rcconf | and | 00:00 |
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rcconf | sudo service networking start | 00:00 |
sealance | on network manager it says job is already running | 00:01 |
rcconf | and networking? | 00:01 |
rcconf | is it running? | 00:01 |
sealance | networking stop/waining | 00:01 |
sealance | waiting* | 00:01 |
rcconf | sealance: sudo service networking restart | 00:02 |
rcconf | then type ifconfig -a to list devices | 00:02 |
sealance | restart unknown instance | 00:02 |
rcconf | hm o,o | 00:02 |
rcconf | try again | 00:02 |
sealance | restart: Unknown Instance: | 00:03 |
rcconf | sealance: with sudo? | 00:03 |
rcconf | sealance: take a look http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1489373 | 00:03 |
sealance | yup, sudo | 00:04 |
sealance | ecconf: i need a chkconfig package? | 00:05 |
sealance | rcconf: i need a chkconfig package? * | 00:05 |
rcconf | let me read | 00:06 |
rcconf | oh | 00:06 |
rcconf | wait | 00:06 |
rcconf | sealance: you need to sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart | 00:06 |
rcconf | :) | 00:06 |
rcconf | it doesnt work with sudo service. | 00:06 |
sealance | ok hold on, let me type out a summary of what just happened | 00:07 |
sealance | reconfiguring network interfaces... | 00:07 |
rcconf | yes | 00:07 |
sealance | there is already a pid file | 00:07 |
rcconf | now type ifconfig -a | 00:07 |
rcconf | and paste the output in pastebin.com | 00:07 |
sealance | ok, pastebin.com? | 00:08 |
sealance | ok, hold on, I'll need to get a pendrive to copy it | 00:08 |
rcconf | oh ye:P | 00:09 |
rcconf | sealance: I've never used nwsdiswrapper so i cant help you much on that :( | 00:09 |
sealance | ok 1 sec | 00:14 |
sealance | let me explain what just happened | 00:14 |
sealance | i have this prblem with usbs, i reboot and they worked, so i rebooted, and checked the wireless icon too | 00:14 |
sealance | now i pick up all wireless signals | 00:14 |
sealance | :D | 00:15 |
sealance | just connected to my wireless one | 00:15 |
sealance | and it works :P | 00:15 |
sealance | rcconf, availleux, you guys are great, thank you so much for your time | 00:15 |
rcconf | :p | 00:16 |
rcconf | let me read | 00:16 |
rcconf | sealance: with ndiswrapper? | 00:16 |
sealance | yeah | 00:16 |
rcconf | sealance: default driver didnt work? | 00:17 |
rcconf | ubuntu one | 00:17 |
sealance | with availleux we fixed the ndiswrapper, and with you the network manager | 00:17 |
sealance | no, didnt work | 00:17 |
rcconf | sealance: ok one advice | 00:17 |
sealance | yeah | 00:17 |
rcconf | save all this chat or just the important stuff | 00:17 |
rcconf | for future reference | 00:17 |
rcconf | ;) | 00:17 |
sealance | ok no problem | 00:17 |
aveilleux | sealance: aveilleux* | 00:18 |
rcconf | :P | 00:18 |
rcconf | sealance: when you want to write a nickname write the first letter and hit TAB | 00:19 |
rcconf | letters* | 00:19 |
aveilleux | sealance: Or first few | 00:19 |
sealance | aveilleux: thanks, willdo :P | 00:19 |
sealance | ok, well thank you all, i'm gunna leave | 00:19 |
rcconf | bye sealance | 00:20 |
rcconf | have fun | 00:20 |
sealance | bye! hah willdo! :P | 00:20 |
LukasB | Hi, can anybody please recommend a photo editor for ubuntu? | 00:25 |
rcconf | gimp | 00:26 |
LukasB | Its mainly about resizing... | 00:26 |
rcconf | crop and resize? | 00:26 |
rcconf | try Viewnior | 00:26 |
LukasB | yeah... things like that | 00:26 |
rcconf | but simple program right | 00:26 |
rcconf | (i hate gimp for that) | 00:26 |
rcconf | viewnior doesnt resize :( | 00:27 |
LukasB | hmm... I had gimp on windows... I try Viewnior... oh okay >D | 00:27 |
LukasB | :D | 00:27 |
rcconf | just cropt | 00:27 |
rcconf | LukasB: did u try default image viewer in ubuntu? | 00:27 |
rcconf | forget. it sucks | 00:28 |
