[01:55] doctormo: I love your little use non-free flash but support gnash with money badge :) [01:55] thanks pleia2, it's a really hard message to get out there you know. [01:56] once it's a true statement for me I'll be sure to add it to my blog [01:56] (out of $$$ at the moment for donations, but maybe next month!) [02:01] pleia2: That's great news :-) the plan is to complete the flash vm, which is the missing piece of flash 10 support that allows most of the animations and tricky swf executions. [02:01] I believe one of the other flash projects is working on it too, but I'm not sure how good the ability to merge it all together will be. [02:01] ah, cool [02:02] I met Rob at the last UDS (we were on the same plane over the atlantic) but I have to admit not knowing a whole lot about the project [02:02] err, the last UDS I was at :) [02:02] 10.04? [02:02] 10.10, brussels [02:06] pleia2: I actually think I might try my hand at doing some Fedora development for GC, I think it needs to go git and perhaps incorporate gnome projects. But I'm still pondering it. [02:06] But that rules out future UDS's [02:06] GC? [02:11] pleia2: sorry, ground control. the development tool. [02:12] oh yes :) [04:09] good morning [06:52] Aloha [07:49] good morning [07:49] Yes! It is! [07:49] * popey goes back to sleep [07:49] * dholbach hugs popey :) [08:10] Technoviking, thanks a lot [08:33] good morning all [08:34] hey dpm [08:34] hey dholbach! [09:06] dpm: dholbach morning folks [09:07] hey kim0, good morning! [09:31] hey kim0 [09:55] how are we all doing today ? [09:56] morning folks [09:58] We're doing great :) [09:58] * kim0 enjoying golden sun rays [09:58] czajkowski: Morning o/ [09:58] nigelb: hey man [09:59] kim0: golden sun rays here too [09:59] My work day is done today. [09:59] * nigelb shutting own to go watch the cricket match [09:59] awesome hehe [09:59] *down [10:00] kim0: ohhh nice [10:00] no sunshine here today, bit cloudy, but at least it's not raining [10:00] :) [10:01] nigelb: my indian co-workers are now happy because I have setup a proxy through which they can watch cricket :) [10:01] popey: they'll all bow down and worship you today :p [10:01] heh [10:02] he's "quite happy" [10:02] he has a ticket for some cricket match at the weekend [10:02] cost him £200 [10:02] whoah. [10:02] apparently they're going for 100x that [10:02] he's flying out, watching then flying back [10:02] Wait, weekend? [10:02] o.O [10:02] popey: That IS the final! [10:03] yeah [10:03] Sri lanka vs who ever wins this one [10:03] (not a cricket expert) [10:03] <- [10:03] I like your indifference, 'he got tickets for some cricket matach at the weekend' [10:04] ok the ducks outside on the canal are loud this morning ! [10:05] i dont really follow any sport [10:05] can you tell? :D [10:05] I don't much. [10:05] RUGBY!!!!! [10:05] But india vs Pakistan, any sport is awesome to wwatch. [10:06] sociable sport to watch even if you don't follow any [10:06] Rugby is like taking the red and yellow card rules out of football (at least in my head) [10:08] bah, twitter stream has got every bit of the match several times over. Now I know who types faster. [10:12] haha, /64 [10:12] bah [10:15] morning everyone [10:15] nigelb, don't say that with czajkowski or me around :) [10:18] (I mean for the rugby rules) [10:22] huats: hehe [10:29] meh, rugby is just a poor mans aussie rules :P [10:29] yeah we have hurling :) [10:29] clash of the ash :D === daker_ is now known as daker [10:49] nigelb, India Vs PK semi final Worldcup Oh!! [10:52] daker: yup :D [10:53] so PK will win e_e [10:55] grr :p [11:15] talking about variations on football (soccer for US'ians), the craziest football game I ever saw was in the Landaise region in France, where the yearly summer festivities included playing football in an area where also a bull was running around :P [11:16] :-/ football(soccer) is tough enough(I used to play) without a bull also skipping about. [11:18] JFo: it was more for fun than anything