[00:20] http://gnome3.org/ is coming down the pipes soon [00:34] And so it has. [00:52] gnome3 looks nice. i wonder how it will work in real life though. [00:55] i'm gonna try it out today [00:56] I would try it if there were any way to run it from a Live CD. [02:06] * iheartubuntu still does not understand why university blocks IRC [02:48] random.randrange(1,100000000000,1) :P [03:06] HOLY COW.... someone else is using Ubuntu here at the university! Their name popped up in Empathy as "users nearby" [03:07] hehe [03:10] no!!! the girl is using a mac [03:10] dang [03:10] if they can see me then my name is iheartubuntu ") [03:13] thats too bad. would have been fun to connect with someone else using ubuntu. [03:16] What does "users nearby" show? Maybe just people using any chat protocol? [03:17] this i dont know [03:17] well, at work it does not show say, my wife using icq, or my sis using yahoo [03:18] but in empathy there is a "people nearby" that picks up anyone on the local network i guess [03:18] Of course I also wonder what "nearby" means in the internet age ... same subnet? [03:18] i guess they have to have their chat client running too [03:19] so maybe ichat in a mac works similar to empathy [03:19] has anyone played Penumbra on ubuntu? i got it with the humble indie bundle, but never been able to run it (resolution probs) [03:20] "henry" is also a mac user... although it wont let me communicate with him [03:20] so two people now... both mac users [03:33] oh hey, iheartubuntu i lost that link to the comic creating program. do you still have it. [03:33] i drew a maverick meerkat from that sticker i got at SCaLE for my niece today [03:33] uno momento [03:33] it turned out not so bad [03:33] what [03:34] the drawing [03:34] A GSOC student applied today to GIMP to fix the comic-book filter. That would be a fun project, if it gets approved. [03:35] i'm not sure what a comic book filter is [03:35] Turn a photo into something that looks like a comic. [03:35] Except it doesn't -- it works very poorly, right now. [03:36] ah, i see [03:36] speaking of comics, i was at UCLA the other day and they had Marvel vs. Capcom there, and i was wondering why they didn't make cartoons with the art they used in that game [03:43] akk , there is a plugin in gimp or is it already in gimp? [03:44] already there [03:45] * iheartubuntu waiting desperately to get home so i can brew some espresso [03:46] any clue why a university would block irc?? [03:46] they arent blocking some chat clients like yahoo messenger, icq, gmail chat, etc. i wonder why they block irc [03:46] a lot of them do, there are lots of irc channels for doing questionable things like sharing illegal files, etc [03:47] freenode is exceptional in its usefulness :) [03:48] people used to host filesharing bots, and run their own (xdcc was the most popular) [03:49] they took up loooots of bandwidth over dcc, so schools shut of all access [03:49] ohh i see. DANG [03:50] doing irc via webchat isnt very fun or easy [04:26] Italy gave you the boot! [04:27] was it Sarcozzi? [04:27] i think that's his name [04:28] "The Heel of Italy" [04:29] wrong country [04:29] Berlusconi [04:29] i and i [04:29] coincidence? [04:31] dang, 30 minute warning at library here [04:32] so i hung out friday night with 6 women... my wife and five IRS auditors. Let me tell you stories :) [04:32] i should go to good will when i'm in LA, see if they have any long ethernet cables. they sell them for like $1 [04:32] no vga cables though [04:34] i'm melting! i'm melting! [07:34] * iheartubuntu is installing gnome3 in VB [07:38] ohhh wow, its pretty nice! [07:38] i feel like im on a star trek computer [07:46] burning to disc. will try it out as a live cd. doesnt render well in virtualbox [16:14] ghost kdub [16:14] whoops, at least i didnt put the pw out :) === kdub_ is now known as kdub [16:28] :) [18:08] DarkwingDuck: we're thinknig the next ubuntu hour SD will be 4/19, if you can make ti [18:09] i'm gonna print up my flier, put it up around UCSD/USD and see who we can get to come out [18:11] that reminds me, i need to whip up a flyer to put around Cal State LA and maybe around CalTech about Ubuntu Hour [18:15] kdub: awesome. [18:15] kdub: advertise it as a Ubuntu Hour and Install party [18:17] one hour seems like not enough :) [18:18] * iheartubuntu considers starting an Ubuntu Marathon :) j/k [18:18] Please do not do install parties running for less than 5 hours. [18:19] yeah, it's easy to think you can get an install done in an hour but it never works out like that [18:19] I tried to run a daily build of Natty LiveCD last night and it would get going [18:19] you end up getting kicked out of your