| kdub_ | http://gnome3.org/ is coming down the pipes soon | 00:20 |
|---|---|---|
| nhaines | And so it has. | 00:34 |
| iheartubuntu | gnome3 looks nice. i wonder how it will work in real life though. | 00:52 |
| kdub_ | i'm gonna try it out today | 00:55 |
| nhaines | I would try it if there were any way to run it from a Live CD. | 00:56 |
| * iheartubuntu still does not understand why university blocks IRC | 02:06 | |
| kevin37353088484 | random.randrange(1,100000000000,1) :P | 02:48 |
| iheartubuntu | HOLY COW.... someone else is using Ubuntu here at the university! Their name popped up in Empathy as "users nearby" | 03:06 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 03:07 |
| iheartubuntu | no!!! the girl is using a mac | 03:10 |
| iheartubuntu | dang | 03:10 |
| iheartubuntu | if they can see me then my name is iheartubuntu ") | 03:10 |
| iheartubuntu | thats too bad. would have been fun to connect with someone else using ubuntu. | 03:13 |
| akk | What does "users nearby" show? Maybe just people using any chat protocol? | 03:16 |
| iheartubuntu | this i dont know | 03:17 |
| iheartubuntu | well, at work it does not show say, my wife using icq, or my sis using yahoo | 03:17 |
| iheartubuntu | but in empathy there is a "people nearby" that picks up anyone on the local network i guess | 03:18 |
| akk | Of course I also wonder what "nearby" means in the internet age ... same subnet? | 03:18 |
| iheartubuntu | i guess they have to have their chat client running too | 03:18 |
| iheartubuntu | so maybe ichat in a mac works similar to empathy | 03:19 |
| iheartubuntu | has anyone played Penumbra on ubuntu? i got it with the humble indie bundle, but never been able to run it (resolution probs) | 03:19 |
| iheartubuntu | "henry" is also a mac user... although it wont let me communicate with him | 03:20 |
| iheartubuntu | so two people now... both mac users | 03:20 |
| kevin37353088484 | oh hey, iheartubuntu i lost that link to the comic creating program. do you still have it. | 03:33 |
| kevin37353088484 | i drew a maverick meerkat from that sticker i got at SCaLE for my niece today | 03:33 |
| iheartubuntu | uno momento | 03:33 |
| kevin37353088484 | it turned out not so bad | 03:33 |
| iheartubuntu | what | 03:33 |
| kevin37353088484 | the drawing | 03:34 |
| akk | A GSOC student applied today to GIMP to fix the comic-book filter. That would be a fun project, if it gets approved. | 03:34 |
| kevin37353088484 | i'm not sure what a comic book filter is | 03:35 |
| akk | Turn a photo into something that looks like a comic. | 03:35 |
| akk | Except it doesn't -- it works very poorly, right now. | 03:35 |
| kevin37353088484 | ah, i see | 03:36 |
| kevin37353088484 | speaking of comics, i was at UCLA the other day and they had Marvel vs. Capcom there, and i was wondering why they didn't make cartoons with the art they used in that game | 03:36 |
| iheartubuntu | akk , there is a plugin in gimp or is it already in gimp? | 03:43 |
| akk | already there | 03:44 |
| * iheartubuntu waiting desperately to get home so i can brew some espresso | 03:45 | |
| iheartubuntu | any clue why a university would block irc?? | 03:46 |
| iheartubuntu | they arent blocking some chat clients like yahoo messenger, icq, gmail chat, etc. i wonder why they block irc | 03:46 |
| pleia2 | a lot of them do, there are lots of irc channels for doing questionable things like sharing illegal files, etc | 03:46 |
| pleia2 | freenode is exceptional in its usefulness :) | 03:47 |
| pleia2 | people used to host filesharing bots, and run their own (xdcc was the most popular) | 03:48 |
| pleia2 | they took up loooots of bandwidth over dcc, so schools shut of all access | 03:49 |
| iheartubuntu | ohh i see. DANG | 03:49 |
| iheartubuntu | doing irc via webchat isnt very fun or easy | 03:50 |
| iheartubuntu_ | Italy gave you the boot! | 04:26 |
| kevin37353088484 | was it Sarcozzi? | 04:27 |
| kevin37353088484 | i think that's his name | 04:27 |
| kevin37353088484 | "The Heel of Italy" | 04:28 |
| kevin37353088484 | wrong country | 04:29 |
| kevin37353088484 | Berlusconi | 04:29 |
| kevin37353088484 | i and i | 04:29 |
| kevin37353088484 | coincidence? | 04:29 |
| iheartubuntu_ | dang, 30 minute warning at library here | 04:31 |
| iheartubuntu_ | so i hung out friday night with 6 women... my wife and five IRS auditors. Let me tell you stories :) | 04:32 |
| kevin37353088484 | i should go to good will when i'm in LA, see if they have any long ethernet cables. they sell them for like $1 | 04:32 |
| kevin37353088484 | no vga cables though | 04:32 |
| iheartubuntu_ | i'm melting! i'm melting! | 04:34 |
| * iheartubuntu is installing gnome3 in VB | 07:34 | |
| iheartubuntu | ohhh wow, its pretty nice! | 07:38 |
| iheartubuntu | i feel like im on a star trek computer | 07:38 |
| iheartubuntu | burning to disc. will try it out as a live cd. doesnt render well in virtualbox | 07:46 |
| kdub_ | ghost kdub | 16:14 |
| kdub_ | whoops, at least i didnt put the pw out :) | 16:14 |
| === kdub_ is now known as kdub | ||
| DarkwingDuck | :) | 16:28 |
| kdub | DarkwingDuck: we're thinknig the next ubuntu hour SD will be 4/19, if you can make ti | 18:08 |
| kdub | i'm gonna print up my flier, put it up around UCSD/USD and see who we can get to come out | 18:09 |
| iheartubuntu | that reminds me, i need to whip up a flyer to put around Cal State LA and maybe around CalTech about Ubuntu Hour | 18:11 |
| DarkwingDuck | kdub: awesome. | 18:15 |
| DarkwingDuck | kdub: advertise it as a Ubuntu Hour and Install party | 18:15 |
| iheartubuntu | one hour seems like not enough :) | 18:17 |
| * iheartubuntu considers starting an Ubuntu Marathon :) j/k | 18:18 | |
| nhaines | Please do not do install parties running for less than 5 hours. | 18:18 |
| pleia2 | yeah, it's easy to think you can get an install done in an hour but it never works out like that | 18:19 |
| iheartubuntu | I tried to run a daily build of Natty LiveCD last night and it would get going | 18:19 |
