[00:07] <naomi__> What program can I use thats like teamviewer? Where my friend (using windows) can connect to me and use my desktop?
[00:13] <petete> you mean like vnc?
[00:15] <naomi__> yeah.
[00:15] <naomi__> is terminal server client the same as teamviewer? like i dont just want to screen share. i want him to be able to do things on my laptop.
[00:22] <petete> you can use ssh
[00:22] <petete> or freeNX / NomachineNX
[00:24] <petete> or krfb
[00:29] <Torch> naomi__: as far as i know there's not such thing as teamviwer/netviewr for linux.
[02:05] <Technicus> Hello . . . I'm having trouble with color scheme settings: I migrated from Debian Stable to Ubuntu 10.10, the /home directory was segrated from / on a different partition so I was able to port over my profile, there were only a few minor issues from doing this . . .
[02:05] <Technicus> . . . one particular problem is with the colorscheme on KDE applications; I primarily use a Gnome desktop with numerous KDE applications, I would like to set the color scheme back to default and go from there, but it seems as though there are setting from before or a misconfiguration somewhere that won't allow me to change the colors . . .
[02:05] <Technicus> I have tried adjusting through both "Application Apperance" and "Workspace Apperance" configuration menus in the "System Settings" application, with limited success, I have also attempted deleting ~/.kde with no succcess . . .
[02:05] <Technicus> . . . new profiles created do not have this problem.  What else can I do to resolve this issue?
[02:05] <FloodBotK2> Technicus: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[02:07] <Technicus> I am not trying to spam, just looking for assistance.
[02:09] <liekzomg> is nepomuk suitable to use for a NAS? bunch of computers with kde and win connecting and adding tags, all i really care about is the tagging
[05:00] <you_> hello
[05:01] <you_> i need some help with the su command
[05:01] <you_> hello??
[05:02] <you_> kbye
[05:19] <kromium> I changed my .profile to define a new variable, but when I start Konsole again, I can't see that variable defined?
[05:22] <Mase_wk> kromium: does .profile get read ?
[05:23] <kromium> Mase_wk: I am not sure, if it gets read in Konsole though. When I run the .profile it gets added
[05:23] <Mase_wk> right but that doesn't help you if it never gets read
[05:23] <Mase_wk> echo something and open a new term / konsole and see if it prints it
[05:24] <Mase_wk> if not then you need to look at the global bash settings ( assuming your using bash ) and see under what circumstances it is read
[05:29] <kromium> ok thanks
[06:19] <noaXess> good morning
[06:19] <noaXess> is FF4 out in a ubuntu repo?
[06:21] <kevin_> je ne sais pas
[06:23] <noaXess> aha: http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/einsteigerhilfe-firefox-4-auf-ubuntu-10-10-ins/
[06:27] <_sophia> hey guys, i need to print off a pdf or w.e, so i have to set up a printer. should it just work when i plug it in or will i have to do something(s) special? =/
[06:30] <noaXess> _sophia: it belongs to the printer.. normally, plugin and work.. :) otherwise check http://www.openprinting.org/printers
[06:31] <kevin_> _sophia: most well-known printers will work just fine
[06:56] <pratheep> hi
[06:58] <pratheep> hi every body i'm new's on ubuntu ..
[06:59] <pratheep>   hi every body i'm new's on ubuntu ..  Who can talk with me?
[07:02] <pratheep_> kk
[07:03] <Mase_wk> pratheep_: if you have a question just ask
[07:03] <pratheep_> oh!
[07:03] <pratheep_> i guess not everybody in hear
[07:04] <pratheep_> now i' use gnome ubuntu
[07:04] <pratheep_> and
[07:04] <Mase_wk> pratheep_: for support with gnome your probably better off asking in #ubuntu
[07:04] <pratheep_> just moment
[07:05] <pratheep_> i ' don't know that chalnel
[07:05] <Mase_wk> well now you do =)
[07:06] <pratheep_> thK..you
[09:19] <howoriginalAU> Hi everyone :)
[09:54] <stefano> ciao
[10:31] <howoriginalAU> would you recommend kuntu to a noob?
[10:31] <howoriginalAU> lol sorry :S kubuntu*
[10:50] <asraniel> is there a way i can solve the bug where kmail fails to open kwallet on startup?
[11:56] <||arifaX> I created a user samba and rsync my pictures to its home folder serving a folder pictures for all users via samba (guest access ro). after syncing only user samba can access the files. what to do to automatically allow all users after sync?
[12:12] <susundberg> ||arifaX: Isn't that configured somewhere in sambe sharing settings
[12:13] <katja> !resolution
[12:13] <||arifaX> susundberg: yes, there I allow guest access, thats ok. but since the target of my rsync is inside the home dir of user samba all gets owned by him and samba pointing to it does not automatically allow access
[12:18] <||arifaX> susundberg: I think I found a solution. I can define the user samba as the guest user for samba so it has access
[12:18] <susundberg> yeah i mean file-level permissions are one thing and samba permissions other afaik
[12:19] <susundberg> i mean even if all of the files are owned by samba: -- you can still restrict access for 'samba-user-xxx' in samba configuration
[12:19] <susundberg> i am no means samba expert -- i haven't (luckily) needed that since 2003 ..
[12:23] <||arifaX> susundberg: thanks anyway - seems to work now with  guest account = samba
[12:24] <susundberg> nice!
[12:49] <Elephantman> hi :) I want to upgrade a maverick install to natty. I use 'update-manager -d', and after a long while waiting during the "evaluating changes" job, the upgrade is refused. What's the way around ?