venue with a half installed machine left in a horrible state [18:19] kicked out == they close, etc [18:20] we had 5 hours planned for our last installfest and we were there for 6 debugging a RAM issue [18:20] I don't know if I want to be there for 5 hours :) [18:21] people tend to come to installfests because they tried and had problems, so they want help and it takes a while to debug [18:21] GNOME3 is very interesting. It seems very basic, yet powerful. [18:21] i tried it out too, i like gnome3 [18:21] * kdub has always been a graphics type person [18:22] I have my dads old desktop here with a "low memory" problem. [18:22] im thinking to redo the bios maybe to fix the prob [18:22] its an ubunut system that takes like 10 reboots to ever boot into ubuntu [18:23] i never had a prob on that computer until recently upgrading from 10.04 to 10.10 [18:23] maybe there is a grub setting that got changed [18:25] DarkwingDuck: i think i'm gonna distribute the fliers and location for april at SDSU, as its a strong engineering school... [18:26] Aye, where are we going to hold it? [18:28] i'm thinking at the starbucks at La Jolla Shopping Center, its walking distance from the campus [18:29] I haven't seen that particular location yet though, will swing by it on the way back from work today to check it out [18:31] Okay [18:33] if its a good location, i'll make the announcement, print the fliers, etc today [18:33] fwiw I offer to give tips about issues with ubuntu at every ubuntu hour, you don't need to call it an installfest to give 15 minutes of help :) [18:33] so people bring laptops and things with weird problems and we can try to debug [18:34] also, why is it only tuesday? :( [18:57] Okay kdub. [18:59] i've also been keeping my antennae up for the other hackers groups around here [18:59] found 12-15 who meet once a month out by the 15/52 [18:59] in addition to kplug [19:00] I think there are a couple of hackerspaces here in SD [19:01] there's one i know of, relatively new (november). still havent made it out there, but i think they have a warehouse. clairemont area if i remember [19:05] kdub: there are two listed here... http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/List_of_People [19:08] nucleon has a physical space though, the other group is more of a coffeehouse coders group [19:08] * kdub always associates hackerspaces with physical hardware hacks === Guest460372 is now known as seidos === seidos is now known as kevin50047419529 [19:18] how about... kevin8675309 [19:19] i'm using random.randrange(1,100000000000,1) to generate the number [19:19] in python [19:19] hey do you have experience with ecommerce iheartubuntu? [19:20] kevin50047419529, We share a lot of channels. [19:20] what sort of ecommerce? [19:22] jledbetter: 3 [19:22] If you'd drop about 4 zeroes from that, it would disturb the xchat separator line a lot less. [19:22] Seems like more. [19:23] * kevin50047419529 laughs [19:23] big numbers are fun though :( [19:23] * akk wants an xchat setting to say "automatically adjust the separator line but not for any nick longer than 12 chars" [19:23] +1 akk [19:24] iheartubuntu: like, you click a link it says "give me 5 cents for that" [19:24] i'll get on that akk [19:24] quite an interesting link for me... my music biz back in '95 used the thawte security protection (thawte was founded by shuttleworth). i used it because my GF at the time had connections to shuttleworth. small world! she bought me the domains and the thawte service (which i couldnt afford!) [19:24] jledbetter: it is transparent that you don't really like me [19:24] to be blunt [19:24] you must think i'm an ignoramus, i can assure you i am trying [19:25] kevin50047419529, Untrue. You are sometimes very random and confusing. [19:25] back then in 95 my whole shopping cart system was set up for me. nowadays i use websites like payloadz or e-junkie for shopping carts === kevin50047419529 is now known as kevin4942941 [19:25] jledbetter: untrue, it all makes perfect sense to me [19:25] kevin4942941, Perhaps I am alone in feeling that it is disruptive at times. [19:25] iheartubuntu: what about paypal? [19:26] jledbetter: i doubt you are [19:26] no, she's not [19:26] maybe i'll get voted off the island [19:26] paypal works fine if you have an item to send. they dont handle digital downloads... say of a a ZIP file, a PDF book, a DEB file for sale, etc [19:27] well, my cat loves me :| [19:27] ah, interesting iheartubuntu, thanks [19:27] so does my neighbor's dog [19:27] payloadz or e-junkie i'll keep that in mind [19:28] kevin4942941: disruptive and random doesn't mean "don't like you" [19:28] there is no island kevin8675309 [19:28] right, +1 