Hazmasterhmm, its going to take some time getting use to irssi i see00:01
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popeygord: open ccsm, go to window decorator, disable window decoration, it kills unity00:30
popeyi have to have an ssh session option to unity --reset00:30
popeydirecthex: what has boycott boy chosen then after his bt boycott?00:31
ali1234bt as in british telecom?00:32
popeyi see directhex discussing it on twitter00:32
ali1234a fine choice00:32
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directhexpopey, he hasn't! he signed an 18 month contract up front, and NOW is complaining they're an evil monopoly and should be boycotted00:32
HazRPGheh I boycotted BT for their interwebs for years00:33
ali1234not really a monopoly any more... they are evil though00:33
directhexali1234, not legally a monopoly in a Market 3 area!00:34
directhexali1234, not on an exchange with 8 LLU providers, plus virgin, plus all 5 mobile networks!00:34
ali1234yeah, unbundling and all that00:34
HazRPGshauno: \o/03:43
HazRPGshauno: IPv6 hates me :(03:52
shaunoI thought you were getting somewhere yesterday?  what'd you break?03:54
HazRPGit worked as a thing on one computer03:56
HazRPG(raaaaaaDVD as I'm calling it)03:56
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HazRPGshauno: wow... so we're all compiled back together again (server splits)05:36
kaushalpopey: hi05:53
kaushalis there a way to know someone has installed squid-deb-proxy server inside LAN ?05:53
kaushalI am still facing the issue05:54
kaushalinside the office05:54
kaushalHazRPG: hi05:55
HazRPGI'm not sure about that one dude05:55
kaushalI have shutdown squid-deb-proxy on server05:56
HazRPGoh, is this the updating problem?05:56
HazRPGcould you pastebin it again please?05:56
kaushalHazRPG: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/586729/05:58
HazRPGcan ya go through it quickly what you/people have done/suggested so far? (so that im not just repeating something that someone else has already tried)05:59
kaushalwhere ?05:59
HazRPGhmm, reading it like that sounds wrong05:59
HazRPGI mean what you have tried so far?06:00
kaushalwhen i am out of office network it worked06:00
HazRPGand what has people suggested?06:00
kaushalno one has suggested anything06:00
kaushalhence the question :)06:00
HazRPGright, lemmie see06:01
HazRPGim guessing from all the amd64 references it's a 64-bit machine install06:03
HazRPGand that its maverick (10.10)06:03
HazRPGright, erm... does this command fail: ping in.archive.ubuntu.com -c 506:05
HazRPGalso, why is it using in.archive.ubuntu.com anyways? I thought archive.ubuntu.com was the default :S06:06
HazRPGhmm, so its not having trouble reaching the domain...06:09
kaushalHazRPG: is there a way to remove in ?06:09
kaushalI mean "in"06:10
kaushalI tried :%s/^//.in//g06:10
HazRPGsure... gui way to do it is via update manager06:11
HazRPGclick settings->Ubuntu Software tab-> change the download drop-down to a different server06:11
HazRPGeither pick "main server" if it isn't already... or pick "other..." and select one closer to you06:14
HazRPGthen try and see if it'll update then06:15
kaushalHazRPG: still the same06:20
HazRPGwait, you said it updates fine outside of the office?06:22
kaushalI am suspecting the squid-deb-proxy server06:23
kaushalbut someone inside our office might have installed it06:23
kaushalinstead of just installing squid-deb-proxy-client06:23
kaushalHazRPG: is there a way to find ?06:26
HazRPGlooking into it now for ya dude06:27
shaunowhat does the command "avahi-browse -kprt _apt_proxy._tcp" return?06:28
shaunothat 3rd line is what's getting you; deb-squid-proxy is running on
shaunoI've a funny feeling you need to change allowed-networks-src.conf on the machine that's running the proxy06:34
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shaunoactually, no, nm; 172.26.x.x fits that06:35
shaunobut either way, that proxy either needs to work, or go away :)06:36
HazRPGsorry, I'm still messing with ipv6 stuff on this end06:38
HazRPGshauno: guessing your trying your wit at it now? (your probably the better man for the job in all honesty)06:39
shaunoHazRPG: was just trying to figure out if the apt-proxy really is running or not.  avahi thinks it is, apparently06:41
shaunoI'd be interested to try: http_proxy= wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz206:43
shaunoit'll try to grab the package list via the same proxy apt is trying to use, but should give you a more descriptive failure message06:44
shauno(all apt's telling you is that the reply is 45 bytes and makes no sense to apt)06:45
kaushalshauno: http_proxy= ?06:54
kaushalshauno: not sure i understand that06:56
kaushalwhen i do wget http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz206:56
kaushalit works fine06:56
shaunoif you put it before the wget command, wget will try to use that proxy06:59
kaushalit works fine07:00
shaunocould you pastebin what wget output when it did so?07:00
shauno(want to check it is going via the proxy, and it isn't getting a 45byte file)07:01
shaunoPackages.bz2' saved [45/45]  <= 45 bytes again07:01
shaunocould you 'cat Packages.bz2' ?  (don't worry, I strongly suspect it's not going to be bzip'd binary)07:02
kaushal<html><body><h1>It works!</h1></body></html>07:02
shauno:(  it lies!07:02
MartijnVdSthat's a vhost problem07:03
kaushalso any way to fix it ?07:04
AlanBellwrong proxy port?07:05
shauno8000's what avahi is claiming07:06
shaunohttp://pastebin.ubuntu.com/586732/  is where apt is getting the proxy details from07:06
shauno(unless I'm reading http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~squid-deb-proxy-developers/squid-deb-proxy/trunk/view/head:/apt-avahi-discover  very wrong)07:07
kaushalshauno: shall i pastebin the /etc/squid-deb-proxy/squid-deb-proxy.conf ?07:09
shaunocan't hurt; have you changed it from the packaged version?07:09
kaushalshauno: nope07:12
AlanBellkaushal: so where do you have an unconfigured apache sitting about?07:13
AlanBelllocalhost? the proxy?07:13
kaushalAlanBell: please give me a moment07:16
popeymorning all07:21
popeysounds like squid isnt running because there is already an apache running on 8000 on that box07:23
shaunodoes squid log requests somewhere?07:24
shaunoso we could check squid's log to see if http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/586740/ did hit it07:25
shauno(I'm curious if he is hitting squid, and squid is fetching 'It works' from the wrong place; or if he's hitting a webserver instead of squid)07:26
popey /var/log/squid or /var/log/squid-deb-proxy07:27
shaunoI'm also quickly reaching the limit of how many times I can say 'squid' before it ceases to seem like a real word.07:28
AlanBellkaushal: what does in a browser look like (and for anyone else, what is squid supposed to look like?)07:29
AlanBellhi TheOpenSourcerer07:29
TheOpenSourcerermorning AlanBell07:30
popeyi think we have lost him07:30
gingemm calamari07:31
gingfor breakfast07:32
gingbet they eat it somewhere07:34
TheOpenSourcererpopey: AlanBell czajkowski interesting Digital Surrey evening in April... http://www.eventbrite.com/event/1494087857/07:38
kaushalpopey: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/586747/07:39
kaushalpopey: also shall i pastebin the access.log under /var/log/squid-deb-proxy07:42
kaushali get hits07:42
kaushaldont know why its not working07:42
popeykaushal: does /etc/squid-deb-proxy/allowed-networks-src.conf look sane for your network?07:43
popeyalso mirror-dstdomain.acl in that same directory07:43
TheOpenSourcererHmm, did AlanBell fall of the internet again?07:46
* AlanBell checks07:46
popeyhttp://pastebin.com/abg958sD is mine07:46
AlanBellnope, don't think I did07:46
* popey registers for that event07:46
* AlanBell spots "there will be cake" and registers07:47
AlanBellooh I might have been on Radio 5 live this morning07:48
AlanBell(not live)07:48
TheOpenSourcererHow many more Alans could register in succession? http://www.eventbrite.com/event/1494087857/07:49
awilkinsHell is other peoples code07:50
kaushalpopey: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/586751/07:50
popeymorning awilkins07:50
MyrttiWould be interesting to know what is the volume of human sinuses07:51
popeykaushal: have you installed squid-deb-proxy-client on your client end?07:51
awilkinsI can pack three metres of paraffin soaked ribbon gauze into each nostril - and that doesnt inculde sinuses07:52
popeykaushal: what does /usr/share/squid-deb-proxy-client/apt-avahi-discover contain on the client?07:52
popeykaushal: run that file07:55
popey /usr/share/squid-deb-proxy-client/apt-avahi-discover07:55
popeyyou should get one line back07:55
popeysomething like the above07:55
popeyso avahi is working07:56
TheOpenSourcererpopey: Not sure if you still use drobo but might be interesting: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/reviews/2011/03/drobo-review-1.ars07:56
popeyso what happens if (on that same box) you do "sudo apt-get update"07:56
popeyTheOpenSourcerer: i only use my drobo to backup my macbook pro.07:57
popeyisolating the evil07:57
kaushalpopey: are you talking about ?07:57
popeykaushal: i am talking about the client07:57
popeyrun "sudo apt-get update" on the client07:57
popeynot the server07:57
kaushalits the same07:57
popeysame in what way?07:57
daubersHmm.. how can you ninja theme a blog post without it ending up sounding racist07:58
kaushalpopey: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/586763/07:58
shaunodaubers: gratuitous use of silence.07:59
daubersshauno: Not very good at getting you point across though :(08:00
awilkinsDo it in the style of like, totally flipping out and uppercutting a kid?08:00
shaunoninjas would disagree.  getting the 'point' across without making a noise is the whole point ;)08:00
awilkinsOr doing the dangle-a-thread-and-pour-poison-syrup-down-it thing.08:01
shaunopersonally, it'd either be in the third person, so you're describing what can't be seen/heard.  or just go full on Banzai and suffer the fallout :D08:02
shauno(actually, fallout may be a poor choice of words currently.  'consequences' I guess)08:02
popeykaushal: have you pastebinned the access.log from /var/log/squid-deb-proxy/ ?08:03
popeyI cant see it08:03
awilkinsFallout... And they are holding back Simpsons episodes with nuclear power disaster references....08:03
kaushalpopey: nope08:03
kaushallet me pastebin it08:03
kaushalpopey: http://paste.ubuntu.com/586765/08:12
popeykaushal: whats the IP of your client?08:14
popeykaushal: is there an apache running on the server?08:21
kaushalpopey: please give me a moment08:21
popeyi dont know where "It Works" is coming from08:23
shaunois it normal for all those log entries to be marked text/html? most the URIs they claim to be hitting are application/x-bzip208:24
* popey checks his08:25
popeythats my acces_log08:27
popeywell, a bit of it08:28
shaunoyours works fine I assume?08:28
shaunoyou're getting a load of TCP_REFRESH_HIT/30408:28
shauno304 is Not Modified, which makes total sense08:29
shaunohis are all 200's .. http 'ok'08:29
shaunoand all text/html, where yours look accurate (text for translations, app/bzip for Packages.bz2, nadda where no changes were returned)08:30
shaunothere's not another proxy between apt-proxy and the destination is there?08:30
popeykaushal: you haven't installed squid-deb-proxy-client on the server have you?08:31
shauno(eg, apt->deb-squid-proxy->mystery meat->archive.ubuntu)08:31
hoovermorning all08:32
shaunodeb-proxy shouldn't hit itself, but there is a second squid instance running in  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/586747/  which could be a concern08:33
popeymaybe some iptables trying to transparently proxy?08:34
popeykaushal: have you done anything with iptables on this box (the server)08:34
* popey tickles czajkowski with http://www.eventbrite.com/event/1494087857/08:36
DJonesMorning all08:39
kaushalpopey: please give me a moment08:40
DJonespopey: What was the website you've previously recommended for the cheaper thinkpads08:41
popeylooks like they have shutdown08:42
DJonesAh well, never mind, I'll keep looking for a laptop then08:43
popeykaushal: remove squid-deb-proxy-client from the server, it should not be installed08:43
popeykaushal: also, see my other questions about iptables and apache?08:44
shaunoI can't figure out why it's giving the right IP for archive., but hitting something else.  most curious08:44
popeyi suspect iptables08:44
AlanBellunless the it works is coming from archive somehow08:44
popey08:53 < kaushal> I am using iptables and applying rules at command line08:45
popey08:53 < kaushal> after setting rules i did iptables-save and when i do iptables -L08:45
popey08:57 < kaushal> iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 312808:45
popey09:14 < kaushal> iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 312808:45
popeycase closed08:45
shaunohah, score.  so what's on 3128?  (please, please be a misconfigured apache)08:45
popey(or maybe not)08:45
popeyprobably apache in proxy mode08:46
shaunoit's not his second squid, he has that on 400408:46
popeywe dont know whats changed since that conversation tho08:46
shaunoso far it's making my home setup look clean & tidy :)08:48
popeyTheOpenSourcerer: at those digital surrey things do people have name badges? :)08:56
kaushalpopey: please give me a moment08:57
MooDoohello all09:00
smittixMorning MooDoo09:05
MooDoohow are you smittix ?09:10
smittixNot too bad, hows you?09:16
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MooDoosmittix: yeah i'm ok thanks, shutting down facebook for a few weeks :D09:16
smittixMooDoo: I deactivated my account a while back now :/09:17
MooDoosmittix: i did, but like a rash it kept coming back :)09:18
oimonany android owners discover that their phone turned itself on last night? wife & I both turned phones off and the both turned on around 6am today (no alarms in use)..weird09:18
MooDoooimon: not here, then again i don't turn mine off09:19
davmor2oimon: are you running an official version of 2.2.1 on your phone?09:19
oimondavmor2: yes09:19
oimonon HTC Desire09:19
JGJonesoimon, Never happened to me. Sleepwalking? :-)09:20
davmor2oimon: that could be your issue,  although it only reboots here not switch off fullstop09:20
oimonboth were defeintely off at 10pm09:21
davmor2morning all by the way09:22
DJonesoimon: Desire HD here, no problem with it switching off last night09:24
