though, right?
[18:01] <brobostigon> Fanshawe: yes, i havent seen it yet here in natty.
[18:02] <exobuzz> they added a bunch of intel stuff to 2.6.38 regarding intel gpus
[18:02] <Fanshawe> Alright. I'll go for it, because I can't stand the 'netbook optimised' thing I'm running here.
[18:03] <brobostigon> exobuzz: since i changed to vesa, no lockups/hangs,
[18:04] <Fanshawe> That's odd. Anyone direct me to a working link for Natty?
[18:04] <Fanshawe> I could even go back down to 10.04 if it's required, or will that incur the same bug?
[18:04] <brobostigon> Fanshawe: cdimage.ubuntu.com
[18:05] <exobuzz> brobostigon, i need my h/w acceleration though
[18:05] <brobostigon> Fanshawe: i didnt get the gpu lockup in 10.10.
[18:05] <brobostigon> exobuzz: me too, but i am hoping this is a temporerymeasure.
[18:06] <exobuzz> brobostigon, try downgrading to 2.6.37 kernel and see if its ok then
[18:06] <brobostigon> exobuzz: i will try that, i think i still have a 37 installed.
[18:08] <Fanshawe> I might openly weep if Natty brings about the same problem. But I guess I can always go back to the setup I have now.
[18:17] <JGJones> I've got a important support query here....
[18:17] <brobostigon> JGJones: fire away, :)
[18:17] <JGJones> Just getting into Minecraft - and doing a farm - would making a underground water lake with a block of soil work for farming? (what....you mean this is for Ubuntu only?)
[18:17] <JGJones> :D
[18:18] <shauno> JGJones: yes.  my wheat farm is 3 floors deep and all underground.  the only restriction is water beside soil and one block of air above soil.  and light.  torches are sufficient.
[18:18] <brobostigon> lol
[18:19] <bigcalm> Think light stone would work?
[18:19] <shauno> haven't tried.  torches are cheaper :o)
[18:20] <JGJones> shauno - thanks...now off to construct my small farm...
[18:21] <shauno> I'm not sure how to describe my setup, but I put a row of water with two blocks of glass on top.  then a row of soil with 1 block of glass on top (soil, air, glass).  then a row of floor with no glass.
[18:21] <shauno> stops anything falling in the water, stops me falling in the wheat :o)
[18:22] <Azelphur> shauno: sounds similar to mine
[18:22] <shauno> (yes, it's way OT.  at work we're told that if the customer thinks it's important, then it's important :p  )
[18:22] <directhex> #ubuntu-uk-minecraft
[18:22] <shauno> ((unless the customer is poor))
[18:22] <Azelphur> xD
[18:22] <JGJones> thanks directhex - joining that now
[18:23] <Azelphur> shauno: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/March%202010/2011-03-28_18.22.19.png here's mine :p
[18:24] <directhex> lava?
[18:24] <Fanshawe> Maybe I'm being a massive idiot here, but what can I use to create a Live ISO with Natty on a USB?
[18:24] <Azelphur> directhex: indeed, minecraft UV lamps xD
[18:25] <Azelphur> Fanshawe: unetbootin
[18:25] <Fanshawe> Right, got it.
[18:25] <Azelphur> Fanshawe: it's in the repos you just give it an iso and off it goes, should work with any linux distro :)
[18:26] <Fanshawe> Cool, thank you Azelphur.
[18:27] <Fanshawe> Also, in light of all my mistakes recently, I've decided it's wise to keep an extra USB with Puppy on it, just in case.
[18:27] <brobostigon> Fanshawe: i have a dual booted haiku and debian for that, from sdhc.
[18:28] <Fanshawe> My netbook seems a little bit too small to dual boot. 4GB native drive.
[18:28] <brobostigon> Fanshawe: mine is 16GB here.
[18:30] <Fanshawe> I should consider updating my three year old laptop.
[18:30] <Fanshawe> er, netbook.
[18:31] <Fanshawe> Maybe get something alongside it.
[18:39] <shauno> Azelphur: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23042/2011-03-28_18.38.00.png   (the T shape glass over the water is my key to making harvesting smooth)
[18:39] <Azelphur> shauno: yea the T shape is what I have, but I have the middle of the T missing and I put lava there so I have UV Lamps instead of torches :D
[18:40] <shauno> I found coal galore mining that out.  not so much lava :o)
[18:40] <Azelphur> hehe, I have a base at Y=11
[18:40] <shauno> tis something I'll keep in mind, but I tend to make messes with lava
[18:41] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:42] <shauno> last one, just because it tickles my geek; lava messes on purpose :o)  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23042/2011-03-14_03.32.32.png
[18:43] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:43] <hamitron> all fixed
[18:43] <hamitron> :)
[18:43] <jacobw> I'm thinking of buying a netbook, what would you guys recommend?
[18:43] <hamitron> one with more than 600 pixel height screen
[18:44]  * jacobw remembers this being a hassle with his old AA1
[18:44] <hamitron> I dunno how good it was, but amazon had one with an HD display for 200 quid
[18:44] <hamitron> it looked good
[18:45] <Azelphur> jacobw: I bought a really nice EEE that I'm happy with
[18:46] <Azelphur> jacobw: although I want a tablet netbook myself, they are cool :D
[18:46] <hamitron> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lenovo-IdeaPad-netbook-1-66GHz-Bluetooth/dp/tech-data/B004300L7A/ref=de_a_smtd
[18:46]  * brobostigon shouts and screams and shakes his fist at peoples, un-decisiveness making things more difficult.
[18:47] <shauno> I still don't "get" netbooks, really :(
[18:47] <Azelphur> lol
[18:47] <brobostigon> sorry.
[18:48] <Azelphur> jacobw: http://azelphur.com/my-new-netbook-asus-1001p-review my netbook, I love it
[18:48] <Azelphur> I wanna sell it so I can get something like this though http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ASUS-Eee-PC-T101MT-10-1-Touchscreen-Tablet-Netbook-/110665921011?pt=UK_Computing_Laptops_EH&hash=item19c433f1f3#ht_500wt_1158
[18:49] <jacobw> Hmm, I don't want a touchscreen on my 'PC' just yet
[18:49] <hamitron> Azelphur: did it run 2nd life?
[18:49] <Azelphur> hamitron: it did.