pleia2 [19:28] and jledbetter [19:28] we are all on the same boat :) [19:29] +1 pleia2 [19:29] * kevin4942941 blinks [19:30] * kdub buys boatload of sparkfun [19:30] kdub++ [19:31] allspark [19:31] connections [19:31] aren't random [19:31] they are quite frequently "weird"... [19:31] like my connection to anna chapman for example [19:32] j/k [19:32] :) [19:33] i'll be visited by the cia tomorrow [19:33] any relation to the IRS? [19:33] yes [19:34] Internets Running Slow [19:34] no, brain is [19:34] for a 2nd i'm thinking "does he really know anna chapman" [19:34] what a maroon [19:34] haha [19:35] * iheartubuntu laughs hysterically under his breath while kevin isnt looking [19:35] actually... [19:35] does anna chapman work for the iRS? [19:35] actually my wife has to field all the anna chapman questions ever since that happened. [19:35] who is anna chapman dating, anyway? [19:35] not that i follow celebrity gossip [19:36] I think she works for FSB actually, the russian cia now [19:36] i wonder who her male counterpart is [19:36] what? that's weird [19:36] so like Putin is her boyfriend? [19:36] i tihnk she worked for them all along, its just out in the open now [19:38] i wonder how russia is going to transition to ubuntu coming soon.. what is it 2012? or 2014? [19:38] thats a big task [19:38] most russians in russia i know have never even seen ubuntu [19:39] it's easy to learn imho [19:40] but it does have some limitations [19:40] even the SysAdmins there dont use ubuntu. everything is WinXP stuff [19:40] and everything is pi-rat-ed there [19:40] i mean everything [19:40] "everything"? that sounds crazy [19:40] i bought the entire Beatles collection for $1 [19:40] * iheartubuntu thinks it was legal there tho [19:40] i've used russian websites to buy music [19:41] i thought it was legal [19:41] and yeah, it was that inexpensive [19:41] so for russia to switch to ubuntu is going to be HUGE [19:41] and i think it will help the country too [19:42] i think they're just switching to linux b/c they don't trust american microsoft [19:42] * kdub doesn't either :) [19:42] russia is changing and the old mindset of copying things will dissappear eventually if OS and software is free [19:42] tons of great programmers there too [19:42] more competition [19:42] at the highest levels of the descision though, i'm sure there was concern about MS/CIA backdoors [19:42] i just read a tweet from _capitalism_ about how there are 800 chinese that can do my job for me [19:43] tons of russian games for WinXP ive seen there that ive never seen here... so once russia switches to open source i bet we'll have an influx of new free software and games. games! [19:43] i'm not sure why every country doesn't have their own linux o.s. [19:43] iheartubuntu: thats true, should be good! [19:43] well, every industrialized country [19:44] arent the facebook and google founders russian? [19:44] dont know if they were born there tho. [19:44] but everyone i met there is like 10x smarter than myself. [19:44] not uhhhhh saying im not smart or anything :) [19:44] Zuckerberg is russian? [19:45] i dont know [19:45] Serge Brin and Larry Page? [19:45] Serge Brin may be a russian name [19:45] sergei is russian born [19:45] dang, and he went to Stanford [19:45] larry was michigan born like me :D [19:45] and U-Michigan [19:46] all right kdub, you went to U-Michigan like Larry Page, you can be captain for a day [19:46] so i think that will be pretty good once russia makes the move. [19:46] o captain my captain [19:46] sweet, captain of the boat! [19:47] i'll need a cutlass captain, there may be a mutiny [19:47] might i propose a first mate, me. [19:47] im trying to get my 20 yo inlaw to switch to ubuntu. he is stuck on winxp and he wont move because he is a gamer. and no incentive for him to switch with games costing a buck [19:47] captain, heavy is the head that wears the crown...or...captain hat as it were [19:48] yeah i looked up u michigan stats, their graduation rates were on par with UCLA and Cal Tech [19:48] i should've took my education more seriously in high school, but i really didn't like high school much. [19:48] i didn't start enjoying college really until recently [19:49] yeah, you can't really be lazy and use ubuntu [19:49] Gaming is probably one use case where Linux isn't quite ready yet. [19:49] it's too bad, since it's the recruitment tool [19:49] Telling people to stop playing the games they like and play different games isn't a convincing argument. [19:50] i was thinking of pressed cd's had a graphic of a meerkat, lynx, narwhal, etc. it might be possible to get more young people interested [19:50] or even to play their games in wine [19:50] i mean, i know there is a performance hit [19:50] it may not matter on some systems though [19:50] just use more power [19:50] akk: linux is as ready as any other system for games, in terms of capability [19:51] investment from publishers, not so much [19:51] kdub: I'm not a 3D programmer, but what I hear is that the 3D APIs are awful and it's hard to make them work reliably. [19:51] you probably heard that from the direct 3d crowd, who is stubborn about using anything opengl [19:51] kdub: Someone from Mozilla, I think it was, had an article recently about how web 3d didn't work right on linux except on certain nvidia cards. [19:52] * kdub writes graphics cards for a living :( [19:52] o captain my captain [19:52] X is something of a mess, wayland is pretty cool [19:52] i wonder what 3d api WoW uses [19:53] i doubt direct 3d since there is a mac version [19:53] darn, I can't find the article. It was just a week or two ago. [19:53] i wonder why the mac version wouldn't work on linux... [19:53] it would have to be compiled :| [19:53] i think... [19:54] there's all sorts of architectural things that might have to change between mac & linux that would make it tough [19:54] http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/216874/firefox_4_beta_9_gives_short_shrift_to_linux_users.html [19:54] "We tried enabling OpenGL on Linux, and discovered that most Linux drivers are so disastrously buggy (think ‘crash the X server at the drop of a hat, and paint incorrectly the rest of the time' buggy) that we had to disable it for now," [19:54] ah, right the Mac doesn't use the linux kernel [19:54] and that was from Boris Zbarsky, who has been a huge and untiring linux advocate at mozilla for about a decade [19:55] what was i thinking [19:55] * kevin4942941 walks the plank [19:55] When Boris says something like that, I pay attention. [19:56] i don't think thats a fair article [19:57] the funny thing is, i tend to think in terms of 2d games lately. i mean warcraft 2 is 2d, it is still a fun game to play for me [19:57] starcraft also [19:57] kdub: What's wrong with it? [19:58] i guess my anecdotal experience conflicts with his, so i don't like it [19:58] I know I've had huge problems getting google earth to work under Linux, but that could just mean that google hasn't bothered to make it work. [19:59] the big headache is how drivers are split up [19:59] What graphics cards do you use/develop for, kdub? [19:59] I know I've had trouble with several older ATIs and several Intel graphics chips (the newest Intels seem better). [20:00] i wonder if it's because there are so many video cards and not enough developers writing open source drivers for them [20:01] i mean, i know drivers are often used for hardware that haven't been specifically written for it [20:01] like my intel g960/965, it uses the i915 driver, which may not be optimal [20:01] akk: mobile ones, not the usual suspects [20:02] i guess it could have some kind of "unified driver architecture" and i wonder if that implies that the drivers for all architectures are included in a single "package" [20:05] kdub: who makes mobile graphics chips? [20:06] hmm, i thought the ati cards were working well with open source drivers [20:09] looks like toshiba, nvidia...perhaps ati [20:09] arm === rbarot__ is now known as rbarot_ [20:22] does anyone know where the MBR is stored? on the hard drive or ram or ?? [20:23] It's the first part of the disk. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record [20:39] so formatting should wipe it [20:40] im getting some low memory errors and i think its from some info on the mbr, i was just going to format the HD and reinstall ubuntu [20:42] Installing will overwrite the mbr if you tell the installer to install grub2 to the mbr. [20:42] Partitioning in the installer won't. [20:43] i cant even get into this drive right now using an ubuntu disc. im using parted magic on ultimate rescue disc... after backing up the data i was going to format the hard drive from parted magic and then reboot and try to install ubuntu with a fresh drive [20:44] for some reason im unable to boot a ubuntu livecd [20:44] but can use the rescue disc [21:00] that is kind of strange [21:00] i've never used a rescue disc [21:00] well, i used a rescue disc awhile back to change a windows passwd i forgot [21:01] that was back when i was using windows though [21:03] iheartubuntu: formatting does not touch the MBR at all. [21:03] how do i touch the mrb then [21:03] i wonder why the ubuntu disc hangs, but a rescue disc (linux) boots into it fine [21:03] im going to try a 10.04 disc instead of 10.10 [21:03] iheartubuntu: use a partitioning tool like Disk