GrueMasterThe issue is that I seem to have this same discussion with each test release.  It gets very old and tiresome.00:00
cjwatsons/The/An/ :-)00:00
cjwatson(I have a perhaps semi-independent set of issues)00:00
cjwatsonif there are hardcoded paths that actually aren't working, BTW, feel free to ask me - I may well be able to patch things up with redirects00:01
cjwatsonas a stopgap00:01
GrueMasterWell, I need to focus on actually testing these images.  Unfortunately, I don't have the luxury of a larger user base for testing nor do I have the ability to automate in a vm.00:01
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cprofittwhere do I log any tests I do?00:35
charlie-tcacprofitt: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/00:55
cprofittfound it finally charlie-tca00:56
cprofittthe wiki has some dead ends right now00:56
charlie-tcawhich ones?00:57
cprofittI can get a list to you in a bit00:57
cprofittI am trying to get the bios of my ThinkPad updated for the test00:57
charlie-tcaoh, yeah, I think a few things got moved :-)00:57
charlie-tcaI blew out a network card changing keyboards and adding the KVM switch00:58
cprofittgah... I need a floppy disk to get the bios updated...01:03
cprofittand Windows01:03
cprofittLenovo... curse you.01:03
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cprofittcharlie-tca: are we supposed to do any of the non-english tests at this point?01:58
charlie-tcaIf you are able to, yes. We will need to have them done too01:59
charlie-tcaThey are once only tests, so if someone did them, they don't need redoing. The other tests need 5 each if we can get it02:00
cprofittno one did one yet... so I will do one in German02:00
cprofittthen I need to do the install02:00
cprofittI got the live CD working, but it took effort due to Lenovo using Windows only bios updater02:01
charlie-tcaI really don't like those things, especia02:07
cprofittyeah... and Lenovo is usually good about that02:07
charlie-tcally when the first thing I do is get rid of windoiws02:07
charlie-tcanew keyboard is still learning letters02:07
charlie-tcaA nice, mechanical keypress with trackball built in.02:09
charlie-tcaBut they squashed it just a little bit to fit everything and only be about 1 inch bigger than a normal keyboard02:09
cprofittcharlie-tca: the no-internet non-english failed02:37
cprofittis it sufficient to fail the test or does a bug need to be opened as well?02:37
cjwatsonthere's no point failing a test without filing a bug02:38
cjwatson(or linking to an existing bug)02:38
cjwatsonwe aren't going to magically fix problems without bug reports :)02:38
cprofittcjwatson: what package would a bug be reported in for that test scenario? Is there one for localization?02:39
charlie-tcawhat part fails?02:40
charlie-tcadoes it not install, or it installed and then won't boot or ??02:40
cprofittwell... the slides are not all in the foreign language and I was not prompted that my language support is not complete02:40
cprofittthat test case02:41
charlie-tcaslides are ubuntu-bug .02:41
charlie-tcagive me a minute02:41
charlie-tcaubuntu-bug ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu02:43
charlie-tcawhile at the live desktop02:43
charlie-tcathe other one is filed already02:44
charlie-tcacjwatson: do we need bugs for each language that is incomplete?02:44
cprofittyeah -- there is a bug for that issue in Spanish already02:44
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charlie-tcajust use that bug number in the tracker then02:45
cprofitteven though it is a different language?02:45
charlie-tcayou can comment on that report that is it is valid for german too02:46
cprofittand what package would the lack of a prompt go under?02:46
cjwatsoncharlie-tca: oh goodness no02:47
cprofittnot sure... I am supposed to get a warning about the language support not being complete, but got no such pop-up02:47
cjwatsonthere's already a bug for that somewhere02:47
cjwatsonlook on the tracker index, it's around somewhere02:47
