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| zul | hi | 16:55 |
|---|---|---|
| RoAkSoAx | o/ | 16:57 |
| kirkland | \o\ | 16:57 |
| kirkland | /o/ | 16:57 |
| sconklin | o\ | 16:57 |
| hallyn | \o | 16:58 |
| hallyn | who's on bat? | 17:01 |
| zul | hallyn: was it you last week? | 17:01 |
| jamespage | o/ | 17:01 |
| hallyn | no, two or three weeks ago | 17:01 |
| zul | who did last week? | 17:01 |
| hallyn | spamaps? | 17:02 |
| * hallyn checks the blog | 17:02 | |
| RoAkSoAx | yes \ | 17:02 |
| zul | i think its Daviey this week | 17:02 |
| RoAkSoAx | yeah | 17:02 |
| Daviey | Sorry, chaps... was on the phone... I'm back now. | 17:03 |
| * hallyn tips his hat | 17:03 | |
| Daviey | two moments whilst i compose myself. | 17:03 |
| Daviey | #startmeeting | 17:04 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 11:04. The chair is Daviey. | 17:04 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 17:04 |
| robbiew | *\o/* | 17:04 |
| Daviey | Hellow everyone, and thank you for coming. Apologies for starting later than scheduled. | 17:04 |
| kirkland | pom poms, robbiew ? | 17:04 |
| robbiew | you know it! | 17:04 |
| Daviey | [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting | 17:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Review ACTION points from previous meeting | 17:04 |
| Daviey | Daviey to talk with wider docs team regarding translations (deferred, carry over) | 17:05 |
| Daviey | -- This is still carried over. | 17:05 |
| Daviey | Daviey to post another followup one euca-dhcp bug. (carry over) | 17:05 |
| Daviey | -- scheduled to talk with upstream today via phone. | 17:05 |
| Daviey | (and yesterday for that matter) | 17:05 |
| Daviey | SpamapS to put his version of ubuntuserver-minutes in directions for writing minutes | 17:05 |
| Daviey | -- looks done | 17:05 |
| Daviey | [TOPIC] Natty Development | 17:06 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Natty Development | 17:06 |
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| Daviey | So, we are in Ubuntu Beta 1 hard freeze. | 17:06 |
| Daviey | Hopefully the ISO building is starting to stabilise, and we should have a potential candidate soon (if not now) | 17:07 |
| Daviey | We could do with some additional testing of these candidates.. | 17:07 |
| kirkland | Daviey: fyi, the aubergine color got dropped from the beta1 debian-installer :-( | 17:07 |
| Daviey | http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-server-ubuntu-11.04-beta-1.html | 17:07 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-server-ubuntu-11.04-beta-1.html | 17:07 |
| kirkland | Daviey: sort of inadvertent fallout of making it configurable | 17:07 |
| zul | how come? | 17:08 |
| Daviey | kirkland, that is a shame... | 17:08 |
| kirkland | Daviey: i'm trying to fix it now | 17:08 |
| Daviey | kirkland, So that will land after beta 1 now? | 17:08 |
| kirkland | Daviey: yes, pray that the fix gets accepted for beta2 | 17:08 |
| kirkland | Daviey: cjwatson said that he's not rebuilding debian-installer for beta1 at this point (understandably) | 17:08 |
| Daviey | kirkland, I hope so! I liked the aubergine love. It was in yesterdays ISO - when was it dropped? | 17:09 |
| kirkland | Daviey: debian-installer rebuilt yesterday, which used the updated newt configuration, where newt's palette is configurable | 17:09 |
| kirkland | Daviey: and that configuration did not propagate to the debian-installer bits | 17:10 |
| Daviey | I see, thanks kirkland - is there a new bug / WI that is tracking this? | 17:10 |
| kirkland | Daviey: i'm trying desparately to get it working | 17:10 |
| Daviey | kirkland, rocking. | 17:10 |
| kirkland | Daviey: i honestly haven't had time to file a bug, focused on fixing it ASAP | 17:10 |
| Daviey | kirkland, ok, sounds good. | 17:10 |
| kirkland | Daviey: but i thought i'd mention it here, thanks | 17:10 |
| Daviey | Okay.. regarding our burn down chart.. | 17:10 |
| Daviey | As we are in freeze now, any items that are in main/multiverse need to be adjusted to beta2 - or discussion if they should be dropped. | 17:11 |
| Daviey | Regarding release bugs... We do have a handful.. they look like they are making progress - so not sure we need to discuss them further here. | 17:12 |
| Daviey | Does anyone else have any comments for Natty development? | 17:12 |
| Daviey | moving on | 17:12 |
| Daviey | [TOPIC] Ubuntu Server Team Events | 17:12 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Ubuntu Server Team Events | 17:12 |
| Daviey | Doesn't look like we have any new ones confirmed in the short term. | 17:13 |
| Daviey | [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) | 17:13 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) | 17:13 |
| RoAkSoAx | This Saturday April 2nd. Texas Linux Fest. kirkland and I are presenting | 17:13 |
| jamespage | Hmm well there is puppet camp at the end of next month | 17:13 |
| RoAkSoAx | Daviey: ^^ | 17:13 |
| Daviey | RoAkSoAx, ah, thanks! | 17:13 |
| zul | Openstack Summit next month | 17:14 |
| Daviey | Yeah, i thought that was > short term. :) | 17:14 |
| zul | it is short term :) | 17:14 |
| Daviey | New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) | 17:14 |
| Daviey | hggdh, the floor is yours, sir | 17:15 |
| Daviey | hggdh, seems afk... we will come back | 17:15 |
| Daviey | [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) | 17:15 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb) | 17:15 |
| Daviey | smb, Are you around? | 17:16 |
| smb | Yes, a bit late but I am here | 17:16 |
| smoser | smb, bug 740658 and bug 741224 have popped up in the last few days. | 17:16 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 740658 in linux-meta-ec2 (Ubuntu) "kernels compiled with"CONFIG_HAVE_UNSTABLE_SCHED_CLOCK=y" lead to weird clock drifts on some CPUs. This may up ending in DOS" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/740658 | 17:16 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 741224 in linux-ec2 (Ubuntu) "m1.large instances randomly freezing for 5-15 minutes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/741224 | 17:16 |
