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| Alonea | having a slight issue with Kate. How do I force it to not turn on syntax highlighting? the syntax highlighting for LISP would be fine if it highlighted the matching parentheses, but its not. How do I get it to stop switching the syntax highlighting or how do I get it to show matching parentheses like it does on "normal" mode? | 00:49 |
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| James147 | Alonea: tools > highlighting .. | 00:50 |
| Alonea | James147: I did, but it changed it back when I saved | 00:51 |
| Alonea | James147: though it seems odd it doesn't show matching when on LISP mode seeing how its all parentheses. | 00:52 |
| roxy | I cant get my mic to work... what are some things i could install to get it to work? | 01:01 |
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| Mase_wk | roxy: most likely you don't need to install anything to get it to work. It's usually a configuration issue, or in somecases the driver for the soundcard isn't fully implemented | 01:05 |
| quant | roxy: start by checking the mixer settings | 01:06 |
| Alonea | roxy: for me, getting rid of pulseaudio fixed my mic, but make sure its pulseaudio is the culprit, though its easy to reinstall if its not. | 01:07 |
| James147 | roxy: ^^ firstly though, make sure the capture devices arnt muted in lasamixer | 01:08 |
| James147 | alsamixer ^^ (run it in a terminal) | 01:08 |
| roxy | kk checking things and doing things let ya know in a bit :) | 01:09 |
| roxy | James147: ok in alsamixer there is no bar thing for the mic :-s | 01:11 |
| James147 | roxy: but is it muted? (also make sure your looking at the capture devices) | 01:12 |
| James147 | ^^ f4 to switch to capture | 01:12 |
| James147 | and f6 to change sound card if you have more then one | 01:12 |
| roxy | James147: I gots it and the mic option there was on 0 there | 01:13 |
| Alonea | roxy: out of curiosity, is it a built in mic on a eee netbook or a regular plugin mic? if its USB, it can be finicky. | 01:14 |
| roxy | built in and my computer is a netbook | 01:14 |
| Alonea | roxy: 0 means its on, MM means mute | 01:14 |
| roxy | what does it mean in playback option that it has no bar on it? | 01:15 |
| roxy | last time i got it to work was something i installed cant member(done it in terminal) but it brought up pluseaudio preferences and went to input devices and turned it on and the mic worked... | 01:18 |
| James147 | pavucontrol ? | 01:20 |
| naomi_ | >_> | 01:28 |
| roxy | James147: thankies that is it :) | 01:31 |
| naomi_ | Uhh. | 01:39 |
| genii-around | naomi_: Do you have some Kubuntu related support question? | 01:40 |
| naomi_ | I have no idea what on earth i'm doing with half of this stuff. | 01:40 |
| Mase_wk | naomi_: perhaps if you were able to phrase your goal in the form of a question, someone in the channel may be able to help you understand whatever your trying to do | 01:42 |
| James147 | naomi_: any spicific question you want us to help wih? | 01:42 |
| naomi_ | I'm new to the whole linx thing. I'm not sure how to do anything, regarding like downloading stuff. Or having to do commands and stuff in the terminal window. | 01:43 |
| naomi_ | linux.^ | 01:43 |
| James147 | naomi_: you dont really need to worry about doing anything in a terminal ^^ though it is useful to learn and a very powerful tool | 01:44 |
| kujules | i am new too, i like kpackagekit :D | 01:45 |
| James147 | naomi_: as for downloading things, what thigs? | 01:45 |
| James147 | kujules: yup, package managment software is one of the great features of linux :D | 01:45 |
| andyflag | Hello guys. | 01:45 |
| kujules | no need of use commands, easiest way | 01:46 |
| James147 | kujules: ?? | 01:46 |
| kujules | i am talking of kpackagekit | 01:46 |
| James147 | kujules: yeah, most command line utils have nice gui alternitives :) | 01:47 |
| * James147 still finds it more effecient to use the terminal though... at elast most of the time :D | 01:47 | |
| kujules | yes it is. I am sorry but, i press the S-Abf + R < my pc does not react | 01:48 |
| genii-around | Abf? | 01:49 |
| James147 | S-Abf? | 01:49 |
| kujules | the terminal is for professional users | 01:49 |
| naomi__ | Yeah but for downloading things? | 01:49 |
| naomi__ | I had to download Konversation in the terminal window. >.> | 01:49 |
| kujules | S-Abf -> magic Sysrg key | 01:49 |
| naomi__ | Or install, whatever. | 01:49 |
| James147 | kujules: would say intermediate or greater, not neccessorly professional | 01:49 |
| kujules | naomi, i started to use kubuntu for nearly 2 weeks, and i give up to unterstand how to install things , because i have kpackagekit | 01:50 |
| James147 | naomi__: most programs can easaly be downloaded and install via a packagemanagment software, there is kpackagekit for the gui, or apt-get for the command line | 01:50 |
| James147 | kujules: ^^ that is how you install things :) | 01:51 |
| kujules | not really | 01:51 |
| kujules | for example i tried to install firefox | 01:51 |
| kujules | i search 2 days, no result! | 01:51 |
| kujules | i came here, read what ubotto gave | 01:51 |
| kujules | and i type that in terminal! wow, i have firefox :D | 01:52 |
| naomi__ | what is kpackagekit? | 01:52 |
| James147 | naomi__: kpackagekit is a software managment application ^^ it manages software :) basically it can download install update and remove packages (and packages can contain applications) | 01:52 |
| naomi__ | is that like ummm synaptic package manager or something? | 01:53 |
| naomi__ | i have that. | 01:53 |
| James147 | naomi__: yes, though synaptic is what the gnome desktop envrioment uses... | 01:54 |
| James147 | naomi__: so i have to ask, are you using kubuntu or ubuntu ? :) | 01:54 |
| naomi__ | thats what i have. >.> | 01:54 |
| naomi__ | i have no idea lol. | 01:54 |
| naomi__ | i searched "irc clients for linux" and it gave me this. | 01:54 |
| naomi__ | ubuntu i think? | 01:54 |
| naomi__ | ermm. 10.04? | 01:55 |
| James147 | naomi__: both kubuntu and ubuntu share the same versioning ^^ :) | 01:55 |
| naomi__ | so how does this synaptic thing work? | 01:55 |
| naomi__ | how does answering noob's questions all day not get frustrating. :P | 01:55 |
| James147 | naomi__: you might want to ask that in #ubuntu they will better deal with gnome related questions | 01:56 |
| naomi__ | okie thanks. | 01:56 |
| S74rk7 | hey everyone, just a quick question..is there a keyboard shortcut for locking + unlocking widgets? or where shoult I be looking to set/change this? under global, standard or custom keyboard shortcuts? | 02:00 |
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| === dave is now known as bobthebuilder | ||
| bobthebuilder | hi all, newbie here. I was wondering can I get skype for kubuntu? I have looked in the repositories but there are just add-ons? | 03:23 |
| James147 | bobthebuilder: http://www.skype.com/intl/en-gb/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/ | 03:24 |
| James147 | ^^ not that it ever updates | 03:24 |
| bobthebuilder | it never updates? | 03:25 |
| James147 | they have prity much abandoned sykepe for linux without actually say as much ^^ its been taged beta 2 for years now :p | 03:26 |
| bobthebuilder | lol..really? Oh my, so long as it works I guess? | 03:26 |
| James147 | it works ^^ | 03:27 |
| James147 | jut far behind in features :( | 03:27 |
| bobthebuilder | yer, its a shame but still, if it can used on voip and sharing files then I'm happy at that :) | 03:29 |
| bobthebuilder | well, thank you James147 I will go and see if all is well now it's installed....thanx again. | 03:30 |
| _sophia | hai | 03:37 |
| _sophia | i'm looking at files from my Windows partition | 03:37 |
| _sophia | what i want to do is put them on the desktop | 03:37 |
| _sophia | not on the little specialised desktop, on the general one | 03:37 |
| _sophia | how do i do so? | 03:37 |
| _sophia | nvm ^_^ | 03:38 |
| _sophia | okay, totally have a questio | 03:49 |
| _sophia | i want to make one of those self-contained desktops to put pdfs and a few other things in? how to do so such that it is in the actual folder on the desktop, not merely on the desktop on the first layer | 03:50 |
| James147 | _sophia: you talking about the folder view? | 03:56 |
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| _sophia | now how do i place things i have on the desktop, into the folder view? ;d | 04:24 |
| James147 | _sophia: you cant... since the things on the desktop are widgets, and the filder view wants files or folders (you can find the orignal files and place them in the folder however) | 04:25 |
| _sophia | o_O | 04:26 |
| _sophia | i thought the things on the desktop are icons | 04:26 |
| James147 | and icons are widgets :) at least on the desktop and panel | 04:26 |