LukasB | SO it would be sudo apt-get install Viewnior? | 00:28 |
rcconf | for editing* | 00:28 |
rcconf | LukasB: no, you would need to add a PPA to the repositories | 00:28 |
LukasB | Yes I tried... | 00:28 |
LukasB | Oh... What is PPA? | 00:28 |
rcconf | what about | 00:28 |
rcconf | shotwell photo manager? | 00:28 |
rcconf | is inapplications > graphics > | 00:29 |
LukasB | Yes shotwell photo viewer and shotwell photo manager... no use for that... | 00:29 |
rcconf | damn | 00:29 |
rcconf | LukasB: open up software center | 00:29 |
rcconf | search for image editor | 00:29 |
rcconf | LukasB: i found this http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/09/17/nautilus-image-converter-quickly-resize-or-rotate-images-within-nautilus/ | 00:30 |
rcconf | might be insteresting | 00:30 |
rcconf | gonna try myself | 00:30 |
rcconf | thereis a lot of apps in software center | 00:32 |
LukasB | k I am right behind you... my mashine is quite slow so give me some time... xD | 00:33 |
rcconf | x) | 00:34 |
rcconf | LukasB: in software center go to graphics section | 00:35 |
rcconf | painting and editing | 00:35 |
LukasB | Yes I can imagine... :) I am launching my software center and open office drawing at the same time and my computer is on its knees... :D | 00:36 |
LukasB | I think I give OpenOffice a try... | 00:38 |
LukasB | No need to install anything... | 00:38 |
rcconf | just give Ubuntu a try in general | 00:39 |
LukasB | Try that first, than look for alternatives if necessary | 00:39 |
rcconf | if you dont need windows apps | 00:39 |
LukasB | What do you mean, give ubuntu a try? The included software? | 00:39 |
rcconf | you can also use some in ubuntu using Wine | 00:39 |
rcconf | LukasB: the operating system in general | 00:40 |
rcconf | is better. software is different. but in the end it's better than windows in many aspects :) | 00:40 |
LukasB | Oh yes I do... thats why I am in this channel... :) | 00:40 |
rcconf | bbl | 00:40 |
LukasB | But istalling firefox 4.0 yesterday was a bit of a mission :D little bit different to windwos | 00:41 |
LukasB | To be honest, I didn't discover a big technical advantage yet... Although there a few very nice functions and it is for free. But the best is the great support!!! | 00:42 |
LukasB | rcconf: Okay, thank you! I am back later, too | 00:45 |
johnny77 | LukasB: If you are still here, try www.picnik.com It is an online picture editor. | 00:49 |
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LukasB | johnny77: Thank you! | 01:20 |
johnny77 | LukasB: No Problem. I use it for all my photo editing, but all I ever need is just the basics. | 01:22 |
_spacer_ | hey ho | 01:26 |
_spacer_ | ubuntu server for internet share. is this a good idea? | 01:27 |
_spacer_ | i have really really crappy internet. 4 laptops, one pc for server, one for desktop, and two (maybe three) xboxes | 01:29 |
holstein | _spacer_: anything with SSH will be nice and secure | 01:29 |
_spacer_ | and reliable? | 01:30 |
holstein | seems like you are talking about locally | 01:30 |
holstein | i mean, theres not really a server thats going to make your internet more reliable | 01:31 |
holstein | ubuntu is just awsome, not magical | 01:31 |
_spacer_ | well i realize that. but i mean in terms of the server sharing reliably. | 01:32 |
holstein | its linux | 01:32 |
holstein | it'll share whatever you want | 01:32 |
holstein | however you want it | 01:32 |
holstein | _spacer_: have you checked out something like dropbox? | 01:33 |
_spacer_ | i need to be able to get controll of the internet coming and going out of my household. | 01:33 |
holstein | http://holstein.shacknet.nu/dropbox/ | 01:33 |
holstein | _spacer_: maybe a router? | 01:33 |
_spacer_ | for example i would like to be able to shut down specific ips | 01:33 |
holstein | some kind of gateway | 01:33 |