[12:57] <Peace-> Elephantman: natty is not supported
[12:57] <Elephantman> it says the cause could be "Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu" which is the case, but there surely is a way
[12:58] <Peace-> natty is alpha please do not upgrade to unstable version
[12:58] <Peace-> you could get a un-usable computer
[12:58] <Peace-> bye
[12:58] <Elephantman> yes I know that and it's not for everyday use, just that I need to test something
[12:59] <Peace-> !natty
[13:00] <Elephantman> ok thanks
[13:46] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[14:59] <roinux__> somebody know about ubuntu in spanish (channel)?
[14:59] <francis__> salut
[15:00] <Kolia> roinux__: #ubuntu-es ?
[15:00] <Kolia> !es
[15:00] <Kolia> !sp
[15:02] <seiflotfy__> hey guys
[15:02] <seiflotfy__>  whats aaron seigo's nick
[15:03] <roinux__> thanks
[15:03] <Kolia> seiflotfy__: aseigo
[15:46] <[mors]> hi gentes
[15:46] <[mors]> hi gents
[15:46] <[mors]> the notification popup is accumulating "don't show this again" buttons http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9681493/popup.png
[15:47] <[mors]> fixy fix ?
[16:21] <antonio_> hi...I'm unable to use speedtest.net, because the site is asking for  a flash version 9 or superior. But I think I have version 10.xxx installed
[16:22] <xguru> I created a kubuntu 10.10 live usb stick with unetbootin.  When i reboot and boot from usb drive it says usb drive is not bootable
[16:22] <xguru> I checked in gparted on the drive and it has a "tick" on bootable
[16:22] <xguru> any ideaS?
[16:23] <xguru> Many times making boot disks and this is the first time i have had any troubles
[16:24] <James147> xguru: did you do a md5sum check on the iso?
[16:24] <xguru> James147: yes
[16:25] <xguru> i don't have another comp at the moment to test on
[16:25] <James147> xguru: and you have tried reimaging the disk?
[16:26] <xguru> yes i have deleted partitions.  Created a new one FAT32
[16:27] <James147> hmm, if your already have a *ubuntu install i suggest trying usb-creator ^^ i find that handles ubuntu discs better
[16:27] <xguru> yea, i guess i'll give that a try....i'm on bodhi right now
[16:31] <xguru> ok....rebooting lets see what happend
[16:45] <thevishy> how do I change the background ?
[16:47] <thevishy> I mean the basic configuration in Kub
[16:47] <James147> thevishy: drag an image to th e desktop ^^ or right clcik the desktop > desktop settings ...
[16:48] <thevishy> i am seeing search and launch is that the "desktop:
[16:49] <James147> ahh, your on the netbook version?
[16:49] <thevishy> I have installed install kubuntu-desktop
[16:49] <James147> thevishy: then i think you have to click the  cachew (its the circle thing in the corner... probally on the bottom)
[16:49] <thevishy> how do I make it to kubuntu
[16:50] <thevishy> dont want netbook thingy
[16:50] <James147> thevishy: kubuntu-desktop willintsall both the netbook and full version, and it will use by default the one it thinks is best for your computer
[16:50] <thevishy> how do I make it go for the desktop now
[16:51] <James147> then system settings > workspace > change: workspace type
[16:51] <thevishy> I didnt like the netbook version for Gnome too . I think the regular one is better for both - my pref I mean
[16:51] <him> hay can any one hekp me i not being able to see any new softwares in kpackagekit
[16:51] <James147> him: have you updated the package list/?
[16:51] <him> ya
[16:52] <him> but during update some error message being displayed
[16:52] <James147> him: what error?
[16:53] <littlegirl> Hey there, I've got Kubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx and I'm curious what the little + in the upper left corner of icons on the Desktop is for.
[16:53] <thevishy> thanks , how do I chose the theme now ?
[16:53] <James147> littlegirl: multi selection
[16:53] <thevishy> System Settings - What ?
[16:53] <littlegirl> James147:  Thanks! (:
[16:54] <him> james: some ip connection timeout
[16:54] <James147> thevishy: ... > Workspace    or  ... > Workspace behaviour > workspace    depending on the verions :p
[16:54] <James147> him: you could try changing the mirror you use
[16:55] <him> Jmaes: sorry i am not clear what to do. pls make me clear i too novice
[16:55] <James147> him: one sec :)
[16:56] <thevishy> right what would change the looks of my bottom panel
[16:57] <James147> thevishy: system settings > workspace appearence > desktop theme
[16:58] <James147> him: kpackagekit > settings > Edit Origins > change: "Download from..."
[17:01] <thevishy> my windows dont show a minimize maximine exit buttons
[17:02] <James147> thevishy: when they are maixmised?
[17:02] <thevishy> yeah James147
[17:03] <James147> thevishy: you have changed the workspace type?
[17:03] <thevishy> chat isnt showing but Dolphin is
[17:03] <thevishy> made it to desktop
[17:03] <James147> thevishy: try restarting kwin (kwin --replace) or loging out and back in
[17:03] <thevishy> right
[17:15] <|Flo> hej
[17:15] <|Flo> i am new here and just removed my tab bar panel (windows start panel equivalent). could anybody please give me a quick hint how i get it back?
[17:16] <maco> |Flo: should be able to right click on the desktop and add a widget. the widget is called panel
[17:16] <James147> |Flo: right click the desktop > add panel  ^^make sure widgets are unlocked first
[17:16] <|Flo> kk, thanks
[17:16] <James147> maco: ^^ the panel isnt in add widgets
[17:16] <James147> is it?