| James147 | if you drag a file to the desktop plasma creates an icon that points to that file ^^ | 04:26 |
| James147 | _sophia: this might be intresting: http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma | 04:27 |
| _sophia | ty, will look at that in a bit, playing chess right now >.> | 04:29 |
| James147 | ^^ although its abit dated now :p | 04:29 |
| CartoonCat | hellos | 04:43 |
| CartoonCat | so i did a fresh install of kubuntu today. did the update, and now my standard user is a bit messed up | 04:44 |
| Mase_wk | CartoonCat: can you provide us with some more information so that we can help you. | 04:44 |
| CartoonCat | was fine before the update. now, when i try to install from a .deb, give the password, it /looks/ like it says 'your user is not in the sudoers' but it flashes /very/ fast | 04:45 |
| CartoonCat | Mase_wk: working on it, sorry slow typing | 04:45 |
| CartoonCat | at the same time, konsole is not acting right, like all my bash settings are, wrong or gone. (no tab, no colors, etc) | 04:46 |
| Mase_wk | CartoonCat: so if you move to a VT and type sudo bash does it work as expected ? | 04:47 |
| CartoonCat | i will see | 04:47 |
| James147 | s/sudo bash/sudo -i/ | 04:48 |
| James147 | :) | 04:48 |
| CartoonCat | Mase_wk: ah that /does/ say im not in the sudoers | 04:48 |
| Mase_wk | ok, and you were previously ? | 04:48 |
| James147 | CartoonCat: what does "groups" say? | 04:48 |
| CartoonCat | Mase_wk: Yes, or at least i assume so since these things were working before the upgrade | 04:49 |
| CartoonCat | James147: good call, only my own group | 04:49 |
| CartoonCat | i know that isnt right at all | 04:49 |
| James147 | CartoonCat: you need to be in the admin group to have sudo rights | 04:50 |
| Mase_wk | and you're logging in as the same user as you were before ? | 04:50 |
| CartoonCat | Mase_wk: yessir | 04:50 |
| James147 | CartoonCat: reboot to recovery mode and add yourself to the group | 04:50 |
| Mase_wk | and the upgrade finished successfully ? | 04:50 |
| CartoonCat | I /can/ su to root still | 04:50 |
| CartoonCat | Mase_wk: it said so, piped up said /reboot was needed ot finish/ did so, and blamo | 04:50 |
| James147 | ^^ you should never beable to su to root :p | 04:50 |
| Mase_wk | hmm ok interesting. not something i've ever experienced | 04:51 |
| CartoonCat | James147: yea i know, one of kubs slight, failings | 04:51 |
| CartoonCat | a quick setting of root pass and its better | 04:51 |
| James147 | CartoonCat: its not a failing ^^ it to stop attacks agienst week root passwords | 04:51 |
| James147 | with sudo you shouldnt need the root password | 04:51 |
| CartoonCat | James147: I know, thats why I set root pass to a variant of my WPA passwords =) | 04:52 |
| * James147 thinks thats even worst O-o | 04:52 | |
| CartoonCat | really? interesting. id liek to hear why | 04:53 |
| Daskreech | You can brute a WPA with some tricks | 04:53 |
| James147 | wpa keys are sharable ^^ and that | 04:53 |
| Daskreech | it might be a stretch to think that someone would translate that to your machine but it's not that far a stretch | 04:54 |
| CartoonCat | ok, you didnt read it the way i meant it. it /is not/ a wpa key that is used, i use the wpa key algo to genrate a hex (and use the first 30 chars of it) | 04:54 |
| Mase_wk | CartoonCat: anything important should get it's own unique password and a long one at that | 04:54 |
| Mase_wk | size does matter :) | 04:54 |
| James147 | but then i have to ask why root even needs a password when you have sudo ^^ | 04:55 |
| CartoonCat | James147: im old school, root always had a pw and no user had sudo rights | 04:56 |
| James147 | CartoonCat: then remove sudo ^^ no point in having two secutiry holes | 04:56 |
| CartoonCat | James147: do you really think a strong root password is a security hole? | 04:57 |
| James147 | CartoonCat: any password is more of a hole then a disabled account ^^ | 04:58 |
| CartoonCat | James147: ok ill grant that. ill rephrase. do you really think that a 30 char, mixed case/let/num password is burtable whith in a reasonable time frame ? | 04:59 |
| James147 | ^^ and you remember that password with out it being writed down? | 05:00 |
| Mase_wk | ir's basically about layering your system | 05:01 |
| CartoonCat | Nope, but it also is not stored in one palce whole, its in 4 parts in a list of a few dozen other, same length char groups | 05:01 |
| Mase_wk | each layer of security just makes it less likely that anyone motivated enough will be able to get access to your machine in the time frame that is suitable for them | 05:02 |
| James147 | ^^ seems more effort then not having a password | 05:02 |
| Daskreech | James147: ha ha when you change your arguement to being too much effort I think you may be losing ground :) | 05:02 |
| CartoonCat | James147: your likely right. ill look at moving past it. | 05:03 |
| James147 | Daskreech: I mean, you have a password on your root for convience (if you get lock out of sudo?) but if you have to find 4 parts of the password to gain access again, you may as well boot to recovery mode | 05:03 |
| Daskreech | Remove recovery mode!!! | 05:04 |
| Daskreech | In any case won't recovery mode ask for the password now that root has one? | 05:04 |
| James147 | Daskreech: then you can always boot a live cd for such times | 05:04 |
| Mase_wk | you could always have myfavouriteversetoasongthatiknowreallywell | 05:04 |
| CartoonCat | hahah, boot what ? | 05:04 |
| Mase_wk | which would still be very difficult to brute force | 05:04 |
| CartoonCat | no optical, no usb boot options | 05:05 |
| Daskreech | Mase_wk: Written in l33t then converted to chinese :) | 05:05 |
| James147 | CartoonCat: recovery mode ^^ should drop you to a root prompt... not sure if it asks for a password if you set one though | 05:05 |
| Daskreech | How'd you get kubuntu on there? | 05:05 |
| CartoonCat | James147: yea i know rec mode is there, i had not got ot killing it yet | 05:05 |
| Mase_wk | Daskreech: good thing ubuntu has a utf8 term by default :) | 05:06 |
| CartoonCat | Daskreech: bios password, its one of the other groups on the list | 05:06 |
| * Mase_wk wonders what l33t is in chinese :) | 05:06 | |
| CartoonCat | as a point, that part list makes up pretty much all my passwords everywhere, but with any idea how to combine them, your going to be working for a while | 05:06 |
| CartoonCat | wth, missed the 4 | 05:07 |
| James147 | CartoonCat: bios pass is only as secure as the lock on the box ^^ which most people dont have | 05:08 |
| James147 | since all you need to do is remove the battery to reset the bios :p | 05:08 |
| CartoonCat | James147: na that doesnt work on most laptops | 05:09 |
| James147 | but unless you in a very untrusting envrioment you dont need to worry about phycial access to th comp ^^ | 05:09 |
| CartoonCat | well, its a laptop | 05:10 |
| CartoonCat | \it\ goes to the untrusting environs willingly | 05:10 |
| James147 | CartoonCat: is the drive encrypted? | 05:13 |
| CartoonCat | James147: has a password but no, ive not done full hd enc | 05:14 |
| CartoonCat | i know, i got lazy there | 05:14 |
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| Daskreech | DarthFrog: Bodhi | 05:29 |
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| uwe | wer kennt sich mit bion einstellungen aus? Guten morgen. | 06:21 |
| uwe | bios | 06:21 |
| uwe | wer kennt sich mit bion einstellungen aus? Guten morgen. | 06:27 |
| uwe | bios | 06:27 |
| Mase_wk | uwe: please don't double post, and BIOS is not really kubuntu related | 06:28 |
| _sophia | if i have an icon on my desktop, how do i figure out where the icon points? | 07:15 |
| _sophia | o.o? | 07:30 |
| _human_blip_ | system-config-printer-kde crashes for me since upgrade to 4.6.1 via kubuntu backports ppa. crash still happens after upgrade to natty. details here: http://paste.kde.org/8411/ | 07:58 |
| _human_blip_ | any ideas how to track it down? | 07:59 |
| Mase_wk | _human_blip_: you can install the debug symbols and get the backtrace | 08:05 |
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| esa | hallo | 08:12 |
| _human_blip_ | Mase_wk: is there an associated dbg package? it is python. there is already a backtrace here: http://paste.kde.org/8411/ | 08:15 |
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| Starminn | How do I enable Desktop Effects when the options are all grayed out? | 08:17 |
| susundberg | Like the "Enable desktop effects" | 08:18 |
| susundberg | ? | 08:18 |
| susundberg | afaik if that's grayed out it means that your driver does not support desktop effects | 08:18 |
| Starminn | susunberg: http://imagebin.org/145457 | 08:19 |
| Starminn | I had them before on KDE but had to reinstall kubuntu-desktop. | 08:19 |
| Starminn | On GNOME Compiz still works dreamily. | 08:20 |
