[02:14] lol [02:14] http://static.onemansblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/Daisy_Chain_Forklifts.jpg [02:41] wow this signed online [02:41] what a crappy hotel [02:41] signed online? [02:42] i couldn't get IRC to connect [03:22] rick_h_: for scheduling/queueing of tasks in a web environment, celery and rabbitmq is what you use/recommend? [08:52] greg-g: I think that works well for us. Honestly, there's a ton of ways to do it and it depends on the project/etc. [08:52] but yea, rabbitmq is good for queueing, and if you need scheduling, celery works great for talking to it, handling that part [09:04] snap-l: have I told you how much I <3 amazon lately? lol cloud drive music bitches! Awesome [09:07] yay, and the ifanbois get to suck it for now! http://techcrunch.com/2011/03/28/amazon-cloud-player-ios/ [12:43] uploading to my cloud drive, woooo [12:43] damn sucky work internet, sad that my uverse is faster at home [12:46] welcome to the cloud. enjoy your new wings [12:46] how's the bookie logo going? [12:47] brousch: I found something I liked, but waiting to hear back from the designer about cost/tweaks [12:47] can't use it for a 'logo' use according to license currently [12:48] ah, right [12:48] guy's in finland or something so figure it might take a few days, who knows. [12:49] i played with a nook color running cyanogen. very nice [12:49] good size, fast [12:50] cool [12:50] was worried about performance since it's a bit underpowered [12:51] he had it overclocked to 1GHz i think [12:52] ah, gotcha [12:52] so faster than my droid [12:54] man, bummer I don't think I can link out of my amazon cloud drive [12:55] so not going to replace dropbox :( [12:56] i <3 drpbox [12:57] yea, but this is $20/yr for 20gb [12:57] hm, good price [12:57] I'd almost give up the sync part to just use it as a web storage [12:58] pycon caused craig and I to have to upgrade our dropbox to swap the files around [12:58] which sucked, since I had thuoght I could just upgrade since it's my shared directory [12:58] i think it counts towards everyone using that folder [12:58] yea, it sucks [12:58] you could have just uploaded to a web share and had him download it [12:59] one of the best things about my $15/mo dreamhost is the unlimited disk space [13:00] yea, we thought about that, but dropbox does well with overnight uploads, he needs to send back .mp3, etc [13:00] used my tethered phone some and it dropped in/out in the basement of the convention center [13:01] ah [13:01] I mean I don't mind dropbox/giving them money, but when I saw $20/yr I was like oooh [13:01] right [13:02] if dropbox had a 200GB plan i would be using it for all of my backup needs [13:02] i went over 100GB so i had to switch to carbonite and reduce my dropbox [13:03] yea, I have the local backuppc running for backups [13:03] it's more for files I want to get on my phone, sync with craig [13:05] you could make a script to share things out of the cloud storage. pick a file and it copies it out of the cloud to S3 and returns the link to you [13:05] yea, I've started some of that. [13:05] i knew it was too obvious ;) [13:05] I've got a s3cp.py that copies the lococast files and such up to medial.lococast.net and uploads.mitechie.com for me [13:06] http://media.lococast.net/index.html [13:06] all our podcasts are served out of s3 [13:10] http://paste.mitechie.com/show/267/ need to work on it some more still [13:13] geez [13:13] you go all out on these things [13:13] funny, I see stuff like this now and I think 'competition!' http://www.readwriteweb.com/hack/2011/03/gitmarks-a-bookmark-sharing-system-built-on-git.php [13:13] brousch: ?? [13:14] with zsh history completion I just search for public in my history and generally pulls up: s3cp.py --bucket=uploads.mitechie.com --public awesome3.png or some other sample [13:14] I got a start of the script from some blog post I think [13:14] and rewrote most of it up for my needs [13:14] i would have about 10 lines of code in a __main__. no logs, no classes, no comments [13:15] no error checking [13:15] well, it was a chance for me to play with argparse I thnk [13:15] heh, well what if an error happens :P [13:15] cursing and throwing things [13:15] lol [13:15] well, what it needs now is the return link support you mentioned [13:16] and some completion would be cool, need to figure out how to cache/setup your 'buckets' you work with [13:46] hm, nook color is only $250 [13:46] * brousch feels his wallet itching [13:48] <_stink_> hmorning [13:49] party [13:50] <_stink_> looks like it [13:51] rick_h_: Why am I getting told about Amazin this fine morning? [13:53] because I'm jamming at work to my amazon mp3s via web ui :) [13:53] snap-l: cause ur an amazin guy? [13:53] and listened to them over 3g on the way into work via my android app [13:53] rick_h_: Ah, so you're using bandwidth for your own personal music delivery service. [13:54] yes [13:54] most definitely, and to upload more of my own albums up to it [13:54] You realize that bandwidth is a precious commodity [13:54] For every song you've streamed, you've used up bandwidth that could have been used for other things [13:55] oh I know, the pron industry must be shuddering [13:55] Students in Rochester schools could have discovered a cure for some heinous disease if only wikipedia had loaded in time before their ADD kicked in [13:56] The company could have landed a major contract if only the secretary's e-mail had arrived in time, no thanks to your music streaming [13:56] You're killing the internet! [13:56] but that involves caring for others...psh who does that any more? [13:56] (also, what's your cap on the phone? :) ) [13:56] plus, don't you think you're giving the students a lot of credit? [13:56] heh, yea. I don't know I'll do it all the time on my phone [13:57] (but it's still cool, nonetheless) [13:57] but I can download as well [13:57] yea, big thing is I can sync stuff I buy on the phone with the laptop/web now [13:57] Oh, sort of like U1. ;) [13:57] and don't need to take up SSD space for it [13:57] yea, except it works :P [13:57] and has the music I want [13:57] I challenge you [13:58] Name me something that you want that isn't in U1 [13:58] (I know a few of the hairy edges, but I'm curious. :) ) [13:58] and has 5gb for free, 20gb free first year, and mobile is free vs $40 mobile package [13:59] some of my soundtrack stuff I like isn't on there, and there was something else, tool or something that was mising [13:59] The mobile package for U1 is not cool. [13:59] though that was when it first came out [13:59] I've never opened U1 except for that first album to try it out [13:59] have to say, if this comes in banshee, even less reason to do U1 ootb [14:00] Please to be buying Tool via MP3 from the Amazon store. ;) [14:01] wooo! lococast.net feedback spam [14:01] well know we know the email address has gotten out there at least [14:03] Heh, one nice thing about U1 / 7Digital is that it's in the UK [14:03] so while Amazon doesn't have the new Sylosis album available until 4/19, U1 does. ;) [14:03] Bah, pre-order [14:03] n/m, it's not available either [14:03] but they'll gladly take my money. [14:04] lol [14:04] yea, I don't think their locatin matters, the label deals are for the customer country [14:05] Well, it's Nuclear Blast, which is European [14:08] \o/ [14:08] Nuclear Blast had In Flames [14:08] \m/ [14:09] That's all I had to contribute. [14:09] ColonelPanic001: Thank you, citizen [14:09] * ColonelPanic001 salutes, turns 180 degrees, marches off [14:12] http://bryanquigley.com/mindshare/gaming [14:12] Why do I see this completely backfiring? [14:13] Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory was great, played it a long time, but come on. It's like, 10-15 years old [14:13] it's great, but not an attention-getter [14:13] "Dude, sweet, with Linux, I can play games that are almost as old as I am!" [14:14] With the BSD games package, you can play games that are older than you are. ;) [14:14] heh [14:27] cyanogen? is that 2.4 or something? [14:27] jrwren custom ROM [14:27] the one i saw was android 2.3 [14:28] geez this is easy - installing cyanogen on my droid [14:28] there's a program right in the app store that downloads the ROM for you [14:28] yea, I'm running the 2.3 beta on my phone now [14:28] yea, rommanager [14:29] it doesn't even feel like hacking any more [14:29] well, you have to have root first [14:29] or rommmanger can't write the files/etc [14:29] if it weren't for the rooting thing, my grandmother could do it [14:32] jrwren: i met another non-part-time .net dev last night [14:32] that makes 2 of you [14:43] 2 of us that you know? [14:43] JFYI: I'm often part time. :) [14:48] hm, the amazon cloud does sound good [14:49] i think i moved my music to amazon i could go back to dropbox for the rest of my files [14:50] people keep their music in Dropbox? [14:50] and not just to "loan" an album to a friend via dropbox? [14:51] i don't right now because it puts me over the limits [14:51] My music collection would cost me a fortune to keep in Dropbox [14:52] but it's nice to set up a nw computer, stick on the gigabit lan, and have everything sync over [14:54] keep my music on ubuntu one [14:56] ut oh, cyanogn keeps popping up its logo and then disappearing [14:56] brousch: that first boot takes forever [14:56] I mean, forever [14:57] ok, been going for like 5 