[17:16] <maco> hmm dunno. im on plasma netbook so i cant check
[17:17] <James147> maco: ahh, yeah, plasma netbook has a weird panel
[17:17] <|Flo> at least i do not find what i search, the reaon might be that i dunno how its called
[17:19] <|Flo> ah i got it, was hidden behind irc... stupid from me, sorry
[17:21] <JonathonRT> Can anyone here help me before I smash my laptop <.<
[17:22] <James147> !ask | JonathonRT
[17:23] <JonathonRT> I just recently installed the latest Kubuntu, And I'm like a total Linux newbie here, And I'm trying to install FIrefox and Flash
[17:23] <JonathonRT> I can't install either
[17:23] <James147> JonathonRT: how are you tring to install them?
[17:23] <JonathonRT> I've downloaded both of them, And now I'm lost
[17:24] <James147> JonathonRT: delete the down loads... open kpackagekit > search "firefox" > click install > search "kubuntu-restricted-extras" > click install > click apply
[17:24] <naomi_> I'm the same, Jonathon. Complete noob at this geeky stuff. >.>
[17:24] <James147> ^^ that will downlaod both firefox and flash (with some other things like mp3 support)
[17:25] <James147> naomi_: ^^ its not the geeky... its just different from windows :) kpackagekit isnt hard to use, you just need to know about it :D
[17:25] <JonathonRT> kpackagekit is located....
[17:26] <JonathonRT> Also glad to see I'm not the only knowledgeless one here =D
[17:26] <James147> JonathonRT: most things you install you should do though kpackagekit (or some other package manager, eg apt-get on the command line... though it dosnt matter which you use)
[17:26] <James147> ^^ it makes things easier as it downloads install and ocnfiguers them for you... as wll as keeps them upto date
[17:26] <JonathonRT> Alright
[17:26] <JonathonRT> How do I find kpackagekit?
[17:27] <James147> JonathonRT: you might also want to install firefox-kde-support to make it look nicer :)
[17:27] <JonathonRT> nvm, Found it, Also, Alright I will
[17:27] <James147> JonathonRT: it should be in the menu ^^ or you can alt+f2: type "kpackagekit" to have kubuntu search for it :)
[17:27] <naomi_> James my windows is 64bit. Does that mean my linux is too? whats the command for checking?
[17:28] <genii-around> uname -m
[17:28] <naomi_> Oh, sweet.
[17:28] <naomi_> Thanks.
[17:28] <James147> naomi_: it means your computer is capable of running 64bit, but all 64bit computerr can also run 32bit ^^ "uname -m" at a terminal will tell you which your running
[17:29] <James147> x86_64 means 64bit, x86 is 32bit
[17:29] <naomi_> And I've just installed Teamviewer. Does it matter if I'm connecting to a person on windows?
[17:30] <James147> naomi_: it shouldnt ^^ most applications dont care what os other clients are useing
[17:30] <naomi_> Okie. Thanks. :)
[17:30] <JonathonRT> Alrighty, I found Firefox, Click Install, Nothing happens
[17:30] <JonathonRT> The install button sinks in
[17:30] <James147> JonathonRT: that will have mark it for installation
[17:30] <naomi_> can't you just sudo apt-get firefox?
[17:31] <James147> ^^ find the other packages i mentions and mark them for installtion then click apply
[17:31] <JonathonRT> Oh ok, And no, I tried that Naomi, said it didn't have the package
[17:31] <James147> naomi_: its helpful to learn how to use kpackagekit as its easier to search
[17:31] <naomi_> I don't even know what kpackagekit is, lol. I'm not even on kubuntu. D:
[17:32] <James147> JonathonRT: hmm, it should have worked, you can try running "sudo apt-get update" to refresh the package list, then try "sudo apt-get install firefox" again ^^ or use kpackagekit
[17:32] <James147> naomi_: its a gui front end to packagemanagment
[17:32] <JonathonRT> I'm just usin kpackage, I got it goin now
[17:33] <JonathonRT> What are you on, Naomi?
[17:33] <naomi_> Ubuntu 10.04.
[17:33] <James147> JonathonRT: the reason why clicking install dosnt install the package is so you can mark many packages for installtion, then downlaod and install them all at once (when you click apply)
[17:34] <James147> naomi_: then kpackagekit is kubuntu equlivent to ubuntus software center
[17:34] <naomi_> Ohh.
[17:34] <JonathonRT> @Naomi, Cool, I tried it once before, But I looked at Kubuntu and like the look and layout alot more. @James, Ok cool
[17:34] <James147> ^^ but written in kde rather then gtk
[17:35]  * James147 points out that most irc clients allow name completion when pressing the tab key ^^
[17:35] <JonathonRT> James147: Oh hai
[17:35] <JonathonRT> I never knew that
[17:36] <James147> :) and most clients also highlight lines that contain your name ^^ makes it easier to see hows talking to you
[17:36] <JonathonRT> I noticed that one =D
[17:37] <JonathonRT> So is this channel usually this quiet?
[17:37] <James147> JonathonRT: yeah
[17:37] <James147> :(
[17:37] <him> hay James thanks a lot
[17:37] <JonathonRT> WELL NOT ANYMORE =D
[17:37] <JonathonRT> >.>
[17:37] <James147> :)
[17:37] <him> i just being able to get new software
[17:38] <James147> him: so changing the mirror worked i take it :)
[17:38] <naomi_> I switch between #ubuntu and here. Mainly here cause james explains things easy for me. >.>
[17:38] <James147> hehe
[17:38] <him> James: ya
[17:38] <JonathonRT> Ye, he seems pretty cool
[17:38] <him> James: but now i face a new problem
[17:38] <James147> him: ^^
[17:39] <him> James: when i rt clicking on desktop nothing just appearing
[17:39] <James147> him: netbook or desktop version?
[17:39] <JonathonRT> Is Shoutcast compatable with Amarok?