| pleia2 | you end up getting kicked out of your venue with a half installed machine left in a horrible state | 18:19 |
| pleia2 | kicked out == they close, etc | 18:19 |
| pleia2 | we had 5 hours planned for our last installfest and we were there for 6 debugging a RAM issue | 18:20 |
| kdub | I don't know if I want to be there for 5 hours :) | 18:20 |
| pleia2 | people tend to come to installfests because they tried and had problems, so they want help and it takes a while to debug | 18:21 |
| iheartubuntu | GNOME3 is very interesting. It seems very basic, yet powerful. | 18:21 |
| kdub | i tried it out too, i like gnome3 | 18:21 |
| * kdub has always been a graphics type person | 18:21 | |
| iheartubuntu | I have my dads old desktop here with a "low memory" problem. | 18:22 |
| iheartubuntu | im thinking to redo the bios maybe to fix the prob | 18:22 |
| iheartubuntu | its an ubunut system that takes like 10 reboots to ever boot into ubuntu | 18:22 |
| iheartubuntu | i never had a prob on that computer until recently upgrading from 10.04 to 10.10 | 18:23 |
| iheartubuntu | maybe there is a grub setting that got changed | 18:23 |
| kdub | DarkwingDuck: i think i'm gonna distribute the fliers and location for april at SDSU, as its a strong engineering school... | 18:25 |
| DarkwingDuck | Aye, where are we going to hold it? | 18:26 |
| kdub | i'm thinking at the starbucks at La Jolla Shopping Center, its walking distance from the campus | 18:28 |
| kdub | I haven't seen that particular location yet though, will swing by it on the way back from work today to check it out | 18:29 |
| DarkwingDuck | Okay | 18:31 |
| kdub | if its a good location, i'll make the announcement, print the fliers, etc today | 18:33 |
| pleia2 | fwiw I offer to give tips about issues with ubuntu at every ubuntu hour, you don't need to call it an installfest to give 15 minutes of help :) | 18:33 |
| pleia2 | so people bring laptops and things with weird problems and we can try to debug | 18:33 |
| pleia2 | also, why is it only tuesday? :( | 18:34 |
| DarkwingDuck | Okay kdub. | 18:57 |
| kdub | i've also been keeping my antennae up for the other hackers groups around here | 18:59 |
| kdub | found 12-15 who meet once a month out by the 15/52 | 18:59 |
| kdub | in addition to kplug | 18:59 |
| DarkwingDuck | I think there are a couple of hackerspaces here in SD | 19:00 |
| kdub | there's one i know of, relatively new (november). still havent made it out there, but i think they have a warehouse. clairemont area if i remember | 19:01 |
| DarkwingDuck | kdub: there are two listed here... http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/List_of_People | 19:05 |
| kdub | nucleon has a physical space though, the other group is more of a coffeehouse coders group | 19:08 |
| * kdub always associates hackerspaces with physical hardware hacks | 19:08 | |
| === Guest460372 is now known as seidos | ||
| === seidos is now known as kevin50047419529 | ||
| iheartubuntu | how about... kevin8675309 | 19:18 |
| kevin50047419529 | i'm using random.randrange(1,100000000000,1) to generate the number | 19:19 |
| kevin50047419529 | in python | 19:19 |
| kevin50047419529 | hey do you have experience with ecommerce iheartubuntu? | 19:19 |
| jledbetter | kevin50047419529, We share a lot of channels. | 19:20 |
| iheartubuntu | what sort of ecommerce? | 19:20 |
| kevin50047419529 | jledbetter: 3 | 19:22 |
| akk | If you'd drop about 4 zeroes from that, it would disturb the xchat separator line a lot less. | 19:22 |
| jledbetter | Seems like more. | 19:22 |
| * kevin50047419529 laughs | 19:23 | |
| kevin50047419529 | big numbers are fun though :( | 19:23 |
| * akk wants an xchat setting to say "automatically adjust the separator line but not for any nick longer than 12 chars" | 19:23 | |
| jledbetter | +1 akk | 19:23 |
| kevin50047419529 | iheartubuntu: like, you click a link it says "give me 5 cents for that" | 19:24 |
| kevin50047419529 | i'll get on that akk | 19:24 |
| iheartubuntu | quite an interesting link for me... my music biz back in '95 used the thawte security protection (thawte was founded by shuttleworth). i used it because my GF at the time had connections to shuttleworth. small world! she bought me the domains and the thawte service (which i couldnt afford!) | 19:24 |
| kevin50047419529 | jledbetter: it is transparent that you don't really like me | 19:24 |
| kevin50047419529 | to be blunt | 19:24 |
| kevin50047419529 | you must think i'm an ignoramus, i can assure you i am trying | 19:24 |
| jledbetter | kevin50047419529, Untrue. You are sometimes very random and confusing. | 19:25 |
| iheartubuntu | back then in 95 my whole shopping cart system was set up for me. nowadays i use websites like payloadz or e-junkie for shopping carts | 19:25 |
| === kevin50047419529 is now known as kevin4942941 | ||
| kevin4942941 | jledbetter: untrue, it all makes perfect sense to me | 19:25 |
| jledbetter | kevin4942941, Perhaps I am alone in feeling that it is disruptive at times. | 19:25 |
| kevin4942941 | iheartubuntu: what about paypal? | 19:25 |
| kevin4942941 | jledbetter: i doubt you are | 19:26 |
| pleia2 | no, she's not | 19:26 |
| kevin4942941 | maybe i'll get voted off the island | 19:26 |
| iheartubuntu | paypal works fine if you have an item to send. they dont handle digital downloads... say of a a ZIP file, a PDF book, a DEB file for sale, etc | 19:26 |
| kevin4942941 | well, my cat loves me :| | 19:27 |
| kevin4942941 | ah, interesting iheartubuntu, thanks | 19:27 |
| kevin4942941 | so does my neighbor's dog | 19:27 |
| kevin4942941 | payloadz or e-junkie i'll keep that in mind | 19:27 |
| pleia2 | kevin4942941: disruptive and random doesn't mean "don't like you" | 19:28 |
| iheartubuntu | there is no island kevin8675309 | 19:28 |
| akk | right, +1 pleia2 | 19:28 |
| akk | and jledbetter | 19:28 |
| iheartubuntu | we are all on the same boat :) | 19:28 |
| jledbetter | +1 pleia2 | 19:29 |
| * kevin4942941 blinks | 19:29 | |
| * kdub buys boatload of sparkfun | 19:30 | |
| pleia2 | kdub++ | 19:30 |