smittixMooDoo: heh, I had to, I was sick of reading people's problems09:25
DJonesoimon: sorry, just reread that, mine doesn't get switched off, so i wouldn't notice it switching on09:25
oimonDJones: leaving it on seems to be a popular thing09:26
DJonesoimon: Yes, I just charge overnight on the bedside cabinet09:26
oimonsounds quite close to your head09:27
DJonesAbout a foot away, but on silent09:27
oimoni was amazed at the number of people who relied on iphone alarms after the last 2 DST bugs09:28
tugriklast 2?  Was there another one last weekend or did I miss one from before?09:29
kaushalpopey: back again09:29
tugrik( "good morning" btw )09:29
MartijnVdStugrik: iphone alarm has been buggy for at least a year09:29
kaushalsorry could not continue with the discussion09:29
oimontugrik: , yes another problem at the weekend,09:30
shaunoodd, I didn't notice any problems this weekend  (I did rig up a plan B tho)09:30
kaushalso i have a gateway which runs squid server and shorewall09:32
kaushalI have setup squid-deb-proxy on a server which is behind the gateway09:33
kaushali cannot install squid-deb-proxy on the gateway since its 9.04 server09:33
kaushalso i have set it up inside a lan which is
kaushalso on server which runs squid-deb-proxy09:34
popeykaushal: the problem is almost certainly because you have iptables configured to forward port 80 on that box to 312809:34
kaushaloh ok09:35
kaushalyou mean on gateway ?09:35
popeyi dont know what boxes, I've just noticed in the past you've setup iptables to forward port 80 to 312809:36
kaushalyes on the gateway it is09:36
shaunoI'm curious why wget works and squid doesn't, if the gateway's proxying transparently09:36
kaushalbut not on the squid-deb-proxy server09:37
oimonkaushal: probably the best thing to do is, dump the output of iptables-save into pastebin, and also draw a picture of the network09:37
MartijnVdSdrawing pictures \o/09:37
oimonotherwise it's just guesswork09:37
oimonand also the squid config and any other relevant configs. since that's what an engineer would look at if he visisted09:38
shaunolong-term, I'd consider moving the gateway to 10.04 too.  9.04 is end-of-life'd, so you've got a box in a critical position that's no longer guaranteed security updates09:38
kaushalpopey: is there a squid-deb-proxy debian package available for 9.04 ?09:38
kaushalits 10.04 and further release ?09:39
kaushalshauno: makes sense09:39
oimon10.04 is a long term support release09:39
oimonit will last longer than 10.10 support09:39
kaushalshauno: so on 10.04 i can install squid-deb-proxy ?09:40
shaunothat's why I suggest 10.04.  5 years support in a server role, and squid-deb-proxy is available09:40
shaunokaushal: yes09:40
oimon!info squid-deb-proxy lucid09:40
lubotu3squid-deb-proxy (source: squid-deb-proxy): Squid proxy configuration optimized for deb packages. In component universe, is extra. Version (lucid), package size 4 kB, installed size 88 kB09:40
popeythere's not much to it, it could be backported, but 9.04 is old09:41
shaunoprobably not an upgrade you want to do on a whim, but worth thinking about at some stage, since 9.04 ended support last october09:41
popeyso little point backporting to 9.0409:41
kaushalso on 10.04 i run transparent proxy squid09:42
kaushaland shorewall and samba and postfix09:42
kaushalso on this i have to just install squid-deb-proxy ?09:42
kaushalI mean if i am upgrading my gateway to 10.0409:43
shaunothat's what I'd do, personally.  (but tested on a spare machine first, you don't want to play rough with your gateway & mailserver :)09:43
HazRPGI came into this convo a lil too late, but what I do is test things on both a VM first, then a spare machine, then migrate - that way you can mess it up all you want and you'll have a pretty good knowledge of what your doing when you actually come to do it09:45
shaunomore short term, I'd start looking at squid's logs on the gateway to find out why .23 is receiving the wrong files09:45
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popeykaushal: well, when I originally suggested using squid-deb-proxy I had kinda assumed you were using a supported version of Ubuntu :)09:46
kaushali would set up a 10.04 gateway09:47
* daubers gets the skype beating stick out09:48
* willy_1977_atwor appears to have left irc running at home and can't get no 1 nick choice back yet...09:49
gordghost yourself?09:49
willy_1977_atworgord, ended up doing a release...09:49
willy_1977_atworwonder if ghost would work now... hmmm.09:50
shaunossh home :p09:50
willy_1977_atworshauno, not set up yet... :( I'm new leave me alone :p09:50
danfishno natty t-shirts in the store yet :(09:51
willy_1977_atworyes good point danfish, good morning hope everyone is as well as can be.09:51
willy_1977_atworshauno, on the ssh thingy... know any good guides to setting it up? or anyone for that matter?09:52
shaunowilly_1977_atwor: mostly the same as anything else.  install openssh-server, port forward on your router so you can reach it.  the fun is trying to tidy it up so you don't get chinese "visitors" knocking on it all day long09:55
DJones!ssh | willy_1977_atwor09:55
lubotu3willy_1977_atwor: SSH is the Secure SHell protocol, see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH for client usage. PuTTY is an SSH client for Windows; see: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ for it's homepage. See also !scp (Secure CoPy) and !sshd (Secure SHell Daemon)09:55
mfraz74Morning Laura09:55
DJoneswilly_1977_atwor: That first link has a lot of good info in it09:55
willy_1977_atworthanks shauno, DJones09:55
willy_1977_atwormorning czajkowski.09:56
MooDoomorning czajkowski how are you this fine day?09:57
* popey pokes czajkowski with http://www.eventbrite.com/event/1494087857/09:57
HazRPGshauno: woot!09:57
HazRPGshauno: MartijnVdS managed to help show me the errors of my ways with the whole ipv609:58
oimonsaw this picture over someone's shoulder on the train and thought it was a narwhal..you have to look closely to see that's not it's horn/spike http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/24/article-0-0B504A8100000578-276_306x637.jpg09:58
czajkowskiMooDoo: like I could lie on the floor and have someone jump up and down on my back09:58
czajkowskipopey: oh interesting...09:58
* popey is going09:58
czajkowskibut in Guilford09:58
* czajkowski looks at trains 09:58
JamesTaitAnd it's good morning from me. :)09:58
MooDooczajkowski: oh dear that good eh!09:59
oimonwhich venue in guildford?09:59
popeyclick the link09:59
oimonhey, the stoke pub?09:59
* oimon knows it well09:59
oimonbeen to wedding reception out the back, that must be where the event is held10:00
HazRPGJamesTait: sup dude \o10:00
JamesTaitHi HazRPG. :)10:01
mfraz74Think the install has hung :(10:02
* davmor2 volunteers to hit czajkowski back with a lump hammer, but only if it'll help :)10:03
MooDoodavmor2: get in the queue10:03
willy_1977_atworsomeone could get hurt doing that.10:04
MooDoowilly_1977_atwor: nah :D10:04
willy_1977_atworjust watch you don't get your fingers in the way...10:04
mfraz74Doesn't it say wear a hard hat on the handles somewhere?10:04
davmor2MooDoo: what you have a lump hammer10:04
MooDoodavmor2: yup, although i'm quite big, i might just jump on her10:05
davmor2MooDoo: that sounds so wrong!10:05
willy_1977_atworI thought this was a family channel you're on about jumping her now... does she not get a say?10:05
MooDoowilly_1977_atwor: er on her....be careful :)10:05
mfraz74only afterwards10:06
willy_1977_atworjust to be clear...I do but jest...  no offense meant to anyone...10:06
MooDoowilly_1977_atwor: we know :D10:06
* davmor2 gives czajkowski a hug and hopes her poorly back gets better soon10:07
* willy_1977_atwor is glad10:07
hooverhey biggie10:07
bigcalmHi hoover10:07
MooDoodavmor2: i know all about back ache, being tall is a pin the neck sometimes :D10:07
oimonmy predecessor purchased 4 x inspiron XPS laptops with the infamous nvidia chips in..last one has just died after 3yrs. first one died after one year. i don't know how we don't deserve product recalls on those items10:08
davmor2MooDoo: it is indeed.  lower back and neck from constantly looking down to talk to people10:08
MooDoodavmor2: yup on a daily basis, think i'll chop my legs off lol10:09
willy_1977_atwordavmor2, MooDoo: it's not much fun being short and round either10:09
willy_1977_atworI'm fed up of talking to peoples belly buttons...I'm not that short just in land of the giants at work...10:09
DJoneswilly_1977_atwor: Just make people crawl round on their knee's10:10
mfraz74Is there going to be a Laura A and Laura B in tonight's podcast?10:11
willy_1977_atworDJones: why didn't I think of that... and it'll help them too they don't have to look down anymore... "ok they get carpet fitters knee" but... small price for them to pay for my happiness and well being I reckon ;)10:11
* shauno thinks someone's taking A/B testing to an illogical extreme ;)10:12
willy_1977_atworshauno: alice and bob testing?10:12
oimonis there a shortcut for "show me the . files" in nautilus?10:17
oimonthanks popey10:17
czajkowskiwell there can't be a Laura C or a laura C as we both have C for our surnames10:17
czajkowskiwhoo dutchie is here :D10:19
MooDooczajkowski: but you're laura c (ztab) :)10:19
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bigcalmWho do I have to pay to get more sleep?10:22
MartijnVdSbigcalm: yourself? :)10:23
MartijnVdS(by accepting a pay cut and working fewer hours/day)10:23
bigcalmMartijnVdS: that would mean me doing more work10:23
DJonesbigcalm: You can pay me, but sleep isn't a guarantee10:23
MartijnVdSDJones: wink, wink?10:24
bigcalmI kind of like my salery10:24
DJonesMartijnVdS: 40 winks :)10:24
MartijnVdSDJones: ah, is that's what it's called these days ;)10:25
bigcalmPower naps10:25
willy_1977_atworpower naps are the future! like garlic bread.10:26
BigRedSthat's one of the best sentences I've read in a while10:27
oimona 15 min power nap on the train home is better than an extra hour of sleep at night10:27
BigRedSmostly because there's not a lot else to do on the train?10:28
willy_1977_atworoimon: unless of course you sleep past your station...10:28
willy_1977_atworthen the restful sleep becomes a nightmare!10:28
oimonits chilly today :(10:37
shaunowilly_1977_atwor: there's an app for that!(tm)10:39
MartijnVdSthere's a nap for that10:39
willy_1977_atworshauno: cool!10:40
shaunoand debconf in aubergine is funky indeed10:43
BigRedShah, yeah, I saw that announcement10:44
BigRedSI find that blue quite friendly...10:44
BigRedSslashdot's lost its green, debconf its blue...10:44
shaunoit's just overly familiar. dos's installer was white(+yellow) on blue10:45
shaunonot complaining, it just jumps out as being different10:45
oimon"James Gosling, father of the Java programming language, has announced that he has begun working at Google"10:46
willy_1977_atworoimon: yeah I heard that...10:47
=== willy_1977_atwor is now known as willy_1977
* willy_1977 has his nick back woot!10:47
bigcalmwilly_1977: you could have ghosted the other instance10:47
bigcalmIf you have registered the nick that is10:48
willy_1977bigcalm: it wasn't having that...10:48
willy_1977so I ended up doing a release10:48
willy_1977which then meant the ghost command was redundant (if I'm reading the response from nickserv right)10:48
shaunoyeah, you can't ghost once you've done recover/release.  it changes the nick of the client using it, then marks the nick in use by services (for 60 seconds?)10:50
willy_1977bigcalm: the background was I left irc running at home (have no connection to there as yet) so had to kill off that session first ;)10:52
willy_1977shauno: thought as much.10:52
shaunothen you can't ghost it because you'd be asking services to disconnect services :o)10:52
bigcalmI see10:53
bigcalmwilly_1977: dyndns + port forwarding :)10:53
willy_1977bigcalm: added to list of things to read up on :D10:56
HazRPGtime to sleep11:04
HazRPGbeen up WAY too many days now11:04
screen-x  HazRPG sleeeeep!11:05
willy_1977HazRPG: enjoy the sleep11:05
bigcalmwilly_1977: if you do port forwarding to ssh, I suggest that you have the external port away from the default sshd one.11:05
HazRPGerr... night/morning? :P I'll no doubt be back online later in the evening/night time.11:05
HazRPGscreen-x: idd!11:05
HazRPGwilly_1977: thanks :)11:05
willy_1977bigcalm: makes sense.11:06
bigcalmI have mine in the 2#### region11:06
* DJones portscans all 2#### numbers11:07
willy_1977DJones: :)11:07
HazRPGBigRedS: not sure if your about, but I have written a quick draft up about setting up ipv6 and shall be posting it up at some point in the evening/night time when I get up. Hope you'll find it useful :). I have MartijnVdS and shauno to thank for all their help :).11:08
HazRPGsee ya later everyone o/11:08
bigcalmDJones: good luck with that11:08
DJonesAlthough it still doesn't help because I don't know the ip to scan against, so I'm just scanning random machines on www11:08
bigcalmThis is why I donate to pdpc11:08
BigRedSHazRPG: Awesome! Cheers!11:09
shaunoI keep mine on 443, because it doesn't tend to get filtered places, but it's just enough to drop a huge amount of random attempts11:09
shaunokey-only logins for security, less obvious port for making logs quieter11:09
BigRedSI listen on 22 & 443, but firewall 22 off to all but a few trusted IPs11:10
BigRedSkeeps things straightforward for me, and workable for the other people on my box :)11:10
HazRPGBigRedS: no problem dude :) - laters11:10
bigcalmThat's find if you have static IP addresses. I love my VM cable connection too much to move to an ADSL connection with static IP11:14
daubers\o/ static ip11:15
daubers /o\ stpid nslu211:16
daubersHmm.. house is currently consuming 89 watts11:16
X3Nis that good or bad?11:16
daubersX3N: means the heatings switched off11:16
daubersCan't remember if I did that on purpose or not11:17
DJonesI don't think a static ip is as important, I never have any problems with a dynamic ip, although saying that it doesn't change very often due to the hardware running 24/711:17
X3Nis that basically house idle ?11:17
daubersX3N: More or less, just my networking stuff running11:17
Oli```Anybody know where best to file a bug against the open source ATI video drivers?11:17
X3NOli```: find the package that provides them and file a bug against that package in launchpad11:18
X3Nseems like quite a lot daubers11:18
daubersX3N: That includes the fridge/freezer mind you11:20