cprofittI did the installation twice just to make sure02:47
charlie-tcayes, now that you mention it, there is02:48
cjwatsondefinitely not indicator-notifications02:48
cjwatsonanything in that stack only displays notifications, it doesn't decide which notifications to generate02:48
charlie-tcathanks. That was definitely wrong.02:48
charlie-tcamust be tired02:48
cjwatsoncomment on that report> actually it would be best not to end up with a huge pile of comments saying that it's valid for one language after another :-)02:49
charlie-tcaIsn't there already a bug for the missing notice, along with the language being inclo02:49
cprofittcharlie-tca: looking now02:49
cjwatsonmost bugs of this form happen for either all non-English languages, or for all languages shipped on the CD, or for all languages not shipped on the CD02:49
charlie-tcahm, at least when I am wrong, I am very wrong :-(02:50
ubot4`Launchpad bug 745069 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Not all language packages are downloaded during installtion (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]02:51
cprofittthat fits also02:51
charlie-tcathat will make language support incomplete, too02:53
cprofittso if he goes to the selector he got the pop-up but not an automatic pop-up02:53
cjwatsonyes, ubiquity is the thing that makes the automatic notification happen02:54
charlie-tcaRight, makes it hard to know without going to the selector whether or not it is complete02:54
cjwatsonif it's getting language pack installation wrong, chances are it will also fail to get the notification right02:54
* cprofitt nods02:54
cprofittmakes sense02:54
cprofittI can definately show folks how to do this when we get to the global jam now02:56
cprofittthe hardest part is knowing what packages to report the bugs under02:57
cprofittthanks for the assist charlie-tca and cjwatson02:57
charlie-tcano problem02:58
charlie-tcaIt is good we have cjwatson to keep me straight!02:58
cprofittI will try to get another test in tonight as well02:58
cprofittthe auto-resize -- can I do two 11.04 installs side by side or should I reinstall 10.10?03:02
cprofittI am assuming I can go with two 11.04, but thought I should ask03:02
charlie-tcatwo of anything side by side is valid03:10
charlie-tcaso, yes, two 11.04 is okay03:11
charlie-tcaI normally do a whole disk install, then the auto-resize of that disk03:11
* cprofitt nods03:11
charlie-tcacprofitt: you okay now? I got to change my network card that quit working today03:55
cprofittcharlie-tca: I am good03:55
charlie-tcaThanks for helping with the tests.03:56
cprofittno problem03:56
cprofittwanted to help... just had to wait a while to do so03:56
charlie-tcaHelp is always nice to see.03:57
cprofittI will try to teach some more in NY to help too03:58
charlie-tcaWe will be testing all night, all day tomorrow, and then until we finish03:58
cprofittThis weekend we are involved in the global jam03:58
charlie-tcathis is our "how go03:59
charlie-tcaes it" chart - http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/testcases03:59
charlie-tcathis keyboard is going to take a while to learn how to type again.04:00
charlie-tcaI will be back in about 10 hours to run some tests04:01
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skaet_jibel_, could you look into adding Kubuntu Desktop Arm (omap4) to the iso tracker.   Image available is 20110330.06:08
* skaet_ didn't have it on the list of images to be tested, trying to remember why its was dropped. :P06:40
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jibelskaet_afk, I added Kubuntu Desktop ARM (omap4) but there's no link to a testcase (the one for omap is wrong) and the tracker generates a wrong link to the image08:12
jibelhi all,11:12
jibelany tester for kubuntu ?11:12
chadadavisI signed up to test kubuntu on mac, but underestimated how difficult things are on mac. If you need amd64 tests (w/o mac), I might prefer that. What are the priorities at the moment?11:14