| kevin4942941 | allspark | 19:31 |
| kevin4942941 | connections | 19:31 |
| kevin4942941 | aren't random | 19:31 |
| kevin4942941 | they are quite frequently "weird"... | 19:31 |
| iheartubuntu | like my connection to anna chapman for example | 19:31 |
| iheartubuntu | j/k | 19:32 |
| iheartubuntu | :) | 19:32 |
| iheartubuntu | i'll be visited by the cia tomorrow | 19:33 |
| kevin4942941 | any relation to the IRS? | 19:33 |
| iheartubuntu | yes | 19:33 |
| iheartubuntu | Internets Running Slow | 19:34 |
| kevin4942941 | no, brain is | 19:34 |
| kevin4942941 | for a 2nd i'm thinking "does he really know anna chapman" | 19:34 |
| kevin4942941 | what a maroon | 19:34 |
| iheartubuntu | haha | 19:34 |
| * iheartubuntu laughs hysterically under his breath while kevin isnt looking | 19:35 | |
| iheartubuntu | actually... | 19:35 |
| kevin4942941 | does anna chapman work for the iRS? | 19:35 |
| iheartubuntu | actually my wife has to field all the anna chapman questions ever since that happened. | 19:35 |
| kevin4942941 | who is anna chapman dating, anyway? | 19:35 |
| kevin4942941 | not that i follow celebrity gossip | 19:35 |
| iheartubuntu | I think she works for FSB actually, the russian cia now | 19:36 |
| kevin4942941 | i wonder who her male counterpart is | 19:36 |
| kevin4942941 | what? that's weird | 19:36 |
| kevin4942941 | so like Putin is her boyfriend? | 19:36 |
| iheartubuntu | i tihnk she worked for them all along, its just out in the open now | 19:36 |
| iheartubuntu | i wonder how russia is going to transition to ubuntu coming soon.. what is it 2012? or 2014? | 19:38 |
| iheartubuntu | thats a big task | 19:38 |
| iheartubuntu | most russians in russia i know have never even seen ubuntu | 19:38 |
| kevin4942941 | it's easy to learn imho | 19:39 |
| kevin4942941 | but it does have some limitations | 19:40 |
| iheartubuntu | even the SysAdmins there dont use ubuntu. everything is WinXP stuff | 19:40 |
| iheartubuntu | and everything is pi-rat-ed there | 19:40 |
| iheartubuntu | i mean everything | 19:40 |
| kevin4942941 | "everything"? that sounds crazy | 19:40 |
| iheartubuntu | i bought the entire Beatles collection for $1 | 19:40 |
| * iheartubuntu thinks it was legal there tho | 19:40 | |
| kevin4942941 | i've used russian websites to buy music | 19:40 |
| kevin4942941 | i thought it was legal | 19:41 |
| kevin4942941 | and yeah, it was that inexpensive | 19:41 |
| iheartubuntu | so for russia to switch to ubuntu is going to be HUGE | 19:41 |
| iheartubuntu | and i think it will help the country too | 19:41 |
| kdub | i think they're just switching to linux b/c they don't trust american microsoft | 19:42 |
| * kdub doesn't either :) | 19:42 | |
| iheartubuntu | russia is changing and the old mindset of copying things will dissappear eventually if OS and software is free | 19:42 |
| iheartubuntu | tons of great programmers there too | 19:42 |
| kevin4942941 | more competition | 19:42 |
| kdub | at the highest levels of the descision though, i'm sure there was concern about MS/CIA backdoors | 19:42 |
| kevin4942941 | i just read a tweet from _capitalism_ about how there are 800 chinese that can do my job for me | 19:42 |
| iheartubuntu | tons of russian games for WinXP ive seen there that ive never seen here... so once russia switches to open source i bet we'll have an influx of new free software and games. games! | 19:43 |
| kevin4942941 | i'm not sure why every country doesn't have their own linux o.s. | 19:43 |
| kdub | iheartubuntu: thats true, should be good! | 19:43 |
| kevin4942941 | well, every industrialized country | 19:43 |
| iheartubuntu | arent the facebook and google founders russian? | 19:44 |
| iheartubuntu | dont know if they were born there tho. | 19:44 |
| iheartubuntu | but everyone i met there is like 10x smarter than myself. | 19:44 |
| iheartubuntu | not uhhhhh saying im not smart or anything :) | 19:44 |
| kevin4942941 | Zuckerberg is russian? | 19:44 |
| iheartubuntu | i dont know | 19:45 |
| kevin4942941 | Serge Brin and Larry Page? | 19:45 |
| kevin4942941 | Serge Brin may be a russian name | 19:45 |
| kdub | sergei is russian born | 19:45 |
| kevin4942941 | dang, and he went to Stanford | 19:45 |
| kdub | larry was michigan born like me :D | 19:45 |
| kdub | and U-Michigan | 19:45 |
| kevin4942941 | all right kdub, you went to U-Michigan like Larry Page, you can be captain for a day | 19:46 |
| iheartubuntu | so i think that will be pretty good once russia makes the move. | 19:46 |
| kevin4942941 | o captain my captain | 19:46 |
| kdub | sweet, captain of the boat! | 19:46 |
| kevin4942941 | i'll need a cutlass captain, there may be a mutiny | 19:47 |
| kevin4942941 | might i propose a first mate, me. | 19:47 |
| iheartubuntu | im trying to get my 20 yo inlaw to switch to ubuntu. he is stuck on winxp and he wont move because he is a gamer. and no incentive for him to switch with games costing a buck | 19:47 |
| kevin4942941 | captain, heavy is the head that wears the crown...or...captain hat as it were | 19:47 |
| kevin4942941 | yeah i looked up u michigan stats, their graduation rates were on par with UCLA and Cal Tech | 19:48 |
| kevin4942941 | i should've took my education more seriously in high school, but i really didn't like high school much. | 19:48 |
| kevin4942941 | i didn't start enjoying college really until recently | 19:48 |
| kevin4942941 | yeah, you can't really be lazy and use ubuntu | 19:49 |
| akk | Gaming is probably one use case where Linux isn't quite ready yet. | 19:49 |
| kevin4942941 | it's too bad, since it's the recruitment tool | 19:49 |
| akk | Telling people to stop playing the games they like and play different games isn't a convincing argument. | 19:49 |
| kevin4942941 | i was thinking of pressed cd's had a graphic of a meerkat, lynx, narwhal, etc. it might be possible to get more young people interested | 19:50 |
| kevin4942941 | or even to play their games in wine | 19:50 |
| kevin4942941 | i mean, i know there is a performance hit | 19:50 |