[18:49] <hamitron> :)
[18:49]  * brobostigon wants another BeBox, :)
[18:49] <Azelphur> it won't do minecraft though, even with the +20fps hack :(
[18:50] <hamitron> but I would look at something like Azelphur wants
[18:50] <hamitron> then i wouldn't need a seperate ebook reader
[18:51] <hamitron> be nicer with 768 pixel height....
[18:52] <hamitron> my first comp did 800x600
[18:52] <hamitron> ;/
[18:52] <Azelphur> my laptop does 1920x1200 xD
[18:53] <hamitron> Azelphur: what resolutions does it do at std aspect ratio?
[18:53] <shauno> hamitron: my first comp did 192x160.  You're spoilt :p
[18:53] <Azelphur> my 1001P? not sure
[18:53] <hamitron> that WUXGA?
[18:54] <jacobw> What is the battery life like Azelphur ?
[18:54] <hamitron> my laptops are UXGA (1600x1200) and I love it
[18:54] <hamitron> :)
[18:54] <Azelphur> jacobw: on my netbook? it'll do 7-8 hours
[18:54] <Azelphur> it's pretty insane :p
[18:54]  * hamitron pokes Azelphur
[18:54] <hamitron> look at the resolutions ;)
[18:54]  * Azelphur counter pokes
[18:54] <hamitron> :-o
[18:55] <Azelphur> but I have to walk all the way over to the other side of the room and get it :(
[18:55] <Azelphur> long walk is long :(
[18:55] <hamitron> DO IT
[18:55] <hamitron> ;/
[18:55] <hamitron> pretty plz
[18:55] <hamitron> ;)
[18:55] <Azelphur> ok :P
[18:56] <hamitron> although, when i beefy 200mhz cpu comp comes, won't need a netbook
[18:56] <hamitron> s/i/my
[18:57] <hamitron> still be nice to have ssomething portable
[18:58] <hamitron> Azelphur: you not considered the dell inspiron duo?
[18:58] <Azelphur> course I have, it's shiny
[18:58] <hamitron> yeh
[18:58] <hamitron> :)
[18:58] <hamitron> and the advertising is as good as Apple
[18:59] <hamitron> Azelphur: it has to be scaled correctly too on your Eee
[19:00] <Azelphur> hamitron: 1024 x 600 (16:9)
[19:00] <Azelphur> according to monitor preferences :)
[19:00] <hamitron> 800x600?
[19:00] <Azelphur> it can do that at 4:3
[19:00] <hamitron> with black lines either side I hope
[19:00] <hamitron> yeh, 4:3 is what I am interested in
[19:00] <hamitron> :)
[19:00] <Azelphur> yup, black lines either side
[19:00] <hamitron> and 5:4
[19:01] <hamitron> anything higher than 800x600?
[19:02] <Azelphur> it's just 1024x600, 800x600, 640x480
[19:02] <hamitron> ok, ty
[19:03] <hamitron> if there were drivers for win98, would be a win
[19:03] <Azelphur> can't you just vm win98?
[19:03] <hamitron> I'd only want win98 for games
[19:03] <hamitron> I'm guessing it would be slow
[19:04] <Azelphur> I doubt it
[19:04] <Azelphur> win98 era games should work in a vm
[19:04] <shauno> slower than the computers 98 was designed to run on?
[19:04] <hamitron> vm are not good for 3d
[19:04] <hamitron> I'd want 1.6ghz cpu and raw GPU performance
[19:04] <hamitron> :)
[19:05] <shauno> vmware's not too bad for 3d (windows guest)
[19:05] <hamitron> it so is
[19:05] <hamitron> I tried it last week hoping it would be good
[19:05] <hamitron> :/
[19:06] <shauno> I'll rephrase.  I play games in vmware.  have fun finding win32 drivers for anything made in the last 5 years
[19:06] <shauno> :p
[19:06] <hamitron> drivers are the problem
[19:06] <hamitron> :/
[19:07] <hamitron> so what games do you play?
[19:07] <shauno> the worst part is, if you find them; your reward is windows 98
[19:07] <hamitron> haha
[19:07] <shauno> red alert 2.  westwood need mac support, like, yesterday
[19:07] <hamitron> my ideal setup would be win98 for games, than linux for proper use
[19:07] <hamitron> :)
[19:08] <shauno> (yes, that's not really 3d.  but everything else I can run sensibly, natively)
[19:08] <hamitron> on a netbook?
[19:08] <shauno> no, I don't have a netbook
[19:09] <shauno> I'd explain why, but this place errs towards family-friendly language :o)
[19:09] <hamitron> problem with vmware on a netbook, you are lacking power to play stuff natively
[19:09] <shauno> problem with * on a netbook, you are lacking *
[19:09] <hamitron> hehe
[19:10] <shauno> if lacking is a problem, you're buying the wrong tool for the wrong job
[19:10] <hamitron> sort of
[19:10] <hamitron> but IF you could run win98 on them, there would be a huge library of games that would play well on them
[19:11] <hamitron> the intel graphics aren't that bad for older games
[19:14] <ali1234> i noticed that red alert is available in the ovi store now
[19:15] <ali1234> i was going to dl it but it said "this app collects information for advertising purposes" so i didn't
[19:15] <shauno> the way I see it, really, is you buy a tool for a job.  if the job isn't "mobility", the tool isn't "a netbook".  there's much better ways to spend £200 on a win98 gaming machine.
[19:16] <ali1234> netbooks are rarely the right tool for the job
[19:16] <ali1234> they are really only good if you need to hack on the move and don't want to carry a full laptop
[19:16] <shauno> I think they have their niche.  I don't think games are it.
[19:16] <ali1234> and also you have tiny hands
[19:17] <shauno> if you have tiny hands, btw, I'd like to borrow you to reassemble some stuff I took apart yesterday :(
[19:17] <ali1234> i'm pretty good at that stuff
[19:18] <ali1234> i put this back together: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/ideapad/20101125_020.jpg
[19:18] <hamitron> I have normal laptop for games, just too big to carry
[19:18] <shauno> there's a band of plastic I can't seem to get back into place in my gp2x.  whenever I try, it starts going from red to pink.  and I'm well aware that introducing whiteness in plastic is a sure sign you're doing it wrong.