holstein | i like ddwrt | 01:33 |
_spacer_ | and possibly controll the bandwidth aswell. one of my sons likes to download 12 youtube vids at the same time | 01:34 |
_spacer_ | well my other son wants to play xbox | 01:34 |
holstein | yeah, i would look at a gateway | 01:35 |
holstein | you can do that with ubuntu though i suppose | 01:35 |
_spacer_ | from time to time i am required to send largefile via email for work | 01:35 |
holstein | _spacer_: ubuntuserver = ubuntu | 01:35 |
holstein | you can install the normal ubuntu desktop | 01:35 |
holstein | and run whatever from the server install you want | 01:36 |
holstein | _spacer_: something like dropbox would just be running in the background | 01:36 |
holstein | and sync as needed | 01:36 |
holstein | til its sync'd | 01:36 |
_spacer_ | i would like to run abox headless out of of my closet | 01:36 |
holstein | sure | 01:36 |
holstein | mine is in the crawl-space :) | 01:37 |
_spacer_ | ok here then. is this possible... | 01:37 |
holstein | its linux | 01:37 |
holstein | and open-source | 01:37 |
holstein | its all possible | 01:38 |
holstein | do you want to set it up, is the question | 01:38 |
_spacer_ | i have my crappy rural internet run through my closet box. i have two network cards installed in that box | 01:38 |
holstein | cool | 01:38 |
holstein | whats running on there? | 01:38 |
_spacer_ | out from there into my router wrt120 linksys | 01:38 |
holstein | well, thats 2 points for network adminstration like you are looking for | 01:39 |
holstein | with linux on the box as a firewall/gateway | 01:39 |
_spacer_ | right now 10.10, but i think i am gonna burn it down and start fresh...i think i screwed somehting up there | 01:39 |
holstein | OR ddwrt on the router | 01:39 |
holstein | ddwrt is easier in my opinion | 01:39 |
holstein | and you already have the hardware | 01:40 |
holstein | so why not?, right | 01:40 |
_spacer_ | will the ddwrt work on my router? | 01:41 |
holstein | hmmm, acutally, i dont think it is supported | 01:42 |
_spacer_ | brb | 01:42 |
holstein | http://www.dd-wrt.com/site/support/router-database | 01:42 |
holstein | a supported one is like 15 bucks though | 01:42 |
holstein | at the charity shop | 01:42 |
_spacer_ | i didn't think so | 01:44 |
holstein | yeah? | 01:45 |
holstein | most are | 01:45 |
holstein | i have the 150 | 01:45 |
_spacer_ | so how about running thru the server | 01:45 |
holstein | and a bunch of wrt54g's | 01:45 |
holstein | _spacer_: sure | 01:45 |
holstein | you'll want some kind of router/gateway | 01:45 |
_spacer_ | yeah i have crap luck with routers | 01:45 |
holstein | and you can use the router you have like a switch | 01:46 |
_spacer_ | unhappy child, brb again | 01:46 |
_spacer_ | is it difficult to configure ubuntu to share internet? | 01:51 |
holstein | _spacer_: i would say do-able | 01:52 |
holstein | ive only done it with the GUI | 01:53 |
holstein | but, i know its possible | 01:53 |
_spacer_ | ok how difficult would it be to configure the server from a seperate box running the GUI? | 01:53 |
holstein | i wouldnt let the GUI be a concern | 01:54 |
holstein | if it is | 01:54 |
holstein | just install the normal ubuntu | 01:54 |
holstein | and VNC into it | 01:54 |
holstein | you can run that headless | 01:54 |
holstein | and SSH into it too like you would a server | 01:54 |
holstein | *a typical server | 01:54 |
_spacer_ | i tried that to no avail (vnc headless) | 01:54 |
holstein | yeah? | 01:54 |
holstein | thats one of those things that 'just works' | 01:55 |
holstein | the server is integrated into the desktop | 01:55 |
holstein | so, you just turn it on | 01:55 |
_spacer_ | what version did you set that up on? | 01:55 |
holstein | version of ubuntu? | 01:55 |
_spacer_ | yes | 01:55 |
holstein | 8.04 - now | 01:56 |