| smb | Mostly being trying to bring lucid-ec2 into shape | 17:16 |
| smoser | both with a fair amount of helpful information. | 17:16 |
| * Daviey looks | 17:17 | |
| smoser | just wanted to make sure you'd read through them, one follows through to upstream thread https://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/629361/ | 17:17 |
| smb | I think I had been looking at them. But I cannot say for sure exactly how things were there | 17:18 |
| Daviey | smb / smoser: So the main issues with EC2 kernel is with Lucid, not Natty? | 17:18 |
| smb | I need to get back tehere again | 17:18 |
| smb | Daviey, There is one for natty afaik | 17:18 |
| smoser | Daviey, the issues are present in all releases. | 17:18 |
| smoser | :-( | 17:18 |
| smb | the java not being installable on t1.micro | 17:18 |
| smb | But other things tend to go quite a bit back | 17:19 |
| Daviey | smb, is java on t1.micro looking good for Natty? | 17:19 |
| smb | Daviey, no the other way round | 17:19 |
| smb | it is not looking good for natty | 17:19 |
| smb | but I had not yet time to look back into that | 17:19 |
| Daviey | smb, ok, thanks | 17:20 |
| Daviey | smoser, anything else for EC2? | 17:20 |
| smb | There is one set of patches turning up a lot which changes the way interrupts are handled | 17:20 |
| * hggdh is back from a phone call | 17:20 | |
| smb | unfortunately those are not really triviall to get back to Lucid (not to mention hardy) | 17:20 |
| smoser | both t1.micro/java and those listed above are at least potentially bugs on all releases. i fully trust smb, its just a matter of hours in the day, and as he suggests nothing is trivial | 17:21 |
| smb | But at least natty should be fine in that respect | 17:21 |
| Daviey | smb, I'm not sure our users would be too concerned with the fix landing in Hardy tbh. | 17:21 |
| smb | Daviey, there has been asking | 17:21 |
| smoser | there are some users who are interested in hardy fixes | 17:21 |
| Daviey | oh. | 17:21 |
| Daviey | smb, I was trying to make your life easier. :) | 17:22 |
| smb | Nothing is impossible for the one that not has to do it. :) | 17:22 |
| zul | has there been an update kernel for hardy yet? | 17:22 |
| smb | Anyway those may go to Lucid | 17:22 |
| smb | But then I still have to get that into there as well | 17:22 |
| Daviey | Okay... are there any pressing issues for non-ec2 kernels atm? | 17:23 |
| smb | zul, There has been no update to xen speciafically | 17:23 |
| zul | smb: cool | 17:23 |
| smb | I am not sure whether there has not been other changes in between though | 17:23 |
| smoser | kernel related.... john johansen sent a mail to ubuntu-server mailing list | 17:24 |
| smoser | asking for input on -virtual kernel. | 17:24 |
| Daviey | yes! | 17:24 |
| jjohansen | yep | 17:24 |
| smoser | please, if the -virtual kernel has affected you, please speak up there. | 17:24 |
| smb | zul, Actually, maybe you want to check whether you got the same amount of patches in your packatge | 17:24 |
| * jjohansen was waiting to pitch it | 17:24 | |
| Daviey | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2011-March/005348.html | 17:24 |
| zul | smb: lets take it off line | 17:24 |
| smb | There may have been something needing fix for a cve but I lost a bit track of time | 17:24 |
| smb | ok | 17:24 |
| Daviey | jjohansen, Do you want to speak? | 17:25 |
| smb | jjohansen, go | 17:25 |
| smoser | zul, fyi, hggdh has info on hardy kernel updates as well. | 17:25 |
| jjohansen | Daviey: not really, I was just going to do a one more thing. The kernel team is looking for kernel input, please reply to the mail, or hunt me down | 17:25 |
| jjohansen | I think its been covered | 17:26 |
| Daviey | super, thanks! | 17:26 |
| Daviey | It's good to see there is not much concern with the tradional kernel for natty.. | 17:26 |
| * Daviey is happy | 17:26 | |
| Daviey | Thanks smb and jjohansen ! | 17:26 |
| Daviey | [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) | 17:26 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) | 17:26 |
| Daviey | hggdh, floor is yours, sir! | 17:27 |
| hggdh | thanks | 17:27 |
| hggdh | we are busy on ISO testing; also still working on the Euca bug | 17:27 |
| hggdh | no news there yet | 17:27 |
| hggdh | smoser: ec2 images ready for ISO testing? | 17:28 |
| smoser | hggdh, yes. | 17:28 |
| * Daviey has been working with hggdh to try and resolve the euca bug. | 17:28 | |
| smoser | jamespage, is working on this , we're attempting to test through jenkins with the work eh's done there. | 17:28 |
| Daviey | jamespage, Do you want to comment on the jenkins testing? | 17:29 |
| jamespage | yep | 17:29 |
| jamespage | so I executed a full set of tests this afternoon; its thrown up a couple of minor bugs with the testing framework which I will fix ASAP. | 17:30 |
| jamespage | Results here -> http://jenkins.qa.ubuntu-uk.org/view/natty-ec2/ if anyone wants to take a look | 17:30 |
| Daviey | jamespage / smoser: Is this expected to be the primary testing, or will traditional testing still be conducted for b1? | 17:30 |
| hggdh | jamespage: can we consider these results as the "official beta" results? | 17:30 |
| hggdh | heh | 17:31 |
| smoser | leaning torwards this being primary | 17:31 |
| robbiew | +1 | 17:31 |
| Daviey | That should be a good time saving! | 17:31 |
| jamespage | They are against 20110329 | 17:31 |
| jamespage | so we will need to run again | 17:31 |
| hggdh | OK | 17:31 |
| jamespage | Suggest I fix issues | 17:31 |
| smoser | (not really much time saving... the other tests were all automated as well) | 17:31 |
