| michaelh1 | Ah, that fixes it. | 00:02 |
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| * michaelh1 tries 768M... | 00:02 | |
| rsalveti | michaelh1: hm, what x-loader and u-boot were you using before? | 00:04 |
| michaelh1 | 2010.11? | 00:04 |
| michaelh1 | u-boot now claims 1 GB of memory | 00:04 |
| TheUni | rsalveti: are you still around? | 00:05 |
| rsalveti | TheUni: hey, yes | 00:05 |
| TheUni | rsalveti: great | 00:05 |
| TheUni | rsalveti: one of our devs has done some mangling of the packages, i'd like to ask you a few questions if you don't mind | 00:05 |
| rsalveti | TheUni: sure | 00:05 |
| TheUni | rsalveti: basically, we have lots of packages. we would much prefer to condense them down into something like xbmc and xbmc-data... | 00:06 |
| TheUni | but i'm not sure what policy dictates | 00:06 |
| rsalveti | TheUni: what are the packages you currently have? | 00:06 |
| rsalveti | and what are they for? | 00:06 |
| TheUni | for example, we have some event-clients. each client is a separate binary. for ex, a bin for a ps3 remote control. | 00:06 |
| TheUni | in the past, we've split these out into one package per binary. so xbmc-eventclients-ps3, xbmc-eventclients-java, etc | 00:07 |
| TheUni | we would much prefer to just install all of these along with xbmc. but not if it would be denied by ubuntu policy | 00:07 |
| rsalveti | TheUni: well, actually there's nothing wrong for having one major package for it, the only issue is that to use one of them you'll bring all dependencies | 00:08 |
| TheUni | rsalveti: well in this case, you can't use the clients without xbmc anyway. so it's kinda moot. | 00:09 |
| rsalveti | I mean, for eventclients-java for example, java is probably necessary | 00:09 |
| rsalveti | if java is already a dependency for xbmc, then makes no much sense | 00:09 |
| TheUni | oh, i see | 00:09 |
| TheUni | yea, understood. | 00:10 |
| TheUni | but it was my understanding (please correct me if i'm wrong) that in general, the debian policy is to split packages for each functional binary. | 00:10 |
| rsalveti | package split makes more sense in the dependency level than just functionality speaking | 00:10 |
| TheUni | yes, in that example, it would make sense. | 00:10 |
| rsalveti | in the best case yes, but if you're creating tons of packages with just small binaries, you could just create one major one | 00:11 |
| rsalveti | if the dependencies are quite all the same | 00:11 |
| TheUni | ok | 00:11 |
| TheUni | yep, makes perfect sense. I'll have a look at the binaries and see. we'll construct packages based on that and no extras and see how things look | 00:12 |
| TheUni | *have a look at the deps | 00:12 |
| rsalveti | cool | 00:12 |
| rsalveti | TheUni: do you have any other updates regarding the gles support on xbmc? | 00:13 |
| TheUni | rsalveti: gles is fully supported. still just a matter of getting it packaged | 00:13 |
| rsalveti | I remember topfs2 had something working, but unfortunately still didn't check | 00:13 |
| rsalveti | TheUni: oh, that's nice, good to know | 00:13 |
| rsalveti | TheUni: already at trunk? | 00:14 |
| TheUni | rsalveti: yep. it's used on the ipad port. | 00:14 |
| rsalveti | awesome, natty is finally working with gles and 2.6.38, should be able to try it once I get some free time | 00:15 |
| TheUni | great | 00:15 |
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| Amaranth | dang, the HDMI KVM switch I got doesn't seem to forward EDID info | 00:39 |
| GrueMaster | Amaranth: I have the same problem with my 5 port HDMI switch. Have to make sure the switch is on the system I need before waking up the system. | 00:46 |
| michaelh1 | rsalveti: the code in id.c in linux-linaro-2.6.28 is correct both re: OMAP4 die ID and how to set a MAC address. | 00:46 |
| Amaranth | ah, right | 00:46 |
| Amaranth | I hope the autoswitch thing on this doesn't try to outsmart me | 00:52 |