_spacer_ | yeah, i think there is some difficulty setting that up on 10.10 for some reason. | 01:56 |
holstein | worked for me | 01:56 |
holstein | _spacer_: try different clients | 01:56 |
_spacer_ | cool | 01:57 |
holstein | also, try 10.04 | 01:57 |
holstein | its the LTS release | 01:57 |
holstein | thats what is, and will be on my server | 01:57 |
holstein | and production machines | 01:57 |
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_spacer_ | 10.4 is better than 10.10? | 01:57 |
holstein | no | 01:57 |
holstein | its just the LTS (long term support) | 01:57 |
holstein | usually considered more stable | 01:58 |
_spacer_ | i see | 01:58 |
holstein | or boring, depending on how you look at it ;) | 01:58 |
holstein | you can do it all with 10.10 though | 01:58 |
holstein | if you really like it | 01:58 |
_spacer_ | stable is def.more exciting to me, as it allows me to do otherbthings | 01:58 |
holstein | but, right now, you might as well do 11.04 | 01:58 |
holstein | thats pretty stable, and almost final | 01:59 |
_spacer_ | i have the image for 10.10, and i may have mentioned my internet is pretty lame | 01:59 |
holstein | dont worry too much then | 02:00 |
_spacer_ | any how, can you point me at a doc or something for this project? i'm so newb i'm not really sure what to look for? | 02:00 |
holstein | http://askubuntu.com/questions/15591/resources-for-making-an-ubuntu-based-router | 02:02 |
holstein | ^ seems relavant | 02:02 |
holstein | thats the easy GUI way that i have tried | 02:02 |
_spacer_ | ok thanks...gonna have a read. | 02:04 |
_spacer_ | hey is firestarter still relevant? | 02:04 |
charlie-tca | yes | 02:05 |
_spacer_ | cool thx | 02:06 |
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T_N_T | Hello I have an Acer Aspire One AOD250-1151 and just installed 10.10 and the wireless card is not working "device not ready(firmware missing)" what do I need to do/can I download the drivers somewhere/how do I install them? | 02:50 |
T_N_T | I have looked for help on the forums, but can't find my specific problem, there is a message in boot that tells me where to download but can't see it goes too fast | 02:56 |
aveilleux | T_N_T: Have you tried doing dmesg |tail ? | 02:58 |
T_N_T | in terminal? | 02:58 |
T_N_T | "skipping edid probe due to cached edid" + ext4-fs (loop0): re-mounted. Opts: errors:remount-ro,commit=0 | 03:01 |
T_N_T | aveilleux , what does all that mean? | 03:05 |
aveilleux | hm | 03:07 |
aveilleux | T_N_T: I'll admit, I'm not good with filesystem problems | 03:07 |
T_N_T | thats a filesystem problem? how does that affect why the wireless card won't work? | 03:08 |
aveilleux | T_N_T: That error is filesystem-related. You said you're having wireless card problems? | 03:09 |
T_N_T | yes | 03:10 |
T_N_T | aod 250-1151 "device not ready, firmware missing" | 03:10 |
T_N_T | it gave me some message where to download the driver at boot, but it goes too quick to see it | 03:11 |
aveilleux | T_N_T: You can always do dmesg |more if you feel like scrolling through all the logs | 03:12 |
T_N_T | ok\ thx | 03:12 |
T_N_T | on my other notebook no issues, but this one has been frustrating, I do love Ubuntu though | 03:13 |
T_N_T | very clean OS | 03:13 |
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T_N_T | there are a huge amount of messages to look through | 03:17 |
T_N_T | just found the message I need | 03:18 |
T_N_T | aveilleux thanks for your help | 03:23 |
aveilleux | T_N_T: No problem | 03:26 |
DrHurt2011_ | So if I don't have ubuntu or wubi in my add/remove programs list, and no ubuntu or wubi directory in my C drive, and there are unknown partitions in my Computer Management, then I've done something horribly wrong if I want to uninstall ubuntu, no?? | 03:46 |
LukasB | Why have you done something wrong? Seems like its all removed... | 03:52 |