jibelchadadavis, it would be good to have few test cases done for Kubuntu Desktop amd64+mac like a live session and an installation.11:18
chadadavisjibel, OK, I'll at least get the basics covered for kubuntu on mac11:19
jibeland kubuntu alternate too11:19
jibelchadadavis, we need to ensure that the image is good and ideally all the mandatory testcases done.11:21
chadadavisjibel, sounds good, I'm working on it.11:24
jibelchadadavis, great! thanks11:33
pedro_is ok to test kubuntu alt i386? or there's a respin coming?12:13
pedro_good morning btw :-)12:13
cjwatsonthe only planned respins I know of at the moment are armel+omap412:17
pedro_ok thanks, doing kubuntu alt i386 then12:18
jibelHere are the images that are completely untested:13:05
jibelEdubuntu DVD amd6413:05
jibelEdubuntu DVD i38613:05
jibelKubuntu Alternate amd64+mac13:05
jibelKubuntu DVD amd6413:06
jibelKubuntu Mobile i38613:06
jibelNetboot amd6413:06
jibelNetboot i38613:06
jibelUpgrade Edubuntu amd6413:06
jibelUpgrade Edubuntu i38613:06
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zakamehi hi13:53
charlie-tcaGood morning14:13
jibelgood morning charlie-tca14:21
charlie-tcaThanks for doing the tests, jibel14:27
pedro_Riddell, hello, is the ubiquity install on kubuntu dvd working fine for you?14:41
pedro_when i click the install kubuntu icon on the live session i don't get any ubiquity window and the session is restarted14:42
Riddellpedro_: I'm doing kubuntu amd64 DVD just now, clicked Try Kubuntu to get to the live session then ran the installer, worked fine14:47
Riddellpedro_: I can try the Install Kubuntu directly option next14:47
Riddellpedro_: anything in the logs?14:48
pedro_Haven't tried that option yet, will do it14:48
pedro_haven't check the logs, i just want to confirm if the issue is there or if my virtualbox is doing crazy things14:48
jibelcharlie-tca, you're welcome14:55
jibelpedro_, kubuntu dvd i386 works fine here.15:05
Riddellpedro_: ubiquity starts fine from kubuntu amd64 DVD Install Kubuntu option here15:13
pedro_jibel, Riddell must be my setup then, will re create the image, thanks!15:21
cjwatsonpedro_: seems like the sort of thing that could result from not giving the VM enough memory?15:31
pedro_could be, i'm giving 512mb to it , but i'll increase that to test if that's the case15:32
jibelpedro_, you should give more than 750MB.15:36
pedro_i'm giving it 1GB15:39
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pedro_i had to recreate the VM, now it's working fine16:00
* pedro_ kicks Virtualbox16:00
jibelcharlie-tca, Install (Screen Reader) is not covered on u-desktop amd64/i386. Can you get someone from the a11y to give it a try ?16:06
charlie-tcaI will get them both16:07
charlie-tcaThey are on my list, as soon as I free a machine up16:07
charlie-tcathey should be good, I ran them a day or two ago16:08
jibelcharlie-tca, great, nobody from the a11y team can help you? Since you wrote the testcase you're unlikely to find bugs.16:08
charlie-tcaI haven't been able to raise help yet. I will ask again16:09
jibelto all, the following images are still untested:16:10
jibelEdubuntu DVD amd6416:10
jibelEdubuntu DVD i38616:10
jibelKubuntu Alternate amd64+mac16:10
jibelKubuntu Mobile i38616:10
jibelUpgrade Edubuntu amd6416:10
jibelUpgrade Edubuntu i38616:10
jibelstgraber, any chance to test edubuntu by eod ?16:11
chadadavisI'm planning on doing Kubuntu Alternate amd64+mac16:12
stgraberjibel: let me go nag highvoltage in person ;)16:12
stgraberjibel: he said "it's planned", just waiting for our VM server here to be slightly less busy and he'll start installing maverick and upgrading16:14
stgraberjibel: should hopefully be done by EOD US eastern time16:15
charlie-tcajibel: AlanBell will run the screen-reader tests16:17
jibelAwesome! thanks stgraber and charlie-tca16:18
charlie-tcaYou are welcome16:19
jibelpatdk-wk, Patrickdk , will you be able to try iscsi ?16:19
patdk-wkI never got an email :(16:21
patdk-wkmaybe in about 8hours, jsut a busy day :(16:22