daubers(two seperate appliances)11:20
X3Nah yeah11:20
X3Njust one of those in running mode could give you 85w alone11:20
oimondaubers: i can usually get under 60W at night11:20
oimoni switch off my wifi at night11:24
bigcalmThat's tempting11:26
MooDoooimon: how come?11:26
MooDoosorry ignore that11:26
* dogmatic69 has 2.4 *MB* /s download \o/11:27
davmor2MooDoo: D'oh11:29
daubersoimon: I have 2 HDD's, two servers and the router running 24/711:32
dauberswant to get a GbE switch and a wireless access point turn the router into a dumb modem at some point, as the switch on it is _rubbish_11:32
MooDoodavmor2: ?11:33
davmor2just read the scrollback, "oimon: how come?"11:33
MooDoodavmor2: ah, i came in halfware through a conversation....again :D11:34
davmor2MooDoo: ^11:34
davmor2MooDoo: :D11:34
MooDooraaaaaaaaa windows viruses11:34
davmor2MooDoo: simple solution, don't use windows :D11:35
MooDoodavmor2: i don't, family does11:35
davmor2MooDoo: at least not while it's easier to use doors11:35
MooDoodavmor2: i'm trying to persuade them to switch,but they are not interested11:36
dogmatic69nothing like 1200mb download in less than 10min11:36
gordpopey, ping11:37
computerxAnyone fancy helping me with a wired network, marked as down, and ifup eth0 says "Ignoring unknown interface..."11:39
popeygord: pong11:43
oimondavmor2: MooDoo: cos i don't leave stuff on overnight11:45
oimonno computers or phones need to talk to internet overnight. the only stuff i leave on is the baby night light , clock radio alarm, and pvr11:45
oimonand the fridge&freezer :)11:47
DJonesoimon: That would mean getting out of bed to check your email first thing in the morning :)11:47
oimonor use 3G11:47
DJonesTrue, but that uses my mobile bandwidth, wifi is unlimited11:48
oimonbaby and doggy generally get me up rather abruptly anyway..my wifi is usually on before my phone11:48
oimonexcept for the nocturnal spookiness last night with the 6am android wake-up11:50
DJonesI don't have the baby problem, our dog normally sleeps until one of us gets up11:50
oimonnot a jack russell then DJones?11:50
DJones:) Nope11:51
oimonas soon as dog hears me thinking about getting out of bed she turns into hyper doggy11:51
oimoncharges round the house to see everyone, runs into the garden , and then goes to bed for another 2 hrs11:52
gordpopey, what happed with the pink tint bug last night? did you guys find a fix?11:52
willy_1977DJones: our greyhound is the same as your dog...11:52
popeygord: not sure, i am not a coder, i left a comment on the bug11:53
willy_1977gord: it's assigned to me currently - a note was put that it was fixed upstream11:53
popeybut it looked sensible11:53
popeylooks like the drawing of the box is done asynchronously11:53
popeywhich seems silly11:53
willy_1977or downstream err... I get confused...11:53
DJoneswilly_1977: Seem to find that bigger dogs are more relaxed and sleep longer, little ones get hyper very easily11:53
gordpopey, willy_1977 - okay if its not a compiz issue then out of my hands really - someone be sure to bring it up in -desktop so someone actually looks at it :)11:54
willy_1977anyhow - the temp fix (e.g. the time pause) was already in the main gnome-utils dev branch (unless I've read it wrong) but I did only get chance to browse over it11:54
oimonbtw i had a discussion last week about whether to charge students for copies of mathematica for use at home/laptops . i decided to give them for free :)11:55
gordhrm 3ds sd cards are formatted fat 16, i guess they want compatibility with people living in 199411:56
popeywilly_1977: the time delay isnt for the box11:56
popeywilly_1977: the delay was added because the tool was taking screenshots of itself11:56
oimonmy area is full of chav dogs now.. they all want to eat my dog and my baby11:58
willy_1977popey: ah, ok - I'll have a proper look later tonight12:01
willy_1977popey: unless I get chance to look at lunchtime...12:02
czajkowskiupgrade to natty nearly there....12:04
MooDooczajkowski: any issues?12:07
czajkowskinot yet12:08
czajkowskistill installing...12:08
willy_1977MooDoo: I upgraded over the weekend... went ok, then hit a kernel panic on restart - not sure if there's anything I can do to reproduce...fixed relatively easy by going to recover and rebuilding grub.cfg12:09
MooDooas long as it's ok now :D12:09
willy_1977yeah seems fine... not on it right now as I'm at work but it's been fine...12:09
gordgeeeez, i forgot how slow class 2 sd cards are. its like being on dialup!12:10
gordwell if dialup was 24mbit but still12:10
JGJonesHmm - was looking at that Amazon's announcement of cloud music playing and there being claimed it's the first to do it?12:19
dogmatic69is using "tar cvpjf backup.tar.bz2 --exclude=/proc --exclude=/lost+found --exclude=/backup.tar.bz2 --exclude=/mnt --exclude=/sys /" on an instance-store on aws and then "tar xvpfz backup.tgz -C /" on an ebs ok?12:19
JGJonesWas wondering...doesn't Ubuntu One already does that?12:20
dogmatic69ive done it all and now cant seem to access this new ebs box12:20
gordJGJones, yup12:21
oimonJGJones: that's apples tactic. make wild claims and only correct it if you're forced to12:22
JGJonesHmm, typical...those with the money to splash out on PR get to do this12:22
JGJonesUbuntu One just need one thing - the ability for me to purchase music via my phone (like Amazon MP3 does)12:23
gordJGJones, isn't the music store just a website? seems to be one when i'm buying stuff in banshee, maybe you can just use the phone browser12:24
willy_1977_hasbebut... that does sound like a good idea to be suggested somewhere12:25
JGJonesgord, yes you could - but having a dedicated app is much easier - I'll end up just using amazon mp3 to buy songs on the move instead (much easier)12:26
=== willy_1977_hasbe is now known as willy_1977
JGJonesanyway what's the address for the music store? :-)12:26
brobostigongood afternoon everyone.12:30
willy_1977brobostigon: afternoon12:30
brobostigonwilly_1977: good afternoon.12:31
shaunohttp://www.7digital.com/stores/default.aspx?shop=496  appears to be the tidiest url I can find :/12:32
willy_1977JGJones I like that suggestion, not that I've used ubuntu one or owt but... nice little project I'd have thought - although going through the iphone hoops to get onto the appstore... :/12:36
shaunoI think it's already on the appstore?12:36
willy_1977ahhh ok, so someone has done a client for it?12:40
czajkowskiupgraded work machine to natty....12:40
czajkowskilooks very different from home machine12:40
shaunowilly_1977: if I search the store on my phone, it comes up with https://one.ubuntu.com/mobile/  .. but it doesn't make clear whether you can purchase tracks thru it or not12:41
willy_1977czajkowski: does that mean you are using unity?12:41
willy_1977shauno: just searched here too... doesn't make it clear it's not in there but it's not listed as a feature...12:42
czajkowskiwilly_1977: yes12:44
czajkowskiI dislike how once again chrome has removed all of my passowrds and logsin12:44
willy_1977doesn't sound so good...12:44
gorddoesn't chrome sync passwords/logins?12:44
gordi thought it at least synced that12:45
czajkowskigord: it should do...12:45
czajkowskibut on upgrade fro maverick to natty, all my login details are gone12:45
gordlets hoped it hasn't synced that reset of passwords to your other chrome installs...12:46
popeylastpass ftw12:50
czajkowskimmmmmm tasty spag bol12:51
dwatkinsI'm hungry now, czajkowski ;)12:51
willy_1977on unity my first thoughts are why isn't this there, and where's that gone etc. etc. but to be fair when work switched from xp to windows vespa it was the same...and I finally got used to it ;)12:53
czajkowskidwatkins: I suggest food12:59
dwatkinsczajkowski: indeed, lots of it13:12
willy_1977hummm how long does the podcast live show usually last for? I'm just wondering if I can catch any of it tonight as I'll not be back to 2130 at the earliest.13:16
popey1 hour13:16
popeyif we stick to the clock13:16
willy_1977ah ok, will have to pick it up on gpodder then.13:16
shaunoman I hate dealing with registrars13:23
shauno54 quid to retag a .uk domain?  nominet will do it for 10 :/13:23
MooDooshauno: get nominet to do it then :D13:26
shaunoI did :)  figured out how to do that when my last registrar pulled a funny one13:26
shaunothey somehow forgot to autorenew, then told me I had a chance at winning it back at auction13:28
MooDooshauno: that's crap13:28
shaunonominet have a grace period, my name was still on it, so I retagged it myself for a tenner13:28
MooDooshauno: yeah nominet are pretty good13:29
shaunothey are.  I've been pleasantly surprised every time I've had to deal with them13:29
MooDooshauno: wish i could afford to be a tag holder myself :)13:30
DJonesI'd have thought they would just have a computerised system which does automatically reminded the customer to pay & if received submitted the relevant doumentation13:30
shaunothey'd just chipped it off my card for years in a row.  then one year, just didn't13:32
AlanBellsome ISPs allow other people to pay outstanding fees for domains13:32
shaunomakes sense to me.  it's not like you can maliciously pay someone else's fare :)13:33
DJonesThats got me thinking though, what happens to domains that aren't renewed, do they just become available again or does they get passed on to domain squatters etc13:33
AlanBellI once paid for the gravatar.com domain for a year when it went down and broke everyone's blog comment avatars13:33
AlanBelltraced it back to the ISP, saw the outstanding payment, paid $5, fixed the internet13:33
shaunoDJones: they're meant to just get released, but people intentionally watch expiring domains13:34
shauno(assuming no funny business)13:34
hamitronand ones you want never expire13:35
popeywhen i registered my company I wanted the .IT domain, someone registered it the day I setup my company!13:35
popeyso i thought I'd go for the .com, which was idle, contacted the owner and they wanted $3K for it13:36
popey"no thanks"13:36
shauno.it used to be a bit evil, but they've relaxed now13:36
popeythen I got some paper spam from a domain company saying that .com was gone, but we could register a .ltd.uk for you13:36
popeyso i thought "thanks" and went elsewhere to get it :D13:36
DJonesI'm not thinking about the popular domain names, maybe more somebodys personal website were the address wouldn't be on a watch list, eg www.tomsmithhobbies.co.uk etc, I presume something like that would just get released13:37
AlanBellOops! Google Chrome could not find www.tomsmithhobbies.co.uk13:37
DJonesAlanBell: Must have been released :)13:37
hamitronAB automatically clicks on every link? ;)13:38
DJonesI'm waiting for a big multinational to introduce a product worldwide with a name that fits a personal website so I can sell them the name for shedloads of money :)13:38
popeyin screen, CTRL+A, C blanks the screen13:39
popeythen CTRL+L redraws13:39
popey(i accidentially had caps lock on, wanted little c)13:39
DJonesIsnt Ctrl+A C Create new window, or is it the caps lock C thats case sensitive13:40
AlanBellctrl+a c creates a new window?13:40
popeyDJones: C clears, c creates new window13:40
AlanBellooh, very odd13:40
AlanBellwhy would you want to do that?13:41
hamitronsome command line apps don't always work well maybe?13:42
hamitronI remember having problems with epic in screen once13:43
DJonesI guess it could be useful if you want to hide what you're doing when somebody looks over your shoulder & then redraw once they've gone away13:43
oimonnoticed a ballot paper on my pile of unopened post the other day ..anyone know what it's for (i'm inside london)13:43
DJonesLocal elections?13:43
DJonesAlternative vote vote?13:44
hamitronis that this year?13:44
seekerIt will be for the AV referendum13:44
DJoneshamitron: Early may I think13:45
X3NMay 6th I think13:45
oimoni have a feeling it's just for the PR vote thing.. and no actual elections13:45
DJones5th May13:45
oimonturnout is gonna be pretty small for that then13:45
hamitronAV, not PR ;/13:45
oimonsame gubbins though13:46
DJonessame day as local elections, but electoral register doesn't close until 14th April, so unlikely to be for either of them13:46
seekeroimon: Most of the country other than central London has local elections too13:46
oimonseeker - they should get the normal 50% ish turnout then..but inside london?13:47
oimonmaybe they should have a facebook referendum13:48
hamitronto ban facebook?13:48
oimonhold the referendum on facebook13:48
willy_1977Should we ban facebook?13:48
hamitronwill we? no :/13:48
* oimon likes facebook13:48
* willy_1977 and facebook are going thorugh a messy separation...13:49
hamitronif you held a referendum to ban facebook on facebook, prob not work well :/13:49
oimonwhen you get to the stage in life that a lot of your friends are getting married and having kids, it's nice to see them growing up via photos on facebook, especially if you only get to see them once a year or less13:49
hamitronI like walking to the polling station, there are 4 pubs on route13:49
DJonesRather than banning facebook, maybe just ban the games on it & take facebook back to its original idea13:50
hamitronI personally hate the idea of communicating through facebook13:50
oimoni do like the facility to ban certain apps from your list..shame you cant ban all by default though13:50
hamitrona lot of people are using facebook and getting lazy13:50
shaunohamitron: it gets better .. there's another 4 pubs on the way home :)13:51
hamitronshauno: exactly :)13:51
hamitronI try to go to vote each day, do my bit for the country13:51
hamitrononly they aren't open that often13:52
JGJonesoimon, I've just closed my profile to everyone (ie all permissions set to me only) and the next step is to delete my account. The reasoning? Seeing people getting lazy thinking that a status update on facebook is "communicating"13:52
oimonJGJones: it is communicating though.13:52
hamitronoimon: it isn't13:52
JGJonesoimon, No it's not.13:52
DJonesseeker: Any idea why central london isn't/doesn't have local elections13:52
willy_1977oimon: I agree in the respect of social sharing for distance friends etc. but facebook has just morphed into some beast...13:52
JGJonesoimon, a emotionless text status box tell me nothing.13:52
oimonthen when i meet friends , i've caught up with a few factoids about what's happening with them, and we can engage in decent conversation.13:52
oimonit's more of a social lubricant than alcohol13:53