| Amaranth | dang, it does | 00:54 |
| Amaranth | at least moving my rootfs to a usb stick worked correctly, my read speeds are now 11.9MB/s average according to palimpest instead of 1MB/s or whatever the SD card gives | 01:08 |
| Amaranth | hrm, E-EDID checksum failed | 01:47 |
| Amaranth | easily solution for that, I put other devices on the HDMI KVM so the panda can get its own direct connection | 02:18 |
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| rbelem | rsalveti, ping | 03:48 |
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| ogra_ | wohoo, karmic EOL ! | 10:42 |
| hrw | so no more support for armv6 even | 10:44 |
| ogra_ | yeah, finally | 10:44 |
| lilstevie | :o | 10:44 |
| * ogra_ likes to have a clear set of supported bits | 10:44 | |
| lilstevie | heh | 10:45 |
| Lopi | it's a sad day ;( | 11:01 |
| ogra_ | ?? | 11:02 |
| Lopi | karmic EOL | 11:02 |
| Lopi | I have an armv6 device ;p | 11:02 |
| hrw | Lopi: use debian then | 11:02 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 11:02 |
| ogra_ | use debian for evverything thats not v7 | 11:03 |
| ppisati | ogra_: do we have the datasheet for omap4&c? | 11:05 |
| ogra_ | ppisati, i dont think we have the full one, what bits do you need, ndec should be able to get you access | 11:07 |
| ogra_ | btw, ndec did you meet ppisati already ? he is our new arm kernel guy | 11:07 |
| lool | Lopi: Note that karmic was only support for 18 months on ARM anyway :-) | 11:09 |
| lilstevie | I'm glad that I updated from a v6 device to the hummingbird | 11:09 |
| ppisati | ogra_: well, from time to time i would find it handy to have a reference with regs, bits, etcetc | 11:48 |
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| sebjan | ppisati: public TI omap4 specs are available here: http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbudocumentcenter.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12037 - see in section "Technical Documents" | 12:28 |
| sebjan | ppisati: the TRM probably contains most of the info you are looking for | 12:28 |
| ppisati | sebjan: cool, thanks | 12:37 |
| sebjan | np | 12:37 |
| ndec | ogra_: hi. no haven't met ppisati | 13:40 |
| ndec | ppisati: hi! | 13:40 |
| ppisati | ndec: hi! :) | 13:50 |
| ndec | ppisati: nice to meet you ;-) | 13:53 |
| ndec | ppisati: have you discussed with sebjan, he is the kernel guy on our end | 14:03 |
| ppisati | ndec: nope, just got in touch with him | 14:07 |
| ppisati | ndec: so, you and sebjan are from... Linaro? TI? | 14:08 |
| ndec | ppisati: TI, both. | 14:08 |
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| GrueMaster | ogra_: It looks like the images are being rebuilt. Can you make sure headless is added to the rebuild mix? | 16:27 |
| ogra_ | asked cjwatson | 16:29 |
| ogra_ | but i think he works down the crontab entries anyway | 16:29 |
| GrueMaster | ok | 16:43 |
| GrueMaster | ogra_: Does/will the headless image autodetect between serial console and kvm? | 16:44 |
| ogra_ | no | 16:44 |
| GrueMaster | Serial only? Ok. | 16:44 |
| ogra_ | i was wondering if we should add a boot-no-serial.scr by default that you can copy over boot.scr | 16:44 |
| ogra_ | to make switching back and forth easy | 16:44 |
| * ogra_ finds the need for mkimage pretty annoyong | 16:45 | |
| ogra_ | (or so ... cant type today) | 16:45 |
| GrueMaster | Not a bad idea. Would need to add a default environment to uboot so the user can just run it. | 16:45 |
| ogra_ | rsalveti, thanks for confirming the cpuinfo stuff | 16:49 |
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| rsalveti | ogra_: np | 16:56 |
| GrueMaster | ogra_: What was the environment setting used before launching minicom? TERM=vt100? | 16:59 |
| ogra_ | GrueMaster, i would really recommend screen | 16:59 |
| ogra_ | screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200 | 16:59 |