| kevin4942941 | it may not matter on some systems though | 19:50 |
| kevin4942941 | just use more power | 19:50 |
| kdub | akk: linux is as ready as any other system for games, in terms of capability | 19:50 |
| kdub | investment from publishers, not so much | 19:51 |
| akk | kdub: I'm not a 3D programmer, but what I hear is that the 3D APIs are awful and it's hard to make them work reliably. | 19:51 |
| kdub | you probably heard that from the direct 3d crowd, who is stubborn about using anything opengl | 19:51 |
| akk | kdub: Someone from Mozilla, I think it was, had an article recently about how web 3d didn't work right on linux except on certain nvidia cards. | 19:51 |
| * kdub writes graphics cards for a living :( | 19:52 | |
| kevin4942941 | o captain my captain | 19:52 |
| kdub | X is something of a mess, wayland is pretty cool | 19:52 |
| kevin4942941 | i wonder what 3d api WoW uses | 19:52 |
| kevin4942941 | i doubt direct 3d since there is a mac version | 19:53 |
| akk | darn, I can't find the article. It was just a week or two ago. | 19:53 |
| kevin4942941 | i wonder why the mac version wouldn't work on linux... | 19:53 |
| kevin4942941 | it would have to be compiled :| | 19:53 |
| kevin4942941 | i think... | 19:53 |
| kdub | there's all sorts of architectural things that might have to change between mac & linux that would make it tough | 19:54 |
| akk | http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/216874/firefox_4_beta_9_gives_short_shrift_to_linux_users.html | 19:54 |
| akk | "We tried enabling OpenGL on Linux, and discovered that most Linux drivers are so disastrously buggy (think ‘crash the X server at the drop of a hat, and paint incorrectly the rest of the time' buggy) that we had to disable it for now," | 19:54 |
| kevin4942941 | ah, right the Mac doesn't use the linux kernel | 19:54 |
| akk | and that was from Boris Zbarsky, who has been a huge and untiring linux advocate at mozilla for about a decade | 19:54 |
| kevin4942941 | what was i thinking | 19:55 |
| * kevin4942941 walks the plank | 19:55 | |
| akk | When Boris says something like that, I pay attention. | 19:55 |
| kdub | i don't think thats a fair article | 19:56 |
| kevin4942941 | the funny thing is, i tend to think in terms of 2d games lately. i mean warcraft 2 is 2d, it is still a fun game to play for me | 19:57 |
| kevin4942941 | starcraft also | 19:57 |
| akk | kdub: What's wrong with it? | 19:57 |
| kdub | i guess my anecdotal experience conflicts with his, so i don't like it | 19:58 |
| akk | I know I've had huge problems getting google earth to work under Linux, but that could just mean that google hasn't bothered to make it work. | 19:58 |
| kdub | the big headache is how drivers are split up | 19:59 |
| akk | What graphics cards do you use/develop for, kdub? | 19:59 |
| akk | I know I've had trouble with several older ATIs and several Intel graphics chips (the newest Intels seem better). | 19:59 |
| kevin4942941 | i wonder if it's because there are so many video cards and not enough developers writing open source drivers for them | 20:00 |
| kevin4942941 | i mean, i know drivers are often used for hardware that haven't been specifically written for it | 20:01 |
| kevin4942941 | like my intel g960/965, it uses the i915 driver, which may not be optimal | 20:01 |
| kdub | akk: mobile ones, not the usual suspects | 20:01 |
| kevin4942941 | i guess it could have some kind of "unified driver architecture" and i wonder if that implies that the drivers for all architectures are included in a single "package" | 20:02 |
| kevin4942941 | kdub: who makes mobile graphics chips? | 20:05 |
| kevin4942941 | hmm, i thought the ati cards were working well with open source drivers | 20:06 |
| kevin4942941 | looks like toshiba, nvidia...perhaps ati | 20:09 |
| kevin4942941 | arm | 20:09 |
| === rbarot__ is now known as rbarot_ | ||
| iheartubuntu | does anyone know where the MBR is stored? on the hard drive or ram or ?? | 20:22 |
| akk | It's the first part of the disk. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record | 20:23 |
| iheartubuntu | so formatting should wipe it | 20:39 |
| iheartubuntu | im getting some low memory errors and i think its from some info on the mbr, i was just going to format the HD and reinstall ubuntu | 20:40 |
| akk | Installing will overwrite the mbr if you tell the installer to install grub2 to the mbr. | 20:42 |
| akk | Partitioning in the installer won't. | 20:42 |
| iheartubuntu | i cant even get into this drive right now using an ubuntu disc. im using parted magic on ultimate rescue disc... after backing up the data i was going to format the hard drive from parted magic and then reboot and try to install ubuntu with a fresh drive | 20:43 |
| iheartubuntu | for some reason im unable to boot a ubuntu livecd | 20:44 |
| iheartubuntu | but can use the rescue disc | 20:44 |
| kevin4942941 | that is kind of strange | 21:00 |
| kevin4942941 | i've never used a rescue disc | 21:00 |
| kevin4942941 | well, i used a rescue disc awhile back to change a windows passwd i forgot | 21:00 |
| kevin4942941 | that was back when i was using windows though | 21:01 |
| nhaines | iheartubuntu: formatting does not touch the MBR at all. | 21:03 |
| iheartubuntu | how do i touch the mrb then | 21:03 |
| iheartubuntu | i wonder why the ubuntu disc hangs, but a rescue disc (linux) boots into it fine | 21:03 |
| iheartubuntu | im going to try a 10.04 disc instead of 10.10 | 21:03 |
| nhaines | iheartubuntu: use a partitioning tool like Disk Utility (palimpset) or GNOME Partition Editor. | 21:03 |
| kevin4942941 | iheartubuntu: different kernel versions? | 21:04 |
| nhaines | The MBR has absolutely nothing to do with memory. Is there a specific reason you suspect the MBR? | 21:04 |
| kevin4942941 | i thought you were using gparted iheartubuntu | 21:04 |
| nhaines | iheartubuntu: to me that literally sounds like someone saying "I'm getting bad reception on my TV. I think it's from some info in the TV Guide listings." | 21:07 |