else of course, they also did other stuff with (a) bull(s) in the arena [11:19] like they made some sort of pool, filled it with water and trouts, and you could take home all the trouts you could take out of the pool and then out of the arena [11:20] of course the bulls didn't just let you take them without running after you... [11:20] we stayed safely on our seats outside of the arena BTW :P [11:21] I guess most of the people in the arena were local farm boys, used to work with cattle... [11:25] JFo: some football teams could learn team play by participating in such an event though, as running around on your own without others to distract the bull isn't going to work... :-) [11:27] good point [11:27] "bull" "skipping" [11:28] this is an image I had not had before [11:28] but now I do [11:28] heh [11:28] thank you JFo [11:28] you can thank bugs bunny for my having it [11:28] JanC, I'd have been with you 'observing' [11:28] popey, you are welcome [11:28] :) [11:28] My coworker keeps cheering [11:29] he has his headphones on [11:29] (indian co-worker) [11:29] In other news. We (UUPC) are doing a silly little quiz in some episodes, just for fun, between the people presenting the show... [11:30] We're doing "Family Fortunes" (Family Feud in the USA?) and need more people to answer some questions we have set [11:30] However I am not allowed to see them because I am playing... [11:30] http://tinyurl.com/uupcfortunes [11:30] ^^^ please click that and answer questions as best you can [11:30] pls don't google or tell me anything about the questions, thanks :D [11:31] *grin* it's better this way [11:31] I'm going to enjoy listening to this show :) [11:31] two of the guys at work have filled it in [11:36] morning all [11:43] popey: We're doing alright so far :D [11:43] office watching twitter + live stream [11:45] Two guys here.. they have one pair of headphones stretched between them, one ear each. Reminds me of 12 year old girls on the bus listening to a shared ipod :) [11:46] awwwwwww [11:46] cute [11:46] :) [11:47] * popey takes a pic without them noticing [11:48] lol [11:52] popey: twitpic? [11:53] nah :) === daker_ is now known as daker [15:28] czajkowski, I'm caught up with AW now...and yes that is pretty close to the way it is... [15:29] akgraner: :( [15:29] akgraner: that was a really sad episode [15:30] it's sad anytime that happens...and did you notice the mom got the flag...Pete was getting ready to deploy and I was like no way you deploy with us being married...I want the flag...:-) [15:31] akgraner: right so daft question time [15:31] akgraner: why is there a flag handed over? [15:31] what are you expected to do with it ? [15:31] no daft questions... [15:31] * JFo remembers doing caisson detail [15:31] JFo: caisson ? [15:32] its a gift from a grateful nation in honor [15:32] ah ok [15:33] sorry, wrong word actually, but I am having trouble finding it [15:34] czajkowski, it is where a military unit is deployed to do burial honors [15:34] the 21 gun salute [15:34] flag folding, etc. [15:34] JFo: ah ok, thanks [15:34] sorry about the confusion [15:34] akgraner: it's a really good show though. [15:34] JFo: dont be, I just watch the show and then army questions get fielded to akgraner usually to explain [15:35] works for me :) [15:35] akgraner: kind gutted they killed him off tbh :( [15:35] hmmm, apparently it is the right word, the definition I found for it was wrong [16:00] hey jono [16:01] have I toooold you latelyyy that I looooove you? [16:01] :) [16:01] oh do we have a call? [16:01] * JFo sings poorly [16:01] I blame the coffee [16:01] oh, thanks JFo, I feel touched :) [16:02] dpm :-D [16:02] * nigelb hugs JFo [16:02] me hugs nigelb :) [16:02] slash fail [16:02] :) [16:03] dholbach, dpm, jcastro, kim0 ok logging on now [16:03] aye aye [16:07] jono, can you add call/conversation with me to your today list today or tomorrow? please and thank you..:-D [16:09] akgraner, sure, let me check my schedule [16:10] jfo I'm setting up the