| hggdh | I *think* we now have the final ISO -- the .2 | 17:31 |
| jamespage | and they re-run once we think we have a good image for beta 1 | 17:32 |
| Daviey | (candidate) | 17:32 |
| Daviey | jamespage, Are they triggered automatically? | 17:32 |
| hggdh | Daviey: yes indeed, the final, er, candidate | 17:32 |
| Daviey | heh | 17:32 |
| jamespage | No - thats intentional as they cost $$ to execute. | 17:32 |
| Daviey | ok, so smoser pings you to fire them? | 17:33 |
| jamespage | At the moment they have to be submitted individually (which is a bit of a pain) | 17:33 |
| jamespage | Yes - thats fine. | 17:33 |
| Daviey | groovy. | 17:33 |
| Daviey | Anything else for hggdh, or QA related? | 17:33 |
| hggdh | .. from me | 17:34 |
| Daviey | hggdh, super... thanks.. I think we'll be talking more this week. :) | 17:34 |
| Daviey | moving on... | 17:34 |
| smoser | well, since we're there. | 17:34 |
| smoser | hold on | 17:34 |
| Daviey | smoser, go | 17:34 |
| smoser | so is there anything anyone knows about that should cause respin of 20110329 uec images ? | 17:34 |
| smoser | (built on taht date ~ 1:00 am UTC) | 17:35 |
| smoser | manifest http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/server/natty/current/natty-server-uec-amd64.manifest | 17:35 |
| Daviey | smoser, Have you already tested those? | 17:36 |
| smoser | that is what jamespage ran a test on. | 17:36 |
| Daviey | ah | 17:36 |
| Daviey | nothing of interest has changed AFAIK. | 17:37 |
| Daviey | moving on. | 17:38 |
| Daviey | [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team | 17:38 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Documentation Team | 17:38 |
| Daviey | We do have quite alot of docs to do before release. | 17:38 |
| Daviey | We need to review the current documentation. | 17:38 |
| Daviey | and some people have WI for new docs. | 17:38 |
| Daviey | [ACTION] Please review the current documentation. | 17:39 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: Please review the current documentation. | 17:39 |
| RoAkSoAx | what about the inclusion of new documentation | 17:39 |
| Daviey | Hopefully we'll be able to touch some docs before next meeting.. if we comment next meeting what we have done, that will help. | 17:39 |
| Daviey | RoAkSoAx, Yes, if the current documentation is weak in an area, it needs new documentation :) | 17:40 |
| Daviey | [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community | 17:40 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community | 17:40 |
| RoAkSoAx | Daviey: I mean completely new documentation that I'd like to include | 17:40 |
| Daviey | RoAkSoAx, Yes, is that on one of the WI's? | 17:41 |
| RoAkSoAx | Daviey: I would love to include Cluster Docs | 17:41 |
| RoAkSoAx | Daviey: which I have made available at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClusterStack/Natty | 17:41 |
| Daviey | RoAkSoAx, That sounds like a good idea.. do you know how to submit it? | 17:42 |
| RoAkSoAx | Daviey: nope, that's why I was asking :) | 17:42 |
| Daviey | RoAkSoAx, Okay, I'll take the action of providing guidance to -server ml. | 17:43 |
| RoAkSoAx | cool ;) | 17:43 |
| Daviey | (I need to check with the docs team, anyway) | 17:43 |
| Daviey | [ACTION] Daviey to talk with docs team about new submissions. | 17:43 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: Daviey to talk with docs team about new submissions. | 17:43 |
| Daviey | [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community | 17:44 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions from the Ubuntu Community | 17:44 |
| Daviey | Is there anything new here? | 17:44 |
| Daviey | any new contributors want to say hello? :) | 17:44 |
| Daviey | [TOPIC] Open Discussion | 17:45 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Open Discussion | 17:45 |
| Daviey | Anyone have anything else to add? | 17:45 |
| robbiew | Daviey is the new Ubuntu Server Technical Lead | 17:46 |
| robbiew | whoohoo | 17:46 |
| robbiew | heh | 17:46 |
| RoAkSoAx | \o/ | 17:46 |
| Daviey | STC. :) | 17:46 |
| jamespage | \o/ - congrats Daviey | 17:46 |
| * Daviey blushes. | 17:46 | |
| Daviey | moving on gracefully. | 17:47 |
| Daviey | [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time | 17:47 |
| Daviey | Tuesday, April 5 2011 16:00 UTC | 17:47 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Announce next meeting date and time | 17:47 |
| raphink | congrats | 17:47 |
| * robbiew begins the delegations of time waisting work and meanless duties | 17:47 | |
| robbiew | meaningless | 17:47 |
| Daviey | oh joy | 17:48 |
| Daviey | #endmeeting | 17:48 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 11:48. | 17:48 |
| JFo | o/ | 17:58 |
| sconklin | \o | 17:58 |
| * tgardner waves | 17:58 | |
| jjohansen | \o | 17:58 |
| ppisati | o/ | 17:58 |
| sforshee | o/ | 17:58 |
| * smb is here | 17:59 | |
| * ogasawara waves | 17:59 | |
| bjf | #startmeeting | 18:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 12:00. The chair is bjf. | 18:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 18:00 |
| bjf | ## | 18:00 |
| bjf | ## This is the Ubuntu Kernel Team weekly status meeting. | 18:00 |
| bjf | ## | 18:00 |
| bjf | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting | 18:00 |
| bjf | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty | 18:00 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting | 18:00 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty | 18:00 |
| bjf | # Meeting Etiquette | 18:00 |
| bjf | # | 18:00 |
| bjf | # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input. | 18:00 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Release Metrics (JFo) | 18:00 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Release Metrics (JFo) | 18:00 |
| JFo | Release Meeting Bugs (6 bugs, 8 Blueprints) | 18:00 |