| nhaines | Except maybe it's bad radio reception because of the TV Guide listings. That sounds like a better analogy. | 21:07 |
| * akk agrees with nhaines | 21:08 | |
| iheartubuntu | i was getting a low memory error | 21:09 |
| akk | And why do you think that points to an mbr problem? | 21:09 |
| kevin4942941 | to me, i think the analogy is uncalled for. | 21:09 |
| nhaines | iheartubuntu: sounds like you don't have enough memory then. How much RAM is in the system? | 21:09 |
| iheartubuntu | someplace on the internets i read about changing something in the boot record | 21:09 |
| iheartubuntu | 1GB maxed out | 21:09 |
| akk | It might be a bad RAM chip -- when I see memory errors I usually try running memtest first. | 21:09 |
| iheartubuntu | this computer ran fine with 10.04 | 21:10 |
| nhaines | The MBR just defines the way the disk is partitioned. | 21:10 |
| iheartubuntu | after upgrade to 10.10 i was getting low mem error | 21:10 |
| iheartubuntu | "memory corruption detected in low memory" | 21:10 |
| nhaines | That's not an out-of-memory error, that's a memory corruption error. | 21:11 |
| nhaines | Run memtest to see if it can narrow it down to a specific DIMM, then toss that DIMM and replace the memory in the computer. | 21:11 |
| iheartubuntu | but strangely i didnt have the error before the upgrade | 21:11 |
| nhaines | Where does the MBR come in? | 21:11 |
| kevin4942941 | hopefully it's not a bug in 10.10 the caused the memory problem | 21:11 |
| iheartubuntu | nhaines... i have no idea | 21:11 |
| nhaines | iheartubuntu: coincidence is not causation. :) | 21:12 |
| iheartubuntu | something i read | 21:12 |
| nhaines | iheartubuntu: I'd love a link to that page or article. | 21:12 |
| kevin4942941 | i'm just paranoid after my battery, and i heard there's a bug that is borking ssds in #ubuntu-beginners and #ubuntu-nz | 21:13 |
| iheartubuntu | cannot find a page. i had so many open last night. there was a bug or two filed about this, but i dont think it was version specific | 21:15 |
| kevin4942941 | is it a system76 system iheartubuntu? | 21:16 |
| iheartubuntu | no, an old sony viao | 21:16 |
| kevin4942941 | i am wondering because i am thinking hardware that doesn't have linux in mind should be avoided like the plague if at all possible | 21:16 |
| kevin4942941 | i had a vaio at an old job. nice little 14" notebook | 21:16 |
| iheartubuntu | my dad just bought a brand new slimline gateway for $500 on the weekend. it is AWESOME with ubuntu | 21:17 |
| akk | I've had several nice vaios. | 21:17 |
| iheartubuntu | this viao is pretty old :) like 2002 | 21:17 |
| akk | Only buying from linux-friendly companies is great in principle, but they're all so small that you don't get much selection. | 21:17 |
| iheartubuntu | a P4 2.40ghtz | 21:17 |
| akk | If they don't have what you're looking for, you have to look elsewhere. | 21:17 |
| kevin4942941 | gateway is weird, i don't know why i've heard such good things about them | 21:17 |
| iheartubuntu | after i stopped building my own computers ive bought only gateway. never a prob. | 21:18 |
| kevin4942941 | i wonder, why they would any better, perhaps kernel hackers buy gateways | 21:18 |
| iheartubuntu | all my gateways with ubuntu work great | 21:18 |
| iheartubuntu | 2 old laptops and 2 newer desktops | 21:18 |
| kevin4942941 | when i bought my toshiba i assumed linux worked awesome on everything | 21:18 |
| nhaines | No hardware is really made with Linux in mind. As long as it's standards compliant it should be fine. | 21:18 |
| kevin4942941 | i would have spent a little more for hardware that is more compatible | 21:19 |
| akk | Zeareason is made with linux in mind ... at least for some models, Cathy went to Taiwan and had machines explicitly speced. | 21:19 |
| akk | (specced? specked?) | 21:19 |
| kevin4942941 | i wonder why you believe this nhaines | 21:19 |
| kevin4942941 | specced i guess | 21:19 |
| nhaines | kevin4942941: because it's true. | 21:20 |
| kevin4942941 | weird | 21:20 |
| kevin4942941 | specification doesn't have a k | 21:20 |
| akk | It doesn't have two cs either, though. :) | 21:20 |
| kevin4942941 | akk just pointed out an example where it is not | 21:20 |
| nhaines | akk: I think it's more likely she went and had hardware built with specific chipsets in mind. | 21:20 |
| kevin4942941 | i know, i was going to say speced, or perhaps spec'ed | 21:20 |
| nhaines | kevin4942941: I don't think she did. | 21:20 |
| akk | no apostrophes for plurals, ick | 21:20 |
| akk | nhaines: What's the difference between specing a chipset and specing other hardware in the machine? | 21:21 |
| kevin4942941 | yeah, that's why i went with specced | 21:21 |
| akk | Seems like what matters is that the machine is designed (parts chosen) with linux compatibility in mind. | 21:21 |
| nhaines | akk: nothing, really, and that's why I don't think there's a significant difference. | 21:21 |
| kevin4942941 | iow, it isn't true that some hardware isn't built with linux in mind | 21:22 |
| nhaines | akk: the value add is that Kathy did the work for you. Which is way awesome and totally worth it. :) | 21:22 |
| kevin4942941 | i wouldn't be surprised if hardware specs aren't collaborated with software developers in the linux community | 21:22 |
| kevin4942941 | sony could simply be working closer with microsoft than with linux developers, i suspect that's what happened with my toshiba | 21:23 |
| kevin4942941 | and considering the latest windows ads... | 21:23 |
| kevin4942941 | i'm lucky it works as good as it does | 21:24 |
| akk | Sony is pretty evil. I love my Vaios but I don't like the company much. | 21:24 |
| akk | They're even more MS-centric than most companies, and also make repair and parts difficult. | 21:24 |
| nhaines | The only hardware I know that was built with Linux in mind was the HDTV 5000 card I bought. | 21:24 |
| iheartubuntu | so for some STRANGE reason, 10.04 finally booted into the live disc after sitting for 20 minutes | 21:24 |