presonus mic and mixing board today can you possibly to a test call tonight or tomorrow before I leave for texas friday? would you have time? [16:10] jono, thanks! [16:10] akgraner, absolutely [16:10] just let me know when [16:11] akgraner / JFo: When do we get next episode? [16:11] nigelb, you mean the first episode? It is called "Failure to Communicate" after all ;-P [16:11] nigelb, that's what we are working on... [16:14] JFo: lol [16:14] :) [16:30] now more people are awake here.... [16:30] 11:30:29 < popey> http://tinyurl.com/uupcfortunes [16:30] 11:30:37 < popey> ^^^ please click that and answer questions as best you can [17:11] popey: are we going for mainstream or hipster? [17:11] maybe also need to mention: pls don't google or tell me anything about the questions, thanks :D [17:11] ;) [17:13] popey: done :P [17:14] ok, everyone, time to call it a day [17:14] have a great rest of the day and see you tomorrow! [17:28] * czajkowski hugs jcastro [17:28] classic naming :D YAY! [17:40] ok my friends - calling it a day - see you all tomorrow [17:40] * dholbach hugs you all [18:19] * nigelb does happy dance [18:20] Suddenly there's a whole lot of firecrackers and cheering crowd in my street :) [18:23] from that I deduce that one of two things is happening... 1) your government is being overthrown or 2) you guys won the cricket game. :-) [18:24] We won :D [18:24] heh, I figured :-P [18:24] Its like some festival out in the street \o. [18:24] \o/ [18:25] me and my bad comedy :) [18:25] overthrowing governments is so In [18:25] apparently [18:25] everybody is doing it [18:25] [18:25] :) [18:26] buhahaha [18:27] :-D [18:27] JFo: i saw graffiti in DC that said "revolt like an egyptian" .. i think it was a DC Statehood thing [18:28] oh that is a great slogan [18:28] * JFo sees a remix of Walk Like an Egyptian [18:28] in the future [18:29] the street is full of people dancing \o/ [18:29] or rather ~0~ [18:29] yeah, it was a DC Statehood thing [18:30] i took a pic and it says "Statehood Now" under the "revolt like an egyptian" [18:31] :D\-< [18:31] :D|-< [18:31] :D/-< [18:38] jono which is the official facebook page for ubuntu? [18:38] akgraner, fb.com/ubuntulinux [18:38] and does ubuntu have an official twitter/identi.ca accounf [18:38] account [18:38] ubuntudev does I think [18:39] thanks...last minute details I need to add to this chapter.. [18:39] akgraner: there's also ubuntutranslations.. something [18:40] hmmm I'll use ubuntudev - that's the one where we announce important stuff right? [18:41] Its like one with dholbach, one with dpm, and one with kim0 :) [18:41] i am so happy i got gwibber working again. it had been awhile since I was in the world of tweets and dents [18:41] duanedesign: there's new secret twitter client [18:42] duanedesign: I can tell you about it, but AlanBell and I will have to kill you :p [18:42] nigelb: alans? [18:42] haha [18:42] It uses streaming API [18:42] So its blazing fast [18:42] i saw a bug for gwibber to have that streaming API [18:43] :) [18:43] * duanedesign wonders does diaspora have an API? [18:44] guess i could look instead of just wondering :P [18:46] nigelb: what gwibber client do you use on KDE? [18:46] * duanedesign just tried to tab complete gwibber [18:47] have i gotten so attached to the app I think it is a person... [18:48] duanedesign: I have an app on the plasma thingy [18:49] duanedesign: any more people you know with cool app ideas? [18:49] duanedesign: I'm looking for more help with lightning talks [18:50] hmm. I do not think nuBoon2age is still working on Wifix.. [18:52] actually i might. Fellow who helped me a bit on CLI COmpanion is working on a new app. https://launchpad.net/as [18:52] duanedesign: awesome, thanks :) [18:54] we have a ton of new folks jjoining the beginners Team interested in development [18:56] w00t [18:56] I am organizing a group who all want to be MOTU. As much as it is possible have them work through the process together. [18:56] nigelb: what's that twitter client