[00:00] <rcconf> and
[00:00] <rcconf> sudo service networking start
[00:01] <sealance> on network manager it says job is already running
[00:01] <rcconf> and networking?
[00:01] <rcconf> is it running?
[00:01] <sealance> networking stop/waining
[00:01] <sealance> waiting*
[00:02] <rcconf> sealance: sudo service networking restart
[00:02] <rcconf> then type ifconfig -a to list devices
[00:02] <sealance> restart unknown instance
[00:02] <rcconf> hm o,o
[00:02] <rcconf> try again
[00:03] <sealance> restart: Unknown Instance:
[00:03] <rcconf> sealance: with sudo?
[00:03] <rcconf> sealance: take a look http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1489373
[00:04] <sealance> yup, sudo
[00:05] <sealance> ecconf: i need a chkconfig package?
[00:05] <sealance> rcconf: i need a chkconfig package? *
[00:06] <rcconf> let me read
[00:06] <rcconf> oh
[00:06] <rcconf> wait
[00:06] <rcconf> sealance: you need to sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[00:06] <rcconf> :)
[00:06] <rcconf> it doesnt work with sudo service.
[00:07] <sealance> ok hold on, let me type out a summary of what just happened
[00:07] <sealance> reconfiguring network interfaces...
[00:07] <rcconf> yes
[00:07] <sealance> there is already a pid file
[00:07] <rcconf> now type ifconfig -a
[00:07] <rcconf> and paste the output in pastebin.com
[00:08] <sealance> ok, pastebin.com?
[00:08] <sealance> ok, hold on, I'll need to get a pendrive to copy it
[00:09] <rcconf> oh ye:P
[00:09] <rcconf> sealance: I've never used nwsdiswrapper so i cant help you much on that :(
[00:14] <sealance> ok 1 sec
[00:14] <sealance> let me explain what just happened
[00:14] <sealance> i have this prblem with usbs, i reboot and they worked, so i rebooted, and checked the wireless icon too
[00:14] <sealance> now i pick up all wireless signals
[00:15] <sealance> :D
[00:15] <sealance> just connected to my wireless one
[00:15] <sealance> and it works :P
[00:15] <sealance> rcconf, availleux, you guys are great, thank you so much for your time
[00:16] <rcconf> :p
[00:16] <rcconf> let me read
[00:16] <rcconf> sealance: with ndiswrapper?
[00:16] <sealance> yeah
[00:17] <rcconf> sealance: default driver didnt work?
[00:17] <rcconf> ubuntu one
[00:17] <sealance> with availleux we fixed the ndiswrapper, and with you the network manager
[00:17] <sealance> no, didnt work
[00:17] <rcconf> sealance: ok one advice
[00:17] <sealance> yeah
[00:17] <rcconf> save all this chat or just the important stuff
[00:17] <rcconf> for future reference
[00:17] <rcconf> ;)
[00:17] <sealance> ok no problem
[00:18] <aveilleux> sealance: aveilleux*
[00:18] <rcconf> :P
[00:19] <rcconf> sealance: when you want to write a nickname write the first letter and hit TAB
[00:19] <rcconf> letters*
[00:19] <aveilleux> sealance: Or first few
[00:19] <sealance> aveilleux: thanks, willdo :P
[00:19] <sealance> ok, well thank you all, i'm gunna leave
[00:20] <rcconf> bye sealance
[00:20] <rcconf> have fun
[00:20] <sealance> bye! hah willdo! :P
[00:25] <LukasB> Hi, can anybody please recommend a photo editor for ubuntu?
[00:26] <rcconf> gimp
[00:26] <LukasB> Its mainly about resizing...
[00:26] <rcconf> crop and resize?