hamitronthis year I've found out off a few people they haven't received my xmas cards for a few years.... because they tell "everyone" their change of address on facebook13:53
shaunoI find facebook's the easiest way for me to have random natters with family members now.  that's worth summat to me13:53
oimonsometimes you find out bad news via facebook that means it's not awkward when you pile into a conversation and didn't know about the bad news13:54
hamitronthey also post "merry xmas everyone!" and consider that a replacement to hand writing xmas cards/letters13:54
* hamitron grunts13:54
seekerDJones: No idea13:54
JGJonesoimon, um, finding out bad news leading to people avoiding the subject when meeting face to face? Not ideal.13:54
DJoneshamitron: Thanks for that idea, thats just save me £10 in postage13:55
oimonJGJones: it means you are informed13:55
oimonshame to hear about your miscarriage is better than, i see your bump is getting bigger, when's it due again?13:55
JGJonesFrankly I find it more pleasant to meet people and then finding out NEW things by the pleasure of them telling me. That's priceless and should not be replaced by a bland generic text based page.13:55
* hamitron agrees with JGJones13:56
JGJonesoimon, yes I would prefer that actually. Allowing people to TALK about it help the healing process.13:56
popeyhamitron: are you on facebook?13:56
hamitronpopey: no13:56
willy_1977oimon: I'd say you're wrong there...13:56
popeyme neither13:56
oimoni've seen it work well. i have huge number of family members, and i feel we all get on better knowing a bit more about the triviliaties in our lives since it helps us to catch up and converse13:56
* MooDoo has just deactivated his :)13:57
oimonwhen there's a big family do13:57
hamitronI refuse to be dragged into a site that people want me to join, just cuz they are too lazy to write me a letter.... if I mean that little to them, I don't need them13:57
* popey starts the timer on when MooDoo will be back on facebook13:57
JGJonesInstead of avoiding the subject (case in point - step brother of mine have just had a miscarriage - his friends that found out by facebook doesn't talk about it = "it doesn't exist". Those that found out in person, talk about with them - guess which they prefer).13:57
oimoni'm talking about wider family13:57
MooDoopopey: one month when i've passed my exam :)13:57
willy_1977yes there's the inital oh bother but what happened bfb?13:57
willy_1977*before facebook13:57
DJonesProbably 95% of facebook messages wouldn't be posted there if children had their parents as friends :)13:58
MooDooDJones: http://failbook.failblog.org/13:58
oimonDJones: it's a good way to check your status messages13:58
JGJonesoimon, heh - my wife's irish....they  have a huge family (everyone's a cousin or something) :-) - They all talk and catch up on EVERYTHING...all without needing Facebook too :-)13:58
hamitronbefore facebook..... everyone talked more, so word would of spread faster by mouth13:58
shaunoI've siblings spread from here to alaska.  without sharing natters online, it'd spread much, much slower13:59
oimoni find it hard to communicate with uncles/aunts and some cousins, (around 65 of them) all at once otherwise.13:59
willy_1977my revelation was as I was updating my status whilst taking a dump... I thought what the fluff am I doing...it was taking over my life!!!! man... I'm sad!13:59
oimonwilly_1977: yeah, that's what twitter is for!14:00
hamitronshauno: there is a place for some communication ofc14:00
DJonesI've got my wifes cousin 18 year old cousin on facebook, her parents would have been horrified at things she's put on their over the last couple of years14:00
JGJonesNow with friends - I have found this to be true - they say "oh did you hear about xxxx on facebook?" - everyone say yeah. Conversation at that point end within a minute. I say "I haven't" as they know I don't use it. They all talk about it a lot more suddenly.14:00
JGJonesSo in a sense, knowing something before meeting people just kill conversations - it's covered already.14:00
hamitrongood old "catch up" convos :)14:01
BigRedSwell, that's just everyone else having already had the conversation14:01
BigRedSthat happens in real life, too14:01
willy_1977oimon: I've not bothered with twa... errr twitter in a while either14:01
hamitronposting a line of text on facebook is not a convo :/14:01
hamitronit is just a way of passing on a message14:01
BigRedSbut if one person posts a line, and then someone else posts another, and a third person yet another, then one of the first two reply, and then one of the other two do, too, once that repeats it gets pretty close to a conversation14:02
oimoni'm not too prolific on facebook but i like posting photos14:02
JGJonesTry going cold turkey with facebook for a while = does it really affect your relationship with your friends/family? My guess are it won't make a difference :-)14:02
JGJonesYour mum's still your mum after all ;-)14:02
JGJones(at least I would hope so!)14:02
oimonmy extended family love to see photos of my kid, otherwise i'd have to spam them all via email14:02
hamitronJGJones: it won't affect things with close people, no14:03
DJonesBigRedS: Thats sounds like a description of IRC ... One person posts a line, someone else posts another etc :)14:03
shaunoheh, my mum's still my mum, and she's still 6 timezones away :)14:03
BigRedSDJones: exactly :) I have conversations on Facebook all the time14:03
DJonesAlthough for some people 3 lines might be a novel for some people14:03
BigRedS'cause the people I used to talk to on AIM or whatever now don't bother signing in any more14:03
hamitrona 2 min convo would take my Dad days to type :/14:03
oimonBigRedS: me too - a few have moved to gmail chat and that's about it14:04
popeyyup, pretty much nobody ever contacts me on msn, yahoo, icq or google talk now14:04
popeythey're all on facebook14:04
gordhehe  http://www.cadw.wales.gov.uk/ - view source ;)14:05
JGJonesstrangely enough - I've noticed a lot not talking on IM, but they also talk a lot less via IM - even if including FB chat. Seems that a status update is enough for them and they don't use IM14:05
DJonesPeople with android phones seem to use googletalk im quite a bit14:05
TommehI prefer it to using MSN in pidgin. too14:06
hamitronJGJones: suppose if people use a chat, it maybe isn't so bad14:06
JGJoneshamitron, no...I mean that in my case, friends use IM a lot less14:06
JGJoneshamitron, even if I include Facebook's inbuilt IM14:06
DJonesTommeh: Same here, almost everybody I know that used to use MSN either use facebook or googletalk now14:07
hamitronlive "chat" is not like putting a sticky note on my front door14:07
hamitronJGJones: what is happening to you would annoy me :)14:07
willy_1977well facebook has it's uses I just think it's over-used and now bloated with other rubbish that's not needed...Lately it's just been a way for people who used to flush my head down the toilet at school to salve their conscience so I blocked 'em all :p14:09
DJonesThings change over time, how many people still use friendsreunited.co.uk14:10
shaunothat's the one thing I do to make it sensible.  I block anyone I'm not either related to, or close enough friends with that I'd travel to see them again14:10
czajkowskigreat fraud alert went on my card and has now had to be cancelled due to someone trying to use it.14:11
MooDoooh dear14:11
shaunobright side, they caught it in time?14:11
shaunostill a pain in the rear tho14:12
hamitron"damn, bounced payment into my account" ;)14:12
willy_1977yowser... as shauno says at least it was caught I guess.14:12
DJonesczajkowski: How long for a replacement card to come through14:14
czajkowski5-7 wworking day14:15
DJonesThats definately a pain14:15
czajkowskihmm my tweets/dents don't seem to be working since my upgrade14:15
MooDooczajkowski: you're ok for cash etc though yeah?14:16
DJonesczajkowski:I wondered why I've not seen any tweets saying you were either at a train station or in a pub/eating house14:16
czajkowskiMooDoo: aye14:17
czajkowskiI cna go into a bank to withdraw cash14:17
czajkowskiDJones: :p14:17
MooDooczajkowski: ok just making sure :)14:18
Tommeh'The Bank of Filbert', shirley?14:25
czajkowskiTommeh: eh no14:26
TommehSpoilsport >.<14:27
bigcalmMissread as Soil-snort14:31
bigcalmWhich could be painful14:31
DJonesBigRedS: Use fine grade soil, it might reduce the pain14:37
bigcalmDJones: Tab fail :(14:39
BigRedSHaha! That confused me for a while14:40
bigcalmBigRedS: lazy bunch in here ;)14:41
davmor2czajkowski: repeat after me "I must stop break stuff when upgrading"  I think the version of sqlite changed try popey cache clear twitter post to fix it :)14:41
davmor2czajkowski: don't forget to stop gwibber-service and gwibber before you do though14:42
davmor2czajkowski: that should reset you with the last X quantity of posts :014:42
n1md4hello.  does anyone know how to convert 3gpp to mp3?14:46
popeyI'd probably use ffmpeg14:47
JGJonesn1md4, if you want a GUI method - you could try Sound Converter?14:51
popeywe talked about the openpandora here last week...15:01
popeydoesn't look good15:02
n1md4JGJones: I don't mind GUI, but doesn't seem to want to work with 3GPP.15:03
JGJonesArista transcoder is another GUI tool - dunno if it converts to MP3 though. Otherwise it's ffmpeg15:05
lubotu3Error: Could not parse data returned by Ubuntu: list.index(x): x not in list (https://launchpad.net/bugs/93849)15:06
popeymaybe use vlc?15:06
willy_1977popey: openpandora... it's just teething trouble.15:13
oimonanyone using nomachine/freenx as a terminal server for multiple remote users?15:20
BigRedSI'm sure there's an easy way for someone other than root to get a list of IP addresses live on a machine, but I can't work out what it is...15:22
BigRedSanyone know?15:22
oimonwhat's a "list of IP addresses live"15:24
willy_1977BigRedS: not quite sure what you mean...oh yep what oimon said...15:24
davmor2BigRedS: Do you mean in server terms people connected to it or do you mean ifconfig so you know what it's ipaddresses are15:25
BigRedSdavmor2: ifconfig -a for normal users15:26
smittixHas anyone managed to get evolution working with MS Exchange properly GAL and all15:27
BigRedSsorry, wandered off to find out :)15:27
BigRedSI'm scripting a thing to find sites configured on a server where the domain name doesn't point at it, and I'd rather not have it need to be run as root15:27
oimon/sbin/ifconfig since /sbin isn't in the usual path for usrs15:27
davmor2BigRedS: ifconfig -a ;)15:27
BigRedSHah, oh yeah15:27
* BigRedS feels a bit silly 15:28
shaunowoot.  finished he.net's ipv6 'certification' thingie.  no idea what it's worth, but hey - free t-shirt15:29
oimonbtw any takers for my freenx/nomachine question up there ^^ ?15:29
davmor2BigRedS: feel free to slap your head and say "D'oh!!" at any point :)15:33
BigRedSdavmor2: Haha, already done! :)15:33
BigRedSoimon: I read it, but I can't help I'm afraid :(15:33
oimonBigRedS: thanks for the sympathy anyway :)15:33
* smittix Pulls what is left of his hair out.15:36
daubers\o/ common sense from a manufacturers sales agents15:55
daubersIce cream makers plastic lid cracked, company line is "We don't keep them as spare parts, go back to the retailer", but we where given it as a gift so can't. However, did manage to speak to someone with _some_ semblence of common sense who is speaking to the factory to see if they can get a lid to replace the broken one \o/15:56
daubersMy faith in humanity is lifted a small amount15:56
TheOpenSourcererCan't say I am surprised but Interesting how FF4 is eclipsing IE9 in the download stakes... http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/03/29/6367464-browser-wars-update-firefox-4-slaughtering-internet-explorer-916:11
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directhexTheOpenSourcerer, has ie9 been force-fed to anyone through windowsupdate yet? anyone running ff3.6 has already been fed ff416:12
TheOpenSourcererdirecthex: Dunno. but IE9 doesn't run on XP which means it's going to languish for a long time anyway.16:13
directhexTheOpenSourcerer, that's a good point16:13
TheOpenSourcererMy FF3.6 hasn't updated ;-) Nor do I expect it to.16:13
directhexTheOpenSourcerer, check under help/check for updates!16:14
TheOpenSourcererThe Canonical/Ubuntu build package has that feature disabled.16:14
directhexTheOpenSourcerer, well, if you will run some backwards os without the amazing choice of ie9...16:16
directhex(NOTE, THIS IS A JOKE)16:16
TheOpenSourcererdirecthex: No sh*t sherlock ;-)16:17
directhexTheOpenSourcerer, some of us are under extra suspicion when it comes to such jokes ¬_¬16:17
willy_1977IE9 has not been force fed  - but neither has FF4 (in windows land )16:17
TheOpenSourcererAnd that is well deserved directhex16:17
directhexwilly_1977, it's definitely fed via "check for updates" in 3.6.1616:18
willy_1977I was thinking more of the automatic "I didn't go looking for this update" update...16:19
willy_1977oh poo... I've just realised I'm supposed to be leaving early today and I'm still slap bang in the middle of something... ear chewing from mrs w may be on the cards... gaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh....16:20
directhexwilly_1977, it does the automatic search every week or so. so give it a couple of days16:21
directhexsome people WILL have been given the message without asking16:21
willy_1977got you - well that's cool but ie9 definitely not come through yet (thank the lord - I'll be holding off for SP1 or something)16:22
willy_1977on that bombshell though better go run me errands.16:22
JGJonesI don't think that FF4 is being pushed as an update by Mozilla yet so all downloads of that is manual at the moment.16:26
JGJones(at least for Windows/OSX)16:26
directhexJGJones, manual as in "check for updates" or firefox-setup.exe?16:27
JGJonesas in firefox-setup.exe (people going to website and downloading it16:28
DJonesdirecthex: I've just looked at a machine I've got & thats still running 3.6.16 on a 10.04 machine16:28
daubersJGJones: I have noted that if you're running FF3.x on a PPC mac, it will still prompt you to update, and then it won't run as they don't support PPC anymore :)16:28
directhexJGJones, that's definitely false. i upgraded my windows partiiton & my wife's desktop without visiting the firefox website. just help/check for updates16:28