[19:18] <ali1234> yeah
[19:19] <shauno> hamitron: get a motorcycle to carry the laptop.  it'll last longer, and be more fun than win98 :D
[19:19] <ali1234> i don't see the point of a laptop for gaming
[19:19] <hamitron> :)
[19:19] <hamitron> ali1234: for when away from home
[19:20] <ali1234> i don't play games when away from home
[19:20] <shauno> my laptop's my main machine.  gaming's not a problem.
[19:20] <ali1234> because when i go outside my house it's for one of three reasons: work, visiting someone, on holiday
[19:20] <ali1234> or 4: gone to shops
[19:20] <ali1234> no reason to play games in any of these cases
[19:20] <shauno> you're not me :o)  my laptop plays games at work .. on weekends
[19:21] <ali1234> yeah, i don't have a job where i sit around doing nothing
[19:21] <hamitron> I used to play games on the train when travelling
[19:21] <ali1234> i used to have a job like that, it made me crazy and i had to quit
[19:21] <hamitron> but get sick of carrying a brick
[19:22] <hamitron> and a netbook is better suited for games, than the average phone imo
[19:22] <shauno> I'm perfectly capable of doing nothing.  It's when they start inventing tasks for the sole point of looking like we're doing something, that craziness sets in
[19:22] <hamitron> hehe
[19:25] <shauno> this week I do nothing.  it's cool.  it's a 2-day week.  next week I get to train romanians on 408 volts without killing them.  Weeks like that make quiet weeks perfectly acceptable.
[19:27] <hamitron> http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=DXretj33CC7MoAHh
[19:28] <shauno> heeee that's funny.  "Elegant Seashell Inspired Design".
[19:28] <shauno> s/Seashell/Macbook Air/
[19:29] <hamitron> haha, yeh
[19:29] <hamitron> but has SIS chipset
[19:29] <hamitron> ;)
[19:30] <hamitron> damn it
[19:30] <hamitron> is it just me, or is the SIS website messed?
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> yes
[19:31] <shauno> Possibly. Is there a chance it fell into disuse years ago?
[19:31] <hamitron> works in IE
[19:31] <hamitron> :/
[19:34] <shauno> what version IE?
[19:35] <hamitron> 8
[19:35] <shauno> seems to work here.  a bit dated, but functional
[19:36] <hamitron> I was using chrome
[19:37] <shauno> anyhow.  I'm off for the night.  I'll quit ribbing you for acting older than you oughta :p
[19:37] <hamitron> SIS provide drivers
[19:37] <hamitron> \o/
[19:37] <hamitron> me?
[19:37] <hamitron> ;/
[19:37] <shauno> aye
[19:37] <hamitron> ;\
[19:37] <hamitron> laters
[19:38] <shauno> nowt wrong with it.  you just keep striking me as 40+ :)
[19:39] <shauno> makes perfect sense if the savings are going into a new bike tho :D
[19:39] <hamitron> I've seen the bike today
[19:39] <hamitron> £2500
[19:40] <hamitron> 1400 miles on the clock :/
[19:40] <smittix> evening all
[19:40] <hamitron> evening
[19:40] <shauno> 1400 miles is nothing
[19:40] <hamitron> so long as it has been run in properly
[19:41] <shauno> will they let you play with it?
[19:41] <hamitron> shop wasn't open
[19:41] <shauno> oh
[19:41] <hamitron> it was 8am
[19:41] <hamitron> :/
[19:42] <shauno> that's how I shop.  if it makes you grin like you're 7 again, it's worth it
[19:42] <hamitron> both my bikes still do
[19:42] <hamitron> :)
[19:42] <shauno> that's why I'm still paying off a loan on a mini  :o(
[19:43] <shauno> but it's still the only proper mini in the state.  our time together was worth it :D
[19:44] <hamitron> hehe
[19:44] <shauno> 'night
[19:44] <hamitron> nn o/
[19:44] <NET||abuse> hi guys..
[19:44] <hamitron> evening
[19:45] <NET||abuse> got a weird snv issue, when i try to checkout my svn repo  I get             svn: OPTIONS of 'http://blah.com/svn/trunk' : 200 OK (http://blah.com)
[19:45] <NET||abuse> ubuntu hardy server (lol) and ubuntu 10.10 laptop
[19:46] <NET||abuse> any idea what's causing that?
[19:47] <X3N> there isn't an actual error there, so that's a bit difficult to say
[19:48] <NET||abuse> hmm
[19:48] <NET||abuse> is there a way to get more verbosity out of svn
[19:48] <NET||abuse> ?
[19:48] <X3N> you might want to use GIT instead if you want revision control, most people have depreciated svn in favour of git
[19:49] <NET||abuse> :(
[19:49] <NET||abuse> but i don't know git
[19:49] <NET||abuse> :(
[19:50] <X3N> it's not too difficult
[19:50] <X3N> i'd say it was worth learning given the uptake
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> or any distributed vcs really
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> Git is nice, but its command-line ui exposes way too much of its buts
[19:51] <MartijnVdS> easier to start with hg or bzr (to learn the concepts), then switch to git later if required/wanted
[19:54] <hamitron> http://old.nabble.com/svn-initial-setup-help-td25246670.html
[19:55] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: git, bzr, hg can all speak svn if they have to :)
[19:56] <hamitron> I was still looking for the dude ;/
[19:56] <MartijnVdS> hamitron: Lebowski?
[19:56] <jpds> MartijnVdS: Your name's Lebowski, dude.
[19:57]  * hamitron spanks NET||abuse
[19:57] <hamitron> see link, may help
[19:57] <NET||abuse> jpds, eh?
[19:58] <NET||abuse> urghh,, I mean hamitron eh?
[19:58] <hamitron> looks like same output?
[19:58] <NET||abuse> yup, but not the same problem.
[19:59] <NET||abuse> the repo is live and visible in browser as i'm using web_dab
[19:59] <NET||abuse> ug,, web_dav
[19:59] <NET||abuse> i'm pasting the url from the browser straight to my svn command linei input
[20:00] <NET||abuse> so there's not path mixup like in nthe example.
[20:01] <hamitron> k
[20:02] <NET||abuse> hamitron, ok, so to give you an indication   http://svn.ashebrowne.com/svn/  is the parent path to my svn repos, i only have this one repo in there right now.