| Starminn | I'm trying to like KDE, but it's just one thing after another, and it keeps pushing me back to cooperative Gnome | 08:22 |
| susundberg | don't know sorry. What i might do is to check .xsession-errors for some hints what is going on wrong | 08:22 |
| susundberg | another thing might be google for "kde" + "desktop effects" + "technical issues" + "your display driver" if you haven't done that yet .. | 08:23 |
| Tm_T | Starminn: I suspect your display driver is unsupported by KWin effects | 08:23 |
| Starminn | Tm_T: They worked before. | 08:23 |
| Starminn | susundberh: Alright. | 08:24 |
| Tm_T | Starminn: with Kwin? what have you upgraded since? | 08:24 |
| Starminn | susundberg: Display driver == graphics driver? | 08:24 |
| Tm_T | ye | 08:24 |
| Starminn | Tm_T: I installed kubuntu-desktop, and enabled Desktop effects. Then KDE decided to go postal on itself and nearly uninstalled everything KDE-based. (Been using it for 2 days) Now this time, Effects won't work. | 08:25 |
| Starminn | Everything is the same as it was last time around. | 08:25 |
| Tm_T | hmm, sounds strange | 08:28 |
| Starminn | Tm_T: I agree. Everytime I try Kubuntu this stuff happens. I want to like it but it's hard when nothing wants ot work. | 08:29 |
| Starminn | By the way, I assume http://imagebin.org/145458 it's ATI Radeon as my graphics driver? | 08:30 |
| Starminn | Yeah, that's it. (Sorry, used to Terminal, not-so-much GUIs for this stuff) | 08:31 |
| === thomi_ is now known as thomi | ||
| Starminn | Got it, guys. I'll post a link. | 08:35 |
| Starminn | Tm_T susundberg: http://matthieu.yiptong.ca/2010/09/28/enable-desktop-effects-in-kubuntu-10-10-using-radeon-driver/ (Thank you for the beautiful search query suggestion, by the way, susund.) | 08:36 |
| Starminn | Just screw the GUI and manually configure it. *shrug* Works for me. | 08:36 |
| Starminn | Thanks, both of you. | 08:36 |
| Tm_T | Starminn: good you found the solution | 08:37 |
| Tm_T | Starminn: I use opensource driver so all works just fine | 08:37 |
| Tm_T | s/so/and/ | 08:37 |
| Starminn | Tm_T: 6-year-old computer, shipped with Windows XP, never really knew much about Linux at the time, and I've only been running Linux for about 2 months now. It's a very customizable box, though, so I'll probably gradually add on and I intend to make it as open as possible. | 08:38 |
| Tm_T | Starminn: you are apparently using opensource drivers too, weird that it didn't accept them rightaway | 08:39 |
| === javalogger is now known as apachelogger | ||
| Starminn | Tm_T: Ah. Goody, then. And yes, I'm not quite sure. *shrug* | 08:40 |
| Starminn | Tm_T: Any ideas on why it says it couldn't enable Blur or Explosion when clearly Explosion is working (not sure what blur does, btu it had the same message last time too) | 08:41 |
| Tm_T | Starminn: something is gone a mess in your system | 08:43 |
| Starminn | :( | 08:43 |
| Tm_T | Starminn: or so it sounds, hmmm, possibly worth checking if all what kubuntu-desktop should bring is actually installed | 08:52 |
| Starminn | Tm_T: I've isntalled from the kubuntu-desktop package twice in the last two days. Certainly the meta package is correct. | 08:53 |
| Starminn | Tm_T: I did save a list the first time, though, of everything it bring's supposed ot bring in case I have to uninstall it. | 08:53 |
| Starminn | Tm_T: It's so long, though... If you wanted to read through it sure but it's very lengthy. | 08:53 |
| Tm_T | Starminn: sorry, have no time to check | 08:54 |
| Starminn | Tm_T: Oh, no, I wasn't expecting you to check lol | 08:54 |
| Starminn | Tm_T: Is there anything that could give me transparent titlebars? | 08:55 |
| Tm_T | Starminn: fake, yes, ummm... | 09:03 |
| Tm_T | Starminn: cannot remember the name of the windeco that provided fake transparency, was it "Crystal" ? | 09:05 |
| Tm_T | Starminn: yup, Crystal | 09:07 |
| Starminn | Yeah, that's it | 09:07 |
| Starminn | "Cyrstal is the default decorator since 6.6"? | 09:08 |
| Starminn | Oh, nevermind, I see now. | 09:09 |
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| spirov92 | Hi, I'm having some graphic glitches in plasma: http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/1117/plasmabug.png They told me in #kde that it's probably a video driver bug. Can someone help? | 09:17 |
| spirov92 | I'm using the radeon driver btw | 09:19 |
| Tm_T | spirov92: hi, how much mem your graphics card has? | 09:26 |
| spirov92 | about 500 mb, I think | 09:26 |
| Tm_T | so it's not that | 09:26 |
| === naturalpsychic is now known as majidkhan | ||
| tweeterweb_ | hey im trying to install nvidia driver i got this error message" ERROR: Unable to find the system utility `ld`; please make sure you have the package 'binutils' installed. If you do have binutils installed, then please check that `ld` is in your PATH. | 11:17 |
| Peace- | xD | 11:18 |
| redjhawk | have you tried turning it off and on again? @tweeterweb_ (ok,just joking) | 11:19 |
| redjhawk | have u installed the package? | 11:19 |
| Peace- | redjhawk:gone | 11:20 |
| Peace- | xD | 11:20 |
| tweeterweb_ | cant install it just show the error mesage | 11:20 |
| Peace- | oh | 11:20 |
| Peace- | not :D | 11:20 |
| Peace- | tweeterweb_: ok lets see which package oyu have to install | 11:20 |
| tweeterweb_ | redhawk: NVIDIA-Linux-x86-260.19.44.run | 11:21 |
| redjhawk | is the propietary drivers, i guess | 11:22 |
| Peace- | yes they are | 11:22 |
| tweeterweb_ | yes | 11:22 |
| asraniel | why don't you use the package provided by kubuntu? | 11:22 |
| tweeterweb_ | how? | 11:22 |
| asraniel | run jockey | 11:22 |
| asraniel | it will help you to install the driver | 11:22 |
| asraniel | jockes is installed by default | 11:23 |
| asraniel | jockey | 11:23 |
| tweeterweb_ | wait | 11:23 |
| asraniel | jockey-kde actually | 11:23 |
| Peace- | tweeterweb_: look at this http://wstaw.org/m/2011/03/29/plasma_howto-throw-ball_.gif | 11:25 |
| Peace- | tweeterweb_: i have not nvidia | 11:25 |
| Peace- | but you can activate that using the same | 11:25 |
| Peace- | operations | 11:25 |
| Peace- | mm it doesnt look well | 11:27 |
| Peace- | anywya the program is jockey-kde | 11:27 |
| redjhawk | asraniel: and how aboit if he just installs binutils-dev and run that script again? will it work? | 11:28 |
| redjhawk | i use ubuntu @ work and debian @ home, so i have no clue of this new (and useful) tools :) | 11:31 |
| tweeterweb_ | redjhawl: im done apt-get install binutils then install nvidia driver,i got this ERROR: You appear to be running an X server; please exit X before installing. For further details, | 11:32 |
| tweeterweb_ | please see the section INSTALLING THE NVIDIA DRIVER in the README available on the Linux driver | 11:33 |
| tweeterweb_ | download page at www.nvidia.com. | 11:33 |
| Peace- | tweeterweb_: use jockey.kde | 11:33 |
| Peace- | . | 11:33 |
| Peace- | tweeterweb_: which is your language? | 11:34 |
| tweeterweb_ | peace-:english | 11:34 |
| Peace- | so .. | 11:34 |
| Peace- | so why you ddind't use jockey-kde? | 11:35 |
| tweeterweb_ | peace-:im done using jockey-kde it says theres no proprietary driver installed | 11:35 |
| Peace- | screenshot please | 11:35 |
| Peace- | of jockey-kde | 11:36 |
| redjhawk | tweeterweb_: if you want to run that script ,then, i guess, you should run that script from a real console. control+alt+F1, then user & passworkd. Then sudo invoke-rc.d kdm and finally, run that script.... | 11:37 |
| asraniel | redjhawk: sure, but he will run into trouble everytime the kernel updates | 11:37 |
| Peace- | +1 asraniel | 11:38 |
| redjhawk | +1 :P | 11:38 |
| Peace- | caffe time | 11:39 |
| Peace- | bye bye and good day from italy | 11:39 |
| tweeterweb_ | peace-: additional drivers no proprietary drivers are in use on this system | 11:39 |
| noaXess_kubuntu | all | 11:42 |
| noaXess_kubuntu | hey :) | 11:43 |
| noaXess_kubuntu | have a problem since upgrade to 10.10.. microphone won't work.. | 11:43 |
| noaXess_kubuntu | if i boot from a ubuntu live-cd 10.10, microphone work.. | 11:43 |
| noaXess_kubuntu | i have a 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller | 11:44 |
| noaXess_kubuntu | aplay -l: Intel [HDA Intel], Gerät 0: VT1708S Analog [VT1708S Analog] | 11:45 |
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| tweeterweb_ | how to exit x server? | 12:01 |
| susundberg | logout | 12:03 |
| susundberg | though it will start again -- you can shutdown it by logging in on terminal (ctrl + alt + f1) and running 'sudo service kdm stop' | 12:04 |
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| === mig is now known as Guest27297 | ||
| spirov92 | I'm seeing a weird rendering bug in plasma: http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/1117/plasmabug.png anyone know how to fix this? | 13:14 |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas | 14:02 |