| iheartubuntu | im attempting to install it now. but i wonder if there is an underlying memory problem | 21:25 |
| akk | nhaines: "built" meaning chips designed from the silicon level, not just assembling components into a consumer product? | 21:25 |
| kevin4942941 | i would do a memtest from the livecd | 21:25 |
| iheartubuntu | i did a mem test sunday for about 45 minutes and had no errors | 21:25 |
| nhaines | akk: in this case, more like "we specced it out and wrote Free Linux drivers, but couldn't be bothered to write Windows ones." | 21:25 |
| kevin4942941 | the corrupt memory error would freak me out enough to run one iheartubuntu | 21:25 |
| iheartubuntu | i was also getting the same error with 500mb ram installed (two different chips) | 21:25 |
| kevin4942941 | but you're probably more of a risk taker than i am | 21:26 |
| akk | Ah, built meaning the company that built the silicon also wrote drivers. Gotcha. | 21:26 |
| akk | Intel writes drivers for some of their hardware (though sadly, the linux drivers are usually inferior to the windows ones). | 21:26 |
| kevin4942941 | as more tech is outsource to india and china, perhaps that will change | 21:27 |
| akk | I've been buying machines with Intel hardware lately for that reason, hoping they'll run linux better (and they do, but not entirely without glitches). | 21:27 |
| kevin4942941 | i would think AMD would run better | 21:27 |
| nhaines | Here's another example. None of Western Digital's hard drives are supported by the company in Linux. | 21:27 |
| kevin4942941 | i mean, they right drivers for the ati cards | 21:28 |
| nhaines | But they're ATA-compliant and run beautifully. | 21:28 |
| akk | It would be great if all hardware followed specs as well as hard drives. | 21:28 |
| akk | Can you imagine, a generic video card driver where you could take any video card and everything would just work? | 21:28 |
| kevin4942941 | well, that's probably not really "support". that probably just means people can't call you guys for software support | 21:28 |
| iheartubuntu | so doing some more google searches on my low mem error... sounds like i could have edited the boot options to increase memory error setting | 21:28 |
| nhaines | This is where, for the permanent Google record, I state that I work for Western Digital, however the opinions expressed on this topic are my own and do not reflect the opinions of Western Digital. | 21:28 |
| akk | Or a wi-fi card standard that every wi-fi chipset followed? <wistful sigh> | 21:29 |
| iheartubuntu | i'll do that if i still have install probs | 21:29 |
| nhaines | akk: that's called VESA. ;) | 21:29 |
| kdub | akk: thats somewhat of a gross oversimplification of graphics stacks | 21:29 |
| kevin4942941 | i wonder about the fujitsu drive that used to be in this system | 21:29 |
| kevin4942941 | it was a little flaky | 21:29 |
| nhaines | kevin4942941: we'll help make sure your drive is physically installed and jumpered correctly and that's it. | 21:29 |
| akk | nhaines: uh, yeah :) | 21:29 |
| kevin4942941 | iheartubuntu: it's a corrupt memory error, now low memory...though i guess i can see your point. "this segment of memory is corrupt, therefore you have less memory now" | 21:30 |
| kevin4942941 | perhaps that's what youre thinking | 21:30 |
| kevin4942941 | dang...i can't type | 21:30 |
| nhaines | iheartubuntu: "low memory" means the first 640K built into the motherboard. | 21:31 |
| kevin4942941 | the fingers have a mind of their own | 21:31 |
| akk | iheartubuntu told us the error message, "memory corruption detected in low memory" | 21:31 |
| akk | The "low" doesn't mean "out of memory", it means "low memory addresses" | 21:31 |
| iheartubuntu | ok i found this at the bottom of the bug... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/324894/ | 21:32 |
| kevin4942941 | i didn't read that. i just thought it was "memory corruption detected" | 21:32 |
| kevin4942941 | empathy doesn't have logs :( | 21:32 |
| iheartubuntu | empathy has logs | 21:32 |
| kevin4942941 | let me search for them | 21:32 |
| iheartubuntu | under view | 21:32 |
| iheartubuntu | prievious conversations | 21:33 |
| iheartubuntu | it even has search | 21:33 |
| iheartubuntu | so if you said "dick tracy" 17 days ago it will find it | 21:33 |
| kevin4942941 | dang i was hoping i could use grep :| | 21:33 |
| kevin4942941 | cool, thanks iheartubuntu i was looking for a log file in ~/ | 21:34 |
| kevin4942941 | it is kind of nice to have more expressive emoticons too | 21:36 |
| iheartubuntu | i am getting more into just using what ubuntu offers. empathy instead of pidgin. ubuntuone instead of dropbox, etc | 21:43 |
| kevin4942941 | hmmm, so wayland isn't going to be supported by nvidia, that narrows hardware down | 21:43 |
| iheartubuntu | empathy matches gwibber too IMO and they all work well with the indicator too | 21:43 |
| kevin4942941 | i wonder if the future is just going to be integrated hardware companies like apple, and microsoft to an extent | 21:43 |
| kevin4942941 | considering they have their xbox, why they don't just sell pc's... | 21:43 |
| kevin4942941 | hmmm, maybe they just have a deal with toshiba, and perhaps sony | 21:44 |
| kevin4942941 | yeah, i don't like gwibber | 21:44 |
| kdub | wayland wont have to "be supported" by nvidia, nvidia already supports DRI | 21:44 |
| akk | I was going to ask whether that was any different from nvidia's past support of X. | 21:44 |
| kevin4942941 | oh gods...that makes no sense kdub | 21:44 |
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| kevin4942941 | i'll look up DRI | 21:44 |
| akk | kdub: DRI is standard enough that wayland won't need separate drivers for different cards? | 21:45 |
| nhaines | kevin4942941: you don't think what kdub said makes any sense but you don't know what DRI is? | 21:46 |
| kdub | krh thought about what the driver developers would do, and i'm pretty sure DRI is the only requisite for wayland | 21:46 |
| kevin4942941 | nbaines: i don't see what the problem is, aside from own ignorance, which i already acknowledged | 21:47 |