[20:02] <AlanBell> evening all
[20:03] <brobostigon> good evening AlanBell
[20:03] <NET||abuse> hamitron, so if you click on it, you get the auth popup, i  can login and see all my files
[20:03] <willy_1977> evening AlanBell
[20:03] <NET||abuse> so that stuff is wworking.
[20:04] <bigcalm> Anybody got an opinion on Buffalo Ministation 500GB - http://cuth.eu/buffhd
[20:08] <hamitron> NET||abuse: so what command you use?
[20:12] <hamitron> brb, phone
[20:12] <NET||abuse> hamitron, sorry?
[20:13] <NET||abuse> the command,    svn co http://svn.ashebrowne.com/svn/unifiedmedia/trunk/frontend
[20:13] <NET||abuse> i tried also adding [my username]@ after the http://
[20:22] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Balancing Freedom and Functionality: A Design Challenge - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/03/28/balancing-freedom-and-functionality-a-design-challenge/
[20:22] <hamitron> bk
[20:26] <popey> oo AlanBell
[20:27] <popey> AlanBell: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00zsdsb
[20:28] <HazRPG> hmm, virtualbox hates me
[20:28] <HazRPG> I'm back from dinner + coffee :)
[20:28] <hamitron> :)
[20:28] <jacobw> wb :p
[20:28] <daubers> evening
[20:29] <HazRPG> hamitron: \o/
[20:29] <HazRPG> jacobw, daubers: \o/
[20:29] <HazRPG> evening all
[20:29] <HazRPG> anyone know if its just me, or if the virtualbox repo is going spare?
[20:30] <HazRPG> seems to fail every time for the last week now
[20:30] <HazRPG> giving me a nasty red ! mark on my panel to show "updates couldn't happen, try doing manually because a repo is being silly"
[20:31] <HazRPG> makes me sad to see that ! mark :(
[20:31] <HazRPG> also, how is everyone :)
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> (!)
[20:31] <hamitron> !!!
[20:31] <HazRPG> ooo, still haven't done the router ma bob of ipv6 goodness!
[20:31] <HazRPG> nows a good a time as any \o/
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: DO IT NOW! :P
[20:32] <hamitron> hmmm?
[20:32]  * HazRPG opens up his new favourite tool called terminal :)
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> Ooh.. free online concert in 27 minutes
[20:33] <HazRPG> youtube?
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: ustream
[20:33] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: also, links or it didn't happen!
[20:33] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: ooo I use that site for streaming every now and then (on windows, haven't tried in linux yet)
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: The woman with the crazy dresses - ustream.tv/channel/nerinapallot
[20:35] <HazRPG> I'm in!
[20:35] <HazRPG> don't know who she is... but woo! \o/
[20:39]  * popey tickles Oli``` 
[20:39] <hamitron> I got a feeling I will struggle for bandwidth
[20:39] <hamitron> so not gonna bother
[20:39] <hamitron> ;)
[20:40] <jacobw> I heard a really interesting satire on BBC R4 between 11.30am and 12.00pm
[20:41] <jacobw> Technology related, a future land where fame, not money, is the currency
[20:41] <hamitron> karma?
[20:41] <hamitron> ;/
[20:41] <ali1234> that makes nooooooooo seeeeeense
[20:41] <jacobw> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00yyc83
[20:44] <jpds> Isn't that what Launchpad karma does?
[20:44] <ali1234> no, you can't spend karma
[20:44] <hamitron> that is what I was suggesting
[20:44] <jpds> ali1234: Yet.
[20:45] <ali1234> you can spend reputation on stack exchange though
[20:45] <ali1234> to promote your own questions
[20:45] <HazRPG> jacobw: not avail. for listening anymore :(
[20:46] <ali1234> also lp karma decays too quickly to use as a currency
[20:46] <hamitron> tell that to be people of zimbabwee
[20:46] <hamitron> ;)
[20:47] <jacobw> Hehe
[20:47] <ali1234> it's not exactly the same as inflation
[20:47] <ali1234> more like the actual money has an expirey date
[20:47] <hamitron> it is like a tax from the central hub, decaying your assets
[20:47] <jacobw> Bitcoin is very interesting
[20:49]  * jacobw wasn't aware of LP karma
[20:50] <ali1234> i have 0.05 bitcoins
[20:50] <ali1234> worth about 3p
[20:57] <nperry> Hummm
[20:58] <nperry> Stupid windows cloud advert
[21:16] <ujjain> AlanBell: I now have working VOIP telephony. I figured you´d find that interesting. :p
[21:18] <ujjain> What is a good scary movie with spirits?
[21:18] <AlanBell> Cocktail?
[21:19] <AlanBell> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094889/
[21:21] <ujjain> that´s a romance?
[21:22] <AlanBell> what a waste of a good pun
[21:22] <AlanBell> never mind ujjain, yes, cocktail is not about ghosts
[21:23] <ujjain> hehe sorry man! I will try to good-pun next time :p
[21:24] <DJones> AlanBell: That was very quick and very good, and I would describe Tom Cruise as scary
[21:24] <popey> anyone on natty fancy confirming (or not) bug 744497
[21:24] <czajkowski> what is it ?
[21:24] <mgdm> Whisky Galore has plenty of spirits, though it's not that scary
[21:24] <ali1234> private again?
[21:24] <czajkowski> nope doesnt exist..
[21:25] <DJones> Maybe its a bug that popey hasn't filed enough bugs
[21:27] <popey> bah, no its private
[21:27] <popey> czajkowski: private bugs show as non-extsitent
[21:27]  * AlanBell thinks the private==doesn't exist thing is silly when the numbers are sequential anyhow
[21:27] <popey> :(
[21:27] <popey> indeed
[21:27] <popey> also one of the bots still knows
[21:27] <popey> if you know which one to ask
[21:29] <MartijnVdS> popey: you're a bot?!
[21:29] <mgdm> It would explain a great many things ;)
[21:29] <popey> 21:29:24 <ubot4`> Bug 744497 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/744497 is private
[21:29] <popey> see
[21:29] <hamitron> loads of information from it, nothing useful? :)
[21:30] <popey> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/67533473/Screenshot-2.png
[21:30] <popey> can you see that?
[21:30] <MartijnVdS> yes
[21:30] <MartijnVdS> a red vlc?
[21:30] <popey> oops
[21:30] <popey> i had the wrong number :)
[21:31] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-utils/+bug/744479
[21:31] <popey> i am failing tonight
[21:31] <popey> anyway, confirm that please :)
[21:31] <MartijnVdS> popey: time to replace the  batteries :)
[21:31] <gord> heh really?