[17:40] <naomi_> James the teamviewer thing won't work. I can control his desktop but when we switches to mine it's just a black screen. He can't see anything. Any idea why?
[17:40] <him> James: i previously changed the desktop theme
[17:40] <him> James: desktop
[17:40] <James147> naomi_: afraid i dont know ^^ never used teamviewer
[17:41] <naomi_> Okie.
[17:41] <JonathonRT> I've used TV =D
[17:41] <JonathonRT> I never had that problem before though
[17:42] <naomi_> Well I'm on linux and he's on windows. He also has 2 monitors. Idk why it's going black though.
[17:42] <James147> him: try clicking the cachew > desktop settings > mouse actions (http://userbase.kde.org/images.userbase/8/83/Plasma_howto-widget-desktop-add-45.gif  << the thing he clicks)
[17:42] <naomi_> Works fine when i use it on windows.
[17:42] <JonathonRT> Maybe there is some OS Confliction issues
[17:42] <JonathonRT> Linux is too cool for windoze to display =P
[17:43] <naomi_> Lol.
[17:50] <JonathonRT> I'm a little disappointed
[17:50] <JonathonRT> All that trouble to get firefox, And it's like way slower than Konquerer
[17:52] <JonathonRT> err, Rekonq in my case
[17:54] <Arkon> a
[17:54] <James147> JonathonRT: :S you should try chromium as well :)
[17:55] <JonathonRT> That the linux version of Google Chrome?
[17:55] <James147> !info chromium-browser
[17:55] <James147> JonathonRT: its the open version of google chrome
[17:55] <James147> (there is a linux version of google chrome as well
[17:58] <Riddell> ** kubuntu meeting in 3 minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[17:58] <JonathonRT> Kubuntu meeting?
[18:00] <JonathonRT> Can I open .pdf files already, or do I need to install something for that?
[18:01] <sre-su> JonathonRT: Okular opens it by default
[18:01] <JonathonRT> k cool
[18:01] <sre-su> !info okular
[18:05] <JonathonRT> Back in awhile, Gotta grab some stuff off Windows =D
[18:26] <Kaleidoscope> Back =D
[18:27] <Kaleidoscope> Hello again, naomi
[18:28] <Kaleidoscope> Not used to having to single click stuff on here, I keep opening multiples
[18:28] <Kaleidoscope> =P
[18:29] <naomi_> Lol. Hey.
[18:29] <BluesKaj> Kaleidoscope, you can change to double click in system settings/input devices/mouse
[18:30] <Kaleidoscope> Oh thanks, But it's cool, I like the single click
[18:30] <Kaleidoscope> Just gotta remember it
[18:32] <Kaleidoscope> James147: I'm liking this Chromium, It's very nice =D
[18:33] <James147> Kaleidoscope: it is :)
[18:34] <James147> Kaleidoscope: and the single click is so much nicer when your use to it :0
[18:34] <Kaleidoscope> I imagine so, I sorta like it already, Just forget about it, I've used windows for years
[18:36] <James147> Kaleidoscope: ^^ i now get anoyed by system that use the double click... its a while extra unnneded click :(
[18:36] <Kaleidoscope> lol, Soon I might be like that
[18:37]  * BluesKaj changed W7 click option to single
[18:38] <BluesKaj> but no more dual boots as of today
[18:41] <BluesKaj> I now have 2 linux only pcs...gonna let my friends live and die in windows ...tired of rescuing their OSs from their messes
[18:42] <James147> BluesKaj: :D yeah, its nice not having to worry about a windows install blowing up
[18:43] <Kaleidoscope> I'm dual booting, Because I'm prety new to linux, And I'll still use windows for most of my gaming/Guitar effects =P
[18:43] <Kaleidoscope> I seem to have left a T out of that sentence
[18:43] <naomi_> James what torrent clients can I use? For downloading films and stuff.
[18:44] <naomi_> I used Utorrent and isohunt on Windows. ¬_¬
[18:44] <BluesKaj> James147, it's something every week it seems...I'll monitor wifes W7 install, but that's it, at least til the next disaster :)
[18:45] <James147> naomi_: ktorrent is what kubuntu uses by default
[18:45] <James147> ^^ and fairly similar to utorrent from what i remember
[18:45] <Kaleidoscope> @Naomi, Type torrent into your software manager, and it might find one to use
[18:45] <naomi_> But for ubuntu? Can I use that? >.>
[18:45] <James147> naomi_: you can use all kde applcations on ubuntu ^^
[18:46] <James147> though ubuntun probally has one already installed by defualt
[18:46] <naomi_> Oh okie.
[18:46] <James147> naomi_: ask on #ubuntu for details
[18:46] <naomi_> Place is dead.
[18:47] <naomi_> Nvm. ¬_¬
[18:47] <naomi_> I had the bar scrolled to the top, looked like nobody was typing. >.>
[18:47]  * James147 is suprosed #ubuntu is dead ^^
[18:48] <James147> naomi_: any perticular reason your not using kde?
[18:48] <naomi_> I use the ubuntu software centre.
[18:48] <naomi_> Center.^
[18:48] <naomi_> Idk what kde is.
[18:49] <James147> the desktop envrioment kubuntu uses (ubuntu ses the gome de
[18:49] <James147> gnome
[18:49] <naomi_> Oh yeah, I use gnome.
[18:49]  * James147 suggests installing "kubuntu-desktop" in ubuntu and trying kde (you should beablet o chose which one you loginto from the login manager if you do install it)
[18:50] <naomi_> Sounds like effort. :P
[18:50] <naomi_> Can i install Ktorrent in terminal yeah?
[18:50] <naomi_> Sudo apt-get it?