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| === apachelogger is now known as thresh_fan_fan | ||
| inj3ct0r | hi | 14:45 |
| inj3ct0r | no body there? | 14:45 |
| === Guest49290 is now known as admiralf | ||
| Tm_T | inj3ct0r: plenty of us here | 14:47 |
| Peace- | Tm_T: hi | 14:50 |
| Peace- | :) | 14:50 |
| BluesKaj | hey Tm_T , Peace-...how's things today ? | 14:51 |
| Peace- | BluesKaj: fine here | 14:51 |
| Peace- | BluesKaj: 20 deggree | 14:51 |
| admiralf | hey folks, i recently wanted to upgrade my kubuntu 10.10 to 11.04 because the summer term starts next week, but when i fired up the daily build in an VM it killed X.org and/or KDE while initilaising Akonadi | 14:53 |
| admiralf | i didnt had a deeper look into that issue, but id like to here if this is known? | 14:53 |
| BluesKaj | Peace-, how's things = how are you and how is your day going | 14:53 |
| admiralf | hear | 14:54 |
| Peace- | BluesKaj: well :D because today it's 20 degree out there | 14:54 |
| Peace- | :D | 14:54 |
| BluesKaj | admiralf, best to ask in #ubntu_1 | 14:54 |
| admiralf | thx | 14:54 |
| BluesKaj | #ubntu+1 | 14:55 |
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| BluesKaj | ubuntu+1 ...I need my glasses fixed | 14:55 |
| admiralf | :) | 14:56 |
| BluesKaj | sry admiralf | 14:56 |
| BluesKaj | ok Peace-, it's 4C here and the snow finally melting ...very cool spring so far | 15:01 |
| Peace- | BluesKaj: :) in italy we get flowers now, well maybe 4 week ago | 15:01 |
| Peace- | weeks | 15:01 |
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| BluesKaj | Peace-, nice :) | 15:02 |
| Peace- | spring it's the most beautifull season here for me | 15:03 |
| Peace- | in agoust too much hot , you would die , xD my uncle you know he is canadian and hahhahaha when he came here was agoust :P 35 -39 ° | 15:04 |
| stephdg | Peace-: where are you from? | 15:05 |
| bobthebuilder | hi peeps, I somehow managed to move the system tray, it is now to the left and refuses to go back to the right! | 15:05 |
| Peace- | stephdg: italy | 15:05 |
| stephdg | Peace-: :-) | 15:05 |
| Peace- | stephdg: you ? | 15:06 |
| stephdg | Peace-: from US, but living in India | 15:06 |
| Peace- | stephdg: nice ! | 15:06 |
| stephdg | Peace-: yep :) | 15:06 |
| Peace- | stephdg: temperature? | 15:06 |
| Peace- | well we are a "little" offtopic :D | 15:07 |
| stephdg | Peace-: right now 30 C | 15:07 |
| Peace- | LOL | 15:07 |
| stephdg | and summer is not even here yet Peace- :( | 15:08 |
| BluesKaj | bobthebuilder, click the cashew in the right corner , then use those little arrows on the left and right to move the panel | 15:08 |
| bobthebuilder | all the panel moves including the K, folders etc... | 15:09 |
| bobthebuilder | I would prefer to leave those as-is and just move from the i-mail-clipboard etc | 15:10 |
| BluesKaj | maybe you lost the taskbar , bobthebuilder , add another | 15:11 |
| BluesKaj | err taskmanager I guess | 15:12 |
| BluesKaj | seems like they keep changing the names | 15:13 |
| * genii-around sips and thinks about the kicker | 15:14 | |
| bobthebuilder | damn, it's gone to the top now :( | 15:14 |
| bobthebuilder | can I reset my desktop ? | 15:15 |
| * BluesKaj wonders if there's a plasma panel tutorial somewhere | 15:25 | |
| Peace- | BluesKaj: to do what? | 15:25 |
| bobthebuilder | I've lost the system tray altogether now :( as you can guess I've just switch from windoze to kubuntu :) | 15:27 |
| James147 | http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma | 15:28 |
| bobthebuilder | thnx again james | 15:29 |
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| ua | hello eveybody | 15:40 |
| ua | can not update, my system, home is full but i can not clean any files? can you helpme? | 15:43 |
| James147 | ua: what do you mean you cannot clean files? | 15:47 |
| ua | James147>thanks for answer, i mean i don't know how to clean unused files in my home partition, take look this is result of my df -h http://paste.ubuntu.com/586895/ | 15:50 |
| ua | <James147>as you see home is full | 15:51 |
| ua | <James147>can you help me? | 15:52 |
| James147 | ua: umm... delete them? ... you can use du -sh <dir> to see which files and folders are using the most space in <dir> | 15:53 |
| James147 | ^^ i would start with /home (ie: du -sh /home/USERNAME ) | 15:54 |
| James147 | ua: you can try running kleansweep to clear some stuff up... though it wont clear that much space, its most likly data files that are causing the problem | 15:56 |
| ua | James147>with witch command? | 15:57 |
| James147 | ua: kleansweep is a gui program ^^ | 15:57 |
| ua | James147>what do you mean by " its most likly data files that are causing the problem | 15:58 |
| ua | should i install kleansweep? | 15:58 |
| meganerd | ua: things like movies, music and the like | 15:59 |
| ua | do you mean that data files are = something like movies, music..? | 16:00 |
| James147 | ua: i doupt it will make much difference, it will only clear chaches and histories and such, which will barly take up any space | 16:00 |
| James147 | ua: yes | 16:00 |
| James147 | ua: as i said, use "du -sh <dir>" to see what folders are taking up the most space | 16:01 |
| ua | no i don't have movies or music in my desktop | 16:01 |
| ua | James147> | 16:01 |
| James147 | or filelight... the gui version of du | 16:01 |
| James147 | ua: well something is... and the only way your going to find out is by searching | 16:02 |
| meganerd | filelight is what I use | 16:02 |
| naomi_ | some of my windows won't close by pressing the x. on java chats, digichats, i can't close the windows. is there a command or something to fix that? | 16:02 |
| James147 | du or filelight will be very usful for finding out what folders are using the space | 16:02 |
| James147 | naomi_: what programs? | 16:03 |
| meganerd | I also use an alias that maps to "du -Pacmx --max-depth=1 . |sort -g" | 16:03 |
| ua | James147>...searching... but how and where? | 16:03 |
| meganerd | naomi_: xkill | 16:03 |
| naomi_ | umm it's a digichat. to do with java. like when pm conversations pop up, i can't close them. | 16:04 |
| meganerd | ua: install filelight, use it to scan your home folder | 16:04 |
| ua | <James147>you said it's possible with kleansweep, can you tell me how? | 16:04 |
| naomi_ | can't exit the window by pressing X. | 16:04 |
| ua | meganerd>thanks for answer, just filelight and using by gui, do i? | 16:05 |
| James147 | ua: no, i said it will clean up some files ^^ it wont touch your data files, while will be using most of the space | 16:05 |
| James147 | ua: just use filelight and see while files are using the space | 16:05 |
| meganerd | ua: yes | 16:05 |
| * James147 grumbles at java | 16:05 | |
| naomi_ | lol. | 16:06 |
| James147 | naomi_: which version of java are you useing (open or sun)? | 16:06 |
| ua | this is answer for ao-get install filelight= E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? | 16:06 |
| naomi_ | umm. i have no idea to be honest. how do i check? | 16:07 |
| ua | sorry "apt-get install filelight" | 16:07 |
| TheBuntu | does ubuntu have anything called liveusb creatore or something in that line....or is that just a fedora package.......makes the usb stick look just like it was the iso on cd...just the same...not generict like unetbootin | 16:07 |
| meganerd | ua: sudo apt-get install filelight | 16:08 |
| James147 | !liveusb | TheBuntu | 16:10 |
| ubottu | TheBuntu: For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent | 16:10 |
| James147 | ^^ something that does that? | 16:10 |
| naomi_ | OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.9.7) (6b20-1.9.7-0ubuntu1~10.04.1) | 16:11 |
| naomi_ | OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 19.0-b09, mixed mode) | 16:11 |
| naomi_ | is my java. | 16:11 |
| James147 | naomi_: try using suns version of java | 16:11 |
| James147 | !java | 16:11 |
| ubottu | To install a Java runtime on Ubuntu on 10.04 LTS and newer, see http://tinyurl.com/2ffg7cc - For the Sun Java products and browser plugin, search for the sun-java6- packages in the !partner repository on Lucid (which must be enabled), or !multiverse repository on older releases. | 16:11 |
| ua | <meganerd>i did that, unfortunly i've had same anwswer | 16:11 |
| James147 | !partner | 16:12 |
| ubottu | Canonical's partner repositories provide packages a location for software vendors to publish applications. The repo itself can be added by running this in a !terminal: « sudo add-apt-repository "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ $(lsb_release -sc) partner" » | 16:12 |
| James147 | ua: do you have another package manager open/running? | 16:12 |
| BluesKaj | hmmm , kded4 using 100% cpu on both cores after installing a weather widget that froze my desktop , had to suspend kded4 in the system monitor ..is this a known issue , I see some references in google linux but no answers to whaty the cause might be . | 16:12 |