[00:26] <rcconf> try Viewnior
[00:26] <LukasB> yeah... things like that
[00:26] <rcconf> but simple program right
[00:26] <rcconf> (i hate gimp for that)
[00:27] <rcconf> viewnior doesnt resize :(
[00:27] <LukasB> hmm... I had gimp on windows... I try Viewnior... oh okay >D
[00:27] <LukasB> :D
[00:27] <rcconf> just cropt
[00:27] <rcconf> LukasB: did u try default image viewer in ubuntu?
[00:28] <rcconf> forget. it sucks
[00:28] <LukasB> SO it would be sudo apt-get install Viewnior?
[00:28] <rcconf> for editing*
[00:28] <rcconf> LukasB: no, you would need to add a PPA to the repositories
[00:28] <LukasB> Yes I tried...
[00:28] <LukasB> Oh... What is PPA?
[00:28] <rcconf> what about
[00:28] <rcconf> shotwell photo manager?
[00:29] <rcconf> is inapplications > graphics >
[00:29] <LukasB> Yes shotwell photo viewer and shotwell photo manager... no use for that...
[00:29] <rcconf> damn
[00:29] <rcconf> LukasB: open up software center
[00:29] <rcconf> search for image editor
[00:30] <rcconf> LukasB: i found this http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/09/17/nautilus-image-converter-quickly-resize-or-rotate-images-within-nautilus/
[00:30] <rcconf> might be insteresting
[00:30] <rcconf> gonna try myself
[00:32] <rcconf> thereis a lot of apps in software center
[00:33] <LukasB> k I am right behind you... my mashine is quite slow so give me some time... xD
[00:34] <rcconf> x)
[00:35] <rcconf> LukasB: in software center go to graphics section
[00:35] <rcconf> painting and editing
[00:36] <LukasB> Yes I can imagine... :) I am launching my software center and open office drawing at the same time and my computer is on its knees... :D
[00:38] <LukasB> I think I give OpenOffice a try...
[00:38] <LukasB> No need to install anything...
[00:39] <rcconf> just give Ubuntu a try in general
[00:39] <LukasB> Try that first, than look for alternatives if necessary
[00:39] <rcconf> if you dont need windows apps
[00:39] <LukasB> What do you mean, give ubuntu a try? The included software?
[00:39] <rcconf> you can also use some in ubuntu using Wine
[00:40] <rcconf> LukasB: the operating system in general
[00:40] <rcconf> is better. software is different. but in the end it's better than windows in many aspects :)
[00:40] <LukasB> Oh yes I do... thats why I am in this channel... :)
[00:40] <rcconf> bbl
[00:41] <LukasB> But istalling firefox 4.0 yesterday was a bit of a mission :D little bit different to windwos
[00:42] <LukasB> To be honest, I didn't discover a big technical advantage yet... Although there a few very nice functions and it is for free. But the best is the great support!!!
[00:45] <LukasB> rcconf: Okay, thank you! I am back later, too
[00:49] <johnny77> LukasB: If you are still here, try www.picnik.com It is an online picture editor.
[01:20] <LukasB> johnny77: Thank you!
[01:22] <johnny77> LukasB: No Problem. I use it for all my photo editing, but all I ever need is just the basics.
[01:26] <_spacer_> hey ho
[01:27] <_spacer_> ubuntu server for internet share.  is this a good idea?
[01:29] <_spacer_> i have really really crappy internet. 4 laptops, one pc for server, one for desktop, and two (maybe three) xboxes
[01:29] <holstein> _spacer_: anything with SSH will be nice and secure
[01:30] <_spacer_> and reliable?
[01:30] <holstein> seems like you are talking about locally
[01:31] <holstein> i mean, theres not really a server thats going to make your internet more reliable
[01:31] <holstein> ubuntu is just awsome, not magical
[01:32] <_spacer_> well i realize that.  but i mean in terms of the server sharing reliably.
[01:32] <holstein> its linux
[01:32] <holstein> it'll share whatever you want
[01:32] <holstein> however you want it
[01:33] <holstein> _spacer_: have you checked out something like dropbox?
[01:33] <_spacer_> i need to be able to get controll of the internet coming and going out of my household.