jibelpatdk-wk, argh, sorry about that. if everything goes well, the beta will be released tomorrow (03/31) so if you can test before that's great.16:24
jibelbtw, I created a mailing list to send the annoucement on https://launchpad.net/~iso-testers16:24
jibelyou can subscribe to the tests you're interested in as well.16:25
patdk-wkI'm pretty sure I did16:25
patdk-wkor I did on the two places I was told to :)16:25
jibelpatdk-wk, looks like a bug in the tracker, I can see subscription to mandatory testcases only.16:27
patdk-wkheh :(16:30
patdk-wkI thought zsync was suppost to be so much faster :(, 90min ETA16:30
patdk-wkhave to go to bank, guess it will be done when I get back, and might get a few min to try it16:31
patdk-wkso the usual needs tested, jeos+esx, iscsi, raid116:32
charlie-tcajibel: xubuntu done except wubi, what would you like me to do next?16:40
jibelcharlie-tca, run once testcases for Ubuntu desktop and alternate,16:57
jibelI'm not sure I'll be able to help with wubi, I failed all the installs I did today16:57
charlie-tcasome d16:58
charlie-tcasome days are like that16:58
skaet_charlie-tca if you could tackle wubi that would be great.   there's some fixes that went in, and i'm hoping all is good there.16:59
jibelskaet_, the problem is with wubi I'm affraid16:59
skaet_jibel,  :(,   sigh.   bug number yet?17:00
charlie-tcaI can't do wubi, don't really have windows17:00
jibelskaet_, not yet, I'm trying to find out what the problem is17:01
skaet_sorry charlie-tca,  misread the earlier statement.  jibel's corrected me.17:01
charlie-tcano problem17:01
* skaet_ goes back to lurk mode....17:01
jibelskaet_, but wubi insist in downloading the image each time, so that's pretty slow17:01
* skaet_ nods17:01
charlie-tcaQA Weekly meeting in #ubuntu-quality in 14 minutes17:47
cjwatsonwubi really shouldn't have to download the image if you're running it off the cd17:50
skaet_Riddell, jibel,  kubuntu mobile i386 20110330 posted19:05
patdk-wkjibel, heh, not good19:17
patdk-wkcan't even get the iso's to boot19:18
patdk-wkmd5 sums are good :(19:19
patdk-wkwell, think my tests are done20:09
patdk-wkthat was quick20:09
patrickmwjibel, have you ever seen this error? https://pastebin.canonical.com/45472/20:10
jibelpatdk-wk, indeed that was quick, thanks much!20:19
jibelskaet_, not good, bug 728088 not fixed since A320:20
ubot4`Launchpad bug 728088 in debian-installer (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "iscsi root (amd64) with or without auth fails to boot (affects: 1) (heat: 132)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72808820:20
jibeland a new one bug 74594720:20
ubot4`Launchpad bug 745947 in debian-installer (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "Fails to display video after grub (kernel lacks video output) (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74594720:20
* skaet_ looking20:21
jibelpatrickmw, do you use kvm to test the images ?20:21
jibelpatrickmw, if so it changes the permissions of the iso, check what are the permissions of edubuntu/natty-dvd-i386.iso20:22
jibelpatrickmw, can you help with ltsp on ubuntu alternate ? highvoltage is testing edubuntu20:24
jibelcjwatson, when wubi is run from a usb stick created with usb-creator or with --isopath on the command line with the latest iso as argument, it shouldn't download the iso, right ?20:29
skaet_jibel re: 728088 is still marked as new,  no one confirmed it.   Probably why it didn't get the love it deserved this cycle.  Can the person that just confirmed it for beta, please go mark it as confirmed and add a note to that affect.   It needs to go on our hot list.20:30
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jibelpatdk-wk, ^20:32
patrickmwjibel, yes20:32
patrickmwjibel: you were right, kvm changed permissions... tricky tricky20:35
jibelpatrickmw, add yourself to the group used by kvm20:44
patrickmwjibel: I actually don't use it.  I experimented with it a while back.. must have tried it with edubuntu.  thanks for the  tip though20:48
jibelpatrickmw, you're welcome20:49