| TheBuntu | guess i over looked the startup disk creator | 16:13 |
| ua | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? | 16:14 |
| James147 | ua: do you have another package manager open/running? | 16:15 |
| ua | no | 16:15 |
| ua | i don't know why | 16:15 |
| ua | i don't know why it guives me thais message | 16:16 |
| shane4ubuntu | back up question: I have used rsync to backup monthly my /home files, I'm really thinking about using rdiff-backup now instead. can I just rdiff-backup into the directory I was using for rsync? | 16:16 |
| tsimpson | shane4ubuntu: I don't see why not | 16:17 |
| shane4ubuntu | I think rdiff-backup uses rsync to a certain degree, but then goes beyond that with extra backup options. | 16:18 |
| shane4ubuntu | I just don't want to have to fix my backup directory afterwards. | 16:18 |
| ua | oki am rebooting machine to see if, iam having same message..; i'll let you know, | 16:19 |
| shane4ubuntu | I guess I could make a small test case scenario and give that a try on a small scale to be on the safe side. | 16:19 |
| tsimpson | rsync doesn't leave anything rsync specific in the dirs, so it'd be like just copping /home to the backup dir, and starting with rdiff-backup from scratch | 16:19 |
| tsimpson | but without having to do the actual copy of course | 16:19 |
| shane4ubuntu | right, but rdiff-backup copies everything over too, and then somehow time stamps stuff and changes made too. | 16:19 |
| shane4ubuntu | so I figure it will be a little faster the first time around, in that rdiff won't have to copy everything, as rsync has alread done that. | 16:20 |
| tsimpson | I guess test it and see, but I would think it'd be fine as long as you don't use rsync once you start with rdiff | 16:21 |
| shane4ubuntu | wow, rdiff didn't like that, failed with fatal error! | 16:21 |
| tsimpson | I guess it really just wants to use diffs then | 16:22 |
| shane4ubuntu | http://paste.ubuntu.com/586918/ that is the error I had, I first ran rsync on a small directory to test, then rdiff and it didn't like it | 16:23 |
| shane4ubuntu | I can force it, but I will try that with the test first. | 16:23 |
| ua | thre's problem, i can not install anything | 16:24 |
| ua | James147>are you there? | 16:26 |
| James147 | ua: same error? | 16:26 |
| ua | E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. | 16:27 |
| shane4ubuntu | ahh, that is what I wanted to know, rdiff when run with force deletes any files that are not currently in the directory, that is dangerous for my backup since I have deleted things on my desktop I don't have room for knowing I have a backup copy | 16:27 |
| James147 | ua: ^^ try what it said | 16:27 |
| shane4ubuntu | it is essentially the same as running rsync --delete source dest | 16:27 |
| ua | i am testing | 16:28 |
| naomi_ | kay i need to uninstall open java and install sun java? and someone told me to do this | 16:30 |
| naomi_ | sudo apt-get remove OpenJDK-6-jre && sudo bash -c "deb http://archive.canonical.com lucid partner >> /etc/apt/sources.list" && sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre | 16:30 |
| naomi_ | but it doesnt work | 16:30 |
| FloodBotK2 | naomi_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation. | 16:30 |
| ua | James147>it seems installed but i can not see the program when i am searching for | 16:31 |
| James147 | naomi_: ^^ package names are lower case, and installing the sun version will remove the open version so you dont really need to remove it first | 16:31 |
| naomi_ | yeah i tried it again in lower case, didn't work. | 16:32 |
| naomi_ | i changed the JDK | 16:32 |
| bloodsmith | Does anyone know how to use a .cbr file? Better question: does anyone know of a good program that will open .cbr files? | 16:32 |
| James147 | naomi_: what error> | 16:32 |
| James147 | ua: which program are you triyng to install? | 16:33 |
| naomi_ | E: Couldn't find package Openjdk-6-jre | 16:33 |
| James147 | naomi_: ^^ thats a upper case O ... but just ignroe that step... installing the sun version wil remove the open version anyway | 16:34 |
| bloodsmith | nvm, found something on google... here's hoping it actually effing works this time... | 16:34 |
| naomi_ | umm. a load of things popped up. the last thing was | 16:36 |
| naomi_ | bash: deb: command not found | 16:36 |
| naomi_ | and then i tried java -version and it still says open | 16:36 |
| ua | James147>filelight | 16:40 |
| James147 | ua: what happens if you try to run it in a terminal? | 16:40 |
| naomi_ | i was told to | 16:42 |
| naomi_ | uncomment "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu lucid partner" in /etc/apt/sources.list, then run apt-get update | 16:42 |
| naomi_ | what does that mean. >_> | 16:42 |
| naomi_ | i don't even know what etc/apt/sources is | 16:42 |
| maco | /etc/apt/sources.list is a text file | 16:43 |
| maco | it lists servers on the internet from which you can install software and updates | 16:43 |
| maco | there is a line like the one you quoted that starts with a # | 16:43 |
| maco | the # makes it a comment so that the software doesn't read it, but if you remove the #, it becomes active | 16:43 |
| maco | so you just need to edit that file and backspace out the # on that line. you can do that with "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list" | 16:44 |
| maco | after that, you'd reload the list of what's available on the active servers with "sudo apt-get update" and then you can use it | 16:44 |
| maco | naomi_: ^ | 16:44 |
| ua | the installation seems working, and at the end i closed the message for licence , now i am searching for program , it doesnt exist!!! | 16:45 |
| maco | ua: message for license? | 16:46 |
| ua | gui update works at the same time, i think that's why i could not install anything...it said 10 update..but i could not install it | 16:46 |
| maco | ua: did the command line thing show you a red & blue thing with the license? if so, you probably needed to scroll down and hit enter or spacebar on the [OK] or [Accept] or whatever it is to finish the install. by just hitting hte X you once again interrupted the installation | 16:48 |
| ua | now i am trying to install it again, and it guives the same error as before | 16:48 |
| meganerd | ua: filelight does not need a licence | 16:48 |
| shane4ubuntu | ok, weird stuff going on with my desktop, I NEVER get an I/O error with rsync backup, and got that error, so I rebooted, computer did some weird thing, where it hung on boot? I left and came back to a black screen??? rebooted, and it booted normally, Any ideas? | 16:48 |
| meganerd | shane4ubuntu: out of disk space? | 16:49 |
| shane4ubuntu | meganerd: no, I deleted a bunch of my files yesterday | 16:49 |
| shane4ubuntu | I have about 30GB free now. | 16:49 |
| shane4ubuntu | 2.6G free on / and 42G free on /home separate partitions | 16:49 |
| ua | sorry, i don't know what is it then, i've had blue page, i scrolled down till the en and i then i've closed terminal | 16:50 |
| ua | like licence | 16:50 |
| maco | ua: do the dpkg --configure -a thing agian, and this time let the install actually finish | 16:50 |
| meganerd | shane4ubuntu: I/O errors are usually bad when you are trying to write to disk. Maybe try booting from a rescue disk and run fsck | 16:50 |
| shane4ubuntu | meganerd: right, that is what I thought, could it be my hdd is failing? | 16:50 |
| BluesKaj | I noticed lately the sources.list isn't auto- edited to reflect changes when done so from the cli or a package manager | 16:50 |
| maco | ua: the blue thing is for any sort of configuration question. you have to answer it for th einstall to finish. the blue will be gone when the install is done | 16:51 |
| meganerd | shane4ubuntu: possibly | 16:51 |
| shane4ubuntu | and which hdd? backup or bootup disk? | 16:51 |
| ua | dpkg: status database area is locked by another process | 16:51 |
| meganerd | shane4ubuntu: if you feel adventurous you could get to know the smartctl utility | 16:51 |
| maco | ua: do you stil have the gui updater open? | 16:51 |
| maco | BluesKaj: do they edit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* maybe? i know thats how add-apt-repository works | 16:51 |
| shane4ubuntu | meganerd: mine has that, I have a gigabyte mobo and I remember seeing that somewhere | 16:52 |
| shane4ubuntu | meganerd: though I know nothing about it. | 16:52 |
| ua | guiKpackageKit is running automaticly, cause there are 10 update, that's why i am having this message i think | 16:52 |
| meganerd | shane4ubuntu: it is usually installed by default. As long as your BIOS has it enabled there are some extended tests you can run | 16:52 |
| shane4ubuntu | meganerd: oooh, you mean a linux app? the smartctl utitily? | 16:53 |