| kdub | its an exciting time for graphics | 21:47 |
| iheartubuntu | i like gwibber. hotot is pretty nice too | 21:47 |
| kevin4942941 | but if you're just doing it to stroke your own ego nhaines...then *pat* *pat* *pat* | 21:48 |
| kevin4942941 | gwibber wasn't getting feeds in, so i just use twitter in a pinned tab | 21:48 |
| kevin4942941 | DRI = dopamine reuptake inhibitor | 21:49 |
| kevin4942941 | :P | 21:49 |
| kevin4942941 | i use DRI for my depression | 21:49 |
| nhaines | kevin4942941: yes, my confusion at your statement (paraphrased "I claim kdub's assertion is logically deficient, by the way I don't know what he said") is to stroke my ego. | 21:52 |
| nhaines | Good call. That makes even more sense. | 21:52 |
| kevin4942941 | nbaines (sic): you don't understand my reference point. you are thinking i am saying his words were logically deficient absolutely, i never made such a claim, that is your interpretation of it. for clarification, it was supposed to be taken as "it doesn't make sense to me" which isn't a stain on kdub's character, but my own. but thank you for trying to make me feel like a bigger ass than i already am. | 21:54 |
| kevin4942941 | and as sarcasm oftentimes doesn't come across text, i am not really thankful. | 21:55 |
| nhaines | kevin4942941: I'm generally content if people feel like as much of an ass as they actually are. | 21:55 |
| kevin4942941 | now i'm going to do some tai chi, for some reason i'm feeling bad vibes dude | 21:56 |
| nhaines | Although I don't usually consider it my job to catalyze that. | 21:56 |
| nhaines | On a mostly unrelated note, I could really use some chai tea. | 21:56 |
| kevin4942941 | and yet you do it so well | 21:57 |
| kevin4942941 | you probably don't consider it your job, because you aren't getting paid for it | 21:57 |
| nhaines | kevin4942941: you'd probably find that you'd get less "bad vibes" by not reading malice into things said in IRC. | 21:58 |
| pleia2 | +1 | 21:58 |
| kevin4942941 | nhaines: you should take your own advice | 21:58 |
| nhaines | kevin4942941: I always do. | 21:59 |
| nhaines | kevin4942941: on the other hand, I do get annoyed when people assume the worst and then attack me for it. I usually don't have a lot of time for that. | 21:59 |
| kevin4942941 | nhaines: so you say | 21:59 |
| nhaines | kevin4942941: I was surprised at what you said and asked you to clarify, and you said I made you feel like a bigger ass than you usually do. | 22:00 |
| kevin4942941 | there was no attack on my part, just defense | 22:00 |
| pleia2 | kevin4942941: some tai chi sounds like a good idea :) | 22:00 |
| akk | kevin4942941: "stroke your own ego" wasn't an attack? | 22:01 |
| akk | Came across as one. | 22:01 |
| kevin4942941 | i suppose i should just let him say what he wants | 22:01 |
| nhaines | kevin4942941: I actually was just hoping for some kind of clarification. I'm sorry if it came across as an attack. | 22:01 |
| kevin4942941 | i consider kdub a friend nhaines, so you saying i am criticizing his logic i didn't take too kindly to | 22:02 |
| kevin4942941 | especially since it was false | 22:02 |
| nhaines | kevin4942941: it was a question, not an assertion. | 22:02 |
| akk | From a third party view, it looked like there was some attacking/insulting on both sides. | 22:03 |
| * nhaines doesn't let his friends get away with bad logic. | 22:03 | |
| kdub | its all good everyone :) | 22:03 |
| * iheartubuntu whips out his violin. dont shoot me since ive never played one. | 22:03 | |
| akk | Maybe we should all make up and try to clear up the tech misunderstanding. :) | 22:03 |
| erichammond | I'd like to welcome everybody to the Ubuntu community :) http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct | 22:03 |
| * kevin4942941 tries to treat his friends with kindness | 22:03 | |
| nhaines | iheartubuntu: the round part goes under your chin. :) | 22:03 |
| iheartubuntu | ohh thats how you do it. i had it on my foot like a hillbilly | 22:04 |
| kevin4942941 | i played violin, not well mind you | 22:04 |
| iheartubuntu | ardour is the next violin | 22:04 |
| * akk has a sony laptop named vaiolin, does that count? | 22:05 | |
| kevin4942941 | no kidding, iheartubuntu | 22:05 |
| iheartubuntu | truce everyone | 22:05 |
| iheartubuntu | its 5pm someplace | 22:05 |
| iheartubuntu | (isnt that a song?) | 22:05 |
| * kevin4942941 has no clue | 22:06 | |
| kevin4942941 | do you want the truth or the marketing propaganda? | 22:06 |
| kevin4942941 | :D | 22:06 |
| kevin4942941 | truth is, i frequently have no clue. the upsell is, i make *millions* of Julian fries! | 22:07 |
| kdub | back to wayland though :) (hopefully not digging anything back up) | 22:16 |
| kevin4942941 | i couldn't really find anything on DRI | 22:17 |
| kevin4942941 | oh yeah, would you buy an nvidia card? or recommend an nvidia card to a friend for wayland? | 22:17 |
| kevin4942941 | my initial reaction is no, i mean, just based on them not "supporting" it officially, according to wikipedia | 22:18 |
| * akk wonders what kind of graphics chips the wayland developers use | 22:18 | |
| kdub | X needs a lot of X-specific mechanisms to let applications run in an X environment with openGL | 22:18 |
| akk | (developers plural? I think I read somewhere that it's just one person) | 22:18 |
| kdub | its largely krh | 22:18 |
| kdub | but intel is the recommended atm | 22:19 |
| akk | Does it matter which intel? or will all of them work pretty comparably? (subject to limitations in capabilities, of course) | 22:19 |
| kevin4942941 | i'm wondering if i could find an apprenticeship somewhere. it would be cool to be able to shadow one of these guys. | 22:19 |
| kevin4942941 | assuming they didn't find me annoying | 22:19 |
| kdub | akk: i've been trying to get it running with my GMA965, should be able to work | 22:20 |
| kevin4942941 | it's a nice day out in so cal | 22:20 |
| kdub | youtube keeps getting in the way though | 22:20 |