[01:33] <holstein> http://holstein.shacknet.nu/dropbox/
[01:33] <holstein> _spacer_: maybe a router?
[01:33] <_spacer_> for example i would like to be able to shut down specific ips
[01:33] <holstein> some kind of gateway
[01:33] <holstein> i like ddwrt
[01:34] <_spacer_> and possibly controll the bandwidth aswell.  one of my sons likes to download 12 youtube vids at the same time
[01:34] <_spacer_> well my other son wants to play xbox
[01:35] <holstein> yeah, i would look at a gateway
[01:35] <holstein> you can do that with ubuntu though i suppose
[01:35] <_spacer_> from time to time i am required to send largefile via email for work
[01:35] <holstein> _spacer_: ubuntuserver = ubuntu
[01:35] <holstein> you can install the normal ubuntu desktop
[01:36] <holstein> and run whatever from the server install you want
[01:36] <holstein> _spacer_: something like dropbox would just be running in the background
[01:36] <holstein> and sync as needed
[01:36] <holstein> til its sync'd
[01:36] <_spacer_> i would like to run abox headless out of of my closet
[01:36] <holstein> sure
[01:37] <holstein> mine is in the crawl-space :)
[01:37] <_spacer_> ok here then. is this possible...
[01:37] <holstein> its linux
[01:37] <holstein> and open-source
[01:38] <holstein> its all possible
[01:38] <holstein> do you want to set it up, is the question
[01:38] <_spacer_> i have my crappy rural internet run through my closet box. i have two network cards installed in that box
[01:38] <holstein> cool
[01:38] <holstein> whats running on there?
[01:38] <_spacer_> out from there into my router wrt120 linksys
[01:39] <holstein> well, thats 2 points for network adminstration like you are looking for
[01:39] <holstein> with linux on the box as a firewall/gateway
[01:39] <_spacer_> right now 10.10, but i think i am gonna burn it down and start fresh...i think i screwed somehting up there
[01:39] <holstein> OR ddwrt on the router
[01:39] <holstein> ddwrt is easier in my opinion
[01:40] <holstein> and you already have the hardware
[01:40] <holstein> so why not?, right
[01:41] <_spacer_> will the ddwrt work on my router?
[01:42] <holstein> hmmm, acutally, i dont think it is supported
[01:42] <_spacer_> brb
[01:42] <holstein> http://www.dd-wrt.com/site/support/router-database
[01:42] <holstein> a supported one is like 15 bucks though
[01:42] <holstein> at the charity shop
[01:44] <_spacer_> i didn't think so
[01:45] <holstein> yeah?
[01:45] <holstein> most are
[01:45] <holstein> i have the 150
[01:45] <_spacer_> so how about running thru the server
[01:45] <holstein> and a bunch of wrt54g's
[01:45] <holstein> _spacer_: sure
[01:45] <holstein> you'll want some kind of router/gateway
[01:45] <_spacer_> yeah i have crap luck with routers
[01:46] <holstein> and you can use the router you have like a switch
[01:46] <_spacer_> unhappy child, brb  again
[01:51] <_spacer_> is it difficult to configure ubuntu to share internet?
[01:52] <holstein> _spacer_: i would say do-able
[01:53] <holstein> ive only done it with the GUI
[01:53] <holstein> but, i know its possible
[01:53] <_spacer_> ok how difficult would it be to configure the server from a seperate box running the GUI?
[01:54] <holstein> i wouldnt let the GUI be a concern
[01:54] <holstein> if it is
[01:54] <holstein> just install the normal ubuntu
[01:54] <holstein> and VNC into it
[01:54] <holstein> you can run that headless
[01:54] <holstein> and SSH into it too like you would a server
[01:54] <holstein> *a typical server
[01:54] <_spacer_> i tried that to no avail  (vnc headless)
[01:54] <holstein> yeah?