[18:50] <genii-around> Yup
[18:52] <jonathon> Is it possible to stop it from sleeping every time I close the haptop?
[18:52] <jonathon> Laptop*
[18:54] <genii-around> jonathon: sudo chmod -x /etc/acpi/lid.sh
[18:54] <James147> jonathon: yes, in the power managemnt part of system settings
[18:54] <genii-around> Or that way :)
[18:55] <jonathon> I like the konsole way, I'm tryin to master using it
[18:55] <jonathon> thanks genii-around
[19:31] <anginsan> hallo welt ??
[19:31] <|Flo> hej
[19:32] <|Flo> is there any way to increase the refresh rate for my monitor? it definetely supports more than 60 Hz but the menu does not provide that option
[19:33] <James147> |Flo: are you having problems with the monitor?
[19:33] <|Flo> i just don#t like the 60 Hz, 70 would be more comfortable. also windows supports that... should be possible i think
[19:34] <James147> |Flo: you con notice the difference?
[19:34] <|Flo> definetely
[19:34] <|Flo> after 1-2 hours you notice
[19:34] <James147> |Flo: then you might need to delve into the xorg.conf
[19:35] <|Flo> at least with my screen
[19:35] <genii-around> If your monitor is at 60 and you have fluorescent lights which also go at 60 you get almost like a strobe effect which causes headaches
[19:36] <|Flo> might be that
[19:36] <|Flo> so i need to change my screen
[19:36] <|Flo> but how?
[19:37] <|Flo> going back to windows should not be a solution for that
[19:38] <genii-around> |Flo: Can you pastebin the results of command: xrandr
[19:40] <|Flo> i try, is there any trick with copy&paste? ctrl c is not working
[19:40] <|Flo> Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1920 x 1200, maximum 4096 x 4096
[19:40] <|Flo> VGA-1 connected 1920x1200+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 518mm x 324mm
[19:40] <|Flo>    1920x1200      60.0*+
[19:40] <|Flo>    1600x1200      60.0
[19:40] <|Flo>    1280x1024      75.0     60.0
[19:40] <FloodBotK2> |Flo: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:40] <|Flo>    1280x960       60.0
[19:41] <|Flo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/587477/
[19:41]  * genii-around reads
[19:52] <genii-around> |Flo: You can try the method described here: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-change-display-resolution-settings-using-xrandr.html      using for the cvt command:  cvt 1920 1200 75   and VGA-1 in the xrandr lines where they have there VGA1. To make permanent don't edit the gdm file but rather /etc/kde4/kdm/Xsetup
[19:52] <|Flo> thank you very much, i will try
[20:05] <|Flo> genii-around: may i pm you?
[20:06] <genii-around> |Flo: Sure
[20:19] <inj3ct0r> im sorry this chanel is for supoting? can i ask my q?
[20:20] <gomiboy> inj3ct0r: sure
[20:21] <inj3ct0r> you know i installed kubuntu 10.10 but when os came up all things were small
[20:21] <inj3ct0r> what i should do to fix it?
[20:22] <gomiboy> small? like small icons, small text etc?
[20:22] <inj3ct0r> small window small icon small toolbar smal smal smal
[20:26] <gomiboy> inj3ct0r: try this: Applications -> System -> krandrtray ... right click on the screen icon in your tray bar an lower your screen resolution
[20:30] <inj3ct0r> im a starter wich os do you prefer for me?
[20:30] <inj3ct0r> ubuntu or kubuntu or opensuse?
[20:31] <naomi_> it's a personal choice.
[20:31] <gomiboy> that worked?
[20:31] <inj3ct0r> no i could not find it
[20:31] <James147> inj3ct0r: the great thing about linux distros is they are all free ^^ so you can try them all and see which you like the best...
[20:33] <gomiboy> inj3ct0r: it's called also "Screen Resize & Rotate"
[20:33] <inj3ct0r> but all the linux re very similar to each other
[20:34] <James147> inj3ct0r: they all have their own goals and focus on different things
 i clicked it but nothng happend
[20:38] <gomiboy> inj3ct0r: right click on the icon in the tray bar now, lower your resolution
[20:40] <naomi_> Is it better to keep upgrading your linux? Like I have 10.04 now.. would I be better off getting 10.10?
[20:40] <inj3ct0r> i right clicked but there were just ADD TO CLIBOARD ADD TO PANEL ...
[20:42] <James147> naomi_: it depends on your goals ^^ 10.04 is a long term support release, it will obtain security updates for a few years yet ^^ it is designed for evroments the relay on stable software...
[20:42] <James147> naomi_: howver ^^ for more people its best to keep on the latest version
[20:43] <James147> as it has newer more uptodate software
[20:43] <naomi_> i don't understand how the upgrade system works. like in order for me to get the lastest version i thought i had to uninstall this and re-install a whole new system, losing everything?
[20:44] <James147> naomi_: no, you can upgrade between versions
[20:44] <inj3ct0r> i rght clicked but there were just add to panel and and
[20:44] <James147> though a fresh install is often smoother
[20:44] <naomi_> Okay, bare with me while I type a long paragraph.
[20:46] <naomi_> I want to run linux alongside windows. I tried partitioning the two, but I din't understand the whole partition thing or how to do it properly so I used Wubi. But now I want to do it properly, partition them both and get the latest version. Maverick or whatever.
[20:46] <naomi_> I have no idea how.
[20:47] <James147> naomi_: I would start by booting windows ^^ it has a disk managment utility that is able to shrink the partitions
[20:48] <naomi_> So I'll need to remove this altogether? This Ubuntu that i'm using now/
[20:49] <James147> naomi_: you dont need to do that ^^ and I would suggest agienst it untill after you ahve everyhting working :)
 there were just add to panell dekstop tool bar what i should do?