| BluesKaj | maco, yeah, but why the change , I recall the changes used work in just the soures.list...seems like duplication to me | 16:53 |
| meganerd | shane4ubuntu: smartctl is one of those CLI that looks daunting at first, but has decent documentation. It is not a requirement that you use it, but can be handy | 16:53 |
| maco | BluesKaj: i dont remember add-at-repository ever doing it outside that dir. its easy to just rm the file with the ppa's name | 16:53 |
| meganerd | shane4ubuntu: yup | 16:53 |
| maco | ua: close it? | 16:54 |
| ua | this is strange | 16:54 |
| ua | ok | 16:54 |
| shane4ubuntu | meganerd: installing now, there is a gui one too. :) I don't mind cli though. | 16:54 |
| ua | i did | 16:54 |
| meganerd | shane4ubuntu: I did not know about the GUI front end, learn something new every day | 16:54 |
| shane4ubuntu | I did a quick search and it popped up, I think I'll start with gui | 16:55 |
| meganerd | ua: while you are waiting, open up a new terminal, then paste in everything between the quotes "du -Pacmx . --max-depth=1 |sort -g"\ | 16:55 |
| ua | maco>the big problem i had is to clean partition home | 16:55 |
| ua | i don't know how | 16:56 |
| ua | i mean clean unused files in /home | 16:56 |
| ua | meganerd>sorry i didn't understand | 16:57 |
| ua | you mean i've just to type in terminal "du -Pacmx . --max-depth=1 |sort -g"\" do you? | 16:57 |
| meganerd | ua: everything between the " marks | 16:58 |
| meganerd | ua: du -Pacmx . --max-depth=1 |sort -g | 16:58 |
| ua | ok | 16:58 |
| shane4ubuntu | meganerd: wow, gsmartcontrol is quite nice, seems as though all is A-Ok. | 16:58 |
| ua | do i do with root? | 16:59 |
| ua | meganerd>this is the result= http://paste.ubuntu.com/586936/ | 17:01 |
| ua | i 've to go, i come back | 17:02 |
| meganerd | ua: so this list displays the usage of each folder in Megabytes, then sorts that list so that the largest folders on the bottom | 17:02 |
| meganerd | ua: your .Virtualbox folder is the culprit | 17:02 |
| ua | what | 17:03 |
| ua | <meganerd>what do you mean? | 17:03 |
| meganerd | 12 gigs of space are used by your ~/.Virtualbox folder | 17:03 |
| shane4ubuntu | ua type the first few letters of mega and hit tab, it should complete his nick | 17:03 |
| meganerd | ua: that is where all your space went on your home partition | 17:03 |
| ua | do you mean that Virtualbox is the big foulder? | 17:04 |
| meganerd | ua: yes | 17:04 |
| ua | is 11416Bytes= 11,41Go? | 17:04 |
| meganerd | ua: the command I had you run uses megabytes | 17:05 |
| ua | or 11416 is MB? | 17:05 |
| ua | ok | 17:05 |
| ua | so how can i do to delete it? | 17:06 |
| meganerd | ua: I forced du to use megabytes to make it easier to sort | 17:06 |
| meganerd | ua: well, you could do a rm .-fr ~/.Virtualbox | 17:06 |
| ua | yes i see so hwo can i enter in to delete some files ? | 17:06 |
| James147 | ^^ that will delete your vms | 17:07 |
| meganerd | ua: but that would delete the folder and all of the VMs inside of it | 17:07 |
| ua | ok | 17:07 |
| ua | oh no | 17:07 |
| meganerd | ua: you could cd into that folder and run that command again to see which VMs are using your space | 17:07 |
| ua | just want to see and delete all what i want | 17:07 |
| ua | ok | 17:07 |
| meganerd | ua: you should really consider using a bigger and faster drive for this anyway | 17:07 |
| ua | thank you very mutch | 17:07 |
| ua | thank you for helping | 17:08 |
| ua | i've to go , i am at work | 17:08 |
| meganerd | ua: np | 17:08 |
| ua | see you | 17:08 |
| shane4ubuntu | meganerd: I take that back, 1 disk with pre-failure warnings! | 17:10 |
| meganerd | shane4ubuntu: yikes, time to backup and get a new drive | 17:10 |
| shane4ubuntu | meganerd: I have 3 drives in my box, and a backup usb drive. problem is all of them are old. :) | 17:11 |
| shane4ubuntu | time to relocate data in case of failure. | 17:11 |
| shane4ubuntu | meganerd: what does this mean: 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 099 099 036 Pre-fail Always - 58 it is pink in the gui while everything else is white, I have several pre-fail things, but only this one is pink. | 17:19 |
| shane4ubuntu | !screenshot | 17:20 |
| ubottu | Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr] button. Want to show us a screenshot of your problem? Upload an image to http://imagebin.org/?page=add and post a link to it. | 17:20 |
| shane4ubuntu | meganerd: here is a better veiw of it: http://imagebin.org/145526 | 17:22 |
| naomi_ | james? | 17:25 |
| naomi_ | i installed sun version of java but when i do "version -java" in terminal it tells me i have open java. and someone told me to go to synaptic and uninstall "icedtea" plugin? | 17:26 |
| naomi_ | http://imagebin.org/145527 is what it looks like. | 17:26 |
| naomi_ | no idea what to do. | 17:26 |
| James147 | naomi_: log out and back in | 17:26 |
| naomi_ | okie. | 17:27 |
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| naomi_ | nope still says open java. i was told to go search "icedtea" and uninstall that.. but i have no idea how to. | 17:29 |
| naomi_ | OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.9.7) (6b20-1.9.7-0ubuntu1~10.04.1) | 17:30 |
| naomi_ | is the output. | 17:30 |
| James147 | naomi_: run "sudo update-alternatives --config java" | 17:30 |
| meganerdca | shane4ubuntu: I did some googling, seems that there are some mixed opinions about how serious this error is | 17:30 |
| shane4ubuntu | meganerdca: hmm, I don't really know anything about it, but all my drives report pre-failure, I don't think it is a real deal until it is pink | 17:31 |
| shane4ubuntu | but I don't know either. | 17:31 |
| naomi_ | k it says there's 2 choices for the alternative java. 63 is the number for the sun java, i type that in yes? | 17:31 |
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| James147 | choise the sun java one | 17:32 |
| naomi_ | k thanks. | 17:32 |
| naomi_ | Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_24-b07) | 17:33 |
| naomi_ | is the output now, is that right? | 17:33 |
| meganerdca | shane4ubuntu: consider running the tests from the test tab | 17:33 |
| shane4ubuntu | meganerdca: yeah, I did the test, and nothing turned up, it said all was good. odd, I guess no real threat for the time being, | 17:34 |
| shane4ubuntu | meganerdca: on the other hand seems as though when I run rsync with dryrun and delete I keep getting IO error | 17:34 |
| meganerdca | shane4ubuntu: when you get some time, run the extended test | 17:34 |
| shane4ubuntu | meganerdca: yeah, that will have to be later, to really check out the disk. | 17:34 |
| James147 | naomi_: now check your program see if it behaves its self | 17:35 |
| meganerdca | shane4ubuntu: good luck. | 17:38 |
| shane4ubuntu | meganerdca: thanks for the info! | 17:38 |
| zdubdub | hello, is there any way to emulate a "right-click"? My trackpad on my laptop only detects a single mouse button, unfortunately | 17:40 |
| naomi_ | james it still won't close the window or the pm window. my friend said it's something with the coding on java.. but i have no idea. | 17:41 |
| naomi_ | is there anything you can think of to fix it? | 17:41 |
| genii-around | zdubdub: Try shift-f10 | 17:42 |
| zdubdub | thank you very much! | 17:42 |
| zdubdub | genii-around, cheers | 17:42 |
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| James147 | naomi_: I would agree with your friend... a poorly written java app (and not the only one :p) | 17:47 |
| naomi_ | lol. | 17:47 |
| naomi_ | so there's no way to fix it? | 17:47 |
| meganerdca | naomi_: does it work properly on another computer or OS? | 17:50 |
| naomi_ | yeah it works fine on any other os besides windows. my friend just said it's poor coding.. and windows made up for a lot of faults. | 17:50 |
| naomi_ | or something. | 17:50 |
| naomi_ | i mean besides linux^^^ | 17:50 |
| naomi_ | well its not working for me on linux. i dunno if it--- maybe one of you could try it? see if it works for you? | 17:51 |
| naomi_ | if you wouldn't mind. | 17:51 |
| James147 | which program? | 17:51 |
| James147 | (link would be helpful) ^^ | 17:52 |
| Shogoot | hey people. can anyone help mee find the name of the program that executes the "additional driver"? sotha ti can call the program fromcommand line | 17:53 |
| Shogoot | hey people. can anyone help mee find the name of the program that executes the "additional driver"? so that i can call the program from command line? | 17:54 |
| Riddell | Shogoot: jockey-kde ? | 17:58 |
| Shogoot | thanks | 18:00 |
| Shogoot | im hitting the icon but it wontexecute | 18:00 |
| Shogoot | gonnatry the command line | 18:00 |
| ua | <meganerd>hello are you there? | 18:01 |
| amichair | woweee.... my X process is using 632M RES... is there a new big memory leak floating around in maverick? | 18:07 |