minutes [14:57] in my case I htink it ran something like 20-30min [14:57] geez, they should add that to the wiki [14:58] good gosh, 20-30 minutes? I don't have the patience for that! [14:59] you need your phone in 15 minute intervals? [15:02] I actually rarely use my cell. Mostly because it is a dumb phone from 2005. [15:02] Grrr.... iphone update never fails to get screwed up when I'm on the work VPN [15:02] suck it up, handjobs [15:03] not now, dear, I'm busy. [15:05] for a second there, I thought brousch was nixternal [15:05] lol [15:05] watch it now [15:06] nixternal is my hero [15:06] i feel sorry for you then :p [15:06] he escaped coloma. he must be awesome [15:07] i am kind of scared now. http://www.flourishconf.com/2011/ubuntuglobaljam - i would like to see 100 people, but jeesh, that would be to many at the same time [15:07] haha, coloma ftw. actually i escaped watervliet, but it is the same difference :) [15:08] born in benton harbor, then lived in hartford, then lived in watervliet, then moved to chicago in 1979 :) [15:08] interesting going from a population of a couple of thousand to a few million [15:08] you must be 50 years old [15:08] 37 dick [15:08] actually 36, few more months then i will be 37 [15:08] Feel the love. [15:09] 22 /strut [15:09] bah, that means you were like 5 years old when you escaped. obviously your parents are awesome [15:11] it is weird, since both of my dad's parents have passed on, he don't like going to michigan anymore. before we always figured he would retire back there. he sold the family property and everything on the lake a few years ago [15:11] nixternal: you have 5 confirmed attendees. that does not seem scary http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/772/detail/ [15:11] the rest of us here in chicago love going to michigan [15:11] is vim-scripts worth installing? or should I manage scripts myself? I'm mostly just after taglist [15:11] brousch: they just announced the stuff on flourish, and people never register, they always just show up [15:12] you should set out 5 chairs and make the rest of them stand [15:12] fuck, rosie o'donnell is moving to harpo studios. [15:13] double fuck, goose island sold out to anheuser-busch [15:15] come back to west MI. we have all the good beers here [15:15] nixternal: Rosie O'Donnell still has a show? [15:16] Milyardo: Not sure what all is included in vimscripts [15:16] arcadia, founders, new holland, bells [15:16] I'd personally install them all one at a time to make sure there's nothing freaky going on [15:18] Well I'm looking at the file list from here: [15:18] http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/all/vim-scripts/filelist [15:18] Are you willing to sort through all of that crap? [15:20] I swear, Windows has had as many reboots as my iPhone for this upgrade. [15:20] as soon as the iPhone disconnects, Windows doesn't see it again, even if I unplug it and re-plug it in again [15:21] Either Apple screwed the pooch with the drivers for the iPhone, or Windows is an even bigger pile of shit than I realized. [15:23] greg-g: how did the interview go a while back? was with wikipedia IIRC? [15:24] brousch: you have teh better MI beers, shorts and arcadia, but I have OG 1 mi from my house :p [15:25] snap-l: XP or 7? [15:25] jrwren: it went well enough that they invited me to an in-person on April 6th! :) [15:25] greg-g: excellent! congrats. where is the in-person? [15:25] you can't relocated though, can you? didn't you just buy a house? [15:26] SF [15:26] and no, didn't end up buying, things weren't aligning correctly to make it make sense [15:27] hrmm installing vim-scripts installed vim-addon-manager as well with all the scripts disabled in vam by defualt [15:27] so I guess its not so bad so far [15:27] jrwren: Assume until told otherwise that the world is still on XP. ;) [15:28] greg-g: Congratulations on the IP interview! [15:29] the world is in 7 [15:29] the corporate world is on xp [15:29] What other world is there that actually uses Windows besides corporate? [15:30] And I for one welcome our new Blackberry ascendant. ;) [15:30] apparently something like 89% of the computing market, snap-l :) [15:30] greg-g: You keep out of this. [15:31] With all of your "facts" and "figures" [15:31] pshaw. [15:31] i got to use win7 on our new 3d cad station. it's really hard going back to xp now [15:31] They may be using Windows, but they're really thinking of Macintosh [15:32] "Oh Aero, you'll never be Aqua" [15:32] or cocoa, or one of the hundred other codenames in the Mac stack [15:33] ug cyanogen is still booting 45mins later [15:34] And now we have our answer on why the Java-based OS never took off. ;) [15:35] hah [15:57] brousch: ooh, that's scary. Is it still booting? [15:57] still popping in and out and spinning === lotia-away is now known as lotia [16:05] quite OT anyone know if google groups also treats periods as whitespace e.g. messages sent to my.group are delivered to mygroup? [16:07] hm, so i pulled the battery and turned it back on, it is right back to spinning cyanogen thing [16:07] I would *assume* it is the same behavior as gmail, but I don't know for sure, lotia [16:08] greg-g: thanks [16:08] brousch: eek [16:17] cocoa and aqua are two very different things. anyone who knows mac knows that. [16:18] * greg-g doesn't know macs [16:19] greg-g: aqua is the UI that OSX introduced, so if it doesn't look like Mac OS 9, then its probably AQUA. Cocoa is an objective C api. [16:19] Cocoa is an api, like rails :) [16:19] ahhhh [16:19] * greg-g barely knows about rails [16:19] other than only hipsters with black rimmed glasses use it [16:19] :P [16:19] and they use rails on their hipster matching macs. [16:20] :) [16:21] cocoa is sort of analogous to gobject, i think. [16:22] this sort of crap annoys me: http://blogs.forbes.com/davidewalt/2011/03/14/craig-venters-genetic-typo/ [16:26] jrwren: I thought they did away with Aqua, since it's been a while since I'd heard anything about it [16:26] but you're right, it's still in play [16:26] Cocoa has interface elements that are rendered with Aqua themeing [16:30] ok, going to try a manual reflash. at least it feels like hacking now [16:31] might as well try CM7 gingerbread while i'm going crazy [16:31] I've been running the CM7 nightlies, they're awesome. Highly recommended [16:34] greg-g: compared to much of what else is out there. rails is pretty nice. [16:34] * lotia is by no means a hipsted as greg-g can verify. [16:35] * lotia does however use a mac [16:38] rails? crap what did I miss? [16:39] rick_h_: perhaps my inability to detect humour on IRC [16:39] rick_h_: We've all decided to ditch this Python thing and just use Ruby [16:39] and with it, Ruby on Rails [16:39] Rails just sounds better than Django or Pyramid [16:39] or (shudder) Pylons. ;) [16:40] hah!, [16:40] * rick_h_ looks for a new channel [16:40] man, ok jcastro won't troll your twitter post, but :P [16:41] rick_h_: how come? [16:41] because it's web streaming, not $40, and must faster since the files are there vs waiting for U1 sync [16:42] $40 bucks? [16:42] for the mobile plan? [16:42] that's what the U1 page was saying today [16:42] 4 bucks [16:42] per month, or 40 for the year [16:42] amazon == 5gb no cost, or $20 for 20gb [16:43] ok, that was weird [16:43] right but it goes up if you add more music [16:43] (ours does too) [16:43] but I don't think as much [16:43] it only goes up for storage, $1/gb [16:43] jcastro: Yours goes up after 2GB [16:43] i tried to go back to rooted android 2.2 and it seemed to succeed. then when i rebooted it installed CM7 with no effort on my part. i'm now running CM7 [16:43] up to 1tb $1000 [16:43] brousch: congrats [16:44] but yeah it's cheaper [16:44] they can afford to be. :-/ [16:44] yea [16:44] jcastro: No doubt. I'm sure this is a loss-leader. [16:44] oh, other than we let you stream whatever you want [16:44] ^^^^ [16:44] which is why I'm not commenting [16:44] not just what you bought [16:44] jcastro: Really? [16:44] jcastro: I've uploaded 5 albums so far [16:44] rick_h_: that you didn't buy from amazon? [16:44] oh, you mean pandora style? [16:45] jcastro: yea [16:45] you can upload any files, movies, or even documents [16:45] and play/view files on your mobile app [16:45] jcastro: I think canonical needs to make that more clear [16:45] I think the whole feature needs more coverage [16:45] people think amazon is first, I've been doing it for 6 months! [16:45] right, definitely [16:46] but amazon is doing it cheaper and more visible [16:46] Also, I call bullshit on "No cloud storage limit for song purchases" [16:46] if you buy more than 2GB of songs, you can't store anything else. :) [16:46] ? [16:46] oh, on u1? [16:46] yeah [16:46] I think above that purchases don't count against your cap [16:47] Well, they still count. :) [16:47] right, but you can't add files since you bought 2gb of stuff [16:47] from your personal space [16:47] right [16:47] of course [16:47] I have 211M of files on U1 [16:47] I have 2.2G of purchased music [16:47] for U1 [16:47] big thing with amazon's is that no public access to those files. So I can't share a doc/image with snap-l using it [16:48] what do you mean? [16:48] jcastro: was hat ? directed at rick_h_ or me? [16:48] at rick [16:48] public access? [16:49] Amazon doesn't do dropbox / u1 [16:49] so no shared storage [16:49] oh right [16:49] so it's