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rcconf | I have an issue: I added Ubuntu Dev Audio PPA and upgraded the audio packages. Then I purged the PPA... And now I have obsolete packages. How can I rollback to the previous version of pulseaudio etc? | 04:25 |
arbius | getting login screen on liveCD. is ther a default login/password? i tried ubuntu and blank. | 04:26 |
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rcconf | arbius: try ubuntu ubuntu | 04:27 |
rcconf | or blank blank | 04:27 |
arbius | ok , will try | 04:27 |
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rcconf | downgrade packages synaptic? | 05:04 |
rcconf | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. | 05:05 |
rcconf | why? | 05:05 |
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rcconf | help with pulseaudio pls | 06:12 |
aztek | what wrong with your audio? | 06:13 |
rcconf | packages | 06:14 |
rcconf | I added PPA dev | 06:14 |
rcconf | upgraded.. now i want to downgrade it | 06:14 |
rcconf | removed the ppa, updated the repositories | 06:14 |
rcconf | and now i cant install pulseaudio | 06:15 |
rcconf | pulseaudio: | 06:15 |
rcconf | Depends: libpulse0 (=1:0.9.22~0.9.21+stable-queue-32-g8478-0ubuntu21.1) but 1:0.9.22-0ubuntu1 is to be installed | 06:15 |
rcconf | and if i remove libpulse0 it will remove many audio applications | 06:15 |
rcconf | how do i solve this? | 06:15 |
aztek | oh, this case new to me... | 06:18 |
rcconf | :( | 06:19 |
rcconf | now he parts.. | 06:20 |
rcconf | ppa-purge ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev/ppa | 06:24 |
rcconf | solved | 06:24 |
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sealance | quick question, is it possible to install software from the ubuntu software center without inserting the live cd? | 17:36 |
DarkwingDuck | sealance: as long as you have an internet connection and ubuntu is installed | 17:38 |
sealance | DarkwingDuck: yup, I have both of those, but it still asks for the cd, any way to tell it not to? | 17:39 |
tsimpson | you probably want to remove the CD from the software sources | 17:39 |
sealance | tsimpson: how? | 17:39 |
camelinahat | sealance: Click on "edit" and "software sources" | 17:39 |
AJH101 | 2EYB6ARD *R6B3E0S *3EASE HE3*! | 17:44 |
camelinahat | Try "FN" and Numlock (or function or something similar) | 17:45 |
AJH101 | well guessed sir! thank you VERY much :-) | 17:45 |
camelinahat | Heh, no problem I've seen it a few times. Glad to help :) | 17:46 |
sealance | camelinahat: thanks, it worked | 17:55 |
camelinahat | sealance: No problem, glad to help :) | 17:56 |
kristian-aalborg | hi all | 18:00 |
kristian-aalborg | I'm going to set up a box to only play music, with ncmpcpp and no X | 18:01 |
kristian-aalborg | the end user is a Win user and not really that much into computing... how do I make it easy for him to move music over to the box? | 18:02 |
kristian-aalborg | should I ensure there's an ntfs partition? | 18:02 |
aveilleux | kristian-aalborg: FTP | 18:02 |
kristian-aalborg | hi aveilleux | 18:03 |
aveilleux | kristian-aalborg: Or, a Samba share | 18:03 |
kristian-aalborg | this is likely to be on a network, yes | 18:03 |
kristian-aalborg | with ftp I guess he could do it in a browser? | 18:03 |
aveilleux | kristian-aalborg: No, FTP uses an FTP client | 18:03 |
aveilleux | kristian-aalborg: Most browsers (Firefox or Opera are the ones I know of) can only pull down | 18:04 |
kristian-aalborg | ah yes | 18:04 |
kristian-aalborg | so emelFM or something like that | 18:06 |
kristian-aalborg | hmm... emelFM is *nix only, it seems... what's the most user-friendly GPL file manager for Win? | 18:07 |
kristian-aalborg | and by "user friendly", I don't mean "simple vi-like key bindings", like some people do ;) | 18:08 |
camelinahat | file manager in windows supports ftp | 18:08 |