[01:55] <holstein> thats one of those things that 'just works'
[01:55] <holstein> the server is integrated into the desktop
[01:55] <holstein> so, you just turn it on
[01:55] <_spacer_> what version did you set that up on?
[01:55] <holstein> version of ubuntu?
[01:55] <_spacer_> yes
[01:56] <holstein> 8.04 - now
[01:56] <_spacer_> yeah, i think there is some difficulty setting that up on 10.10 for some reason.
[01:56] <holstein> worked for me
[01:56] <holstein> _spacer_: try different clients
[01:57] <_spacer_> cool
[01:57] <holstein> also, try 10.04
[01:57] <holstein> its the LTS release
[01:57] <holstein> thats what is, and will be on my server
[01:57] <holstein> and production machines
[01:57] <_spacer_> 10.4 is better than 10.10?
[01:57] <holstein> no
[01:57] <holstein> its just the LTS (long term support)
[01:58] <holstein> usually considered more stable
[01:58] <_spacer_> i see
[01:58] <holstein> or boring, depending on how you look at it ;)
[01:58] <holstein> you can do it all with 10.10 though
[01:58] <holstein> if you really like it
[01:58] <_spacer_> stable is def.more exciting to me, as it allows me to do otherbthings
[01:58] <holstein> but, right now, you might as well do 11.04
[01:59] <holstein> thats pretty stable, and almost final
[01:59] <_spacer_> i have the image for 10.10, and i may have mentioned my internet is pretty lame
[02:00] <holstein> dont worry too much then
[02:00] <_spacer_> any how, can you point me at a doc or something for this project? i'm so newb i'm not really sure what to look for?
[02:02] <holstein> http://askubuntu.com/questions/15591/resources-for-making-an-ubuntu-based-router
[02:02] <holstein> ^ seems relavant
[02:02] <holstein> thats the easy GUI way that i have tried
[02:04] <_spacer_> ok thanks...gonna have a read.
[02:04] <_spacer_> hey is firestarter still relevant?
[02:05] <charlie-tca> yes
[02:06] <_spacer_> cool thx
[02:50] <T_N_T> Hello I have an Acer Aspire One AOD250-1151 and just installed 10.10 and the wireless card is not working "device not ready(firmware missing)" what do I need to do/can I download the drivers somewhere/how do I install them?
[02:56] <T_N_T> I have looked for help on the forums, but can't find my specific problem, there is a message in boot that tells me where to download but can't see it goes too fast
[02:58] <aveilleux> T_N_T: Have you tried doing dmesg |tail ?
[02:58] <T_N_T> in terminal?
[03:01] <T_N_T> "skipping edid probe due to cached edid" + ext4-fs (loop0): re-mounted. Opts: errors:remount-ro,commit=0
[03:05] <T_N_T> aveilleux , what does all that mean?
[03:07] <aveilleux> hm
[03:07] <aveilleux> T_N_T: I'll admit, I'm not good with filesystem problems
[03:08] <T_N_T> thats a filesystem problem? how does that affect why the wireless card won't work?
[03:09] <aveilleux> T_N_T: That error is filesystem-related. You said you're having wireless card problems?
[03:10] <T_N_T> yes
[03:10] <T_N_T> aod 250-1151 "device not ready, firmware missing"
[03:11] <T_N_T> it gave me some message where to download the driver at boot, but it goes too quick to see it
[03:12] <aveilleux> T_N_T: You can always do dmesg |more if you feel like scrolling through all the logs
[03:12] <T_N_T> ok\ thx
[03:13] <T_N_T> on my other notebook no issues, but this one has been frustrating, I do love Ubuntu though
[03:13] <T_N_T> very clean OS
[03:17] <T_N_T> there are a huge amount of messages to look through
[03:18] <T_N_T> just found the message I need
[03:23] <T_N_T> aveilleux thanks for your help
[03:26] <aveilleux> T_N_T: No problem
[03:46] <DrHurt2011_> So if I don't have ubuntu or wubi in my add/remove programs list, and no ubuntu or wubi directory in my C drive, and there are unknown partitions in my Computer Management, then I've done something horribly wrong if I want to uninstall ubuntu, no??