either one or the other [16:49] oddly, amazon doesn't have an iphone app either [16:49] right [16:49] weird [16:49] you'd think that'd be a top priority [16:49] jcastro: I mean if I upload a doc to cloud storage I can't send snap-l a link to it [16:49] jcastro: I think Amazon is hedging their bets [16:49] jcastro: heh, I was ecstatic when I saw that [16:50] Apple is considered a competitor [16:50] the thing is they can't get it on the platform, if you pay a fee for additional storage it's a "subscription" [16:50] right, but you'd think they'd want to snag people to try it at least [16:50] and Apple is likely not going to approve a music store like this [16:50] and you can't have alternative music stores on ios [16:50] so really, they don't have a huge part of the revenue generating model for ios users [16:50] yeah but surely they can have a player? [16:51] but if you pay $20 a year for 20gb of access [16:51] well, I suppose it's like trying to sell common sense to scientologists at that point [16:51] and then have to offer that in your app [16:51] let them just go on and be crazy [16:51] and then give 30% to apple? [16:51] crap, forgot google apps. trying again [16:52] Hey, I have to say, I'm now using more of my U1 storage. [16:52] since I paid $30 for it [16:52] it's pretty nice having that available [16:52] I stopped syncing my music [16:52] I just set the cache to be huge on the phone [16:52] and then use the player [16:52] which not surprisingly is better than the stock android player [16:52] I don't use the mobile stuff [16:53] since I have a Sansa, and rip all of my shit to FLAC [16:53] oh man it's like the only reason I use U1, heh [16:53] I hear they have this thing called a "store". ;) [16:54] yeah I use it [16:54] _stink_: ok, new mission: http://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2011/03/29/mozilla-launches-firefox-4-for-android-allowing-users-to-take-the-power-and-customization-of-firefox-everywhere-2/ [16:54] I am just saying, without the music and the mobile I wouldn't really need U1 [16:54] ie. my primary use case is the mobile streaming [16:54] jcastro: I use it to store files between machines [16:54] but the music store is pretty much my primary use. [16:55] I have dropbox for that, and I'm not ready to move too U1 until windows and LAN syncing is done and solid [16:55] though, I noticed they finally fixed the speed on U1 [16:55] jcastro: hear hear [16:55] I bought the 2 new rush singles [16:55] well, "new" [16:56] and I missed the dl entirely [16:56] it was just there [16:56] new as in later than Caravan / BU2B? [16:56] yep [16:56] I wish Amazon's store synced with Ubuntu One [16:56] * snap-l looks [16:57] it will [16:57] I really don't like the 7digital store [16:57] snap-l: why not just drop the files into U1 directory when you download? [16:58] jcastro: I think you're mistaken [16:58] It's like they didn't bother to make it better [16:58] rick_h_: I want them in the "purchased" folder [16:58] snap-l: yeah, in banshee [16:58] when you buy a song [16:58] ah, ic [16:58] so they don't get synced to the Eee [16:58] otherwise it'll blow up the little 4GB [16:58] oh I see [16:59] well, you set your EEe to not sync the purchased folder right? [16:59] right [16:59] and I think I can just copy things into that folder [16:59] trying it with a sample album now [17:00] I think it's supposed to put it in the same U1 folder the 7d store puts it in [17:00] maybe it will, but currently it just stuffs it into the regular library [17:00] and I have a special "purchased" directory that I move it into [17:01] which gets backed up [17:01] because Amazon's biggest problem is that they won't let you download more than once from your digital locker [17:01] yea, I bet that was part of the deal. You could always only download once frmo their mp3 store [17:02] hmmm, do you mean .ubuntu-one/Purchased Music (or whatever it is), or do you seperate them out? [17:02] oh, i see what i did. i renamed the cyanogenmod file to update.zip instead of renaming the rooted android2. i guess i'm lucky that worked [17:02] jcastro: Currently it's separate [17:09] http://ubuntuone.com/p/k1I/ [17:09] (once it finally syncs. ;) [17:18] There we go [17:19] and this is reason #1 why I'm sticking with Ubuntu One [17:20] 5 downloads, so if something screws up, I can get it back. [17:20] vs. one download, and if something screws up, tough titties. [17:20] *cough* clamz *cough* [17:20] wolfger: STFU [17:21] Hey, it's not my fault you WANT a bad experience with Amazon [17:21] wolfger: That's assuming you keep every .amz file handy. [17:21] Please to be telling me where to do to get the .amz file for this album [17:21] I'll wait. [17:21]