| akk | kdub: Great -- my laptop's something near that, so hopefully it will work too. | 22:20 |
| akk | youtube because of getting the adobe flash plugin to run? | 22:21 |
| kdub | no, just watching videos and not doing work when I'm home :) | 22:21 |
| kevin4942941 | i have gm965/gl960 | 22:21 |
| akk | oh, haha | 22:22 |
| kevin4942941 | i wonder what you're watching on youtube that is so interesting | 22:22 |
| kevin4942941 | i can't even watch the daily show anymore :( | 22:22 |
| kevin4942941 | i'm tired of their grey goose commercials | 22:22 |
| kdub | the cool thing about wayland though is that every application has really powerful and flexible access to what it renders | 22:22 |
| kevin4942941 | that's an issue of content, not youtubeness | 22:22 |
| kevin4942941 | oh yeah, i watched some noam chomsky stuff that was interesting on youtube | 22:23 |
| akk | I'll miss xlib a little (I have quite a few xlib programs) but I'll cope, and rewrite, assuming it offers a simple drawing API. | 22:23 |
| akk | I do fear the window manager situation, though, haven't seen anything written about that. | 22:24 |
| kevin4942941 | i'm wondering if wayland uses code from X, or if it's a complete rewrite | 22:24 |
| kdub | its not a rewrite of X at all | 22:25 |
| kdub | which, is whats so cool | 22:25 |
| kevin4942941 | so it stands alone | 22:25 |
| kdub | right, and ubuntu version #1 will mostly still be X driven while everybody catches up | 22:26 |
| kdub | sorry | 22:26 |
| kevin4942941 | or it's a standalone | 22:26 |
| kevin4942941 | that's just crazy to me | 22:27 |
| kdub | well, with the plans ive seen for ubuntu, the first version will run wayland on the baremetal and still run an xserver as a wayland client | 22:27 |
| akk | Wow, implementing X inside wayland? | 22:27 |
| nhaines | As long as the integration is good, that should be an excellent way to transition. | 22:27 |
| akk | I guess that's a good migration scheme, but it sounds like a lot of extra work. | 22:28 |
| nhaines | akk: they said it like it wasn't a lot of extra work. :) | 22:28 |
| kevin4942941 | have you looked at the source kdub? | 22:29 |
| kdub | its not that much, at the end of the day, X needs is a buffer to render to and wayland provides that | 22:29 |
| akk | I'd guess this is just the basic X protocol, and not all the elaborate details about modeswitching and GL windows and things. | 22:29 |
| kevin4942941 | gotta' go pick up the nephews | 22:29 |
| akk | (I hope ... sure would be great to see all that stuff go away!) | 22:29 |
| kdub | thats the plan | 22:29 |
| nhaines | Unity with a maximized GNOME Terminal and byobu is my new definition of happiness. | 22:30 |
| nhaines | If they get the new Ayatana-style scrollbars into natty that'd be even better. Not in terms of UI freeze better, though. :P | 22:31 |
| pleia2 | I haven't even looked at byobu, screen is so simple and "works fine" :) | 22:31 |
| * crashsystems is loving 11.04 | 22:32 | |
| akk | Only thing I don't like about screen is that it sometimes decides its size is 80x24 | 22:35 |
| akk | and then no act of god besides restarting will get it out of that mode | 22:35 |
| akk | (I use it to talk to plug computers over a serial line, and their busybox vi causes this, so once you've edited anything, you're forever stuck at 24 lines) | 22:36 |
| nhaines | pleia2: byobu makes screen a lot more useful when you're on a remote terminal. Tells you the host and a lot of system stats. :) | 22:42 |
| pleia2 | ah, interesting | 22:48 |
| nhaines | pleia2: http://ubuntuone.com/p/k4g/ | 22:55 |
| kevin4942941 | i wanted to apologize to the channel, that whole conflict could have been avoided had i chosen my words more carefully from the beginning. | 23:02 |
| kevin4942941 | i'll be more careful | 23:02 |
| pleia2 | thank you kevin4942941 | 23:05 |
| iheartubuntu | ... yah and that when i split my pants and had to walk around Tijuana with my underwear showing the whole day! hahaaa! | 23:24 |
| iheartubuntu | ohhh | 23:24 |
| iheartubuntu | whoops | 23:24 |
| iheartubuntu | wrong chat box | 23:24 |
| * iheartubuntu EMBARRASSED | 23:25 | |
| pleia2 | hahahaha | 23:25 |
| pleia2 | iheartubuntu++ | 23:25 |
| * iheartubuntu has turned a dark shade of Ubuntu Eggplant | 23:25 | |
| iheartubuntu | wow. beer time. | 23:26 |
| pleia2 | isn't that the kind of thing that's supposed to happen in Tijuana? | 23:26 |
| iheartubuntu | not by accident :) | 23:26 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 23:26 |
| iheartubuntu | it was an old pair of pants | 23:26 |
| iheartubuntu | i didnt notice my pants were COMPLETELY split down the center until i looked down while sitting at a bullfight. | 23:27 |
| pleia2 | nice one | 23:27 |
| iheartubuntu | i topped wearing butt huggers from that day forward | 23:27 |
| iheartubuntu | stopped | 23:27 |
| iheartubuntu | never forget that one | 23:27 |
| iheartubuntu | no photos thankfully | 23:28 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 23:28 |
| nhaines | iheartubuntu: at a bullfight? Just be glad you weren't wearing red boxers! | 23:36 |
| pleia2 | lol | 23:37 |
| nhaines | I'm trying to think whether or not the new Ubuntu logo for the Unity launcher makes me think differently about the button. | 23:38 |
| nhaines | Or feel differently, rather. | 23:40 |
| nhaines | I guess it looks more button-like because of the proxmity to the window controls. | 23:40 |
| iheartubuntu | i tried running 11.04 from a live disc last night and it had all sorts of errors when it booted up. not fun. shut it down and went to bed. | 23:47 |
| iheartubuntu | nhaines - no but my face was red | 23:49 |
| iheartubuntu | it was not a good day for a very shy 14 yo boy :) | 23:50 |
| iheartubuntu | sure was breezy and i couldnt figure out why | 23:50 |
| akk | They probably all thought you were demonstrating a new cutting-edge fashion | 23:51 |
| akk | like Madonna | 23:51 |
| iheartubuntu | "like a virgin" would have been a fitting song | 23:56 |
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