[03:52] <LukasB> Why have you done something wrong? Seems like its all removed...
[04:25] <rcconf> I have an issue: I added Ubuntu Dev Audio PPA and upgraded the audio packages. Then I purged the PPA... And now I have obsolete packages. How can I rollback to the previous version of pulseaudio etc?
[04:26] <arbius> getting login screen on liveCD. is ther a default login/password?  i tried ubuntu and blank.
[04:27] <rcconf> arbius: try ubuntu ubuntu
[04:27] <rcconf> or blank blank
[04:27] <arbius> ok , will try
[05:04] <rcconf> downgrade packages synaptic?
[05:05] <rcconf> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[05:05] <rcconf> why?
[06:12] <rcconf> help with pulseaudio pls
[06:13] <aztek> what wrong with your audio?
[06:14] <rcconf> packages
[06:14] <rcconf> I added PPA dev
[06:14] <rcconf> upgraded.. now i want to downgrade it
[06:14] <rcconf> removed the ppa, updated the repositories
[06:15] <rcconf> and now i cant install pulseaudio
[06:15] <rcconf> pulseaudio:
[06:15] <rcconf>   Depends: libpulse0 (=1:0.9.22~0.9.21+stable-queue-32-g8478-0ubuntu21.1) but 1:0.9.22-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[06:15] <rcconf> and if i remove libpulse0 it will remove many audio applications
[06:15] <rcconf> how do i solve this?
[06:18] <aztek> oh, this case new to me...
[06:19] <rcconf> :(
[06:20] <rcconf> now he parts..
[06:24] <rcconf> ppa-purge ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev/ppa
[06:24] <rcconf> solved
[12:23]  * aztek maleset
[17:36] <sealance> quick question, is it possible to install software from the ubuntu software center without inserting the live cd?
[17:38] <DarkwingDuck> sealance: as long as you have an internet connection and ubuntu is installed
[17:39] <sealance> DarkwingDuck: yup, I have both of those, but it still asks for the cd, any way to tell it not to?
[17:39] <tsimpson> you probably want to remove the CD from the software sources
[17:39] <sealance> tsimpson: how?
[17:39] <camelinahat> sealance: Click on "edit" and "software sources"
[17:44] <AJH101> 2EYB6ARD *R6B3E0S *3EASE HE3*!
[17:45] <camelinahat> Try "FN" and Numlock (or function or something similar)
[17:45] <AJH101> well guessed sir! thank you VERY much :-)
[17:46] <camelinahat> Heh, no problem I've seen it a few times. Glad to help :)
[17:55] <sealance> camelinahat: thanks, it worked
[17:56] <camelinahat> sealance: No problem, glad to help :)
[18:00] <kristian-aalborg> hi all
[18:01] <kristian-aalborg> I'm going to set up a box to only play music, with ncmpcpp and no X
[18:02] <kristian-aalborg> the end user is a Win user and not really that much into computing... how do I make it easy for him to move music over to the box?
[18:02] <kristian-aalborg> should I ensure there's an ntfs partition?
[18:02] <aveilleux> kristian-aalborg: FTP
[18:03] <kristian-aalborg> hi aveilleux
[18:03] <aveilleux> kristian-aalborg: Or, a Samba share
[18:03] <kristian-aalborg> this is likely to be on a network, yes
[18:03] <kristian-aalborg> with ftp I guess he could do it in a browser?
[18:03] <aveilleux> kristian-aalborg: No, FTP uses an FTP client
[18:04] <aveilleux> kristian-aalborg: Most browsers (Firefox or Opera are the ones I know of) can only pull down
[18:04] <kristian-aalborg> ah yes
[18:06] <kristian-aalborg> so emelFM or something like that
[18:07] <kristian-aalborg> hmm... emelFM is *nix only, it seems... what's the most user-friendly GPL file manager for Win?