| GrueMaster | I know, just adding a warning to the wiki for minicom purists. | 17:00 |
| ogra_ | to exit it ctrl+a+k | 17:00 |
| ogra_ | vt100 or vt102 or posix will work | 17:00 |
| GrueMaster | I'm using byobu and finding it works rather well. | 17:00 |
| ogra_ | ah, never used byobu | 17:00 |
| GrueMaster | It is a window manager for screen. Quite handy. | 17:02 |
| ogra_ | i know what it is, i just never used it | 17:02 |
| ogra_ | as i dont use tabbed terminal windows | 17:02 |
| ogra_ | but i know they exist ;) | 17:02 |
| GrueMaster | Check http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/ARM/Headless and see what you think. | 17:05 |
| ogra_ | GrueMaster, thats not what i meant :) | 17:10 |
| GrueMaster | ?? | 17:10 |
| GrueMaster | What did I miss? | 17:10 |
| ogra_ | after zcat'ing your SD card, plug it out and in again and copy boot-no-serial.scr over the boot.scr file | 17:10 |
| ogra_ | thats rather what i meant | 17:11 |
| ogra_ | (but we dont have that file atm, thats post beta stuff) | 17:11 |
| GrueMaster | That only works if you have a linux host system. My method will work regardless of host os. | 17:12 |
| ogra_ | its vfat ;) | 17:12 |
| GrueMaster | (granted, Ubuntu Linux is preferred). | 17:12 |
| ogra_ | will work on every system | 17:12 |
| ogra_ | the idea behind having that file was exactly that you dont have to type any commands like mkimage or even something at the u-boot prompt | 17:15 |
| ogra_ | i.e. that if you want a minimal system with framebuffer you dont need to have serial at all | 17:15 |
| ogra_ | GrueMaster, but anyway, we dont have that file yet, remove these lines | 17:17 |
| GrueMaster | done | 17:17 |
| ogra_ | and can we put healessInstall in the right namespace please | 17:18 |
| GrueMaster | So, why were the images rebuilt? | 17:18 |
| GrueMaster | ? | 17:18 |
| ogra_ | oem-config changes | 17:18 |
| GrueMaster | ok | 17:19 |
| GrueMaster | ??? re: <ogra_> and can we put healessInstall in the right namespace please | 17:19 |
| ogra_ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAPMaverickInstall is the page we use for the netbook images ... we will have OMAPNattyInstall for natty (linked from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP) | 17:19 |
| ogra_ | sorry, took a min to collect the existing links | 17:20 |
| GrueMaster | Why? The procedure has not changed between Maverick & Natty. | 17:20 |
| ogra_ | errata have and it might change in O | 17:20 |
| GrueMaster | And I would assume the Headless image install won't change over time. | 17:20 |
| ogra_ | in any case you should (like all the download pages) just link to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP | 17:20 |
| ogra_ | and link the headless install from there | 17:21 |
| ogra_ | while i think you could drop the release name you need to have the subarch name in the namespace | 17:21 |
| ogra_ | we will likely produce mx51 images for the community that will work different (due to HW differences) | 17:22 |
| ogra_ | and if we get dove back we will have another way of using it | 17:22 |
| GrueMaster | I honestly didn't know https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP existed. I was going off of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAPMaverickInstall as that was all you gave me in the past. | 17:23 |
| ogra_ | OMAP is linked from each and every dowbnload page we have | 17:23 |
| GrueMaster | Will make changes. | 17:23 |
| ogra_ | thanks :) | 17:23 |
| ogra_ | we should possibly discuss the concept at UDS over a beer or so if you feel like | 17:23 |
| ogra_ | in the past the install methid changed with every release we had ArchReleasenameBoard for all past images | 17:24 |
| ogra_ | i agree that if the install procedure doesnt change we should probably change that | 17:24 |
| ogra_ | with preinstalled everything got easier ;) | 17:25 |