kristian-aalborg | the built-in one? | 18:08 |
camelinahat | Yep. Windows Explorer support FTP both anonymous and with authentication. | 18:09 |
aveilleux | kristian-aalborg: Windows Explorer works, as camelinahat mentioned, | 18:10 |
aveilleux | kristian-aalborg: I personally use Filezilla | 18:10 |
kristian-aalborg | I'm proud to say I haven't really used it for 5 years ;) | 18:10 |
kristian-aalborg | I was thinking about filezilla too... so that I could reproduce whatever problems the EU might have | 18:11 |
camelinahat | Just in the address bar (or the "breadcrumbs" for vista/Win 7) delete whatever is in there for say Documents. enter in ftp://user:pass@localnet.host (or leave off the user:pass and they can then go file and log in) | 18:11 |
kristian-aalborg | this removes the need for a common FS, right? | 18:11 |
camelinahat | Correct. No need to setup and configure samba as well. | 18:12 |
camelinahat | Educating the user on how to access the ftp with windows explorer is about all that's required. But then you'd still have to do that even with a network drive | 18:13 |
kristian-aalborg | I still think this is the proper way | 18:15 |
kristian-aalborg | the other thing I could think of was a script to mount and copy an usb pen, but that could easily go awry | 18:16 |
kristian-aalborg | I'll probably put MC on the box, though, to sort things | 18:16 |
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kevin50047419529 | does anyone have any experience setting up ecommerce on their site? | 19:15 |
kevin50047419529 | i want to see if i can sell some of my writing | 19:16 |
kevin50047419529 | for like a nickel | 19:17 |
pleia2 | kevin50047419529: you're much better off using something like paypal or google checkout, running your own ecommerce software is risky | 19:23 |
pleia2 | if your database gets compromised and it has credit card numbers in it, you'll owe at least $10000 per credit card leaked in fine, plus civil damages | 19:24 |
pleia2 | s/fine/fines | 19:24 |
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pleia2 | (yes, these are scare numbers and always get talked down in court settlements, but most people don't want to get as far as a courtroom when their little ecommerce site gets hacked :)) | 19:29 |
kevin4942941 | hmmm, yeah, i'd have to learn postgre sql anyway. i hear mysql isn't very secure | 19:32 |
kevin4942941 | i'll check out these payloadz or e-junkie sites | 19:32 |
kevin4942941 | thanks pleia2 | 19:32 |
pleia2 | sure :) good luck | 19:32 |
Gamegoofs2 | Does Ubuntu not have javac? | 19:42 |
yofel | Gamegoofs2: it does if you install openjdk-6-jdk or sun-java6-jdk | 19:45 |
Gamegoofs2 | yofel: Doesn't it already have openjdk? | 19:46 |
yofel | the runtime environment yes, but not the development kit by default | 19:47 |
yofel | hm, then again, not sure about the jre either | 19:47 |
Gamegoofs2 | Oh ok | 19:47 |
yofel | just install it from synaptic | 19:47 |
Gamegoofs2 | Ok thanks. | 19:49 |
juzzy_ | i recently installed ubuntu, and encrypted my drive but how can i find my encryption key via the shell again? | 22:43 |
bioterror | you can, that's the point of the key | 22:44 |
bioterror | you cant | 22:44 |
bioterror | you know the key, no one else knows, your files are safe | 22:44 |
juzzy_ | so if someone take out my harddrive, plugs it in their own pc, they cant access the files when mounted? | 22:46 |
bioterror | yes | 22:47 |
bioterror | not without knowing the key | 22:47 |
juzzy_ | neat | 22:47 |
juzzy_ | cheers mate | 22:47 |
MrChrisDruif | That's the whole point of encryption right?:) | 22:48 |
kosaidpo| | hello | 23:47 |
kosaidpo| | i've installed network-manger-gnome but i dont see it in the menu n cant either launch it via the cmmd line | 23:47 |
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