[18:08] <kristian-aalborg> and by "user friendly", I don't mean "simple vi-like key bindings", like some people do ;)
[18:08] <camelinahat> file manager in windows supports ftp
[18:08] <kristian-aalborg> the built-in one?
[18:09] <camelinahat> Yep. Windows Explorer support FTP both anonymous and with authentication.
[18:10] <aveilleux> kristian-aalborg: Windows Explorer works, as camelinahat mentioned,
[18:10] <aveilleux> kristian-aalborg: I personally use Filezilla
[18:10] <kristian-aalborg> I'm proud to say I haven't really used it for 5 years ;)
[18:11] <kristian-aalborg> I was thinking about filezilla too... so that I could reproduce whatever problems the EU might have
[18:11] <camelinahat> Just in the address bar (or the "breadcrumbs" for vista/Win 7) delete whatever is in there for say Documents. enter in ftp://user:pass@localnet.host (or leave off the user:pass and they can then go file and log in)
[18:11] <kristian-aalborg> this removes the need for a common FS, right?
[18:12] <camelinahat> Correct. No need to setup and configure samba as well.
[18:13] <camelinahat> Educating the user on how to access the ftp with windows explorer is about all that's required. But then you'd still have to do that even with a network drive
[18:15] <kristian-aalborg> I still think this is the proper way
[18:16] <kristian-aalborg> the other thing I could think of was a script to mount and copy an usb pen, but that could easily go awry
[18:16] <kristian-aalborg> I'll probably put MC on the box, though, to sort things
[19:15] <kevin50047419529> does anyone have any experience setting up ecommerce on their site?
[19:16] <kevin50047419529> i want to see if i can sell some of my writing
[19:17] <kevin50047419529> for like a nickel
[19:23] <pleia2> kevin50047419529: you're much better off using something like paypal or google checkout, running your own ecommerce software is risky
[19:24] <pleia2> if your database gets compromised and it has credit card numbers in it, you'll owe at least $10000 per credit card leaked in fine, plus civil damages
[19:24] <pleia2> s/fine/fines
[19:29] <pleia2> (yes, these are scare numbers and always get talked down in court settlements, but most people don't want to get as far as a courtroom when their little ecommerce site gets hacked :))
[19:32] <kevin4942941> hmmm, yeah, i'd have to learn postgre sql anyway.  i hear mysql isn't very secure
[19:32] <kevin4942941> i'll check out these payloadz or e-junkie sites
[19:32] <kevin4942941> thanks pleia2
[19:32] <pleia2> sure :) good luck
[19:42] <Gamegoofs2> Does Ubuntu not have javac?
[19:45] <yofel> Gamegoofs2: it does if you install openjdk-6-jdk or sun-java6-jdk
[19:46] <Gamegoofs2> yofel: Doesn't it already have openjdk?
[19:47] <yofel> the runtime environment yes, but not the development kit by default
[19:47] <yofel> hm, then again, not sure about the jre either
[19:47] <Gamegoofs2> Oh ok
[19:47] <yofel> just install it from synaptic
[19:49] <Gamegoofs2> Ok thanks.
[22:43] <juzzy_> i recently installed ubuntu, and encrypted my drive but how can i find my encryption key via the shell again?
[22:44] <bioterror> you can, that's the point of the key
[22:44] <bioterror> you cant
[22:44] <bioterror> you know the key, no one else knows, your files are safe
[22:46] <juzzy_> so if someone take out my harddrive, plugs it in their own pc, they cant access the files when mounted?
[22:47] <bioterror> yes
[22:47] <bioterror> not without knowing the key
[22:47] <juzzy_> neat
[22:47] <juzzy_> cheers mate
[22:48] <MrChrisDruif> That's the whole point of encryption right?:)
[23:47] <kosaidpo|> hello
[23:47] <kosaidpo|> i've installed network-manger-gnome  but i dont see it in the menu n cant either launch it via the cmmd line