| ua | what's is the commande tu purge all ./.VirtualBox,? thank you | 18:09 |
| ashmew2 | Hi , im having some bars appearing on the KDE Menu | 18:09 |
| ashmew2 | could someone have a look ? | 18:09 |
| amichair | ua: "rm -rf ~/.VirtualBox", but make sure your type it correctly so u don't erase other stuff... | 18:09 |
| ashmew2 | http://img269.imageshack.us/i/snapshot1bn.png/ | 18:10 |
| ashmew2 | Im having issues with bars appearing on the KDE Menu | 18:11 |
| ua | <amichair>thank you , what do you , i don't erase another stuff? | 18:13 |
| ashmew2 | ua: because rm-rf is a dangerous command | 18:13 |
| amichair | ua: if you type the wrong folder, or add spaces (as in "/ something" instead of "/something"), you basically erase your whole filesystem... | 18:15 |
| ua | <ashmew2>ok thank you, but why i could not do it with "sudo apt-get remove --purge virtualbox" yes it didn't work | 18:15 |
| amichair | ua: that I don't know. maybe it leaves your user data (vm) behind, and only uninstalls the application. | 18:15 |
| genii-around | ashmew2: What drivername does: sudo lshw -C video| grep config report? | 18:16 |
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| ashmew2 | ua : what error were u getting when trying to purge ? | 18:17 |
| ashmew2 | genii-around: ur using the video parameter , so im pretty sure it would list your video driver | 18:18 |
| ashmew2 | genii-around: if i understand you correctly | 18:18 |
| amichair | ua: or maybe you installed virtualbox-ose or some other package name other than plain virtualbox? | 18:18 |
| genii-around | ashmew2: Yes. eg: what video driver is being used to render the funny bars on your menu? | 18:19 |
| ua | <amichair>ok thank's , i need to move all iso file so can you tell me if i can move ./file.vdi into another partition, is it possible,?withoute increase home partition, cause i had not lot of space inside | 18:19 |
| ashmew2 | configuration: driver=i915 latency=0 | 18:19 |
| ashmew2 | genii-around: sorry i misunderstood , im on the default intel driver | 18:19 |
| ashmew2 | gnome is working wonderfully...I just saw these bars yesterday for the first time at the startup splash | 18:19 |
| ua | <amichair>yes i installed virtualbox-ose | 18:19 |
| ashmew2 | those went away but now , the KDE menu ones are still having funny bars | 18:20 |
| ashmew2 | genii-around : http://img269.imageshack.us/f/snapshot1bn.png/ | 18:20 |
| amichair | ua: you can probably move the disk image and then point the vm to it or create a new vm that boots from it... you'll have to play around with virtualbox for that | 18:20 |
| ashmew2 | i915 driver is in use | 18:20 |
| ua | <amichair>ok, but when i create a new VM that's from it....it will installl ./.VBox in home partition by default is it right? | 18:24 |
| ua | <amichair>cause if it is i'll have same problem | 18:25 |
| ua | <amichair>are you agree with me? | 18:27 |
| amichair | ua: when you create a vm, I think you can browse for existing disks rather than create a new one | 18:28 |
| ua | amichair>did you have test of that? | 18:30 |
| amichair | ua: nope. It's just what I think I remember. As I said, you'll have to play around with virtualbox to try. | 18:31 |
| ua | amichair>ok , but do you think that it will work in win partitions? i mean ntfs or fat? | 18:33 |
| amichair | ua: I don't see why that should make a difference | 18:34 |
| ua | amichair>ok , but do you think that it will work with ubuntu from win partitions? i mean ntfs or fat? | 18:34 |
| amichair | as long as the host OS can read the filesystem, it should work (ubuntu and windows can both work with ntfs) | 18:35 |
| ua | cause i wonder ubuntu or kubuntu will works beter from from linux partitions as ext3, ext4...than ntfs or fat, do you? | 18:37 |
| amichair | I don't know the stats on that | 18:38 |
| amichair | but it also depends on what you're going to be doing in the vm. the disk access overhead difference might be insignificant in any case. | 18:38 |
| ua | amichair> i need to make litle network with Vbox , | 18:40 |
| amichair | ua: I say, just try it, and it'll be ok :-) | 18:40 |
| ua | i tested that in debian it didn't work, maybe there's another copy in ./home? don't know | 18:41 |
| ua | amichair>i'll try a new one | 18:41 |
| amichair | tested what? what exactly didn't work? | 18:41 |
| ua | Vbox | 18:42 |
| luca__ | ugy | 18:43 |
| ua | amichair>but i think there is copy in ./home and systeme said that's full | 18:43 |
| ua | amichair>anyway, i'll test as you told, thank you very mutch | 18:44 |
| amichair | ua: good luck! | 18:45 |
| ua | can you remeber me the comand to delete VBOX please? | 18:45 |
| ua | yes this one "rm -rf ~/.VirtualBox | 18:46 |
| ua | " | 18:46 |
| ua | ok i found it | 18:47 |
| ua | thank yoy | 18:47 |
| ua | what mean fr? | 18:47 |
| ua | rf | 18:47 |
| amichair | ua: r is recursive, f is force (i.e. don't ask confirmation for each file). run "man rm" for details... | 18:49 |
| ua | thank you very mutch, good continuation | 18:49 |
| ua | amichair>thank you again master | 18:50 |
| amichair | nah, I'm a noob myself | 18:50 |
| amichair | only discovered swappiness yesterday :-) | 18:50 |
| ua | have good evening | 18:51 |
| ua | bye | 18:51 |
| amichair | you too! | 18:51 |
| naomi_ | Why can't I do a euro sign or ctrl alt my vowels to put an accent on them? .-. | 18:53 |
| genii-around | naomi_: In System Settings..Input Devices...Keyboard..Advanced tab Check off "Configure Keyboard options" And then select a key or key combination to be the "Compose" key. Then when you want accents or umlauts etc you use the compose key and a combination of two characters to make the accents. There is a table of what keys produce what special characters here: http://www.astro.ufl.edu/it/docs/intl-keyboard.html | 19:29 |
| katsrc | does anyone know why Kubuntu moved from aptitude to apt-get? | 19:29 |
| naomi_ | genii i dont even know how to get to system settings. >.> | 19:32 |
| James147 | katsrc: they didnt move from one to the other, ubuntu has always favoured apt-get ^^ they just removed aptitude from the installation disk to save on space with the argument that there is no need for two packagemanagment software | 19:32 |
| James147 | ^^ you can install it with "sudo apt-get install aptitude" :) | 19:32 |
| katsrc | James147: i was under the impression to use aptitude to avoid "meta package issue" | 19:33 |
| James147 | naomi_: alt+f2: type "System settings" press enter :) or menu > system settings | 19:33 |
| katsrc | that was the recommended route on Ubuntu wikis also | 19:33 |
| James147 | what issue? | 19:33 |
| katsrc | James147: that seems like a plausible reason to remove it | 19:34 |
| James147 | katsrc: ^^ debian has gone to faviour aptitude ... | 19:34 |
| katsrc | James147: dependency | 19:34 |
| katsrc | James147: thanks for the info. | 19:35 |
| naomi_ | Error stating file '/home/naomi/System settings': No such file or directory | 19:35 |
| naomi_ | genii. ^ | 19:35 |
| naomi_ | >.> | 19:35 |
| naomi_ | im a complete noob at this stuff. | 19:36 |
| James147 | naomi_: did you type it without the quotes? | 19:36 |
| naomi_ | of course. | 19:36 |
| genii-around | naomi_: just: systemsettings like that, all one word lowercase without spaces | 19:37 |
| naomi_ | still says no file found. :| | 19:38 |
| * James147 wonders why "system settings" dident work ^^ always has for him | 19:38 | |
| naomi_ | Error stating file '/home/naomi/systemsettings': No such file or directory | 19:38 |
| naomi_ | :( | 19:39 |
| naomi_ | and i dont know how to get to it from the menu. | 19:39 |
| * genii-around ponders the odd error message | 19:39 | |
| oborozukiyo | linux is cool | 19:39 |
| oborozukiyo | *kubuntu | 19:39 |
| genii-around | naomi_: I use the "classic" menu, from there it's in Settings..System Settings | 19:40 |
| naomi_ | what is the classic menu?! | 19:40 |
| naomi_ | oh im not even on kubuntu. | 19:40 |
| genii-around | naomi_: If you right-click on the K you can choose classic or new style | 19:40 |
| naomi_ | lol. :| | 19:40 |
| oborozukiyo | how could i know which type of flashplayer installer is required for kubuntu | 19:40 |
| James147 | oborozukiyo: normally best to install it from the repos ^^ installing "kubuntu-restricted-extras" should install flash | 19:41 |
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| oborozukiyo | wow cool | 19:42 |
| oborozukiyo | thanx | 19:42 |
| oborozukiyo | im not used to this | 19:42 |
| loic | qwe | 19:54 |
| kkszysiu | Any idea why qt apps could use qtcurve in KDE? | 20:05 |
| Islington | kkszysiu: the style is set to qtcurce? | 20:08 |
| Islington | *qtcurve | 20:08 |
| kkszysiu | Islington: yeap | 20:09 |
| Islington | so that is why they are using qtcurve | 20:09 |
| katsrc | did they stop selling KDE merchandise at the Ubuntu shop? | 20:12 |
| katsrc | Kubuntu* | 20:12 |