[21:32] <MartijnVdS> popey: I don't get a "Select area" option
[21:32] <popey> wut
[21:32] <popey> how are you starting the screenshot tool?
[21:33] <AlanBell> Hey bartender, know how to make a red eye?
[21:33] <gord> its a feature! makes your images more pink
[21:33] <AlanBell> or an orangeeye for popey
[21:33] <MartijnVdS> popey: printscreen button.. same effect as "gnome-screenshot" on the command line
[21:33] <popey> no
[21:33] <popey> it isnt
[21:33] <popey> you need to start from the menu
[21:34] <MartijnVdS> ah.. -i
[21:34] <popey> $ gnome-screenshot --interactive
[21:34] <popey> or that
[21:34] <popey> AlanBell: comedy glands working overtime this evening
[21:34]  * daubers considers getting a spotify account again 
[21:34] <popey> AlanBell: did you see the chicken thing I posted earlier?
[21:34] <popey> I heard an advert for it earlier
[21:34] <MartijnVdS> popey: yes, those are orange :)
[21:34] <gord> popey, is that inside compiz? if so, make sure to test in metacity/favouritenoncompositingmanager
[21:35] <gord> i'v seen compiz and gnome-screenshot have the oddest falling outs this cycle
[21:35] <MartijnVdS> compiz has been VERY broken
[21:35] <MartijnVdS> still is
[21:35] <popey> yup
[21:35] <popey> compiz only
[21:35] <popey> just tested in metacity, you dont get a filled in box, just a box
[21:35] <MartijnVdS> at work we use bitkeeper.. when I use the graphical commit tool, compiz crashes
[21:35] <AlanBell> popey: is it the same problem as PCpro found at 2:56 http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2011/02/10/live-blog-running-pc-pro-on-ubuntu/
[21:36] <popey> no
[21:36] <gord> okay then, also affects compiz and one of the compiz bug fixers will take a look :)
[21:36] <popey> thats a known bug
[21:37] <AlanBell> I did see the chicken thing, thanks for that
[21:37] <popey> also affects project?
[21:37] <gord> yup
[21:37] <popey> how do i choose compiz?
[21:37] <AlanBell> will be at a customer meeting I think with theopensourcerer
[21:37] <popey> this interface sucks
[21:37] <gord> you'll get a little search thing no?
[21:37] <popey> no
[21:37] <popey> asks for url or email of bug contact
[21:37] <ujjain> no tv and no beer make homer go crazy - what is this a parody of?
[21:38] <AlanBell> ujjain: "all work and no play makes jack a dull boy"
[21:38] <gord> eh, why is launchpad doing that...
[21:38] <gord> geez
[21:38] <ujjain> AlanBell: ah tnx! :)
[21:38] <popey> "also affects distribution"
[21:38] <popey> is the way
[21:39] <popey> I blame gmb
[21:39] <gord> popey, actually also affects project -> under where it says Project you can select "choose another project"
[21:39] <popey> ah
[21:39] <gord> then you get the search interface, because it was set to gnome and lp  thought it was all upstream i guess
[21:40] <popey> oops
[21:40] <popey> is it okay now?
[21:41] <gord> seems good to me
[21:42] <popey> oh crud, I did metacity --replace, now the panels and everything is gone I can't restart compiz :)
[21:42] <gord> alt-f... oh wait
[21:43] <popey> whohoo
[21:43] <popey> ctrl+alt+n
[21:43] <gord> during development we all have a shortcut on our desktop that runs unity because when you crash it, you end up in that situation all the time ;)
[21:43] <popey> oh golly, compiz is so much slower than metacity
[21:43] <popey> now I remember why i never ran compiz before natty
[21:44] <MartijnVdS> too bad metacity is so flickery
[21:45] <AlanBell> I find compiz to be much faster than metacity
[21:46] <ali1234> it's slower for me
[21:46] <ali1234> but the effects make it feel faster
[21:46] <gord> you can have mixed results, right now compiz is slow with two things really, alt-tab and focusing
[21:46] <ali1234> it makes firefox really slow though
[21:46] <ali1234> but that's because of nvidia driver
[21:47] <popey> :(
[21:47] <MartijnVdS> \o/ nvidia :(
[21:48] <daubers> ARGGHHHHH
[21:48] <daubers> How the hell do I close something that's hiding itself on the sound menu when I hit the cross?
[21:48] <ali1234> i have a theory that they don't open their driver because then people would see all the cheesy hacks to make certain games run 5% faster
[21:48] <popey> File -> Quit
[21:48] <daubers> popey: Doesn't exist in this app :)
[21:48] <popey> killall
[21:49] <popey> lol
[21:49] <daubers> Was hoping not to resort to killall :(
[21:49] <ali1234> heh, menus are old fashioned
[21:49] <ali1234> you're not supposed to quit anything ever
[21:49] <ali1234> just leave it all running
[21:49] <gord> i was having that problem daubers, banshee?
[21:49] <daubers> But I need to quit it so I can open the account on another box!
[21:49] <ali1234> cos you only run gwibber and chrome right?
[21:49] <gord> didn't figure it out, just left it running
[21:49] <daubers> gord: Spotify linux client
[21:49] <popey> it does have a quit
[21:50] <popey> File -> Exit
[21:50] <ali1234> the spotify tray menu has a "exit" when you right click it
[21:50] <ali1234> the windows one does anyway
[21:50] <daubers> Hmm.. That menu doesn't go up to the bar when you full screen it though
[21:50] <daubers> *confused*
[21:50] <ali1234> you do still have a tray applet right?
[21:50] <popey> good isnt it
[21:50] <popey> QT
[21:50] <popey> nope ali1234
[21:50] <daubers> popey: I do like the fact I get the buttons on the left AND the right with it too
[21:51] <daubers> Do I go over -> or over <-! Choice!!!
[21:51] <AlanBell> no room for the windicators when that happens
[21:51] <gord> are the buttons in chromium on the right still?