| JFo | ==== Beta 1 Milestoned Bugs (59 across all packages (down 29)) ==== | 18:00 |
| JFo | * 4 linux kernel bugs (no change) | 18:00 |
| JFo | * 0 linux-ti-omap bugs (no change) | 18:00 |
| JFo | * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (no change) | 18:00 |
| JFo | ==== Release Targeted Bugs (274 across all packages (up 1)) ==== | 18:00 |
| JFo | * 22 linux kernel bugs (up 2) | 18:00 |
| JFo | * 0 linux-ti-omap bugs (no change) | 18:00 |
| JFo | * 0 linux-meta-ti-omap bug (no change) | 18:00 |
| JFo | ==== Milestoned Features ==== | 18:00 |
| JFo | * 7 blueprints (Including HWE Blueprints) | 18:00 |
| JFo | ==== Maverick Updates Bugs ==== | 18:01 |
| JFo | * 60 Linux Bugs (down 13) | 18:01 |
| JFo | ==== Lucid Updates Bugs ==== | 18:01 |
| JFo | * 94 Linux Bugs (no change) | 18:01 |
| JFo | ==== Bugs with Patches Attached:84 (up 1) ==== | 18:01 |
| JFo | * [[https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.has_patch=on | Bugs with Patches]] | 18:01 |
| JFo | * [[http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/csv-stats/bugs-with-patches/linux/ | Breakdown by status]] | 18:01 |
| JFo | .. | 18:01 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Blueprints: Natty Bug Handling (JFo) | 18:01 |
| bjf | [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-bug-handling | 18:01 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Blueprints: Natty Bug Handling (JFo) | 18:01 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-kernel-n-bug-handling | 18:01 |
| JFo | * I am reviewing the items this week (had planned to do last week, but didn't get to it) | 18:01 |
| JFo | to determine what, if any, items need to be postponed or require further discussion at UDS. There | 18:01 |
| JFo | are several items that are relatively straightforward and simply need to have the time allotted | 18:01 |
| JFo | for them to be completed. I'll plan and implement that schedule for myself also this week. | 18:01 |
| JFo | .. | 18:01 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Status: General Natty (apw / ogasawara) | 18:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Status: General Natty (apw / ogasawara) | 18:02 |
| ogasawara | Beta-1 is this Thursday, March 31. Beta-1 will ship with the 2.6.38-7.39 kernel which is based on mainline v2.6.38. Do not expect any further uploads of the kernel until after Beta. In the mean time we've been queueing patches in the master-next branch including rebasing to the most recent 2.6.38.2 stable update. Also keep in mind that Kernel Freeze is April 14, ~2weeks away. After kernel freeze we will transition t | 18:02 |
| ogasawara | o our SRU policy when submitting and accepting patches. See: | 18:02 |
| ogasawara | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelUpdates and | 18:02 |
| ogasawara | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/StablePatchFormat | 18:02 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelUpdates and | 18:02 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Dev/StablePatchFormat | 18:02 |
| ogasawara | I'd like to also note that Kernel Freeze is also the same date as Beta 2. Any uploads beyond that would likely have to be of the kitten killing nature. | 18:02 |
| ogasawara | .. | 18:02 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Status: Stable Kernel Team (sconklin / bjf) | 18:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Status: Stable Kernel Team (sconklin / bjf) | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || We are extending the verification phase of this kernel cycle to two weeks in order to resync with master | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || Natty interlock schedule. | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || Due to a shortage of testing resources and testing required for the upcoming Natty release, there will | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || not be a normal two-week kernel release cadence for the next few weeks. The schedule is as follows: | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || kernel (maverick, lucid) -> proposed 3/25 | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || verification in progress this week | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || hw cert/qa - 4/1-4/7 | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || kernel (maveric, lucid) -> update 4/7 | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || kernel ( maverick, lucid?)-> proposed 4/22 | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || verification 4/25-4/29 | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || hw cert/qa - 4/29 - 5/5 | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || kernel (maverick, lucid? ) to update 5/5 | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || * We will complete verification (or revert of patches) by this Friday for the current kernels. | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || * We will have no uploads on the 8th of April, effectively skipping one of the two week | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || cycles that we have been on. | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || * We will upload Maverick and Lucid to -proposed on Friday, April 22 | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || We still have not found the root cause of a build failure for the hppa architecture for the Hardy | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || linux-backports-modules package. This must be understood and resolved before we can release the | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || Hardy kernel packages, so if it is not resolved by the end of this week we will have to delay | 18:03 |
| sconklin | || the testing phase for Hardy until we understand it. | 18:03 |
| sconklin | .. | 18:03 |