directhexDJones, updates are disabled on ubuntu. apt takes over.16:28
JGJonesdirecthex, ah, ok thanks, I stand corrected :-)16:28
oimonapt FTW16:29
DJonesdirecthex: ok, I thought you were suggesting that ff4 was being updated regardless of that16:29
JGJonesDJones, I use Mozilla's PPA to get updates, so I get FF4 on a 10.04 machine16:29
oimonis ie9 delivered as part of windowsupdate?16:30
JGJonesEither way, it doesn't matter much to me. I use the superior browser of all - Opera ;-)16:30
JGJonesoimon, no as far as I know.16:30
oimonnever got into opera..i guess it was the lack of easy adblocker16:34
JGJonesoimon, I don't usually block ads on many websites that I go to since for any good sites, it's how they make money in order to operate.16:46
JGJonesoimon, however there's some extensions for Opera that does block ads such as this one - https://addons.opera.com/addons/extensions/details/noads/1.0.8/?display=en16:47
oimoni find browsing the web nearly impossible without some kind of adblocking - particularly if i'm researching a problem i might visit 100s of sites in a day..and you gotta kiss a lot of frogs before you find the prince16:49
oimonbrowsing on my android phone is pretty tough unless they deliver a mobile version of the site..and sucks up bandwidth. i hear firefox mobile has extension support built in16:51
JGJonesoimon, You could get the Opera Mobile browser - it deals with desktop version of websites quite well and you can enable "mobile view" where it attempts to reformat a page into a mobile version. Works well most of the time, but not always.16:52
oimonmight give it a go16:53
JGJonesBut firefox mobile, I'm not sure how much their extension support will add, I think it would be a limited version, ie you can't add all the extensions you want.16:53
JGJonesOpera Mini for when you're using 3G only (it compress pages before you get them, save on bandwidth)16:54
oimonsites make money from users clicking ads rather than viewing them16:54
directhexa bit of both16:55
oimongoogle text ads are ok, but facebook sidebar ads were offensive so i made sure they never came back16:55
oimonmade my web cache look like i'd been surfing singles sites or something16:55
oimonbtw the advert supplied in the spotify client didn't have to be clicked in order to infect the windows machine  =-O16:58
davmor2thought people might like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YANe3o1dgG017:15
JGJonesHmm - I'm compiling libopal at the moment in order to get H263, H263+ and H264 in Ekiga...one question...I'll need the libavcodec that I get from mediubuntu, but I need the -dev version...where would I get this from since it's not in mediubuntu?17:19
hamitronit isn't in universe?17:22
hamitronoh nvm, looking up wrong thing17:23
X3NI always advocate apt-get buildep package17:23
X3Nbut libavcodec-dev is available17:23
JGJonesYeah, that's in main - so I don't know if that would include H263, H264 etc?17:23
JGJonesif it does I will use that17:23
X3Ntry it and see?17:24
X3Nor apt-get builddep libopal17:24
Azelphurhttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/March%202011/IMG_20110329_181626.jpg here be cooling :318:21
shaunosweet; you're making a hovercraft?!18:23
Azelphurhaha :D18:23
Azelphurshauno: fans for my radiator :)18:24
TheOpenSourcererWTF are you trying to cool Azelphur - Why not just go for Phase Change or Liquid Nitrogen?18:24
AzelphurLiquid nitro isn't sustainable and phase change requires insulation and is very tricky to pull off18:24
AzelphurI'm doing water, those are the fans on the radiator18:24
AzelphurTheOpenSourcerer: with phase change because the temps are so far below 0 you get condensation buildup so unless you insulate the motherboard you kill it18:26
Azelphurand if you get it wrong you kill it, and it's generally far more difficult to pull off than water :p18:26
Azelphurand yea, liquid nitro isn't exactly safe to work with either18:27
Azelphurfor obvious reasons xD18:28
TheOpenSourcererTry this then instead ;-) http://www.armari.com/xcp-gallery.asp18:28
TheOpenSourcererFull immersive cooling18:28
AzelphurTheOpenSourcerer: I thought about that too, it's less efficient than water.18:28
hamitronhows about getting something that emites less heat?18:28
MartijnVdShamitron: heretic!18:29
TheOpenSourcererThere's always that hamitron18:29
AzelphurTheOpenSourcerer: with full immersive the radiator has so much more work to do keeping a large volume of water cool18:29
TheOpenSourcererI choose components for thermal efficiency.18:29
Azelphurvs a closed loop, there's far less water and the radiator can act more optimially18:29
TheOpenSourcererAzelphur: That isn't water.18:29
Azelphurno, it's probably oil18:29
Azelphuras I say, I considered it :)18:30
Azelphurit's great if you want decent cooling with near silence, but it's not actually optimal18:30
hamitronhow cool should the chipset reading be?18:31
AzelphurTheOpenSourcerer: yea, I'd still be dubious as to how much better it'd perform vs my setup18:31
hamitronif I had money, I'd go entirely passive18:32
Azelphur4 3000RPM fans strapped to the side of a 480mm radiator is going to be a pretty decent amount of cooling18:32
hamitronmaybe with water cooling18:32
Azelphurhamitron: I wanna try and get my i7 up to 4-5ghz :)18:33
gordwatercooling still needs a pump and a fan to blow on a radiator. its not passive by a long shot ;)18:33
hamitronit is if the radiators have no fan18:33
gordi run my i7 with water cooling right now, works well18:33
hamitronwell, fanless I mean18:33
Azelphurhamitron: imo if you want passive full submersion like TheOpenSourcerer linked is the best way to go18:33
Azelphurthat stuff can get rid of a very decent amount of heat with no radiator or anything, pudget systems has an example system that's completely passive18:34
shaunoor you can put together a pretty passable atom system that's fanless18:34
hamitronI'd have a water pump, fanless, with the pipes going under the floor for underfloor heating ideally18:34
gordatoms get real hot without fans18:34
gordif you want to go that way, get an arm chipset18:35
MartijnVdSgood thing I have lots of fans -- I'm made of atoms!18:35
shaunolol hamitron .. now there's an interesting idea18:35
Azelphurthe joggler has an atom with a plastic heat sink and does ok18:35
Azelphurgord: ^18:35
hamitronshauno: I should patent it? ;)18:36
hamitron£2000 comp with £8000 fittings18:37
Myrttiooo, I like this redshift thing18:37
hamitron10% discount if you join my BOINC team18:37
hamitronAzelphur: is that a usb game controller?18:41
Azelphurhamitron: it's a normal playstation pad plugged into a £2 converter from ebay :)18:41
hamitronoh, cool18:41
hamitroni got a converter arriving18:41
Azelphuryea, they are nice18:41
hamitronwas wonder what controller it is18:42
hamitronas I want something like a ps1 controller for PC18:42
Azelphurwell that is a ps1 controller that plugs into a PC :)18:42
hamitronI'll soon ahve the same then18:43
hamitronI saw a PC controller for £25, but not paying that18:43
Azelphuryea, they work ootb with Ubuntu and Windows or whatever, very generic they work great18:43
hamitronI don't play enough games that I'd use gamepad18:43
AzelphurI've had it for ages18:43
Azelphurworks with wine too :)18:43
hamitronwell, it will be on my win7 pc tbh ;)18:44
shaunoI found it pretty easy to get mame to play nicely with generic usb gamepads.  my keyboard thanked me.18:44
hamitronshauno: I just haven't found a usb gamepad for pc I like, for the right price18:44
hamitronboth mine use midi port18:45
shaunoI got a knock-off playstation controller from dealextreme18:45
hamitronthe G27 is calling me these days18:46
shaunosomething like http://www.dealextreme.com/p/usb-2-0-gamepad-for-pc-laptop-black-160cm-cable-4856018:46
hamitronI should really make the jump to one18:46
shauno£4.25 shipped :o)   gotta love DX18:47
hamitronthis one! http://www.dealextreme.com/p/usb-pc-dualshock-controller-black-61818:47
hamitronlooks way more hardcore18:47
Azelphurshauno: DX annoyed me recently, they took 2 weeks before my item even left the warehouse18:48
Azelphurover a month before it was on my doorstep18:48
Azelphurand over a week to reply to ticket :/18:48
hamitronI've been waiting 24 days for my ps1 to usb adapter18:48
shaunotheir shipping can be all over the place.  I tend not to complain when it's coming from hong kong to europe for £4 tho18:49
hamitroncheesnies need to work on they speed18:49
shaunobut it does seem to vary wildly.  I've usually forgotten what I ordered by time it shows up18:49
jacobwAzelphur: I'm looking at the Eee PC 1018p19:08
Azelphurjacobw: interested in used? :P19:08
jacobwHave you got a used one :o ?19:08
AzelphurI have a 1001P I wouldn't mind selling19:08
Azelphurso I could upgrade to a tablet version19:08
jacobwAh ha, sounds good.19:08
Azelphurit's in pretty good condition, runs Ubuntu fine, It even has well-placed ubuntu stickers, there's a small scratch on the lid19:09
jacobwI'm not bothered about cosmetics19:09
Azelphurlemme grab it and I'll check the specs19:09
hamitronall these Eee PC seem about teh same don't they?19:10
hamitronjust slight differences19:10
Azelphurthere are certain atoms that chug power19:10
Azelphurmine is one of the ones that doesn't chug power :D19:10
hamitronthis one for 300 quid has faster cpu and USB 3.019:11
hamitronnetbook with sub 3.0? ;/19:11
jacobwUSB 3.0?19:11
Azelphurjacobw: Atom N450 @ 1.66Ghz, 1GB RAM, 150GB HD, built in webcam19:12
Azelphurjacobw: battery charges to 93.6% of capacity :)19:13
jacobwHow is the battery life?19:14
Azelphur5 hours with compiz and 3 instances of conky running lol19:14
Azelphurcould probably get 8 out of it without too much trouble19:14
jacobwAny Linux problems?19:15
Azelphurjacobw: none that I've seen, I use it exclusively on Ubuntu19:15
jacobwYeah, I just wanted to make sure that sound through headphones or something wasn't a problem19:16
Azelphurjacobw: nope, speakers and headphones work, I use it to watch TV in bed with mythtv + headphones almost daily lol19:16
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Azelphurjacobw: I did a review of it http://azelphur.com/my-new-netbook-asus-1001p-review if you look at the bottom there's photos of where I've placed Ubuntu stickers :)19:19
jacobwI came across that blog post yesterday while I searching for netbooks19:19
Azelphurhaha :D19:19
Azelphurthat's my blog ;)19:19
jacobwYes yes, I know :)19:20
Azelphurjacobw: theres a script attached too to set up two finger scrolling19:21
Azelphurwhich is really cool :D19:21
AzelphurI don't know why the option is greyed out in the mouse settings dialog, but that script sets it up *shrug*19:22
Azelphurmaybe in natty it'll be available in the mouse settings dialog19:22
jacobwI'm interested, PM me19:23
hamitronwhat is "Super Hybrid Engine" in your Eee Azelphur?19:23
Azelphurno idea lol19:24
mgdmDo not taunt Super Hybrid Engine.19:24
AzelphurSuper Hybrid Engine will Hybrid you :o19:25
mgdmIn Super Russia, Engine Hybrids You.19:40
shaunodominos website isn't very clever :(19:54
hamitronI want one with rails around the garden :/19:54
shaunoYour local Domino's is: Galway - East, 16 Prospect Hill, Eyre Square, Galway Tel: 00353 91 566 100 (not your address?)19:54
shaunono, it's not my address.  it's domino's address.  /facepalm.19:54
phonex01can i use cinema 4D on ubuntu ?20:02
suprengr...and to podcast \o/20:02
Azelphur!blender | phonex0120:03
lubotu3phonex01: blender is a free application for 3D modelling, animation, rendering, etc. You can install it from Ubuntu's repositories, and tutorials are at http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Blender_3D:_Noob_to_Pro20:03
Azelphurphonex01: have you tried ^ ?20:03
phonex01blender is not the same as Cinema 4D ! ?20:04
AzelphurCinema 4D is a 3D modelling tool, so is blender?20:04
* AlanBell has never heard of cinema 4d20:04
AlanBellbut blender is kinda cool20:04
Azelphurme either :P20:04
phonex01i use blender but i m asking about cinema 4D !20:05
Azelphurphonex01: We don't know anything about Cinema 4D, I assume they don't provide Linux support?20:05
phonex01i think so !20:05
AlanBellhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinema_4D wikipedia has heard of it20:06
Azelphurphonex01: I assume you want the latest version, R12?20:06
phonex01oh yah !20:06
Azelphuryea, it won't run under wine either apparently20:06
AlanBellhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Screenc4d2.jpg looks like blender20:06
phonex01thats it20:07
AlanBellpeople who write applications with too many buttons like grey it seems20:07
Azelphurphonex01: a quick google reveals some talk about a C4D version for Linux, you should look into that20:08
Azelphurbut from a quick look it appears the answer is no :p20:08
shaunosummary googling seems to indicate it ran on wine somewhere around v8, native was promised but never showed up20:09
phonex01forget about that !20:10
phonex01i will use it under windows20:10
phonex01no problem \120:10
phonex01printf("%s"," Thank You");20:10
shaunowell, we really can't apologize for commercial software house's inability to do things with thousand-dollar products that nerds have done for free :)20:11
phonex01no problem man ! it is ok20:11
phonex01ok question number 220:12
phonex01is there any way to hack WPA/ WPA2 without using a dictionary ?20:12
MonsterKillerHello, i run Ubuntu server 10.10. How could i go about getting tasks to run on system start. i cant seem to find anything helpful on google.20:16
jacobwphonex01: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wi-Fi_Protected_Access#Security_.26_Insecurity_in_pre-shared_key_mode20:17
jacobwRead and learn :)20:17
phonex01jacobw ! are you serious ?20:18
phonex01by the way this is a good way to push some one to learn !20:18
hamitronMonsterKiller: you could monify scripts inside /etc/init.d20:19
popeyhacking WPA is somewhat offtopic for this channel phonex0120:19
MonsterKillerhey hamitron. I have a script inside there to start ZNC for example, yet it does not seem to work.20:19
phonex01popey you always make me upset do you hate me ,,, is it personal  ?20:19
phonex01are you sure about that ?20:19
jacobwIf WPA2 was easy to crack it would have been replaced20:20
* jacobw is also sure20:20
popeyi would say the same if someone else asked the same question20:20
popeyand have, multiple times20:20
phonex01but it is sill common !20:20
popeywhat is?20:20