thingie [18:57] hello kim0 [18:57] kim0: A twitter client that's blazing fast! [18:57] kim0: let me try to get the link alan pasted here a few days back [18:57] nigelb: i did not see it on his launchpad page [18:57] kim0: did you go to Uni in egypt? [18:58] duanedesign: howdy [18:58] duanedesign: yeah sure thing .. what do you wanna know [18:58] nigelb: thanks man [18:58] kim0: i was just listening to the reports about the protests calling for the resignation of some of the Deans [18:58] duanedesign: yeah that's happening [18:59] kim0: i guess Mubarik being gone is one thing. Getting rid of the sytems and people he put in place is another [18:59] duanedesign: you see, all deans had to get state security approval first to ensure they were loyal to the old regime (sic) [18:59] Mubarak* [18:59] duanedesign: yes, you're reading that right .. [18:59] kim0: ahhh [18:59] kim0: http://blip.tv/file/4904015?filename=Alanbell-CircleOfFriendsTheTwitterClient799.ogv [19:00] duanedesign: we're taking them down one by one [19:00] long road ahead indeed ;) [19:00] kim0: it was on NPR this morning. [19:00] nigelb: thanks man! [19:00] kim0: np :) [19:02] anyone know alternative way of watching ustream? [19:02] MeanEYE: are you working on any apps lately? [19:02] off for lunch have a good afternoon friends o/ [19:03] Many :) [19:03] Why? [19:03] MeanEYE: w00t, can I PM you? [19:03] sure [19:05] Gah, Flash really did it this time. I think I'll remove it one and for all. === daker is now known as daker_ [19:12] Do the membership boards have mailing lists? [19:12] yes [19:12] and if so I must be blind b/c I don't see them on the wiki [19:12] grrrr [19:13] nigelb, do you know what they are for each board...or do you have a link to them...I don't think I am seeing the forest for the trees today...you if it was a snake it would have bit ya kinda thing... [19:14] akgraner: yep, lookin :) [19:14] ubuntu-membership-board-americas ubuntu-membership-board-asia-oceania ubuntu-membership-board-emea@lists.ubuntu.com [19:14] I'm looking here - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/Americas [19:14] we should add them to the wiki pages though [19:14] there you go [19:14] ahh thanks pleia2 but where is that listed? [19:14] I had to ask someone for those and had those in my email ID :p [19:14] akgraner: It isn't. anywhere. [19:14] they aren't listed [19:14] whew - I thought I was losing my mind [19:15] * nigelb hugs akgraner [19:15] * pleia2 adds to todo list [19:15] akgraner: your book is making my todo list long! ;) [19:16] (actually I'm happy about this, all these things really need to be documented better) [19:16] oh and developer-membership-board [19:17] yep..:-) [19:17] I took your suggestion pleia2 and added something about all councils and boards [19:17] great :) [19:22] nigelb, ubuntu user day wiki page? do you have the link handy [19:23] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays [19:23] akgraner: ^^ [19:23] ahh no Ubuntu in front of it :-) [19:24] nope :D [19:32] Oh, I love how my name looks on Ubuntu Wiki. Must be something with those colors. :) Thanks nigelb <3 [19:32] heh [19:32] Yeah, I didn't link you to anything :) [19:33] Hm, well you can if you wish. To a launchpad or google profile. :) [19:34] Give me you lauchpad profile then, so its all uniform :) [19:34] Let me get it :D [19:34] https://launchpad.net/~meaneye-rcf [19:35] <--- out to lunch [19:36] :) have a good one jcastro [19:36] MeanEYE: done [19:36] My refresh-fu is good. Saw it already. Thank you! [19:37] :) [19:39] Does Ubuntu work on kernel patches? [19:39] Yes. [19:40] JFo: ^^ He's all yours :P [19:40] Do those patches end upstream? Since I saw some stats and Canonical was no where to be found. [19:40] So either the number of patches is not that great to get you in that list or none of them are sent upstream. [19:40] nigelb, :-) [19:41] MeanEYE, they do. [19:41] Oh, ok. :) [19:41] the difficulty is that in a lot of cases upstream only counts them as individual