[20:50] <gomiboy> inj3ct0r: do you have the screen-like icon in your tray bar?
[20:50] <gomiboy> inj3ct0r: you should get something similar to this: http://www.indexdata.com.br/Linux/Distros/PcLinuxOs-ID/10-krandrtray.png
[20:52] <inj3ct0r> you know i right click
[20:52] <inj3ct0r> but there were just add to toolbar dekstop and panel
[20:54] <inj3ct0r> gomiboy what i should do now?
[20:55] <gomiboy> inj3ct0r: let's start this over: go to Applications -> System -> Screen resize... (krandrtray) and LEFT CLICK. Then RIGHT CLICK on the screen icon in the tray.
[20:57] <inj3ct0r> where is screen icon?
[20:58] <gomiboy> inj3ct0r: lower right in your tray bar
[20:58] <inj3ct0r> where is tray bar?
[20:59] <inj3ct0r> i have told you i am begginer
[21:00] <gomiboy> sure, but also windows has a try bar... are you a computer beginner? You aren't trolling, right? :)
[21:01] <inj3ct0r> yes but i never heard try bar
[21:04] <inj3ct0r> yes i find it
[21:04] <inj3ct0r> then?
[21:08] <TheGentleman> While attempting to install a program (using Synaptic) I got the following error message:
[21:08] <TheGentleman> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable
[21:08] <TheGentleman> Now, Synaptic was the only program in use.   What could I do and Why this happens?
[21:10] <genii-around> TheGentleman: What does: lsof | grep config.dat           show?
[21:10] <TheGentleman> checking
[21:11] <genii-around> If nothing then just run Synaptic again
[21:11] <TheGentleman> yes, it says nothing... but synaptic was still open
[21:11] <TheGentleman>  i will retry after closing it
[21:12] <TheGentleman> genii-around,  the command returns nothing also after closing synaptic
[21:13] <genii-around> TheGentleman: Likely some update was running previously
[21:13] <TheGentleman> I don't know... I have no other programs running... afaik
[21:14] <TheGentleman> so what could I do genii-around ?
[21:15] <genii-around> TheGentleman: Try installing whatever it was again
[21:15] <TheGentleman> ok, will let you know
[21:17] <TheGentleman> genii-around: same message as before. Could it be a broken installation of something (may be days ago) that I did not notice?
[21:19] <TheGentleman> what else could be locking that file?   btw I do not have any idea what it is all about
[21:28] <genii-around> TheGentleman: Apologies on lag, work required me
[21:28] <TheGentleman> never mind
[21:29] <TheGentleman> while waiting I performed apt-get clean, apt-get autoclean and apt-get autoremove
[21:29] <naomi_> Genii i'm trying to upgrade but it's saying my system is up to date.
[21:30] <TheGentleman>  the latter showed a list of messages
[21:30] <TheGentleman> do you want me to pastebin the output?
[21:31] <genii-around> TheGentleman: Sure
[21:32] <genii-around> naomi_: You wanted 10.04 to 10.10 or so?
[21:32] <naomi_> Yep.
[21:32] <genii-around> !upgrade
[21:33] <TheGentleman> genii-around,  here it is : http://pastebin.com/VgDWurVG
[21:34] <genii-around> naomi_: Sometimes also the file /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades needs to have the line Prompt=normal instead of Prompt=lts
[21:35] <genii-around> TheGentleman: does /var/lib/dpkg/lock exist?
[21:37] <TheGentleman> genii-around, yes it exists but its size is 0
[21:38] <genii-around> TheGentleman: Perhaps to try: sudo rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock && sudo touch /var/lib/dpkg/lock and then see if sudo dpkg --configure -a         works or reports errors
[21:39] <TheGentleman> ok, I will report genii-around
[21:42] <TheGentleman> genii-around, same list of error messages as before after I issued the dpkg command
[21:43] <TheGentleman> something locks that file... but what and why?
[21:43] <naomi_> genii-around: http://i.imgur.com/D2bQ5.png is this right? like i can upgrade even though i'm only using linux on the Wubi thing?
[21:44] <genii-around> naomi_: Yup
[21:44] <naomi_> And how long around does it take do you know? Like will I be offline for hours?
[21:45] <genii-around> naomi_: I find it typically takes 45 minutes to an hour on a DSL connection, but your mileage may vary
[21:47] <TheGentleman> naomi_, I confirm.... but i do not like online upgrades: I had lot of troubles in the past. A clean installation is always better, if you can save your /home or your important data
[21:49] <naomi_> I don't know how to do a clean installation. I'm using linux through wubi. I don't know how to install it properly or partition it. I don't understand the instructions it gives lol.
[21:50] <TheGentleman> well, i hope they have improved the reliability of the upgrade process...  I'm quite sure they worked on it
[21:51] <TheGentleman> naomi: it is anyway a good idea to save important data before upgrading
[21:52] <naomi_> But it's okay to continue just using it this way for now? Like wubi isn't just a temporary thing or anything?
[21:52] <genii-around> !aptlock
[21:52] <genii-around> TheGentleman: Perhaps try the bot's suggestion
[21:52] <James147> naomi_: you can use wubi for as long as you like
[21:53] <TheGentleman> yeah, ok genii-around
[21:53] <naomi_> Okay. I think I'll upgrade this now. Then clean install when the newer verseion comes out.
[21:53] <James147> naomi_: though most people just use it to try out kubuntu before installing it onto an actual partition :)
[21:54] <naomi_> Yeah but i don't know how to do that. I didn't understand the instructions last time i tried to do it. ;(
[21:54] <naomi_> Version.^
[21:56] <TheGentleman> genii-around, It is still locked!  same error messages
[21:58] <genii-around> TheGentleman: Did you close Synaptic while trying the apt-get stuff?