| * tgardner is working on it... | 18:04 | |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Maverick/Lucid/Karmic/Hardy/Dapper (sconklin / bjf) | 18:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Security & bugfix kernels - Maverick/Lucid/Karmic/Hardy/Dapper (sconklin / bjf) | 18:04 |
| sconklin | || Package || Upd/Sec || Proposed || TiP || Verified || | 18:04 |
| sconklin | || || || || || || | 18:04 |
| sconklin | || dapper linux-source-2.6.15 || 2.6.15-57.94 || 2.6.15-57.95 || 0 || 0 || | 18:04 |
| sconklin | || || || || || || | 18:04 |
| sconklin | || hardy linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 || || 2.6.24.18-29.9 || 0 || 0 || | 18:04 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.24 || 2.6.24-28.47 || 2.6.24-29.49 || 0 || 0 || | 18:04 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-backports-modules-2.6.24 || 2.6.24-28.37 || 2.6.24-29.39 || 0 || 0 || | 18:04 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-meta || 2.6.24.28.30 || 2.6.24.29.31 || 0 || 0 || | 18:04 |
| sconklin | || --- linux || 2.6.24-28.86 || 2.6.24-29.88 || 3 || 3 || | 18:04 |
| sconklin | || || || || || || | 18:04 |
| sconklin | || karmic linux-ec2 || 2.6.31-308.28 || 2.6.31-308.29 || 1 || 1 || | 18:04 |
| sconklin | || --- linux || 2.6.31-23.74 || 2.6.31-23.75 || 1 || 1 || | 18:05 |
| sconklin | || || || || || || | 18:05 |
| sconklin | || lucid linux-ec2 || 2.6.32-314.27 || 2.6.32-315.28 || 5 || 4 || | 18:05 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-ports-meta || 2.6.32.30.23 || 2.6.32.31.23 || 0 || 0 || | 18:05 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-meta-lts-backport-maverick || 2.6.35.25.36 || 2.6.35.28.37 || 0 || 0 || | 18:05 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-lts-backport-maverick || 2.6.35-25.44~lucid1 || 2.6.35-28.50~lucid1 || 13 || 12 || | 18:05 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-backports-modules-2.6.32 || 2.6.32-30.29 || 2.6.32-31.31 || 0 || 0 || | 18:05 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-firmware || 1.34.4 || 1.34.7 || 1 || 1 || | 18:05 |
| sconklin | || --- linux || 2.6.32-30.59 || 2.6.32-31.60 || 5 || 4 || | 18:05 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-meta || 2.6.32.30.36 || 2.6.32.31.37 || 0 || 0 || | 18:05 |
| sconklin | || --- linux-meta-ec2 || 2.6.32.314.15 || 2.6.32.315.16 || 0 || 0 || | 18:05 |
| sconklin | || || || || || || | 18:05 |
| sconklin | || maverick linux-backports-modules-2.6.35 || 2.6.35-28.19 || 2.6.35-28.20 || 0 || 0 || | 18:05 |
| sconklin | || --- linux || 2.6.35-28.49 || 2.6.35-28.50 || 5 || 4 || | 18:05 |
| sconklin | || || || || || || | 18:05 |
| sconklin | http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/versions.html has ner-live version information | 18:05 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/versions.html has ner-live version information | 18:05 |
| sconklin | .. | 18:05 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo) | 18:06 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo) | 18:06 |
| JFo | Incoming Bugs | 18:06 |
| JFo | 453 Natty Bugs (up 94) | 18:06 |
| JFo | 1238 Maverick Bugs (up 6) | 18:06 |
| JFo | 1053 Lucid Bugs (up 8) | 18:06 |
| JFo | Current regression stats (broken down by release): | 18:06 |
| JFo | ==== regression-update ==== | 18:06 |
| JFo | * 42 maverick bugs (no change) | 18:06 |
| JFo | * 76 lucid bugs (up 1) | 18:06 |
| JFo | * 7 karmic bugs (no change) | 18:06 |
| JFo | * 0 hardy bugs (no change) | 18:06 |
| JFo | ==== regression-release ==== | 18:06 |
| JFo | * 217 natty bugs (up 55) | 18:06 |
| JFo | * 239 maverick bugs (down 3) | 18:06 |
| JFo | * 222 lucid bugs (up 1) | 18:06 |
| JFo | * 38 karmic bugs (no change) | 18:06 |
| JFo | * 2 hardy bugs (no change) | 18:06 |
| JFo | ==== regression-proposed ==== | 18:06 |
| JFo | * 10 natty bugs (up 2) | 18:06 |
| JFo | * 0 maverick bugs (no change) | 18:06 |
| JFo | * 0 lucid bugs (no change) | 18:06 |
| JFo | * 0 karmic bug (no change) | 18:06 |
| JFo | .. | 18:06 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo) | 18:07 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo) | 18:07 |
| JFo | nothing to report on until next week. | 18:07 |
| JFo | .. | 18:07 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Triage Status (JFo) | 18:07 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Triage Status (JFo) | 18:07 |
| JFo | Another pretty slow week for triage. | 18:07 |
| JFo | .. | 18:07 |
| bjf | [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/) | 18:07 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Open Discussion or Questions: Raise your hand to be recognized (o/) | 18:07 |
| bjf | thanks everyone | 18:08 |
| bjf | #endmeeting | 18:08 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 12:08. | 18:08 |
| JFo | thanks bjf | 18:08 |
| sconklin | Thanks! | 18:08 |
| sforshee | thanks bjf | 18:08 |
| fagan | o/ | 18:56 |
| * stgraber waves | 18:58 | |
| fagan | my first meeting in a month | 18:58 |
| stgraber | not that we actually had many others ;) | 19:00 |
| * wendar waves | 19:00 | |
| stgraber | last one we were only two attending | 19:00 |
| fagan | hehe | 19:00 |
| fagan | well I had tests | 19:00 |
| stgraber | I guess we might need to restaff the ARB | 19:00 |
| fagan | and now a job :) | 19:00 |
| stgraber | as pretty much everyone is busy with a lot of other things and we aren't that many on the board | 19:01 |
| fagan | well im good to go from here on in | 19:01 |
| wendar | yes, UDS should be good for that | 19:01 |
| fagan | well id be looking to continue on the board | 19:01 |
| fagan | since now I have loads of time | 19:01 |
| stgraber | cool ! | 19:01 |
| stgraber | btw, I just uploaded "news" | 19:01 |
| fagan | nice | 19:02 |
| wendar | excellent! | 19:02 |
| stgraber | it got approved a while ago. We've been waiting for IS for a few weeks to get the screenshots uploaded | 19:02 |
| maco | ARB? | 19:02 |
| fagan | maco: yep | 19:02 |