contributions [19:42] there are other politics at play too though :) [19:42] Oh ok. [19:45] MeanEYE, for more detail, you can probably ask in #ubuntu-kernel [19:48] Naah, no need. It's just the thing that ticled my mind. Last night I watched a video from 2007 (I think) where Greg Kroah Hartman talked about some kernel development. And he mentioned Ubuntu being #300 on the list of contributors. But that's an old video I guess. [19:58] off to bed, laters all. [19:59] Have fuN! [20:07] kim0: it now works for user tweets [20:08] by which I mean it follows all the people you follow [20:08] AlanBell: awesome .. I've seen the vid .. interesting :) [20:08] it is amazingly responsive [20:09] I had the twitter web client on one monitor and the circleoffriends app on the laptop screen next to the monitor, I tweeted something using the web app and by the time my eyes moved to the laptop screen the tweet was there! [20:12] AlanBell: great job! [20:14] AlanBell: In what language is that software made? [20:15] python [20:15] with GTK? [20:15] indeed [20:15] using the quickly framework [20:15] and the tweepy library (which was broken and I unbroke it today) [20:16] Oh, ok. Can you point me to some screen shots :) or something? [20:16] I need to unbreak tweepy in a less hackish way then I will put it on Launchpad [20:16] Oh ok. [20:16] at the moment it won't run on any machine but mine [20:17] MeanEYE: when i submitted a kernel patch, i sent it to upstream before anyone on the kernel team got a chance to roll up things-that-should-go-upstream. assuming that happens quite a bit...thatd do something to stats [20:19] maco: Yeah, my guess would be they make stats by looking at hosts in your email. So if you didn't send from Ubuntu email then that didng get into Ubuntu count. [20:19] MeanEYE: if you dont have a corporate email address, greg emails and asks who you work for [20:19] Yes, I know that. [20:20] I don't know, just found it strange that ubuntu is most popular distro and it ended on #300. [20:20] i have no idea if i mentioned in my reply to him that it was originally a patch in ubuntu [20:26] MeanEYE: I think it's more a matter of Ubuntu not messing around with the kernel all that much [20:28] companies focused on teh datacenter, like RedHat, will end up doing more kernel-level development than user-focused distros like Ubuntu [20:28] likewise, hardware makers like Intel will be doing a significant amount in the kernel [20:28] If I remember correctly. Canonical has server versions as well, and tech support also. [20:28] well Red Hat does employ upstream kernel developers as well... [20:29] yes, but they're still ramping up Ubuntu Server, and they're not building huge datacenters and supporting exotic hardware that I know of [20:29] MeanEYE: what's more popular? RHEL or Ubuntu Server? [20:29] I don't think the amount of contribution can be measured just in patch numbers but it would be great to see Canoical up there in the list. [20:29] if anything, Ubuntu's kernel contributions are more likely going to come from it's ARM focus [20:29] thats a fair point mhall119 [20:29] and those will show up as linaro. :) [20:30] ooh yeah [20:30] jcastro: I was just typing that ;) [20:31] I think they will come from the hardware enablement team... [20:31] but that's just my two cents [20:33] I wonder if patches from the Dell/Ubuntu partnership count as coming from Dell or Canonical [20:33] Well, they arange stats according to email domains. [20:34] So that depends I guess. [20:35] bottom line is that the number of lines of code you submit you the kernel isn't a measure of anything more than the number of lines of code you've submitted to the kernel [20:35] anything else is just people reading into it what they want to read into it [20:35] According to Gregs statistics in 2008 Canonical has 6 patches in total. :/ [20:36] Microsoft has more kernel patches than that. It's a shame. [20:36] why is it a shame? [20:36] should Canonical be making massive amounts of changes