[21:58] <naomi_> What does Long Term Support even mean? Like when they say something will be supported until 2012.
[21:58] <TheGentleman> of course!  ;-)
[21:58] <maco> naomi_: we keep answering questions about it here, and you keep getting security & bugfix updates
[21:58] <naomi_> Oh i see.
[21:59] <maco> normal releases, it's 18mo
[22:00] <TheGentleman> genii-around, if it says a process is locking that file i should find it listed in System Monitor.... but which process do I look for?
[22:00] <TheGentleman>  I am not competent enough to know
[22:01] <genii-around> TheGentleman: Something like debconf or a name with "frontend" in it possibly
[22:01] <naomi_> Okie. And also I'm trying to learn some commands for terminal. Like "pwd" shows i'm in home. then "cd Pictures" and "cd .." is to go back a level or something? but what is to go forward?
[22:01] <naomi_> If that makes sense.
[22:01] <TheGentleman> ok genii-around : searching
[22:02] <TheGentleman> naomi_, you shall give the full path in that case
[22:03] <gomiboy> naomi_: no, it doesn't make much sens, it's not a browser :P but cd - will get you to the last dir you were in
[22:03] <naomi_> Lol. Yeah thats what I meant gomiboy. Thanks.
[22:05] <maco> naomi_: cd .. is like backspacing out the last set of /word/ on a web browser in the address bar
[22:05] <naomi_> Oh okay. So if I'm in /Pictures and do cd .. it take me out of pictures and back to home?
[22:05] <TheGentleman> genii-around,  there is a "frontend" process  owned by root, not using any memory and not highlighted (i guess it means it is idle, right?)
[22:06] <James147> naomi_: cd is used to change directory ^^ .. means the parent directory
[22:06] <maco> like if you do:    cd /var/log       and then do       cd ..         itll take you to /var
[22:06] <naomi_> Kay I get it now.
[22:06] <TheGentleman> just cd brings you up one level
[22:06] <naomi_> I honestly have no idea how you lot have the patience to put up with all the noob questions. I ask about 20 questions a day.
[22:07] <James147> TheGentleman: no "cd" iwth no arguments takes you to your home
[22:07] <maco> naomi_: i have a little brother...
[22:07] <naomi_> Lol.
[22:07] <James147> TheGentleman: it is equlivent to "cd ~" or "cd $HOME"
[22:07] <TheGentleman> ok James147
[22:07] <maco> naomi_: by the way, am i correctly interpretting from your nick that you're a woman? because there's this Ubuntu Women Project that's for supporting/encouraging women interested in ubuntu...
[22:09] <naomi_> I am indeed.. and is that a joke? >.>
[22:09] <maco> no, why would it be?
[22:09] <naomi_> Why would they have a project for women?
[22:09] <maco> i'm one of the... *counts on fingers*... 5 ubuntu developers who are women
[22:10] <maco> because 5 is too small of a number!
[22:10] <James147> naomi_: to help increase the number of females conrabuting to opensource ^^
[22:10] <naomi_> Oh, lol.
[22:10] <James147> naomi_: ^^ and well computing in general :S
[22:10] <maco> no wait 6. there are 6. i forgot the one who's a debian developer too
[22:10] <naomi_> I'm interested in it. And trying to learn everything I can. I'd take classes if I could. :P
[22:11] <TheGentleman> genii-around, do I try killing this "frontend" process ?  by the way, i tried googling for it. Obviously it is a far too common word in computing and it is hard to find what i need
[22:11] <naomi_> BUt what use am I to this project? I'm a noob. :(
[22:11] <maco> join #ubuntu-women if you want to meet the other women who work on dev, support, artwork, documentation, publicity, etc.
[22:11] <TheGentleman> you seem to show good will naomi_ , and this counts a lot
[22:12] <IdleOne> and being a "noob" makes it easier on you and the rest of the team, no bad habits to break :)
[22:12] <maco> (of course, many would say they're "just users," but even telling people about this alternative operating system you're using is of course advocacy and therefore useful)
[22:12] <maco> ^_^
[22:13] <genii-around> TheGentleman: Does: ps aux| grep debconf           show a result?
[22:15] <TheGentleman> genii-around, here it is the output: http://pastebin.com/U1RiLF8T
[22:17] <genii-around> TheGentleman: I think the first one is likely the problem
[22:18] <genii-around> TheGentleman: So I suggest to: sudo kill 1395
[22:19] <TheGentleman> a radical solution...  hehehehe    Ok i will try
[22:19] <genii-around> Then to try the bot's : sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a
[22:20] <Daskreech> lazy unlock?
[22:24] <TheGentleman> genii-around,  frontend killed (and nor reappeared), bot's suggestion followed.... but again same result!  :(
[22:24] <gomiboy> TheGentleman: just to check: are you using the synaptic as normal user or with sudo?
[22:25] <TheGentleman> with sudo... but now i'm doing oll this in konsole with sudo
[22:26] <TheGentleman> I mean... using sudo before commands, surely not running konsole as supeuser!!!
[22:26] <genii-around> TheGentleman: Well, I'd suggest to try and kill the next one in the list then, and to repeat the other command again, see if same
[22:27] <gomiboy> why? i always have a root terminal open, it doesn't eat children :D
[22:28] <TheGentleman> well, I'm less experienced and more prone to type in wrong things...  ;-)
[22:28] <TheGentleman> so, just to be safe...