| stgraber | then I noticed a few packaging mistakes that I asked to be fixed before uploading | 19:02 |
| maco | fagan: ENOPARSE | 19:02 |
| fagan | maco: ?? | 19:02 |
| maco | oh wait i get it now | 19:02 |
| stgraber | there was just a really small packaging issue remaining but nothing that'd be a problem for the upload, so it should now be on extras.ubuntu.com soon enough | 19:03 |
| maco | application review board | 19:03 |
| ajmitch | maco: the meeting currently in progress :P | 19:03 |
| stgraber | maco: app review board | 19:03 |
| fagan | maco: hehe | 19:03 |
| wendar | maco: yes :) | 19:03 |
| * ajmitch is here for a short time before having to run to work | 19:03 | |
| wendar | #startmeeting | 19:03 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 13:03. The chair is wendar. | 19:03 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 19:03 |
| wendar | [TOPIC] Review action items | 19:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Review action items | 19:03 |
| wendar | [LINK] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard/Agenda | 19:04 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard/Agenda | 19:04 |
| wendar | some of these we just need to clear out now | 19:04 |
| wendar | like, conventions for tarballs? | 19:05 |
| wendar | any problems with deleting it? | 19:05 |
| fagan | im good with that | 19:06 |
| wendar | will do | 19:06 |
| wendar | daily-journal I found out about sideways, when we started getting failure reports on it from Natty | 19:06 |
| ajmitch | it should go, I think | 19:06 |
| wendar | it was added in Maverick as the first test app for extras | 19:06 |
| wendar | ajmitch | 19:07 |
| fagan | yeah it was | 19:07 |
| wendar | ajmitch: agreed | 19:07 |
| stgraber | +1 | 19:07 |
| fagan | +1 | 19:07 |
| wendar | but, it was apparently copied over to Natty when the Natty archive was created | 19:07 |
| ajmitch | I didn't think it was meant to be used by people, I think we can delete it from the PPA? | 19:07 |
| wendar | so, needs to be removed from natty too | 19:07 |
| fagan | wendar: probably | 19:07 |
| ajmitch | however, we have to check on what deleting it from the PPA will do to extras.ubuntu.com | 19:07 |
| wendar | does someone want to take on that task? | 19:08 |
| * fagan wouldnt know who to ask | 19:08 | |
| wendar | fagan: daily-journal was already removed from maverick? | 19:08 |
| fagan | wendar: nope | 19:08 |
| wendar | okay | 19:08 |
| ajmitch | probably start with asking mvo, he might at least know who else to talk to | 19:09 |
| * wendar looks at stgraber, for expertise in removing things from archive | 19:09 | |
| ScottK | It's probably worth a soyuz bug to now forward copy extras.ubuntu.com when a new release is created. | 19:09 |
| ScottK | ajmitch: I'd ask wgrant. | 19:09 |
| ScottK | now/not | 19:09 |
| wendar | ScottK: yes, definitely worth that | 19:09 |
| ajmitch | ScottK: right | 19:09 |
| fagan | so who wants to go do that | 19:10 |
| * ajmitch can ask him about it | 19:10 | |
| stgraber | wendar: I'd think removing it from our PPA and waiting 24h should do the trick. It won't remove it from users' machine though | 19:10 |
| wendar | thanks, ajmitch! | 19:10 |
| wendar | stgraber: I doubt many users have it installed | 19:11 |
| wendar | stgraber: this guy installed it looking for something entirely different | 19:11 |
| stgraber | if we want to remove it, we'd need to upload an empty package or something, so I guess just removing it should be fine for now | 19:11 |
| fagan | well maybe removing it from 11.04 but not maverick just to be sure? | 19:11 |
| stgraber | hmm, I only see it for natty | 19:12 |
| stgraber | https://launchpad.net/~app-review-board/+archive/ppa/+packages | 19:12 |
| fagan | I dont think it does any harm by just sitting in the archive | 19:12 |
| fagan | oh then its ok if we remove it | 19:12 |
| stgraber | mvo: ping | 19:12 |
| stgraber | mvo: the package description indicates that it's there for software-center testing | 19:13 |
| stgraber | mvo: and will be removed before release | 19:13 |
| stgraber | can we consider "before release" as == "now" ? | 19:13 |
| fagan | I think so | 19:14 |
| stgraber | and maybe find another way of testing extras.ubuntu.com in the future, even if that's to send an actual app through the review process | 19:14 |
| ScottK | I think remote removing installed applications from user machines without a very strong reason is a very good idea. | 19:14 |
| ScottK | ... is not a ... | 19:14 |
| fagan | well I think its ok for testing in dev releases | 19:14 |
| ajmitch | ScottK: I don't think we want to do that | 19:15 |
| fagan | id say it doesnt cause any harm | 19:15 |
| stgraber | ScottK: agreed | 19:15 |
| stgraber | removing from PPA now | 19:15 |
| ScottK | "Canonical remote deleting apps, just like Apple" <-- slashdot. | 19:15 |
| ScottK | Don't need that. | 19:15 |
| fagan | :) | 19:16 |
| wendar | stgraber: thanks | 19:16 |
| stgraber | ScottK: yeah, the remote removal stuff was discussed at UDS for cases where there is a serious security vulnerability and upstream doesn't provide a fix in a reasonable delay (and we can't find an ARB member willing to fix it) | 19:16 |
| * fagan remembers that | 19:17 | |
| ScottK | Yep. That's a bit different than 'oops, it shouldn't have been there and we're getting bug reports now'. | 19:17 |
| fagan | I dont think thats on a wiki somewhere | 19:17 |
| wendar | fagan: not yet | 19:17 |
| stgraber | fagan: it's probably on gobby, maybe on LP but probably not on the wiki ;) | 19:17 |
| ajmitch | stgraber: the usual breakdown in communications then | 19:18 |
| stgraber | yeah | 19:18 |
| fagan | so next? | 19:19 |
| wendar | the last action item from previous meetings is the submission guide on the wiki | 19:19 |
| wendar | which is a work in progress | 19:19 |
| wendar | (good place to add notes on possible actions for security flaws) | 19:19 |