[21:52] <gord> i guess not if you enable system decoration
[21:52] <hamitron> daubers: not good enough, I want some in teh centre too ;)
[21:52] <ali1234> hamitron: install kde, you can have that
[21:52] <hamitron> :))
[21:52] <ali1234> they have a drag and drop UI that lets you move any button anywhere on the window title
[21:53] <hamitron> never liked kde :/
[21:53] <ali1234> kde is pretty horrible
[21:53] <ali1234> you can do that thing with the buttons, but you can't have a panel that matches the window decorations
[21:53] <ali1234> so much for configuration
[21:53] <daubers> http://www.daubers.co.uk/~matt/choice.jpg
[21:53] <daubers> popey: Also confirs your bug :)
[21:54] <popey> :)
[21:54] <ali1234> wow, it looks exactly like the windows version
[21:54] <popey> i dont see that decoration
[21:55] <daubers> Really? How odd
[21:55] <hamitron> acoustica isn't new
[21:55] <daubers> my unity is acting odd this evening though. Can't decide which windows on top properly so teh global menu keeps giving me just terminators one
[21:55] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/spotify.png
[21:55] <gord> heh spotify on linux really goes for that osx look
[21:55] <popey> odd orangeness
[21:55] <mgdm> gord: it does on everything
[21:55] <gord> reminds me of quicktime back in the day
[21:55] <daubers> Hmmm
[21:56] <ali1234> hmm you know what that looks like... when you drag a box...
[21:56] <daubers> Might just reload gnome and let it restart unity stuffs
[21:56] <ali1234> with the orange border
[21:56] <ali1234> is it taking the screenshot before clearing the "selection" box?
[21:56] <popey> looks that way
[21:57] <popey> BECAUSE THE WINDOW MANAGER IS TOO SLOW!
[21:57] <popey> probably
[21:57] <daubers> popey: Interestingly restarting gnome made that decorator go away
[21:57] <popey> "interestingly" you say :)
[21:57] <daubers> heh
[21:57] <ali1234> it's a race condition then, not a WM problem per se
[21:57] <popey> fair
[21:57] <ali1234> gord: the windows version looks exactly the same, at least it does in wine?
[21:58] <gord> ali1234, i'm sure it does, i'v never seen it, i wasn't suggesting that it looks different than anywhere else
[21:58] <daubers> Urgh, getting lots of "Looks like there was a problem" boxes now
[21:58] <daubers> and the STUPID KEYBOARD THING STILL PUTS ME INTO AMERICAN GAH
[21:58] <popey> dpkg-source: info: applying 06_fix_ftbfs.patch
[21:58] <popey> ho ho ho
[21:58] <gord> what the hell is that?
[21:58] <gord> i get it on maverick too
[21:59] <daubers> gord: Murder worthy, thats what it is
[21:59] <MartijnVdS> daubers: I get the keyboard thing as well
[21:59] <gord> anyone who can fix that for me gets a free cake
[21:59] <daubers> double cake from me
[21:59] <daubers> with a bottle of whiskey on top
[21:59] <daubers> I have noticed it tries to change it on an app by app basis
[21:59] <popey> -        MAINTAINER_CFLAGS="-Werror -Wall -Wshadow -Wcast-align -Wno-uninitialized -Wformat-security -Winit-self"
[22:00] <popey> +        MAINTAINER_CFLAGS="-Wall -Wshadow -Wcast-align -Wno-uninitialized -Wformat-security -Winit-self"
[22:00] <popey> *chortle*
[22:00] <gord> don't get it on my desktop, but do on the netbook/laptop
[22:00] <gord> popey, what project is that in?
[22:00] <popey> gnome-utils
[22:00] <popey> also
[22:00] <popey>  /* THERE ARE NO FEATURE REQUESTS ALLOWED */
[22:01] <popey>  /* IF YOU WANT YOUR OWN FEATURE -- WRITE THE DAMN THING YOURSELF (-: */
[22:01] <popey>  /* MAYBE I LIED... -jrb */
[22:01] <gord> i wonder if they use vala - you have to not use -Werror with vala because vala likes to use errors a lot
[22:01] <gord> it thinks errors are a feature
[22:03] <daubers> gord: Can you pastebin the file ~/.dmrc from your laptop/desktop?
[22:05] <daubers> I smell an experiment
[22:05]  * daubers bodges a config file
[22:06] <gord> daubers, difference is that  the netbook has Layout=us instead of Layout=gb and the desktop has two extra lines
[22:06] <gord> Langlist=en_GB:en
[22:06] <gord> LCMess=en_GB.utf8
[22:07] <gord> changed my netbook to be the same as my desktop, maybe it'll fix things
[22:07] <daubers> gord: if I take the layou line out of mine the stupid thing works properly \o/
[22:07] <daubers> Just tested it with a new user as well, the new user doesn't get the layout= line
[22:07] <gord> daubers, we must tell *everybody*
[22:08] <daubers> question is.... why the hell doesn't the settings thing replace that line properly?
[22:08] <daubers> Is there a bug on this somewhere?
[22:09] <gord> daubers, sounds like a package got upgraded and something changed, leaving the layout line in/broken at some point
[22:09] <daubers> gord: gnome docs for gdm suggest that file should exist. Not very clear on that line though
[22:11] <czajkowski> AlanBell: what date is the farnham beers
[22:11] <daubers> gord: Loosk like it's been fixed...
[22:12] <daubers> bug 546785
[22:13] <AlanBell> czajkowski: friday 15th April
[22:13] <czajkowski> AlanBell: good thanks
[22:14] <daubers> Hmm.. actually... looks like we're into another "It should do this, no this, no this" argument in that bug thread
[22:15]  * AlanBell wonders if more people can get themselves to http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/687/detail/
[22:16] <popey> daubers: which bug?
[22:17] <popey> oh that
[22:17] <daubers> AlanBell: Hmmm... not sure I'd get permission from the wifey this weekend
[22:18] <AlanBell> better to ask for forgiveness rather than permission *
[22:18] <AlanBell> * with exceptions
[22:18] <daubers> AlanBell: The sofa's not that comfy
[22:18] <willy_1977> AlanBell: I'm in daubers camp, almost certainly wouldn't get away with approaching it either way ;)
[22:19] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: heh, try {} it!
[22:19] <popey> i think i may have found the problem with the coloured tinge in gnome-screenshot
[22:19] <popey> anyone fancy helping me?
[22:20] <daubers> popey: Go on...