| GrueMaster | Will https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAPNattyHeadlessInstall work? Maybe we should use more subdirectories in the tree, like <ARCH>/<Release>/<Image> | 17:28 |
| GrueMaster | Or <ARCH>/<Platform>/<Release>/<Image> | 17:28 |
| ogra_ | that would work, though after your comment above i wonder if we actually should have the release name in it | 17:28 |
| ogra_ | OMAPHeadlessInstall seems sufficient | 17:29 |
| GrueMaster | So <ARCH>/<Platform>/<Image> | 17:29 |
| ogra_ | where is persia if you need him :P | 17:29 |
| GrueMaster | I would prefer to have some subdirectory structure for readability. | 17:29 |
| ogra_ | he surely has pros and cons for exactly that ;) | 17:29 |
| ogra_ | somewhere to copy/paste them | 17:29 |
| GrueMaster | I.e. Arm/Omap/HeadlessInstall | 17:30 |
| GrueMaster | We can fix this later before release. | 17:30 |
| ogra_ | well, do as you like but keep them consistent | 17:30 |
| GrueMaster | Ok. I'll add a task to confer with the grand master and come up with a standard. :P | 17:31 |
| ogra_ | heh | 17:31 |
| GrueMaster | ogra_: Ok, made some changes to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP for headless. Also minor reformatting overall. Check it over and give me some feedback. | 17:56 |
| ogra_ | looks ok for now | 17:57 |
| ogra_ | "No keybourd" | 17:57 |
| ogra_ | :) | 17:58 |
| * ogra_ perfers keybelts to bourds :P | 17:58 | |
| ogra_ | GrueMaster, "that can be configured and controlled via serial console", probably "have to be..." since we dont offer any other way yet ? | 18:00 |
| GrueMaster | I think I would rather leave it and add the feature post beta. It will only take 5-10 minutes to add the feature, less time than rewording the instructions, then reverting back. | 18:02 |
| ogra_ | k | 18:02 |
| ogra_ | no objections | 18:02 |
| ogra_ | well, looks ok to me | 18:02 |
| GrueMaster | And even if the system is currently configured only via serial, it will still support keybord, mouse, and monitor post-install. | 18:03 |
| ogra_ | sure | 18:03 |
| ogra_ | and you still can edit boot.scr, its just more effort | 18:03 |
| ogra_ | GrueMaster, can you please default to the zcat method on the headless page (so we have consistency and dont waste gigs of space on users disks) | 18:20 |
| GrueMaster | No. I have had too many issues with that method, as it doesn't allow for buffered writes on SD compatible boundaries. | 18:21 |
| ogra_ | and we should also add the screen line to use (and how to get out of screen again afterwards) oem-config in minicom looks really shitty | 18:21 |
| ogra_ | sorry, but i dont get what issues you have still | 18:21 |
| GrueMaster | I would prefer to have a more stable method. | 18:21 |
| ogra_ | and nobody has proven that there are actual issues | 18:21 |
| GrueMaster | I have had these issues on all but two of my SD cards. | 18:22 |
| ogra_ | i have exactly met one person here that in the end admitted that he wasnt sure it was the issue | 18:22 |
| ogra_ | please make dd optional | 18:22 |
| ogra_ | feel free to blame me if someone comes around who actually has issues with it | 18:24 |
| ogra_ | i really dont want to add 10min of uncompressing and 2G of wasted diskspace to the process | 18:24 |
| GrueMaster | I'll experiment with a zcat|dd pipe. I would rather have the best experience overall. | 18:26 |
| ogra_ | thats what just struck me as well | 18:27 |
| ogra_ | why not just pipe them together | 18:27 |
| GrueMaster | Might even recommend a simple tool to flash the sd card with. | 18:27 |
| ogra_ | if i get to it before release i'll add a pipe to usb-imagewriter | 18:27 |
| * ogra_ has that long on his list but with low prio | 18:27 | |
| GrueMaster | Ugh. | 18:27 |
| ogra_ | ?? | 18:28 |
| GrueMaster | I don't like that utility much personally. | 18:28 |
| ogra_ | you also know how to use dd :) | 18:28 |
| ogra_ | gunzip ubuntu-netbook-10.10-preinstalled-netbook-armel+<omap image>.img.gz| sudo dd bs=4M of=/dev/<device name> | 18:29 |