hamitronMonsterKiller: best advice I can give is check the script works seperately after boot, check permissions and check it is referenced correctly from another script inside there20:20
phonex01i mean it is still common20:20
phonex01poey im talking to jacobw20:20
phonex01popey im kidding but i like to push people to be upset20:21
popeythat wont get you far here20:21
popeykeep that up and you'll get kicked for trolling20:21
phonex01ok im sorry when you try to kick me let me know to say my final words20:22
phonex01take it as a human right !20:22
MonsterKillerhamitron, well thats the thing. I dont really know anything about it so idk how it should be set up :/20:22
jacobwYes, its common because there's no known reliable attacks20:22
AlanBellphonex01: or alternatively just try not to get kicked20:23
phonex01ok AlanBell it is look like poey control the show here ?20:23
jacobwWEP was phased out for exactly that reason, there were reliable attacks20:23
phonex01ok peopey all respects for you20:23
nucc1the sun is rising.20:23
hamitronMonsterKiller: I normally copy an existing script like "ssh" and modify it to do as i want.... then add a line in rc.local to run it20:23
phonex01hi jacobw WEP now is just kids game !20:24
nucc1trolls will turn to rock.20:24
phonex01ok i have question20:24
phonex01my HD partition have lonnnnnng name20:24
phonex01something like20:24
phonex01how can i change that name ?20:24
MonsterKillerhamitron, okay. so rc.local is inside /etc right? also, would it be at all possible to get an example line for rc.local? would be much appreciated20:25
mfraz74that's probably just the UUID20:25
mfraz74and is unique to that hard drive20:26
hamitronMonsterKiller: another option is to start it when you login20:26
MonsterKillerhamitron, well i wanted the auto start so that if my server went offline and came back on again things would starts themself20:26
nucc1phonex01, System > Administration > Disk Utility allows one to edit filesystem labels.20:26
hamitronhas to be on system startup then, so yeh20:27
hamitronif you call the script "ZNC" and put it inside /etc/init.d20:27
phonex01thank you nucc120:27
phonex01sorry i mean printf("Thank you ");20:28
hamitronyou could then put something like "sh /etc/init.d/ZNC start" inside the file /etc/init.d/rc.local20:28
hamitronor miss the "start" off if it is a simple script not needing it20:29
MonsterKilleroh okay. Thanks hamitron :) will try that20:29
hamitronthe key is the znc script you make20:29
hamitronyou may also want it to run as unprivilaged user20:30
MonsterKillerit only needs to run: su rob -c "znc"20:30
hamitronso be careful20:30
MonsterKillerso that would run its as a non-root user20:30
MonsterKillerit as*20:30
AlanBelllive podcast starting right now20:31
hamitrongood luck monster20:31
MonsterKiller:P thanks20:32
jacobwAlanBell: I knew there was a reason why I had my headphones on..20:32
MonsterKillerwell, its seems to look more like /etc/rc.local than /etc/init.d/rc.local as the one in init.d looks like a script to run /etc/rc.local20:32
shaunoyeah.  you edit /etc/rc.local20:33
shaunohttp://upstart.ubuntu.com/getting-started.html   isn't bad if you need a crash-course in upstart jobs.  /etc/rc.local is neat for avoiding upstart all together and just making it work20:34
MonsterKillerthanks then guys :) much appreciated20:34
hamitronoops ;)20:35
* zleap has podcast on now20:36
hamitronfor some reason, my vps has 2 rc.local files20:36
hamitronguessing it is a hard link20:36
JGJonesthe libavcodec-dev in main repo - is this the full source code?20:37
JGJonesI mean...it can be compiled for h263 etc support?20:37
hamitronhi daubers20:38
shaunohamitron: there are two.  /etc/init.d/rc.local is the upstart job, that runs /etc/rc.local proper.  one's for you to populate, one's so the boot thingie actually does it.   lovely messy.20:39
hamitronffs :/20:39
hamitronwhy not give them different names?20:40
shaunono idea :(20:40
ali1234because /etc/init.d/rc.local is under package manager control20:40
ali1234if you edited it it would bug you whenever there was an update20:40
shaunohaving them two separate files makes perfect sense.  giving them the same name makes describing things from memory iffy20:41
Myrtti*cough* language *cough*20:42
hamitronI wish you guys had said this before I gave bad advice ;)20:42
shaunoheh, I was chasing the pizza guy because they can never find my house :/20:42
hamitronMyrtti: you got highlights on for my slipups? :/20:42
hamitronsorry (again) :\20:43
shaunobut it's cool.  he looked at the two files and figured it out himself.  you got him looking in the right place.  win-win.20:43
Myrttihamitron: no, I mention about slipups whenever I see them on Ubuntu IRC channels20:43
Myrttinot just you :-)20:43
hamitronI've never really modded the ubuntu files tbh20:43
hamitronMyrtti: such a relief :)20:44
Myrttiit's a reflex by now to be honest, been an op far too long20:45
hamitronI do try to be nice :) just I slip into my way of talking when i start hammering keys passionately20:46
MyrttiI've had to restrict myself lately in real life with the cussing, I've noticed that usually I just coax myself angrier when I cuss20:46
Myrttiand that's not good for my blood pressure20:46
Myrttiooh, I forgot I could watch Wonders20:47
MyrttiWonders of the Universe20:48
MonsterKillerokay. so, the scripts work fine but non of the things i put in /etc/rc.local were run20:48
MonsterKilleri noticed /bin/sh /etc/init.d/rc 2 was run. idk if that has anything to do with it?20:49
shaunoit's not often I say this, but leave that bit alone and don't break it :)20:49
hamitronand I will with-hold my advice, as I've been told off for encouraging wreckless actions before20:50
shaunoyeah.  running rc 2 is integral to the boot process20:50
MonsterKillerthough is there a way to tell if /etc/rc.local was run and just errored?20:51
shaunoI'm pretty sure you're looking for the command update-rc.d, but I don't know the exact incantation offhand20:51
hamitronhas /etc/rc.local got the execute bit set?20:51
MonsterKillersome commented out stuff then: sh /etc/init.d/zncstart start exit 020:52
MonsterKillerexit 0 is on a new line20:53
hamitronls -l /etc/rc.local20:53
hamitronworth checking permissions20:53
MonsterKiller-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 503 Mar 29 23:49 /etc/rc.local20:53
hamitronhave you tried "sh /etc/rc.local"?20:54
hamitronas root ofc20:54
shaunoone thing I'd check is that you're using absolute paths wherever possible.  upstart runs with a very basic (but predictable) environment set20:56
MonsterKilleryeah that seems to run everything20:56
MonsterKillerwell, if im correct '/bin/sh /etc/init.d/rc 2' would mean its running on runlevel 2. so maybe put a link to /etc/rc.local in /etc/rc2.d20:58
shaunoeg, su rob -c "znc" will only work if znc is in /bin or /usr/bin.  if it's anywhere else, you'll want su rob -c "/the/full/path/to/znc"20:58
hamitronor setting the full path in the znc script21:01
hamitroninside "zncstart" I mean21:01
shaunoand no promises $HOME is set so you might have to help it find any configuration files that aren't in the default places21:02
MonsterKillerwell, i ran the scripts seperatly and they seemed to work21:03
MonsterKilleri tried the update-rc.d and got21:03
MonsterKillerupdate-rc.d: warning: zncstart start runlevel arguments (2 3 4 5) do not match LSB Default-Start values (2 3 5)21:04
MonsterKillerand one for stop too21:04
hamitronif the script zncstart is simple, maybe better to just include it all in /etc/rc.local21:05
shaunoif they're just warnings, that may have worked21:05
hamitronall good fun21:09
shauno:(  I can't pause the podcast21:16
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SafiyyahAlanbell, popey, ali123421:55
SafiyyahMy system has crashed AGAIN, it happened after I loaded my USB mp3 player, it said something about it being read only and not being able to mount it21:56
ali1234as always i need to see the full log21:56
Safiyyaheverything started freezing, and on reboot I got the black screen21:56
Safiyyahali1234,  am on live disk21:57
Safiyyahbut basically it couldnt not find root21:57
Safiyyahand complained about corrupted files on dev/sda221:57
AlanBellhi Safiyyah21:57
ali1234sounds bad21:57
AlanBellooh hat21:57
AlanBellthats better21:57
Safiyyahanyway... my problem is this is meerkat21:57
Safiyyahlucid crashed on me too21:57
Safiyyahit crashed after 4 months but it did the same thing21:58
SafiyyahI never experienced any such issues with previous ubuntu versions21:58
ali1234that sounds like a dying hard drive to me21:58
Safiyyahexcept intrepid... that seemed to have a mind of it's own21:58
Safiyyahit's only a year old21:59
Safiyyahso meerkat took 3 weeks and it crashed22:00
Safiyyahwhat do you all think?22:00
Safiyyahali1234,  why would it be dying when it is only a year old22:00
ali1234sometimes they do22:00
ali1234you should run a filesystem check on all drives and then check dmesg for errors22:01
willy_1977'ow do22:02
Safiyyahokay am on live disk so please direct me step by step ali123422:02
willy_1977ali1234: saw your messages from last night about the gnome bug, thanks.22:02
ali1234sudo fsck /dev/sda222:03
ali1234if it asks you if you want to repair say no for now22:03
* willy_1977 misread fsck :o22:03
ali1234if it finishes, check dmesg22:03
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Safiyyahali1234,  am on it22:05
Safiyyahit seems stuck though22:05
ali1234it will take a long time22:06
ali1234it may also get stuck if the drive has physical errors22:06
ali1234open a new shell and check dmesg22:06
ali1234if you see a lot of lines like "end request: I/O error" it means the drive is broken22:07
dogmatic69anyone know about mcrypt? how does it work between servers etc22:07
dogmatic69will it always give the same value, no matter the server?22:07
nucc1i would expect it to, whenever you use the same parameters. but i've never used it before.22:09
davmor2czajkowski: poke, prod and general annoyance :P22:11
moreatidavmor2: good evening22:11
davmor2moreati: morning22:12
Safiyyahokay I am done22:12
SafiyyahAlanbell, popey, ali123422:13
ali1234yeah, that looks bad22:13
Safiyyahali1234,  which lines?22:14
ali1234line 321 to the end22:14
ali1234ata3 is sda22:15
Safiyyahokay so first things first22:15
ali1234what did fsck say?22:15
SafiyyahI need to back up evolution22:15
Safiyyahali1234,  I can't remember, running it again ... will paste bin it22:16
ali1234don't run it again22:16
ali1234you risk making the errors worse22:16
Safiyyahokay is there a way to mount the drives22:16
ali1234you can try to mount it read only22:17
ali1234however anything you do with the drive will make it worse22:17
ali1234like driving a car with no oil in the engine22:17
SafiyyahI don't care about worse right now22:17
SafiyyahI want to back up home directory22:18
Safiyyahand get out22:18
Safiyyahare u running meerkat btw?22:18
moreatiali1234: time for dd_rescue?22:18
ali1234trouble with dd_recsue is you need another drive with more freespace than the broken drive22:19
ali1234do you have that?22:19
Safiyyaham searching the net for a new HDD as we speak22:19
SafiyyahI have an external drive plugged in and ready22:19
Safiyyahgot 500gb22:19
ali1234how much free space? how big is the internal?22:19
Safiyyahbut lets say we actually have 400gb since I have used some22:20
ali1234and how big is the internal drive?22:20
Safiyyahthe size of my home dir is 100gb and it isn't used up22:20
Safiyyahinternal is 500gb as well22:20
Azelphurhey Safiyyah, havn't seen you about in a while :)22:20
Safiyyahhey Azelphur.... you know am only here when I have a problem :P22:21
moreatiSafiyyah: the critical question is how big is your home _partition_, because dd_rescue doesn't understand unused space22:21
Safiyyahmoreati, its 100gb22:21
ali1234that is sda2?22:22
willy_1977anyone got any advice: I want to start hacking on some of the bugs I've picked up, I'm happy writing code and compiling but the issue I have is where do I start with source control and branches, and how much do I need to worry about upstream/downstream I am sure I am not the first person to come into this and get these kind of issues I just want to get going but as yet have turned up blank on a beginners type guide to this stuff? So the question is22:23
willy_1977 can anyone point me in that direction or has anyone got any time to get me going on a nice easy bug?22:23
phonex01_how can i install vmware ?22:23
willy_1977is it not in the software centre phonex01_ ?22:23
Azelphur!virtualbox | phonex01_22:23
lubotu3phonex01_: virtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available from the package 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox22:23
Azelphurphonex01_: tried ^ ?22:24
nucc1Azelphur, he asked for vmware.22:24
phonex01_no no man22:24
nucc1i was about to say that the vmware installer should have instructions...22:24
Azelphurnucc1: yea, but foss alternatives are nice to recommend :)22:24
phonex01_it is not virtual box !22:24
phonex01_VMware is not the same as virtulabox22:24
Azelphurphonex01_: yea but have you tried it? virtualbox is actually very nice and a lot of people use it instead of vmware22:24
silnerI'm not nearly as happy about Vbox now Oracle are running the show :(22:24
phonex01_yes im using it22:24
nucc1Azelphur, not necessarily true when someone asks for a specific bit. besides, the OSE VirtualBox is crippled anyway :p22:24
Azelphurthen go google instructions for vmware :P22:24
phonex01_but i have been told that VMwre is stronger ?22:24
phonex01_and provide more options22:25
Azelphurmatter of opinion *shrug* I prefer virtualbox22:25
nucc1vmware is actually better.22:25
ali1234Safiyyah: pastebin the output of sudo fdisk -l please22:25
willy_1977virtualbox ++ for me...22:25
nucc1but virtualbox works well enough.22:25
Safiyyahi don't get why I can't drug and drop from sda422:25
Safiyyahthere are 2 files  I want from that22:25
Safiyyahplus the home dir22:25
Azelphur!vmware | phonex01_22:26
lubotu3phonex01_: VMWare is not available in the Ubuntu repositories. Consider using !QEmu or !VirtualBox as alternatives. Instructions for installing VMWare manually are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware22:26
ali1234nucc1: OSE isn;t actually that crippled any more - eg it has usb support now22:26
willy_1977phonex01_ try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware/Server22:26
Azelphurhe left xD22:26
nucc1ali1234, really? i added the upstream repository a while back and stopped tracking OSE22:26