| katja | Hi there, I'm new to (k)ubuntu (coming from openSUSE) and I've some questions ... | 20:23 |
| katja | Whenever I change my screen resolution it's resetet on the next boot, this is very unpleasent since it's something 2xxxX1538 (way to high for my 19" monitor) | 20:24 |
| maco | !resolution | 20:25 |
| ubottu | The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution | 20:25 |
| maco | see the bit on there about making it permanent in kdm | 20:25 |
| dell_ | hey guys | 20:25 |
| dell_ | need help with the bluetooth | 20:26 |
| katja | may I ask why is this? In openSUSE I changed it once and then it would stick, both use KDE ... | 20:26 |
| dell_ | the adapter is not found in 10.10 kubuntu my system is dell studio 1536 | 20:26 |
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| dell_ | hey guys http://pastie.org/1732323 | 20:34 |
| dell_ | i did lsusb and this is the result | 20:34 |
| dell_ | i have a finger print , usb tv box and a built in bluetooth | 20:35 |
| dell_ | all of them r shown in the 'lsusb' but none of them work ! | 20:35 |
| dell_ | *help* | 20:35 |
| genii-around | dell_: Looks like a known bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bluez/+bug/548720 | 20:38 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 548720 in bluez (Ubuntu) "BCM2046 Bluetooth not working" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 20:38 |
| dell_ | but my bluetooth worked fine with ubuntu 10.10 | 20:39 |
| dell_ | i just switched to kubuntu | 20:39 |
| dell_ | and now it aint | 20:39 |
| TheBuntu | weired ?.... My SD cards for the digital camera....2 cards....1 will work under windows and linux....and the other only on the windows pc....any ideas why | 20:39 |
| shane4ubuntu | can't umount my usb disk?? | 20:40 |
| shane4ubuntu | I have closed about every window I had open to remove any chance of something that was accessing it, and still it will not unmount? | 20:40 |
| shane4ubuntu | umount: /media/81b13ef5-b8d8-41ce-8db7-b7b8c9182e54: device is busy. <- busy what is it doing???? | 20:41 |
| James147 | shane4ubuntu: any terminals currently inside it? | 20:41 |
| shane4ubuntu | no, I closed all of them, done that a time or two before. :) | 20:42 |
| genii-around | dell_: On another site, a user says if in Windows the device was turned off, then the computer boots to linux, linux cannot turn the adapter back on. | 20:42 |
| dell_ | ahaaa | 20:42 |
| dell_ | leme try check it then | 20:43 |
| shane4ubuntu | so how can I tell what is accessing the disk? or what is using it? | 20:43 |
| dell_ | and how about the finger print reader and usb tv box | 20:43 |
| dell_ | u think it will work ? | 20:43 |
| Niko33433 | Vsem privet, u menya problema s x64 kubuntu | 20:44 |
| Pici | shane4ubuntu: lsof | grep /dev/devicename or lsof | grep /media/mountpoint | 20:45 |
| genii-around | dell_: I found for fingerprint readers most work OK | 20:45 |
| dell_ | so wat does it mean when the lsusb displays my devices | 20:46 |
| dell_ | the kernel recognizes them ? | 20:46 |
| dell_ | and that i just get a software for them ? | 20:46 |
| shane4ubuntu | Pici: thanks! I tried fuser -m /dev/sdc1 and got 16607c ?? | 20:46 |
| shane4ubuntu | lsof doesn't show anything with the grep devicename, let me try again | 20:47 |
| genii-around | dell_: lsusb just shows what the system can see is physically on there. Whether drivers exist is another matter. | 20:47 |
| shane4ubuntu | Pici: krusader was apparently hung up somewhere and was the culprit, thanks! | 20:48 |
| shane4ubuntu | timer? | 20:58 |
| shane4ubuntu | oops, is there a timer thing so I can set it for 30 min or something and an alarm sounds? | 20:58 |
| dell_ | ............... | 21:00 |
| PhilRod_ | shane4ubuntu: kteatime perhaps | 21:01 |
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| jstein | hi wie wird im Kubuntu die Konsolenschrift auf den alten Standard (grosse Zeichen) umgestellt? | 21:05 |
| genii-around | !de | jstein | 21:06 |
| ubottu | jstein: In den meisten ubuntu-Kanälen wird nur Englisch gesprochen. Für deutschsprachige Hilfe besuchen Sie bitte #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #edubuntu-de oder #ubuntu-at. Geben Sie einfach /join #ubuntu-de ein! Danke für Ihr Verständnis. | 21:06 |
| brambleclaw | hey i've been having java trouble. i have downloaded the JRE from kpackagekit but i can't run java programs like Runescape.com and other Jagex games. how do i fix the problem? | 21:10 |
| brambleclaw | need help with Java | 21:12 |
| genii-around | brambleclaw: in browser, does about:plugins show java browser plugin? | 21:14 |
| brambleclaw | let me check | 21:14 |
| shane4ubuntu | PhilRod_: kteatime, that is nice, | 21:16 |
| shane4ubuntu | thanks | 21:16 |
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| dell_ | is there a way to install the packages offered by fedora on kubuntu - e.g electronic lab or security lab ? | 21:30 |
| DarthFrog | Hi folks. I'm trying to install VMWare Workstation on Natty. But the building of the kernel modules fails and, as I'm not a programmer, I don't know how to get around it. The output is at http://paste.ubuntu.com/587030/ Is this easy to get around? Should I file a bug report? | 21:32 |
| DarthFrog | Oops, I thought I was on the #ubuntu+1 channel. My bad. :-) | 21:33 |
| brambleclaw | ok i was just on and was asking for help with java trouble and someone said to look in "about:plugins" i think. how do i do that? | 21:38 |
| genii-around | brambleclaw: In the URL window of your browser to put the URL of about:plugins | 21:39 |
| genii-around | It will say then what web browser plugins you have installed | 21:39 |
| jstein | hi, how can i reconfigure the tty font on kubuntu? Its quite small now and i want the plain oldstyle font. (25x80 char?) | 21:39 |
| brambleclaw | URL window? | 21:39 |
| brambleclaw | how do i get to the URL window? | 21:40 |
| asimm | hello? | 21:41 |
| jstein | asimm: hi you are on air ;-) | 21:42 |
| asimm | hello; Who are you | 21:42 |
| asimm | !op | 21:43 |
| ubottu | Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) Hobbsee, Tm_T, Nalioth, Riddell, seth, imbrandon, gnomefreak, nixternal, ryanakca, mneptok, PriceChild, tsimpson, jussi, Pici, ikonia, genii, Mamarok, claydoh, maco, apachelogger, seele, Nightrose, JontheEnchidna, rgreening, or txwikinger | 21:43 |
| asimm | oops | 21:43 |
| * apachelogger blinks | 21:43 | |
| genii-around | asimm: Please don't do that :) | 21:43 |
| brambleclaw | putting in about:plugins doesn't do anything | 21:45 |
| jstein | bye | 21:47 |
| brambleclaw | genii-around: it didn't do anything | 21:48 |
| genii-around | brambleclaw: Ideally something like this http://imagebin.org/145573 | 21:52 |
| brambleclaw | entering about:plugins does nothing | 21:53 |
| brambleclaw | which download should i get from kpackagekit for java? | 21:55 |
| genii-around | brambleclaw: icedtea6-plugin | 21:57 |
| brambleclaw | thanks | 21:57 |
| brambleclaw | that should fix my problems. thanks | 21:58 |
| genii-around | brambleclaw: You may also want to install kubuntu-restricted-extras package, this will give you the Flash plugin and some other assorted stuff | 22:00 |
| brambleclaw | cool thanks :) | 22:01 |
| naomi_ | genii. http://imagebin.org/145577 < does this mean i've blacklisted it? | 22:06 |
| genii-around | naomi_: It means in the list of drivers not to load, yes | 22:08 |
| naomi_ | okie thanks. | 22:08 |
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| Scunizi | I'm trying to add a catagory to a kmymoney transaction but after adding it won't highlight the "Accept" button to save the edit.. Any hints/tips? | 22:46 |
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| frank__ | hello | 23:12 |
| frank__ | anyone tried to use spotlite instead of the recently deceased FTD? | 23:14 |
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| shane4ubuntu | digikam question, I tried to export to gallery2, doesn't work all google comes up with is like 5 year old info. | 23:30 |
| shane4ubuntu | any ideas? | 23:30 |
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| shane4ubuntu | no news on digikam and gallery2? I was just trying it to see if it worked, thought it would be very handy | 23:44 |
| Mase_wk | shane4ubuntu: probably better to speak to someone in the digikam project | 23:48 |
| shane4ubuntu | Mase_wk: where do I find them? I tried in #kde so far to no avail, no response. | 23:49 |
| Mase_wk | i imagine they have details on the project website. | 23:49 |
| shane4ubuntu | there is a digikam room! :) I'll check there, thanks. | 23:49 |
| shane4ubuntu | Mase_wk: lol, I checked the Help -> about Digikam in digikam, and it gives me the irc room in there too! I was only guessing when I tried their room. | 23:51 |
| Mase_wk | ok | 23:52 |
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