[13:05] <mgariepy> good morning everyone
[19:49] <highvoltage> Edubuntu meeting in around 10 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[21:07] <vmlintu> highvoltage: are you around?
[21:33] <highvoltage> vmlintu: I am indeed
[21:36] <vmlintu> great.. I just read the logs from the debian-edu meeting and realised that uds is coming soon
[21:37] <vmlintu> I started thinking if I should finally attend and try to actually get involved in something
[21:38] <highvoltage> that would be great
[21:39] <vmlintu> are there any plans for the next cycle yet? ideas? dreams?
[21:40] <highvoltage> they're being formed, there are some things I'd certainly like to see improve
[21:40] <highvoltage> ltsp live still needs some work
[21:41] <highvoltage> if I could even just get the race with network manager fixed that would already be a win
[21:41] <vmlintu> I've been just stuck with puavo development so I have no idea what is coming with natty
[21:42] <highvoltage> natty turned out to be quite good (I didn't really expect that, it was quite a bumpy ride with early alphas)
[21:44] <vmlintu> do you know yet who are attending uds?
[21:46] <highvoltage> not exactly. I expect to be there. stgraber too
[21:46] <alkisg> highvoltage: race with the network manager? meaning?
[21:46] <vmlintu> there's also linuxtag in berlin during the same week
[21:46] <alkisg> For 2 nic systems, you can set eth1 to "manual" in /etc/network/interfaces, then network-manager won't touch it
[21:47] <highvoltage> alkisg: if you start ltsp-live before network manager has settled down, then network manager resets the IP as set by LTSP live
[21:47] <alkisg> highvoltage: on 1 nic systems or 2?
[21:47] <highvoltage> alkisg: either
[21:47] <alkisg> highvoltage: need any help? I've looked into that
[21:48] <alkisg> Either from /etc/network/interfaces, with manual, or in /etc/networkmanager/system-connections, define a connection you want
[21:48] <highvoltage> alkisg: I know what needs to be done, we can basically ask network manager what its status is. I just haven't had time to do it this scycle
[21:48] <highvoltage> *cycle
[21:49] <alkisg> OK. Instead of asking, you can tell network manager to set a connection as you want it
[21:49] <alkisg> And since it uses inotify, you can just drop a file there
[21:49] <alkisg> And it'll instantly be used
[21:49] <alkisg> For single nic systems I'd propose proxydhcp
[21:51] <highvoltage> alkisg: yeah, I remember we discussed that before, but I just haven't had time for that. I'd like to give the  option to either proxydhcp, or start dhcpd on an alias
[21:51] <alkisg> No need for aliases
[21:51] <alkisg> Network manager supports multiple ips
[21:52] <highvoltage> multiple ips without aliases? how does that work?
[21:52] <alkisg> The aliases along with ifconfig are the old framework
[21:52] <alkisg> The new one that corresponds to `ip` can handle multiple IPs on each interface without aliases
[21:53] <alkisg> Don't know the theory there, just the tools
[21:53] <highvoltage> ok, that's interesting.
[21:53] <vmlintu> do you have any links for examples?
[21:53] <alkisg> Supported since linux 2.6 i think
[21:53] <alkisg> Network manager has a GUI for it
[21:53] <alkisg> Just add another IP
[21:53] <alkisg> Then, ifconfig won't show that ip
[21:53] <alkisg> But ip addr show will show it
[21:53] <alkisg> (ifconfig doesn't speak the new framework)
[21:54] <vmlintu> is there some command line tool that supports it?
[21:54] <alkisg> ip
[21:55] <alkisg> It supports both adding and displaying IPs
[21:55] <vmlintu> I guess it's time to learn new things..
[21:56] <alkisg> E.g. in 2 days I'll do a demo in a lab with public IPs and without a dhcp server. My laptop will have 2 IPs there, one public one and an 192.168.0.1 one, where it will act as a dhcp server with dnsmasq.
[21:56] <alkisg> highvoltage: so you can drop  2-3 different connections in /etc/networkmanager/system-connections
[21:57] <alkisg> 1) auto eth0 - proxydhcp
[21:57] <alkisg> 2) static eth0 192.168.0.1 - normal dhcp
[21:57] <alkisg> 3) static eth0 based on the current subnet (queried with ipconfig -n) + second IP on 192.168.0.1 + dhcp there
[21:58] <alkisg> And let the user select one of them with just 2 clicks on the network manager applet
[22:01] <alkisg> (and it'll probably be easier if "auto eth0/auto eth1" is used first, and wait to see if there's a dhcp server around on each nic or not)
[22:01] <alkisg> 'night all
[22:35] <highvoltage> oops, missed alkis
[22:47] <wolfik> hi
[22:48] <wolfik>  i teach in gymnasium and i have 18 computers i try use oneconf but it don't work in ubuntu 10.10 if this work just in 11.04?