ali1234nucc1: um yes... in 4.0.4 at least22:27
Azelphurso yea I just sold my netbook, I wanna get a tablet/netbook convertible, any suggestions? :D I'd like it to be minecraft capable if possible22:27
dogmatic69Azelphur: ipad :)22:27
SafiyyahCould my processor be dying too?22:27
ali1234dunno about other features, usb is the only one i missed22:28
ali1234Safiyyah: no22:28
Azelphurdogmatic69: how does that fit any of the requirements...at all? XD22:28
ali1234Safiyyah: ok let's see /etc/fstab as well please22:28
willy_1977dogmatic69: you owe me a new keyboard this one has now got tea in it...22:28
dogmatic69Azelphur: its ~= tablet22:28
dogmatic69willy_1977: lol22:28
silnerMost of the extra features Vmware has doesn't seem to be aimed at the average user22:28
dogmatic69Azelphur: and you can hack minecraft onto it afaik22:28
Azelphurdogmatic69: it's not a netbook tablet convertible, it can't run minecraft or Ubuntu, it's specs are crap, in general it's crap. Have I said crap enough yet? :P22:29
nucc1silner, the ability to drag files from the host onto the guest is quite average user awesomeness to me.22:29
ali1234Azelphur: obviously you need an ipad 222:29
willy_1977ali1234: lol22:29
ali1234but seriously though, it's going to have to be tegra, cos minecraft gets about 2 fps on pinetrail22:30
silnernucc1, Did that arrive in later versions? Didn't think that was in 6 (last version I owned)22:30
Safiyyahguys HELP the poor one over here please22:30
dogmatic69Azelphur: ipad is pretty good, 2 should be better. it can run ubuntu and minecraft from what ive seen22:30
willy_1977do you folks think my dev query would be better suited to a mailing list?22:30
ali1234Safiyyah: damn i forgot you are on livecd22:30
Azelphurdogmatic69: your forgetting the part where you can get better hardware for half the price22:30
Safiyyahif I could log in, I would have backed up my data before having this conversation22:30
willy_1977proper intro and all that?22:30
nucc1on vmware server, can't remember the version, but saw it as far back as july 2010.22:31
* hamitron is using livecd atm, because he doesn't know how to use MS Windows :/22:31
Azelphurwilly_1977: maybe22:31
Safiyyahlol hamitron22:31
silnernucc1, Oh I haven't used it that recently22:31
ali1234Safiyyah: sudo apt-get install dd_rescue22:31
hamitronSafiyyah: wish i was joking :D22:31
ali1234Safiyyah:actually sudo apt-get install ddrescue22:31
Safiyyahcan you explain why we simply can't mount the drives and copy the specific files I am after22:32
silnernucc1, might be worth looking at again, since the free player now installs systems as well as plays them - so I read anyway22:32
Safiyyahits is literally evolution mail22:32
ali1234Safiyyah: because as soon as you start using the drive it will give out hundreds of errors and then crash22:32
silnernucc1, only free as in freeware of course22:32
nucc1silner, but nowadays, virtualbox works well enough for my usecases, and is only an apt-get away.22:32
nucc1silner, oh, i tend to use the version that works well, regardless of the License :p22:32
Safiyyahso we will have to rescue and then I can delete what I didn't want?22:32
willy_1977Azelphur: thanks, I'll give it a go in the morning - did post an irc in ubuntu-devel which I thought was general but people in there were busy so I'll keep digging I'm sure I'll get there it'll just take me longer :D22:32
ali1234Safiyyah: no it doesn;t work like that22:33
Safiyyahokay can you please explain what is going to happen?22:33
ali1234Safiyyah: also ddrescue operation could take several hours22:33
ali1234the whole partition will be copied to a working drive but while skipping errors22:34
silnerI don't virtualise much now - haven't needed to since OO got good enough at opening MSO files - and LO seems to be just as good in that respect22:34
ali1234then you will run fsck on it to repair the working copy22:34
ali1234then you will mount the repaired image and copy files22:34
* willy_1977 is liking the new group your tabs thingy in FF4! and it's sped up somewhere so I guess my initial reservations were unfounded sorry FF4!22:34
Safiyyahthen I will be able to log in normally?22:34
dogmatic69Azelphur: the battery life is awesome too, 10+ hours22:35
nucc1silner, libreoffice still doesn't work well for ooxml files. and every once in a while, you come across something that has to be done on windows. My Virgin Media subscription for isntance, required me to run some silly software from windows in order to activate.22:35
nucc1not to mention using Nokia PC suite22:35
hamitronnucc1: your own fault for not using a proper ISP then22:35
nucc1hamitron, virgin media gives the best deal around.22:36
willy_1977right bed is calling g'night; as ever thanks for your useful input folks.22:36
Safiyyahso if we don't get to go in and do a proper backup22:36
nucc1no line rental nonsense.22:36
Safiyyahwhat's the point22:36
silnerI tend to check with ISPs now and tell them I need it to be setup without using Windows22:36
ali1234nucc1: you never used to have to run the VM installer22:36
hamitronit is "the best" if you can't use it without paying £££ for winblows22:36
silnerPhones are an issue though22:36
Safiyyaham also not understanding why pluggin in my mp3 player brought all this about22:36
ali1234nucc1: if you just plug in the modem and try to use it it takes you to the provisioning website which you can use manually22:36
silnerI can't use most of my phone's software unless I used Windows22:36
nucc1ali1234, it refused to work in firefox in ubuntu.22:37
hamitroncertain hardware devices like phones, specilist programs and games22:37
silnerI don't bother - I'm not much of a phone user anyway22:37
ali1234nucc1: find it hard to believe, i always used to do it from my firewall using lynx22:37
nucc1ali1234, it didn't work for me. had to do it from IE in Windows.22:38
ali1234Safiyyah: it didn't22:38
nucc1silner, its one of the arcane reasons why i use Nokia phones. they use industry standards for most of their functionality.22:38
MonsterKillerhey. so my rc.local file doesnt seem to be being run on system startup. the /etc/rc.local script runs fine and starts everything if i run it manually22:38
Safiyyahso it was happening before and we didnt realise last time it broke?22:39
MonsterKillercant work out whats wrong22:39
Safiyyahu realise u guys helped me less than a month ago?22:39
ali1234that was a totally different problem22:39
Safiyyahstill a broken system22:39
ali1234not really22:39
Safiyyahokay so is there a HDD drive brand I need to buy22:40
Safiyyahcos this one lasted a year22:40
SafiyyahA YEARRRRR22:40
ali1234not maxtor22:40
nucc1he he22:40
* hamitron liked maxtor22:40
Safiyyahshortest lived ever!!22:40
nucc1seagate rocks.22:40
ali1234btw after recovering your data you should attempt to RMA it with the manufacturer22:40
ali1234they all give at least 1 year guarantee, some give 3 or 5 years22:40
Safiyyahdo you think the large space is what is making them die fast22:40
ali1234larger drives tend to die faster yes22:41
silnernucc1, ali1234 With setting up ISP I just asked them the settings and ip address of the router webpage and set it up manually22:41
ali1234high performance, shorter lifespan22:41
silnerIt doesn't take very long22:41
hamitronto fit more into less space, each section must get smaller22:41
silnerMaybe Virgin is especially hard?22:41
Safiyyahso what size is a good size in order to avoud sudden death?22:41
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hamitronI'd just go with a seagate one at around 40 quid22:42
ali1234Safiyyah: the trick to buying harddrives is x = price / capacity and then take the one with lowest x22:42
hamitronor hitachi or samsung22:43
nucc1silner, configuring the router is easy enough, most routers do DHCP. thing is, the connection won't work until you visit some special activation page and do some stuff. i forget. was 6 months ago.22:43
ali1234but not maxtor22:43
nucc1hitachi works quite well too.22:43
hamitronnot maxtor, no :) and I have a personal dislike of WD22:43
awilkinsI've had a couple of 750GB samsung spinpoints that have survived near constant use in an underventilated case for going on 5 or 6 years now22:43
nucc1WD makes "proprietary" drives :p22:43
silnernucc1, I think I read you could do the virgin activation over the phone, no?22:43
nucc1silner, yea, i learnt that a bit late :p22:44
hamitronnucc1: if only they didn't seem to die on me ALL the time22:44
awilkinsWith Virgin all you seem to have to do is reboot the CM with the right MAC connected to it22:44
Safiyyahi actually had a good experience with maxtor22:44
Safiyyahfor several years22:44
* hamitron too22:44
awilkinsIf you switch network adapter on it, you need to reboot the modem22:44
Safiyyahthen it just poof died22:44
ali1234maxtors are highly variable22:44
hamitronI am on maxtor drives now22:44
ali1234my oldest working harddrive is a maxtor22:44
nucc1seagate here.22:45
silnersame here ali123422:45
ali1234but of all my drives, maxtors had the highest failure rate22:45
hamitronmy newer ones are seagate22:45
silnerali1234, Well I say working but at 8GB I can't really use it any more :)22:45
hamitronI have had 4 WD drives, and all failed in warrenty \o/22:45
ali1234yeah i think mine is 8Gb too, must have been a good year22:45
hamitron1 even left a 3cm dent in a case :)22:46
hamitrondo samsung support hotplug?22:47
nucc1does the port support hot-plug?22:47
nucc1those IDE ports... wait, PCs still use IDE right? :p22:48
hamitronjust don't unmount the drive with the OS on....22:48
nucc1you live dangerously.22:48
awilkinsI run off a USB drive at work and sometimes the cable jiggle unmounts it22:49
awilkinsMost irritating. But still more productive than Windows22:49
hamitronsata2 hd caddy ftw ;)22:49
nucc1awilkins, lol.22:49
ali1234i think all sata drives support hotplug... not sure though22:49
awilkinsCan't boot of anything but first SATA port22:49
awilkinsAnd the case doesn't support standard 3.5" bay modules, or I would have already fitted one22:50
Safiyyahhamitron WD is which company?22:50
nucc1linux would rule the universe if only flash video was HW accelerated :/22:50
ali1234western digital22:50
awilkinsHave to boot machine to Windows once a week to get DHCP lease also22:50
Safiyyahnucc1 IDE... you might get 1 or 2 ports on the motherboard nowadays but everything is SATA now22:51
AlanBellnucc1: so you are saying that open source would be wonderful if the closed source stuff was better22:51
awilkinsI might try an eSata cable and a thumbdrive with GRUB on it22:51
nucc1AlanBell, i've come to realise that some things will never be opensource. i don't try to fight it.22:51
hamitronawilkins: demand usb322:51
AlanBellnucc1: sure, me neither22:51
hamitron"I really can't work with this *, I need....."22:51
nucc1AlanBell, and the wackness of flash makes it impossible for me to use my lovefilm subscription.22:52
nucc1forces me to boot my ps3, and i hate having sony watch my every move.22:52
hamitronis SSD more reliable?22:52
awilkinshamitron, They ask stupid questions22:52
Safiyyahali1234,  i would like to mount the drive and copy my files over :)22:52
hamitronSSD seems cheaper now22:52
awilkinshamitron, Like "Why do you need 6GB of RAM when we only issue a 32-bit OS?"22:52
Safiyyahthere is nothing am saving anyway the thing is dead22:53
nucc1awilkins, who asks such?22:53
awilkinshamitron, 128GB SSD, was £120 at purchase but price has come down22:53
awilkinsnucc1, IT services, when you ask for more RAM22:53
ali1234Safiyyah: did you install ddrescue yet?22:53
hamitron128Gb is plenty22:53
nucc1awilkins, where did you find an SSD for 120 quid?22:53
hamitronget SSD for 60 quid ;/22:53
awilkinsMight be 64GB22:53
nucc1awilkins, everybody likes to feel important :)22:54
MonsterKiller64GB for £6022:54
hamitronjust not the best22:54
nucc164G is too small.22:54
awilkinsKingston, mine is22:54
MonsterKiller64GB are like £10022:54
awilkins64GB is ok22:54
nucc1not enough for my music22:54
awilkinsMusic is ~ 12GB22:54
awilkinsBut for that I use a thumbdrive22:54
awilkinsDon't need lightning speed for music22:54
awilkinsOr any streaming media22:54
hamitronI think it was 32 or 64Gb22:54
awilkinsHell, get an SD card, most laptops have a slot now22:55
Safiyyahwe are no rescuing anything22:55
nucc1awilkins, i don't like having to plug any drives in order to access some files. might as well just use cloud storage.22:55
nucc1but they cost too much.22:56
hamitron30 quid for a 8gb ssd22:56
Safiyyahhow much is cloud storage?22:56
awilkinsnucci : If I was using an SD card I'd just keep it plugged in the slot22:56
Safiyyahits' time I got cloud storage for real22:56
Safiyyahded hard drives are becoming a pain22:56
nucc1Safiyyah, to get the amount i need, it would cost less to just get a NAS22:56
awilkinsnucc1, It sits nice and flush with the case22:56
awilkinsI only dig the kind of cloud storage that's a backup for local storage22:57
awilkinsPure cloud can sod off.22:57
nucc1i don't buy that cloud hoopla either.22:57
* hamitron neither22:57
nucc1i don't want to keep paying over and over for my stuff.22:57
hamitronanyone tried these hybrid drives?22:57
awilkinsThere was a ZDNet editor on radio 4 this PM hyping it up22:58
nucc1hybrid should be an improvement. hamitron, which one?22:58
awilkins"You don't want to be carrying hard drives everywhere"22:58
ali1234well you don't22:58
nucc1awilkins, i need symmetric bandwidth from my ISP so i can leave my laptop always on.22:58
nucc1and run my own cloud :)22:58
ali1234Safiyyah: you can try to mount the drive if you want22:58
nucc1awilkins, it's what i currently do. grab my files by SSH-ing into my PC at home :)22:59
hamitronnucc1: that just means they slow down your download speed and charge you for doing so22:59
Safiyyahokay let me know how to mount from live disk please22:59
awilkinsYeah, but cloud storage is only economic for small amounts of relatively small files, or you end up spending mucho deniro on either cloudspace or bandwidth22:59
ali1234Safiyyah: sudo mkdir /media/home; sudo mount /dev/sda4 /media/home22:59
nucc1ubuntu live CDs normally automount that stuff, right?23:00
Safiyyahguys what do you think of this HDD http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-HD103SJ-internal-SATAII-7200RPM/dp/B002MQC0P8/ref=sr_1_cc_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1301435673&sr=1-2-catcorr23:00
hamitronI'd go for lower rpm unless you really need high performance23:00