[22:20] <popey> i think i have found a patch actually
[22:20] <popey> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/commits-list/2011-March/msg03805.html
[22:21] <czajkowski> AlanBell: hmm not many just you and me it seems ;(
[22:21]  * AlanBell is scared
[22:22] <daubers> gord: Reading the gnome bugzilla, it's not going to be fixed as GDM doens't allow changing the keyboard layout anymore
[22:22] <daubers> (for gnome 3)
[22:22] <AlanBell> maybe we should change things a bit and make it a virtual jam
[22:22] <daubers> Does gnome3 have a different GDM?
[22:23] <AlanBell> on IRC and mumble
[22:23] <popey> er
[22:23] <gord> gnome 3's motto should be "its not our problem"
[22:23] <willy_1977> AlanBell: One of the things I'm wondering if I could do some sessions like that midlands based
[22:23] <czajkowski> AlanBell: aye that might be better
[22:23] <popey> I have another bug i need confirming :(
[22:23] <willy_1977> gord: gnome-ptfe-3.0
[22:23] <AlanBell> willy_1977: short answer, is yes, you can
[22:23] <czajkowski> popey: what are you doing over there!
[22:23] <popey> can someone open firefox 4
[22:23] <czajkowski> not installed
[22:24] <popey> and open a big page like http://mail.gnome.org/archives/commits-list/2011-March/msg03805.html
[22:24] <daubers> popey: yup
[22:24] <willy_1977> AlanBell: wouldn't mind chewing that fat on that one at some point.
[22:24] <popey> try and put the mouse near the top of his mail and drag down
[22:24] <popey> does the page scroll?
[22:24] <popey> (when you hit the bottom)
[22:24] <marxjohnson> popey: no
[22:24] <popey> do it from the bottom upwards
[22:24] <popey> (missus)
[22:24] <willy_1977> AlanBell: now if you do go virtual I may be able to get an hour or two on the 2nd to help out...
[22:24] <AlanBell> willy_1977: http://ubuntu-uk.org/where-are-we/
[22:25] <marxjohnson> popey: yes!
[22:25] <marxjohnson> how odd
[22:25]  * popey looks for a bug
[22:25] <AlanBell> yay, marxjohnson o/
[22:25] <marxjohnson> it works if its not in fullscreen
[22:25] <marxjohnson> howdy alanbell
[22:25] <daubers> popey: I don't get that issue...
[22:25] <popey> daubers: fullscreen?
[22:26] <willy_1977> AlanBell: spotted that earlier today and got myself on it ;)
[22:26] <daubers> Ah, if I go all the way to the top and then down again I do
[22:26] <AlanBell> great, good tool for finding people in your area
[22:26] <daubers> popey: only in full screen
[22:26] <AlanBell> the google maps *might* make a return to Launchpad at some point
[22:26] <willy_1977> yeah, great idea - duly noted bigcalm is just up the road in newport.
[22:27] <bigcalm> ?
[22:27] <willy_1977> ooO unless I've read that wrong... hang on...
[22:27]  * bigcalm looks in due to nick highlight
[22:28] <bigcalm> Newport, Shropshire :)\
[22:28] <bigcalm> Not Gwent
[22:28]  * popey tickles bigcalm 
[22:28] <popey> marxjohnson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/744580
[22:28]  * bigcalm disolves into a bubbly mess
[22:28] <popey> fancy confirming pls?
[22:28] <willy_1977> bigcalm - Hednesford, Staffs
[22:28] <willy_1977> so I reckon 40mins from you
[22:28] <AlanBell> bigcalm: well don't do that in the bath again
[22:29] <marxjohnson> popey: do i just say "me too" or do I have to do something fancy?
[22:29] <popey> fancy pants!
[22:29] <popey> marxjohnson: change the status from new to confimed
[22:29] <popey> and leave a comment
[22:29] <bigcalm> willy_1977: Aha. I'm new to the county (1.5 years), so don't know all much in the area
[22:30] <bigcalm> willy_1977: you're right, 40 mins away
[22:31] <willy_1977> bigcalm: I like Newport, Shrops. nice place.
[22:31] <bigcalm> I keep forgetting how close I live to Staffordshire
[22:31] <marxjohnson> popey: done
[22:31] <popey> thank you!
[22:31] <willy_1977> definitely, you're closer to our cunty town than me I reckon.
[22:31] <willy_1977> lol
[22:32] <daubers> !language
[22:32] <willy_1977> county*
[22:32] <bigcalm> !ohmy
[22:32] <bigcalm> I'm sure you meant county town :)
[22:32] <popey> *snort*
[22:32] <AlanBell> and the typo of the week award goes to  . . . willy_1977 \o/
[22:32] <willy_1977> woot!
[22:32] <bigcalm> Heh
[22:33] <bigcalm> Ah, I didn't see the county until typing it myself
[22:33]  * bigcalm slithers back to some 2001 PHP :(
[22:34] <popey> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/commits-list/2011-March/msg03805.html
[22:34] <popey> how do i turn that into a patch I can apply?
[22:35] <brobostigon> good night everyone, sleep well.
[22:35] <popey> nn
[22:35] <bigcalm> Night brobostigon
[22:35] <willy_1977> brobostigon: g'night.
[22:35] <marxjohnson> popey: copy and paste into gedit?
[22:35] <brobostigon> good night bigcalm and willy_1977
[22:35] <marxjohnson> night brobostigon
[22:35] <popey> then what? :)
[22:35] <ali1234> popey: save the html, git apply whatever.html
[22:35] <popey> oh
[22:36] <bigcalm> marxjohnson: popey means into a format sutable for patch
[22:36] <popey> i do
[22:36] <brobostigon> night marxjohnson
[22:36] <popey> so i can "patch -p0 < foo.patch"
[22:36] <ali1234> probably
[22:36] <marxjohnson> ah sorry
[22:36] <ali1234> it's supposed to be applied with git though
[22:36] <popey> I want to convert it
[22:37] <ali1234> why?
[22:37] <bigcalm> Why not? :)
[22:37] <bigcalm> Does everything have to have a reason in life?
[22:37] <ali1234> well, because git is the best way to manage such things
[22:37] <popey> because I'm not using git
[22:37] <marxjohnson> if you just copy all the preformatted text, then save it as a plain text file, you can apply it with patch or anything that takes unified diff
[22:38] <popey> I am taking the source thats currently in the repo
[22:38] <bigcalm> And if you're not using git, then what? :)
[22:38] <popey> and patching against it to see if it works
[22:38] <ali1234> bigcalm: then you should be
[22:38] <marxjohnson> I always use patch even though I use git, then just commit with git ;-)
[22:38] <bigcalm> ali1234: NEVER!