Utility (palimpset) or GNOME Partition Editor. [21:04] iheartubuntu: different kernel versions? [21:04] The MBR has absolutely nothing to do with memory. Is there a specific reason you suspect the MBR? [21:04] i thought you were using gparted iheartubuntu [21:07] iheartubuntu: to me that literally sounds like someone saying "I'm getting bad reception on my TV. I think it's from some info in the TV Guide listings." [21:07] Except maybe it's bad radio reception because of the TV Guide listings. That sounds like a better analogy. [21:08] * akk agrees with nhaines [21:09] i was getting a low memory error [21:09] And why do you think that points to an mbr problem? [21:09] to me, i think the analogy is uncalled for. [21:09] iheartubuntu: sounds like you don't have enough memory then. How much RAM is in the system? [21:09] someplace on the internets i read about changing something in the boot record [21:09] 1GB maxed out [21:09] It might be a bad RAM chip -- when I see memory errors I usually try running memtest first. [21:10] this computer ran fine with 10.04 [21:10] The MBR just defines the way the disk is partitioned. [21:10] after upgrade to 10.10 i was getting low mem error [21:10] "memory corruption detected in low memory" [21:11] That's not an out-of-memory error, that's a memory corruption error. [21:11] Run memtest to see if it can narrow it down to a specific DIMM, then toss that DIMM and replace the memory in the computer. [21:11] but strangely i didnt have the error before the upgrade [21:11] Where does the MBR come in? [21:11] hopefully it's not a bug in 10.10 the caused the memory problem [21:11] nhaines... i have no idea [21:12] iheartubuntu: coincidence is not causation. :) [21:12] something i read [21:12] iheartubuntu: I'd love a link to that page or article. [21:13] i'm just paranoid after my battery, and i heard there's a bug that is borking ssds in #ubuntu-beginners and #ubuntu-nz [21:15] cannot find a page. i had so many open last night. there was a bug or two filed about this, but i dont think it was version specific [21:16] is it a system76 system iheartubuntu? [21:16] no, an old sony viao [21:16] i am wondering because i am thinking hardware that doesn't have linux in mind should be avoided like the plague if at all possible [21:16] i had a vaio at an old job. nice little 14" notebook [21:17] my dad just bought a brand new slimline gateway for $500 on the weekend. it is AWESOME with ubuntu [21:17] I've had several nice vaios. [21:17] this viao is pretty old :) like 2002 [21:17] Only buying from linux-friendly companies is great in principle, but they're all so small that you don't get much selection. [21:17] a P4 2.40ghtz [21:17] If they don't have what you're looking for, you have to look elsewhere. [21:17] gateway is weird, i don't know why i've heard such good things about them [21:18] after i stopped building my own computers ive bought only gateway. never a prob. [21:18] i wonder, why they would any better, perhaps kernel hackers buy gateways [21:18] all my gateways with ubuntu work great [21:18] 2 old laptops and 2 newer desktops [21:18] when i bought my toshiba i assumed linux worked awesome on everything [21:18] No hardware is really made with Linux in mind. As long as it's standards compliant it should be fine. [21:19] i would have spent a little more for hardware that is more compatible [21:19] Zeareason is made with linux in mind ... at least for some models, Cathy went to Taiwan and had machines explicitly speced. [21:19] (specced? specked?) [21:19] i wonder why you believe this nhaines [21:19] specced i guess [21:20] kevin4942941: because it's true. [21:20] weird [21:20] specification doesn't have a k [21:20] It doesn't have two cs either, though. :) [21:20] akk just pointed out an example where it is not [21:20] akk: I think it's more likely she went and had hardware built with specific chipsets in mind. [21:20] i know, i was going to say speced, or perhaps spec'ed [21:20] kevin4942941: I don't think she did. [21:20] no apostrophes for plurals, ick [21:21] nhaines: What's the difference between specing a chipset and specing other hardware in the machine? [21:21] yeah, that's why i went with specced [21:21] Seems like what matters is that the machine is designed (parts chosen) with linux compatibility in mind. [21:21] akk: nothing, really, and that's why I don't think there's a significant difference. [21:22] iow, it isn't true that some hardware isn't built with linux in mind [21:22] akk: the value add is that Kathy did the work for you. Which is way awesome and totally worth it. :) [21:22] i wouldn't be surprised if hardware specs aren't collaborated with software