awilkins$30 per year for 20GB is going to get expensive real fast compared to a few 2.5" hard drives23:00
Safiyyahali why is it sda423:00
Safiyyaham sure home is on sda3 or 223:01
ali1234Safiyyah: try sda2 then23:01
nucc1Safiyyah, is that a laptop HDD???23:02
Safiyyahnucci no a PC23:02
nucc1err, no23:02
Safiyyahubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount /dev/sda3 /media/home23:03
Safiyyahmount: you must specify the filesystem type23:03
awilkinsSafiyyah, use sudo fdisk -l to list available drives23:03
ali1234awilkins: http://paste.ubuntu.com/587074/23:04
hamitronSafiyyah: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/17746623:04
awilkinsOr have we already done that23:04
hamitronjust shop around really :/23:04
mattiissyl0: You alive?23:05
awilkinsSafiyyah, You trying to recover files from the Windows dirve?23:05
AlanBellhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/ wow, no bbc23:05
AzelphurAnyone here got a dell inspiron duo? :)23:05
ali1234Safiyyah: from your paste, sda1 is /boot, sda2 ir /, sda3 is swap, sda4 is /home23:05
nucc1he he23:05
nucc1AlanBell, maybe they're moving to manchester by train :p23:06
ali1234sorry, sda3 is extended, sda5 is swap23:06
ali1234Azelphur: i tried one in a shop, it's nice23:06
Azelphurali1234: cool :D23:06
ali1234Azelphur: the screen flip around method is very nice and stable23:06
Azelphurreckon it could do minecraft? :)23:06
ali1234dunno, what graphics does it have?23:07
hamitronRAM is the main thing23:07
awilkinsNot sure Minecraft even uses accelerated graphics...23:07
Safiyyahawilkins, no my ubuntu drive23:07
ali1234it does23:07
Safiyyahali1234 i can now see the dir23:07
Safiyyahbut it wont allow me to copy of paste apparently I don't have rights23:08
Azelphurali1234: Intel GMA 315023:08
ali1234Safiyyah: you must do it on shell with sudo then23:08
directhexawilkins, minecraft is pretty system-heavy23:08
directhexit uses a LOT of opengl23:08
awilkinsFairy snuff23:08
Safiyyahblody hell23:08
Safiyyahokay so it is dev sda 2 going to external hDD23:08
Safiyyahthis will be interesting.... how do you do that on a terminal23:09
awilkinsSafiyyah, Any number of ways :-)23:09
awilkinsWhat file system is the external HD?23:09
awilkinsIs it the NTFS drive?23:09
ali1234it does't matter23:09
ali1234just open in in nautilus23:10
nucc1hamitron, http://www.ebuyer.com/product/22231023:10
ali1234then you will have a corresponding folder in /media23:10
ali1234then copy the files/folders with sudo cp -a23:10
awilkinsYou can open nautilus from the command line with sudo to get a privileged nautilus23:10
ali1234that would work too23:11
ali1234gksudo nautilus23:11
hamitronnucc1: also tempting :)23:11
hamitronbut tbh, I'd rather go small and fast23:11
ali1234i'm still pretty sure that sda2 is / and so /home will be empty23:11
hamitronso corsair hdd all the way for me23:12
awilkinsis sda1 not root and sda4 some other data partition?23:12
Azelphurali1234: did you hear the graphics card on the inspiron duo? :)23:12
Azelphuryou was going to give me your opinion on minecraft :p23:12
ali1234Azelphur: yeah, it will probably not be great23:12
AzelphurI see23:13
hamitronminecraft struggled in vmware workstation :/23:13
* awilkins wonders if VirtualBox would work OK with it because it at least tries to provide access to accelerator featues23:13
hamitrondoesn't vmware?23:14
ali1234minecraft is java23:14
ali1234why would you want to run it in vmware?23:14
hamitronif vmware worked, I'd run everything in virtual machines23:14
hamitronthen leave the host OS naked23:14
Safiyyahi don't know what file system my external disk has23:14
Safiyyahi have just always copied and pasted to it23:15
awilkinsWhy not run Java in vmware?23:15
ali1234because there is no point?23:15
nucc1java runs fine in linux23:15
hamitronmy host OS is windows...23:15
hamitronand we all know what happens when you install too much on windows23:15
nucc1the question is, why is your host OS windows. but i guess we don't need to know.23:16
MonsterKilleranyone able to help me with rc.local? it still doesnt seem to run on system startup.23:16
Safiyyahali1234,  how do I copy these files???23:16
nucc1MonsterKiller, how so?23:16
ali1234Safiyyah: gksudo nautilus23:16
awilkinsI have a VM for VB6 developement (don't ask) and it's snappier than the host machine it runs in because it's free of all the cruftware23:16
ali1234then use that window to copy them23:16
Safiyyahthank you23:16
MonsterKillernone of the things in the rc.local run when the system starts but if i run the rc.local manually they all run fine23:16
MonsterKillerusing ubuntu server 10.1023:17
hamitronMonsterKiller: cat /etc/init.d/rc.local |less23:17
nucc1MonsterKiller, odd one there. don't think i can help much. i thought perhaps you had faulty commands in them.23:17
Safiyyahit's working.... yeiiiii23:17
SafiyyahI can breathe23:17
hamitroncheck it is setup to run23:17
Safiyyahright time to install flash and start living in live disk mode for today23:17
hamitronalso check execution bit is set on /etc/init.d/rc.local23:18
MonsterKillerhttp://paste.monsterprojects.org/mpbjhwhbjzhbjrr and i have an /etc/rc.local http://paste.monsterprojects.org/mpbjhwhbkkkhwez23:18
MonsterKillerif i run them manually they work fine23:18
Safiyyahali1234, hamitron what was the verdict on the HDD I chose?23:18
SafiyyahI am concerned about it being 1TB23:18
hamitronyou can't get a small hdd now23:19
nucc1unless you want to buy a used one.23:19
awilkinsFewer platters is probably the closest you get to "small"23:19
hamitronso imo, 1Tb is a good choice for capacity, unless you want to consider SSD23:19
awilkinsLess strain on the old motors23:19
nucc1do SSDs do wear levelling on their own, or do you still need to use special filesystems?23:20
Safiyyahor this other one23:20
awilkinsnucc1, They wear level themselves. It helps if your OS supports TRIM commands (newer ones do)23:20
MonsterKilleri also tried putting the command in /etc/init.d/rc.local and they didnt run23:20
Safiyyahsamsung vs seagate?23:21
nucc1awilkins, in terms of Linux (perhaps ubuntu versions), what does newer mean?23:21
awilkinsnucc1, Linux has had TRIM support much longer than Windows has23:21
directhexget the samsung!23:21
directhexi've always liked their spinning discs.23:21
nucc1awilkins, he he. i only use windows in a VM. I guess i'd be aiming for an SSD then.23:22
awilkinsnucc1, Since february 201023:22
nucc1i have always feared to spend so much money on a drive that may not last as long as a cheaper spinning disk.23:22
hamitrondirecthex: how hot do you find they get?23:22
awilkinsWin 7 supported it in October 2009 but I don't count that as more recent because no-one in corporations had it then :-)23:22
directhexhamitron, cool to the touch23:22
hamitronmy maxtors breath fire23:23
directhexhamitron, samsung are VERY conservative with platter density compared to the competition23:23
directhexhamitron, so they don't get as hot23:23
hamitrondirecthex: wanna try hotplug for me?23:23
directhexnot on my root drive, no23:23
hamitronit is my latest craze23:23
Safiyyahwth is an SSD?23:23
hamitronsolid state drive23:24
nucc1a flash drive shaped to look like a hard drive :p23:24
awilkinsnucc1, Been running a Kingston SSD as a development box running a lot of data-heavy workloads for at least a year now and no failures yet :-)23:24
directhexhamitron, i have two samsungs in here, a 1T root disk, and a 2T disk i transferred my home server's contents onto when i decommissioned it23:25
awilkinsnucc1, All the SMART data basically says "nothing wrong with this at all"23:25
Safiyyahwaitttt a minute23:25
SafiyyahSSD on wikipedia sounds good23:25
nucc1awilkins, ah, smart data only says something is wrong *when* the drive fails :))23:25
Safiyyahso what was the reason I should get a HDD instead of a SSD?23:25
nucc1Safiyyah, cost and capacity.23:25
hamitrondirecthex: do you find you have hdd dedicated to "old files" like me? ;D23:25
AlanBellSSD is smaller and more expensive23:25
awilkinsSafiyyah, Price ; SSDs cost much money for the space23:25
AlanBellhowever go for it if you want one23:26
awilkinsSafiyyah, OTOH, they are lightning fast (especially at accessing lots of small files in comparison to a spinny disk)23:26
awilkinsSafiyyah, Good for e.g. Java development where lots of JAR files need loading23:26
hamitronnot so good if you like a large collection of blue movies ;/23:27
awilkinsSafiyyah, Good if you need silent, or cool running. No point if you want to archive TBs of media23:27
directhexSafiyyah, a 500GB HDD is £30, a 500GB SSD is £105023:27
nucc1hamitron, why would anyone want to store movies with colour coding issues?23:27
awilkinsSafiyyah, Durable also - very good as a portable drive. Killed about 3 x 2.5" spinny laptop drives in a year. SSD has been dropped roughly at least 5 times and hasn't skipped a beat23:27
hamitronnucc1: hehe23:28
Safiyyahlol so basically... wait till they get cheaper23:28
hamitronwould a SSD be good in a USB 3.0 enclosure?23:28
nucc1Safiyyah, i've been waiting for 2 years :p23:28
nucc1still too expensive23:28
Safiyyahthey are great but expensive23:28
awilkinsSafiyyah, depends on your cost / benefit23:28
Safiyyahlol nucc1 what size are you waiting for23:28
directhexref: http://www.scan.co.uk/products/500gb-hitachi-0f10381-deskstar7k1000c-sata-3gb-s-7200-rpm-16mb-cache-85-ms versus http://www.scan.co.uk/products/480gb-ocz-technology-ibis-series-hsdl-sandforce-1222-read-740mb-s-write-720mb-s-120k-iops23:28
nucc1Safiyyah, 256GB.23:29
awilkinsFor my purposes (portable drive for Java development) the £120 for 64GB was well worth it23:29
hamitronthe SSD I want is 90 quid23:29
awilkinsAlready paid for itself in terms of not-being-dead like the spinning disks were23:29
Safiyyahnucci thats 250 quid at amazon23:29
nucc1if i choose to downgrade to 64G, i'd have to invest in some NAS in order to keep my media accessible. the costs stack up.23:30
awilkinsNever mind that they had 500GB of space - I wasn't using it all anyway23:30
AlanBellnight all o/23:30
hamitronnn AB23:30
AlanBelldo feel free to propose sessions for Saturday -> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/globaljam201123:30
hamitronnucc1: yeh, guess I have collected loads of other junk to store stuff on :)23:30
Safiyyahdirecthex,  i think you had extra money to burn and i dont23:31
Safiyyahright back to reality23:31
Safiyyahaka HDD.... SDD = dreaming23:31
nucc1Safiyyah, just get the 1TB drive and put your PC to sleep when it's idle :)23:31
Davieyoh wow, BBC's new website is awesome.23:31
hamitronawilkins: does this one outperform yours? http://www.ebuyer.com/product/23325823:31
nucc1Daviey, lol23:32
awilkinshamitron, Very likely, yes, mine's just a Kingston23:32
DavieyI love their new layout... it's not been long since their last refresh23:32
nucc1Daviey, the site is unavailable.23:32
nucc1maybe my DNS it caching too much.23:33
Davieynucc1, sad4u :)23:33
awilkinshamitron, OTOH, this one wasn't available 300 days ago (drive has 112 days power-on time, figure it must be on about 1/3rd of the time)23:33
nucc1Daviey, seriously, it's not down?23:33
Safiyyahnucc1,  perhaps buy the smalled 60gb and have a HDD as a secondary drive for media?23:34
nucc1Safiyyah, usb drives are too clumsy to manage.23:34
awilkinsSafiyyah, as a boot drive, an SSD rocks23:34
hamitronawilkins: yeh, earlier last year I'd of gone kingston23:34
awilkinsSafiyyah, You may have a spare 2.5" bay you can mount an SSD in23:34
nucc1i might eventually get a 128G drive, and downgrade my music bitrates23:35
nucc1'nother problem is where to keep my VM Virtual disks.23:35
hamitronI refuse to re-encode music23:35
hamitron128k all the way23:35
nucc1not re-encode, downgrade for new files.23:35
nucc1my files range from 96k (back when i had a 20G HDD) all the way to FLAC (nowadays)23:36
hamitronI just use basic mp3, so all my devices support them23:36
nucc1rhythmbox does a good job of transcoding.23:37
hamitronmy mp3 player stick only has 128mb23:37
nucc1and it doesn't take much time on modern core 2 duos.23:37
hamitrontranscoding != good23:37
* awilkins picks devices that support OGG23:37
hamitronawilkins: ogg wasn't around :/23:37
nucc1nokia doesn't support ogg. my phone is my media player.23:37
awilkinsThis pretty much limits me to i) computers ii) N900 iii) iRiver iv) Samsung YP series23:37
hamitrontranscoding you lose quality :/23:38
nucc1hamitron, not if you're transcoding from extreme bitrates.23:38
hamitronawilkins: I have oggplay for symbian :)23:38
nucc1not noticeably anyway.23:38
nucc1hamitron, anything that doesn't integrate with the default media player is not good enough.23:39
nucc1most third-party media players spend more time trying to make fancy graphics than they do making the app usable.23:39
* awilkins notes that Android supports Vorbis23:39
nucc1there's winamp for android too23:40
nucc1which always supported vorbis23:40
hamitronthe nokia mp3 player on the ngage is something I can miss ty ;)23:40
* hamitron shudders at the thought of using it23:40
nucc1just might jump into the half-open android scene eventually23:40
hamitronI refuse23:40
hamitronso many people moving to android, and I don't like doing what is normal23:41
nucc1i'm thinking of a more radical thing, like giving up smartphones alltogether.23:41
hamitronbuilding your own?23:41
awilkinsI was on a crappy old RAZR for years23:41
nucc1using a candybar.23:41
hamitronI am tempted23:42
nucc1i've always been a nokia user though, and the 6300 was my all time favourite.23:42
awilkinsWifelet is still using a 3310 candybar but she's ready to throw it out the window now - needs a new phone that befits her new job23:42
nucc1one that needs charging every 3 hours :)23:42
nucc1he he.23:42
hamitronwhat you get for playing snake all the time ;/23:42
nucc1saw a blog post somewhere about some dude in IT support lamenting the case of a lady who returned her blackberry that the battery wasn't good.23:43
nucc1she was used to her old candybar lasting 3 days.23:43
nucc1and the "upgrade" became a less than a full-day device23:43
hamitronI need coffee23:44
hamitronbrb :)23:44
nucc1i need yogurt. off to the fridge23:44
awilkinsI had to learn to manage my running application profile to get a full day :-)23:44
hamitronanyone tried Windows Thin PC CTP yet?23:51
HazRPG\o/ hamitron23:55
hamitronjust wondering23:56
hamitrongonna try it23:56

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