[22:38] <ali1234> oh, so you want to apply it with quilt or something?
[22:38] <popey> 22:36:18 < popey> so i can "patch -p0 < foo.patch"
[22:39] <ali1234> marxjohnson: that doesn't preserve author and commit log
[22:39] <daubers> popey: I'm not sure the one in the repo's can take the patch :)
[22:39] <ali1234> popey: (22:30:05) ali1234: probably
[22:39] <popey> *sigh*
[22:39] <marxjohnson> ali1234: good call, I only ever apply patches I make myself  though
[22:39] <popey> forget it
[22:39] <marxjohnson> popey: -p1 with that patch
[22:39]  * bigcalm hugs popey
[22:40] <daubers> From git apply I get : http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/586628/
[22:41] <willy_1977> is that saying it's moved on since the patch was created?
[22:41] <willy_1977> not patch unified diff I mean.
[22:41] <Azelphur> I wonder if there are any decent netbook tablets with nvidia ion in them
[22:42] <Azelphur> and if they'd be capable of minecraft xD
[22:42] <popey> what is a netbook tablet?
[22:42] <gord> minecraft won't run on ion
[22:42] <gord> oh wait sorry yes it will
[22:42] <Azelphur> popey: a netbook that can be converted into a tablet, like the inspiron duo
[22:42] <gord> thinking tegra
[22:42] <popey> asus have one dont they?
[22:42] <popey> or acer
[22:42] <gord> minecraft is mostly cpu limited though
[22:43] <Azelphur> gord: I see
[22:44] <marxjohnson> http://tinyurl.com/6l6pgrn nom :-)
[22:44] <Azelphur> popey: not sure I see anything with ion
[22:44] <Azelphur> at least googles not being favourable :(
[22:46] <marxjohnson> right, beddy byes for me, train to catch in the morn
[22:47]  * AlanBell changes the global jam
[22:48] <AlanBell> it will now be marmalade
[22:48] <marxjohnson> nn all
[22:48] <daubers> night marxjohnson
[22:48] <ali1234> !java
[22:48] <daubers> ali1234: Never been a fan of marmalade
[22:48] <AlanBell> so on Saturday, during the day we will have an online IRC hack day of some sort, plus audio via mumble
[22:49] <AlanBell> we might go so far as to have an agenda of some kind
[22:49] <ali1234> ok i give up how do i install java on natty?
[22:49] <AlanBell> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/globaljam2011
[22:49] <AlanBell> ali1234: sun java isn't in the partner repo yet
[22:49] <AlanBell> might never get there
[22:49] <ali1234> fail
[22:50] <hamitron> AlanBell: never?
[22:50] <daubers> urgh, bugzilla sucks
[22:50]  * popey has openjdk java
[22:50] <Hazmaster> heh, not use to irssi :/
[22:50] <gord> just install openjdk?
[22:50] <hamitron> popey: minecraft works on it?
[22:50] <gord> if you try and run java on a cli, it'll give you a bunch of options
[22:51] <Hazmaster> heh, and now my normal IRC client has just logged in finally :P (typical)
[22:51] <ali1234> it give all the *-headless options
[22:51] <popey> hamitron: yes
[22:51] <hamitron> sorted then
[22:51] <hamitron> :)
[22:53]  * daubers goes to bed
[22:53] <ali1234> i would guess openjdk-6-jre-headless is probably only good for running java CLI apps?
[22:53] <HazRPG> daubers: nite dude
[23:00] <webpigeon> ali1234, or apps which were designed during the French revolution, i'm guessing
[23:01] <willy_1977> popey: this gnome-utils diff (dog with a bone I know) according to the documentation all he's added is a timeout... I can carry on looking at this if it's of use?
[23:01] <popey> I marked a link to the patch on the bug report
[23:01] <popey> feel free :)
[23:01] <popey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-utils/+bug/743176
[23:03] <Hazmaster> hmm, this is really driving me bananas lol
[23:03] <Hazmaster> I'm having a little trouble with ipv6 :(
[23:04] <willy_1977> popey: if I just assign the gnome-utils(ubuntu) to me that's enough isn't it?
[23:04] <popey> well, only if you plan on fixing it :)
[23:05] <willy_1977> I'll give it a go, no harm in trying - can always fire questions out if I get stuck I guess.
[23:05] <Hazmaster> I've managed to get ipv6 to tunnel in through to my server, and it can ping6 ipv6.google.com (great!) - however the issue i'm having is using radvd
[23:06] <Hazmaster> after a bit of fiddling I got it to start, but I can't seem to get any other client on my server to be able to get an IPv6 :(
[23:06] <Hazmaster> anyone have any experience with this?
[23:11] <willy_1977> well I'm off to bed - will catch up tomorrow; for those that do enjoy the sleep :)
[23:17] <ali1234> ~info gnome-utils natty
[23:19] <ali1234> hmm whatever
[23:20] <ali1234> willy_1977: so yeah, the patch is by the gnome-screenshot maintainer... therefore it's going to turn up in ubuntu eventually no matter what (well, unless you make a better patch and send it to gnome)
[23:41] <bigcalm> How do you use a non default ssh port with rsync?
[23:42] <popey> http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=rsync+over+ssh+port+specified&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gl=uk
[23:44] <bigcalm> How do you use a non default ssh port with rsync?
[23:44] <bigcalm> Oops
[23:44] <bigcalm> http://www.commandlinefu.com/commands/view/2363/rsync-over-ssh-via-non-default-ssh-port
[23:44] <bigcalm> Google answered my own question :)
[23:46] <bigcalm> And with that behind a screen, I'm off to bed!
[23:46] <bigcalm> Tatty hoo
[23:46] <popey> nn cuddles
[23:46] <bigcalm> Hehe
[23:46] <bigcalm> Awww, you're a sweetie
[23:47] <directhex> i'm tired. packaging complex things is tiring.
[23:47] <bigcalm> Remind me to book that Friday and Monday off :)
[23:47] <popey> ok!
[23:47] <bigcalm> \o/
[23:48] <popey> bah
[23:49] <popey> yay