| wendar | is it worth keeping as an action item for next time | 19:19 |
| wendar | ? | 19:19 |
| wendar | as a reminder? | 19:19 |
| fagan | wendar: id love to spec a meeting to get an api for app submission going | 19:19 |
| fagan | for the UDS | 19:19 |
| wendar | yes, good idea | 19:20 |
| wendar | we may be able to piggyback on some existing code, which would be good | 19:20 |
| fagan | yeah that would be cool | 19:20 |
| * ajmitch would like to have had reviewing going smoothly before worrying about that | 19:20 | |
| wendar | I'll tag that as an action item | 19:20 |
| wendar | ajmitch: well, we had one that went like clockwork | 19:20 |
| wendar | then it hung for over a month waiting for screenshots | 19:21 |
| fagan | ajmitch: well id say it would have to be there before the LTS release | 19:21 |
| fagan | and the review process would be sorted by then anyway | 19:21 |
| wendar | so, technology is getting in the way of the process | 19:21 |
| fagan | yeah | 19:21 |
| wendar | next, proposal reviews... | 19:22 |
| fagan | I just think it would be good to at least talk about anyway | 19:22 |
| wendar | definitely | 19:22 |
| wendar | there's been some work on the "developer console" website that was discussed at last UDS | 19:24 |
| wendar | just a start, but it has potential for our use | 19:24 |
| fagan | I dont remember that | 19:24 |
| wendar | have to poke around and find the blueprint | 19:24 |
| wendar | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdevs-n-commercial-apps | 19:26 |
| mvo | stgraber: sorry, missed the ping. indeed, just for testing we should delete it soonish | 19:26 |
| * fagan has access to canonical wiki now so can actually see that | 19:26 | |
| fagan | the wiki link I mean | 19:26 |
| wendar | hah, no reason it should be private | 19:27 |
| wendar | (and actually, the wiki is dead now anyway) | 19:27 |
| fagan | wendar: well the u1 team uses it a bit | 19:27 |
| wendar | on to proposals? | 19:28 |
| stgraber | mvo: ok, I removed it 10min ago | 19:28 |
| fagan | wendar: I havent looked into the app that im assigned to | 19:29 |
| fagan | :/ | 19:29 |
| wendar | 4dtris? | 19:29 |
| fagan | has any one else followed up? | 19:29 |
| fagan | yep | 19:29 |
| wendar | [TOPIC] Proposal Review - 4dtris (fagan) | 19:29 |
| wendar | [LINK] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-review-board/+bug/644443 | 19:29 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Proposal Review - 4dtris (fagan) | 19:29 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-review-board/+bug/644443 | 19:29 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 644443 in Ubuntu Application Review Board "Application Review Request: Basenji 0.7.1" [Undecided,Won't fix] | 19:29 |
| stgraber | I only had one app assigned to me IIRC and was waiting for a new upstream release | 19:30 |
| fagan | Yeah I havent looked at 4dtris | 19:30 |
| wendar | fagan: looks like not yet | 19:30 |
| fagan | yeah | 19:30 |
| fagan | I poked the code a little but didnt get to look down enough to give a review | 19:31 |
| stgraber | I just marked pytask as incomplete until we get a new upstream release | 19:31 |
| wendar | stgraber: good | 19:31 |
| * ajmitch was waiting for upstream to look at the packaging changes in a branch for simple-stopwatch, and had taken a look at the code of schedio | 19:32 | |
| stgraber | hmm, apparently we don't have auto-expiry turned on for ubuntu-app-review-board so we'll have to manually expire them :) | 19:32 |
| ajmitch | to be generous, schedio will take some work :) | 19:32 |
| fagan | stgraber: well that will only be needed if we had an API and a lot of reviews in the queue | 19:33 |
| wendar | stgraber: given our current speed, that's probably good | 19:33 |
| wendar | IIRC, SIR was ready to go, just waiting for screenshots | 19:33 |
| fagan | wasnt that already given the ok? | 19:34 |
| * fagan cant remember | 19:34 | |
| wendar | yes it was approved | 19:34 |
| stgraber | wendar: there's screenshots attached, it needs to be put in a branch and merged into the screenshot branch | 19:34 |
| fagan | ah thats ok | 19:34 |
| wendar | oh, it also needs the custom metadata fields | 19:34 |
| ajmitch | what sort of size limit would you put on something for code review? | 19:34 |
| fagan | ajmitch: I think thats subjective | 19:35 |
| wendar | stgraber: yes, I offered the developer to do the branch and proposal for merge, then never got to it | 19:35 |
| stgraber | ajmitch: I wouldn't give a size limit, if it feels too big/complex to you, then it's probably worth rejecting | 19:35 |
| fagan | you could have 5000 lines of really basic code or 1000 of the most complicated code | 19:35 |
| ajmitch | fagan: right, I'm just going for generalities, as I look at schedio | 19:35 |
| fagan | ajmitch: id say more than 2000 is my limit | 19:36 |
| fagan | id be a little bit afraid of missing something important in more than that | 19:36 |
| ajmitch | this one rocks in at 15k, mostly repetitive gtk+ coding, but some interesting stuff as well :) | 19:37 |
| fagan | ajmitch: if its 15k but repeating it could be acceptable | 19:37 |
| ajmitch | I'd reject it out of hand just looking at it, just don't know the polite way to do so :) | 19:38 |
| fagan | ajmitch: just say there is a complexity restriction | 19:38 |
| wendar | that it looks more appropriate to the full review process | 19:38 |
| fagan | that you are sorry but the application is just too bad for the app review process | 19:38 |
| fagan | but that they should go to the repo with it | 19:38 |
| * ajmitch has to leave in a couple of minutes, anyway | 19:39 | |
| wendar | the last two are Tibetsi and harmonySEQ | 19:40 |
| wendar | new proposals with no shepherds yet | 19:40 |
| wendar | I can take one, now that news is launched | 19:41 |
| * fagan has one | 19:41 | |