developers in the linux community [21:23] sony could simply be working closer with microsoft than with linux developers, i suspect that's what happened with my toshiba [21:23] and considering the latest windows ads... [21:24] i'm lucky it works as good as it does [21:24] Sony is pretty evil. I love my Vaios but I don't like the company much. [21:24] They're even more MS-centric than most companies, and also make repair and parts difficult. [21:24] The only hardware I know that was built with Linux in mind was the HDTV 5000 card I bought. [21:24] so for some STRANGE reason, 10.04 finally booted into the live disc after sitting for 20 minutes [21:25] im attempting to install it now. but i wonder if there is an underlying memory problem [21:25] nhaines: "built" meaning chips designed from the silicon level, not just assembling components into a consumer product? [21:25] i would do a memtest from the livecd [21:25] i did a mem test sunday for about 45 minutes and had no errors [21:25] akk: in this case, more like "we specced it out and wrote Free Linux drivers, but couldn't be bothered to write Windows ones." [21:25] the corrupt memory error would freak me out enough to run one iheartubuntu [21:25] i was also getting the same error with 500mb ram installed (two different chips) [21:26] but you're probably more of a risk taker than i am [21:26] Ah, built meaning the company that built the silicon also wrote drivers. Gotcha. [21:26] Intel writes drivers for some of their hardware (though sadly, the linux drivers are usually inferior to the windows ones). [21:27] as more tech is outsource to india and china, perhaps that will change [21:27] I've been buying machines with Intel hardware lately for that reason, hoping they'll run linux better (and they do, but not entirely without glitches). [21:27] i would think AMD would run better [21:27] Here's another example. None of Western Digital's hard drives are supported by the company in Linux. [21:28] i mean, they right drivers for the ati cards [21:28] But they're ATA-compliant and run beautifully. [21:28] It would be great if all hardware followed specs as well as hard drives. [21:28] Can you imagine, a generic video card driver where you could take any video card and everything would just work? [21:28] well, that's probably not really "support". that probably just means people can't call you guys for software support [21:28] so doing some more google searches on my low mem error... sounds like i could have edited the boot options to increase memory error setting [21:28] This is where, for the permanent Google record, I state that I work for Western Digital, however the opinions expressed on this topic are my own and do not reflect the opinions of Western Digital. [21:29] Or a wi-fi card standard that every wi-fi chipset followed? [21:29] i'll do that if i still have install probs [21:29] akk: that's called VESA. ;) [21:29] akk: thats somewhat of a gross oversimplification of graphics stacks [21:29] i wonder about the fujitsu drive that used to be in this system [21:29] it was a little flaky [21:29] kevin4942941: we'll help make sure your drive is physically installed and jumpered correctly and that's it. [21:29] nhaines: uh, yeah :) [21:30] iheartubuntu: it's a corrupt memory error, now low memory...though i guess i can see your point. "this segment of memory is corrupt, therefore you have less memory now" [21:30] perhaps that's what youre thinking [21:30] dang...i can't type [21:31] iheartubuntu: "low memory" means the first 640K built into the motherboard. [21:31] the fingers have a mind of their own [21:31] iheartubuntu told us the error message, "memory corruption detected in low memory" [21:31] The "low" doesn't mean "out of memory", it means "low memory addresses" [21:32] ok i found this at the bottom of the bug... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/324894/ [21:32] i didn't read that. i just thought it was "memory corruption detected" [21:32] empathy doesn't have logs :( [21:32] empathy has logs [21:32] let me search for them [21:32] under view [21:33] prievious conversations [21:33] it even has search [21:33] so if you said "dick tracy" 17 days ago it will find it [21:33] dang i was hoping i could use grep :| [21:34] cool, thanks iheartubuntu i was looking for a log file in ~/ [21:36] it is kind of nice to have more expressive emoticons too [21:43] i am getting more into just using what ubuntu offers. empathy instead of pidgin. ubuntuone instead of dropbox, etc [21:43] hmmm, so wayland isn't going to be supported by nvidia, that narrows hardware down [21:43] empathy matches gwibber too IMO and they all work well with the indicator too [21:43]