| ogra_ | that line might work | 18:29 |
| GrueMaster | Actually, I have a script I use now. Saves having to type all the dd crap. | 18:29 |
| ogra_ | oh, another typo ... | 18:29 |
| ogra_ | 11.04, not 10.10 in the image name ;) | 18:30 |
| ogra_ | GrueMaster, actually the above command looks better than the zcat variant, i have supported plenty of people that messed up the single quotes from the sh -c | 18:32 |
| GrueMaster | There. Fixed the wiki. | 18:33 |
| ogra_ | the note ablow should be bigger and bold | 18:34 |
| GrueMaster | Picky picky. | 18:34 |
| ogra_ | and there should be a note somewhere that you should really really write to the raw device and not a partition | 18:34 |
| ogra_ | thats the most common failure i have seen yet | 18:34 |
| ogra_ | ah, we have it in MaverickInstall | 18:35 |
| GrueMaster | See how this looks. I added bold to the note to make it stand out without getting larger, and added the raw device info. | 18:39 |
| ogra_ | yeah, better | 18:40 |
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| GrueMaster | ogra_: Ok, reformatted the minicom section and added screen | 18:53 |
| rbelem | rsalveti, ping | 18:53 |
| ogra_ | GrueMaster, looks cool ! | 18:55 |
| * GrueMaster twiddles thumbs while waiting for new image builds to post. | 19:21 | |
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| micahg | what do I need to test an armel image on an imx51? | 20:44 |
| ScottK | First you'd need us to have such an image. | 20:45 |
| micahg | ScottK: I signed up to test xubuntu on arm | 20:47 |
| ScottK | AFAIK no mx.51 images exist at the moment. ogra_ and I are going to work on it next week. | 20:48 |
| micahg | oh, hmm | 20:48 |
| ScottK | You'd need to have some mx.51/53 device. | 20:48 |
| micahg | ScottK: ok, so I guess I'm off the hook for that testing | 20:50 |
| micahg | at least until beta 2 | 20:50 |
| ScottK | Hopefully we get it sorted before the. | 20:50 |
| ScottK | n | 20:50 |
| ScottK | micahg: What device do you have for testing? | 20:50 |
| micahg | ScottK: I have an efika mx | 20:53 |
| ScottK | micahg: smarttop or smartbook? | 20:53 |
| * ScottK has smarttop. | 20:53 | |
| micahg | ScottK: I have both actually | 20:54 |
| ScottK | Ah. Cool. | 20:54 |
| micahg | but I have no idea how to test an ISO on either | 20:54 |
| ScottK | The reports I've heard is that the linaro kernel we have works OK with smarttop, not so much with smartbook, but maybe you can test. | 20:54 |
| ScottK | All work for next week. | 20:55 |
| micahg | yeah, I'll have to find my restore SD card before I start trying that | 20:55 |
| * stgraber finally received his pandaboard ! | 21:49 | |
| stgraber | I now have more ARM boards and devices than x86 (2x beagle + 1x panda + 1x smarttop + 1x n900) | 21:49 |
| GrueMaster | Is that all? :P | 21:50 |
| * GrueMaster has lots of dev systems, but no toys (i.e. smarttop/smartbook, n900, etc). | 21:52 | |
| stgraber | I like toys, especially useful toys like the n900 :) | 21:52 |
| GrueMaster | Closest I have to a toy is my Droid 2 global, but I don't want to hack it. | 21:52 |
| rbelem | GrueMaster, ping | 22:34 |
| GrueMaster | rbelem: pong | 22:46 |
| rbelem | GrueMaster, i need your help :-) | 23:00 |
| GrueMaster | ok. What can I do for you? | 23:00 |
| rbelem | GrueMaster, do you have some free time to test kubuntu-mobile omap4 images? | 23:00 |
| GrueMaster | Release testing? Sure, after I do the normal images. | 23:01 |
| GrueMaster | Shouldn't be too difficult to get them tested. I have the hardware. | 23:01 |
| rbelem | GrueMaster, yup | 23:03 |
| rbelem | GrueMaster, thank you very much :-) | 23:03 |
| GrueMaster | Not a problem. (personally I am a closet fan of KDE) :P | 23:03 |
| rbelem | :-D | 23:04 |
| * rbelem hugs GrueMaster | 23:04 | |
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