[22:28] <James147> gomiboy: running konsole as root? or bash as root? ^^ the first isnt needed and isnt advised
[22:29] <gomiboy> bash of course
[22:30] <genii-around> TheGentleman: Did you try the: sudo kill 1406     and bot's commands yet?
[22:30] <James147> :)
[22:31] <TheGentleman> not yet genii-around ...going to try
[22:31]  * genii-around goes to grab a coffee
[22:34]  * gomiboy shows his empty cup to genii-around and makes a fake sad face
[22:35]  * genii-around pours some nice strong Columbian coffee in gomiboy's cup
[22:35]  * gomiboy happy :D
[22:36] <genii-around> Darn, TheGentleman left. I was wanting to get to the bottom of that puzzler.
[22:38] <gomiboy> maybe he thins to be still on microsoft "reboot and retry" windows (tm) :P
[22:40] <genii-around> gomiboy: I dunno. He seemed like he was game to try and get under the hood to fix things.
[23:00] <TheGentleman> genii-around, I'm back and I'm really puzzled
[23:00] <genii-around> TheGentleman: Is it still complaining about the lock?
[23:00] <TheGentleman> first, I likely killed something too much and made the system frozen
[23:01] <TheGentleman> then after reboot it is exatcly the same as before
[23:01] <TheGentleman> frontend is still there...
[23:04] <Hamra> APT problems?
[23:04] <genii-around> TheGentleman: I suppose you can just remove everything in /var/cache/debconf  directory
[23:04] <TheGentleman> yes Hamra
[23:05] <Hamra> what exactly is the problem?
[23:05] <TheGentleman> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable
[23:05] <TheGentleman> of course there is no other application running that I know of
[23:06] <Hamra> the error is shown by whom? apt-get? or some frontend?
[23:06] <TheGentleman> i can pastebin everything if you like....  but with genii-around we already tried everything that came to mind
[23:07] <TheGentleman> Hamra, both: it appeared using synaptic, but now also from konsole
[23:07] <TheGentleman> ...obviously
[23:08] <Hamra> is the file readable? did you try opening it with a text editor... maybe it' corrupt
[23:08] <TheGentleman> it's size is 0
[23:09] <Hamra> if you do "nano /var/cache/debconf/config.dat", does it say "input/output error"?
[23:11] <TheGentleman> Hamra, sorry!! it is not 0 now... it was before I rebooted
[23:11] <Hamra> how big is it? and did you try opening it with a text editor?
[23:12] <TheGentleman> well, as said it was empty before, and now yes, i can open it
[23:12] <Hamra> and there's valid text in it... hmmm
[23:12] <Hamra> and apt is still complaining?
[23:13] <TheGentleman> let me try again
[23:14] <TheGentleman> yes, it reports it as locked when issueing sudo dpkg --configure -a
[23:15] <Hamra> does "ls -a /var/cache/debconf/" show any lock files?
[23:15]  * genii-around thinks this could be https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debconf/+bug/349469
[23:17] <TheGentleman> Hamra,  franz@franz-Easy-Note-MX51:~$ ls -a /var/cache/debconf/
[23:17] <TheGentleman> .   config.dat      passwords.dat  templates.dat-old
[23:17] <TheGentleman> ..  config.dat-old  templates.dat
[23:18] <TheGentleman> having a look at the bug.... will be back in minutes
[23:19] <Hamra> they suggested "fuser -v /var/cache/debconf/config.dat"
[23:19] <Hamra> to see which program is culprit
[23:19] <TheGentleman> i tried it before... will redo now
[23:20] <TheGentleman> Hamra, fuser -v /var/cache/debconf/config.dat gives no response
[23:21] <Hamra> sudo rm -f sudo rm -rf /var/cache/debconf/* && sudo apt-get install -f
[23:22] <Hamra> oops
[23:22] <Hamra> sudo rm -rf /var/cache/debconf/* && sudo apt-get install -f
[23:22]  * genii-around hands out more coffees
[23:23] <Hamra> i am sorry, first one is... mmm.... coffee
[23:23]  * ScorpKing grabs a cup..
[23:23] <TheGentleman> thanks...
[23:23] <TheGentleman> ok, trying
[23:24] <TheGentleman> wow!!!
[23:24] <TheGentleman>  it worked
[23:24] <TheGentleman> and the installation completed
[23:25] <Hamra> the file wasnt locked, it was just corupt for some reason :)
[23:25] <TheGentleman> ah, ok
[23:25] <genii-around> Interesting.
[23:26] <TheGentleman> well, i am pretty sure that sometimes computers like to write things in files by themselves
[23:27] <TheGentleman> my first experience with such a behavior was back in the '80ies on Win 3.11 machine
[23:28] <genii-around> I suppose something like copying the .dat-old files to .dat may have worked as well
[23:29] <TheGentleman> yup
[23:29] <TheGentleman>  well, I guess I shall thank you Hamra and genii-around
[23:29] <TheGentleman> for your kind assistance
[23:30] <Hamra> you're welcome
[23:31] <genii-around> TheGentleman: What they said :)
[23:31] <TheGentleman> :)
[23:32] <TheGentleman> ok, now i need to discover about mic malfunctions... but this is another story and will follow tomorrow.  LOL
[23:32] <TheGentleman>  bye and thanks again
[23:58] <agnese> helo everyone 8) i have a little problem: i was videochatting with skype and using blender at the same time. The computer totally freezed and didn't respond to any command, so i forcet the shutdown. once i start up it all skype wasn't able to connecting: it took was like loading the connection but not work. so i tried to unistall and reinstal in KPackageKit, but! 8( when i was in order to reinstall it gave me this error "Package skype is virtual and has no
[23:58] <agnese> installation candidate"... any clue about what i mess it up?