| wendar | will we get any more apps through the process before Natty is released? | 19:42 |
| fagan | I dont think we will | 19:42 |
| stgraber | just looking at tibesti, there seems to be quite a few alternatives in the archive doing a very similar job | 19:42 |
| fagan | the next meeting is the week before release | 19:42 |
| * ajmitch has to run now, will read log later | 19:43 | |
| fagan | later ajmitch | 19:43 |
| wendar | then we should switch to reviewing for entry into Natty (after release) | 19:44 |
| fagan | id say so | 19:44 |
| fagan | I dont know really id love to talk about this at the UDS | 19:44 |
| wendar | yes | 19:44 |
| stgraber | considering how long it takes to get an app in the repository, it might be worth asking the new ones if they want to apply for 10.10 or 11.04 | 19:44 |
| wendar | especially the fact that the current scheme has us re-reviewing all the apps each time | 19:45 |
| fagan | I think we should stick to the LTS release after the next LTS is released | 19:45 |
| wendar | now we've only got 2 | 19:45 |
| wendar | but next cycle, we might have 10 or so | 19:45 |
| wendar | and the cycle after that,... | 19:45 |
| fagan | and hop between LTS to LTS | 19:45 |
| wendar | fagan: that doesn't quite fit with the idea of getting apps on "the current release" | 19:46 |
| wendar | or at least, it's only half the story | 19:46 |
| stgraber | wendar: don't they have to re-apply for that ? I'm guessing part of the apps will be in the archive or superseded by something else. So it'll definitely get worse with time, but not necessarily a lot worse. | 19:46 |
| fagan | wendar: well the LTS is supposed to be the target of of apps that are going to get use for a long time | 19:46 |
| wendar | stgraber: they do have to reapply, which means we have to re-review | 19:46 |
| fagan | and id say that app developers would like to have their app in the repo for the longest time | 19:46 |
| wendar | stgraber: it should be easier than the first review, if there were no changes, though | 19:47 |
| stgraber | wendar: reviewing a new version is just a matter of checking the delta, so it should go a lot faster at least. | 19:47 |
| fagan | so if it goes to the LTS release and then gets mirrored to the normal releases (where possible) it would work | 19:47 |
| wendar | fagan: well, the idea was that ARB apps wouldn't be used for a long time... but, probably something to talk about at UDS | 19:48 |
| fagan | yeah | 19:48 |
| fagan | too bad im not traveling again | 19:48 |
| wendar | in general, UDS seems like a good time to take stock of what we've done so far | 19:48 |
| wendar | fagan: we'll get you in on IRC | 19:49 |
| fagan | wendar: yeah id love if I could go on mumble or something instead | 19:49 |
| fagan | but I suppose IRC would be ok | 19:49 |
| wendar | fagan: yeah, I think they had that set up last time too | 19:49 |
| stgraber | we can quite easily arrange using skype/mumble if listening to the stream + IRC isn't working well enough | 19:50 |
| wendar | but, we should talk on the mailing list ahead of time too | 19:50 |
| fagan | yeah well I can get stuff across by talking a lot easier than IRC | 19:50 |
| fagan | and its sometimes easy to miss stuff on IRC when talking in the room | 19:51 |
| fagan | anyway any more reviews? | 19:51 |
| wendar | that's all | 19:52 |
| fagan | cool | 19:52 |
| fagan | good meeting | 19:52 |
| wendar | who wants to chair next time? | 19:52 |
| fagan | I can do it | 19:52 |
| wendar | great, thanks! | 19:52 |
| wendar | #endmeeting | 19:53 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 13:53. | 19:53 |
| fagan | oh the mootbot got an update | 19:53 |
| * fagan hasnt seenthat | 19:53 | |
| fagan | *seen that | 19:53 |
| soren | How can you tell? | 19:59 |
| soren | fagan: ^ | 19:59 |
| fagan | soren: the time the meeting finished on | 19:59 |
| fagan | I havent seen the MootBot in so long | 19:59 |
| fagan | :) | 19:59 |
| soren | It's the same isn't it? UTC-5? | 19:59 |
| soren | A remarkably useless default, by the way. | 20:00 |
| stgraber | yeah, US central time seems quite weird ;) I'd have been fine with US eastern or UTC ... | 20:00 |
| fagan | UTC would be the most useful | 20:01 |
| soren | Yeah. I think I filed a bug about that years ago.. | 20:01 |
| fagan | years ago? | 20:01 |
| soren | Indeed. | 20:01 |
| soren | https://bugs.launchpad.net/mootbot/+bug/138905 | 20:01 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 138905 in Mootbot "Time is way off" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 20:01 |
| fagan | I didnt even think the bot did that so it doing that for years is pretty funny | 20:02 |
| soren | 3½ years ago. | 20:02 |
| fagan | soren: how did you get the half there | 20:03 |
| * fagan doesnt have that on his keyboard | 20:03 | |
| micahg | ha ha, I always thought it was local to the user, then again, I'm in its timezone | 20:03 |
| soren | Get a new keyboard. | 20:03 |
| fagan | lol | 20:03 |
| fagan | €©™§¡¡¦§≠–ºª§€©™¦ßþ¥úíóíúı¨ı´‚ó“‘ | 20:03 |
| fagan | crap | 20:03 |
| fagan | didnt mean to spam :) | 20:04 |
| highvoltage | yes you did I can see it on your face! | 20:04 |
| fagan | highvoltage: your behind me arent you :P | 20:05 |
| stgraber | fagan: Nope, I'm behind him and he only has his laptop in front of him :) | 20:07 |
| fagan | stgraber: hehe | 20:08 |
| highvoltage | omg he is really | 20:08 |
| stgraber | ;) | 20:10 |
| fagan | :) | 20:11 |
| * ajmitch wonders what odd meeting this is :P | 20:12 | |
| fagan | ajmitch: yeah but nice | 20:12 |
| vish | Canadian Cabal! | 20:18 |
| fagan | Eh? | 20:19 |
| vish | highvoltage and stgraber | 20:19 |
| fagan | vish: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCypAqZI9Yc | 20:20 |
| fagan | I meant eh as in canada eh | 20:20 |
| highvoltage | hi vish | 20:36 |
| vish | hey | 20:37 |
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