to the kernel? [20:36] oh this conversation seems trollish [20:37] It's not about massive changes but if you base your business on something it makes sense to work on that thing to make it better. [20:37] Am not trolling, just saying it would be nice to see Canonical up there in contributors list. [20:37] MeanEYE: what if it's the base of your business because it already does what you need it to do? [20:37] That's one way of looking at it. [20:37] that's like saying if your building is good for your business, you should be constantly renovating it [20:38] And that's true as well. :) [20:38] MeanEYE, thats exactly the way we look at it, we CHOOSE to invest in the desktop and other areas, the kernel works well enough for our current needs [20:38] if Canonical doesn't _need_ any changes made to the kernel, then why _should_ they be making any? [20:39] Isn't that then being selfish. Just taking and using without contributing back? Isn't that the whole meaning of Ubuntu? [20:39] MeanEYE: open source isn't about being self-sacrificing [20:39] I never said that. Please don't put words in my mouth. [20:39] MeanEYE: how many patches do you have in the kernel? Is that you being selfish? [20:40] no, of course not [20:40] MeanEYE, there are more way to contribute than just writing kernel code, Ubuntu tests more kernel code, and exposes it to more users than any disto, that is a HUGE contribution [20:41] pgraner: and if you read one of the lines I wrote I said just that: you can't measure contribution by the number of patches. I also said it would be nice to see Canonical in contributors list. [20:41] Am not blaming anything on anyone, but aparently we are starting to behave a bit fanatical about subjects. [20:41] MeanEYE, have you run a gitlog and counted the ubuntu/canonical patches since Greg was ranting? [20:41] MeanEYE, no you are starting to troll [20:41] I didn't. Might be a good idea. [20:42] this is a conversation that would be better off on identi.ca [20:42] MeanEYE: while you're at it, compare quality of the code, usefulness of the code, the number of people it will benefit, etc. [20:42] It's not my attention to troll. Might look like it, but I don't feel like trolling. Asked a simple question, it was answered and then ppl picked it up. [20:42] MeanEYE, you will see a steady uptick in the no of patches submitted, that is right now over 300% from when greg bitched the first time [20:44] MeanEYE, and thats year over year figures, while I would love my team to write nothing but upstream code that is not where we best server ubuntu users, we spend most of our time bringing in open source drivers that upstream won't touch like select /staging drivers and make them available so things "just work" [20:45] Is there a reason they won't touch drivers you write? [20:45] MeanEYE, we don't write them, they are very immature or poorly written drivers that are in the /staging directory of the kernel tree [20:46] Oh, sorry, I misunderstood. [20:46] MeanEYE, we stabilize them so hardware will work, all changes we make go back upstream at the end of the dev cycle [20:46] <3 [20:46] Great. :) [20:47] MeanEYE, you really need to check your facts about contribution before you say "ubuntu kernel does not contribute", because its way more than writing code [20:47] (that we recognise non-code contributions as valuable is one of the very nice things about ubuntu) [20:47] +1 maco [20:47] I didn't really say that. I said Greg said that in video from 2007-2008. [20:48] MeanEYE, what year is it? [20:48] MeanEYE, like today? [20:48] * pgraner thinks 2011 [20:48] * maco fetches the TARDIS [20:48] Why are you blaming me? Can you please read logs? [20:48] MeanEYE: when you repeat something someone else says, it's effectively you saying it too [20:49] No it's not. And go read the logs, I said I've read some stats and canonical is not there then I asked if patches end upstream. [20:49] And please stop putting the damn words in my mounth and read what I've siad! [20:50]