patdk-wkbug updated :)21:02
jibelcjwatson, I've found something about wubi, the iso is labeled 'Ubuntu 11.04 "Natty Narwhal" - Beta 1 amd64 (20110329.1)' and the regex disk_info_re in distro.py doesn't match, hence wubi fails to validate the iso.21:03
jibelcjwatson, and terminate with 'ERROR  root: Could not retrieve the required installation files'21:03
jibelcjwatson, relabeling the iso to 'Ubuntu 11.04 "Natty Narwhal" - Beta amd64 (20110329.1)' should work21:03
skaet_otpev, ^^ ?21:12
cjwatsonbloody wubi21:16
cjwatsona respin to relabel would be very quick21:17
cjwatsonskaet_otp: I can do that if you like, after I get my daughter ready for bed21:17
skaet_otpcjwatson, that would be awesome21:17
skaet_otpyes please21:17
skaet_otpcjwatson, can we avoid pulling anything other than the wubi change in, so we don't invalidate the testing so far?21:18
cjwatsonskaet_otp: I don't plan to change wubi, actually - for this, I'll just change the ISO volume label as jibel suggests21:29
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skaetcjwatson,  that works even better.  :)21:29
charlie-tcajibel: problem with the screen-reader installs; if the21:29
cjwatsonskaet: the natural way to do this would keep the same livefs, and only change packages that are in the top-level ISO filesystem21:29
charlie-tcaif the system defaults to classic-gnome, the test case fails completely, since it is written for unity only21:30
skaetcjwaton,  thanks for explanation.21:32
jibelcharlie-tca, you should have 2 separate test cases then21:33
charlie-tcaThat's what we are thinking. With the note to switch as needed.21:34
cjwatsonso which images have Wubi?  Ubuntu and Kubuntu desktop x86, right?21:34
cjwatsonwhich images have Wubi test cases, I mean21:34
charlie-tcaand Xubuntu desktop21:34
cjwatsonand DVDs ...21:34
cjwatsonkubuntu-mobile i386.  does anyone actually use Wubi there?21:35
cjwatsonbut can somebody check the ISO tracker db for test cases, please?21:40
skaetcjwatson was just looking...21:40
skaetubuntu desktop amd64 has it,  and is the problem I think jibel's seeing.21:41
jibelcjwatson, K/X/Ubuntu Desktop i386/amd6421:41
jibelnot DVD21:41
* skaet -> late lunch, biab21:44
cjwatsonnot DVD?  good.21:46
cjwatsonall those are rebuilding, then.21:46
cjwatson(ISO only, not livefs)21:46
cjwatsonjibel: is there a way to bump the version of images without losing all those tests?  I mean, ubiquity hasn't changed so the bugs linked there are still valid ...21:59
cjwatsonseems like kind of a shame to require re-entering all that22:00
jibelonce the images are published, I'll move the results to the new build.22:01
cjwatsonok, cool22:01
jibelbasically an sql update22:01
cjwatsonposted Ubuntu Desktop amd64/amd64+mac/i386 20110330, then22:02
cjwatsonposted Kubuntu Desktop amd64/amd64+mac/i386 2011033022:05
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chadadavisHi, I'm testing kubuntu-amd64+mac (desktop+alternate). I just finished the OEM tests. Do these tests really make sense on a Mac, though?22:10
jibelskaet_afk, ^22:12
jibelchadadavis, I agree we should have a testsuite for mac and powerpc closer from xubuntu desktop than ubuntu desktop.22:13
chadadavisjibel, I meant regarding that only Apple is legally selling MacBooks. I guess in that respect, the tests are still useful for personal use, however. The test suite itself seems fine, though. But I havent' looked at those from xubuntu22:14
cjwatsonthere's probably not much point in running the OEM tests there; the ones from amd64 should suffice to test the software22:15
chadadaviscjwatson, I should've thought to ask before testing them. They pass at least.22:16
cjwatsonthe differences between amd64 and amd64+mac are very minor - the CD is just constructed differently to avoid breaking the Mac firmware22:17
cjwatsonit should really be +noefi but Macs were the major use case22:17
chadadaviscjwatson, there is a pretty serious issue (but report being drafted) in the 'resize' test that looks Mac-specific. At least that showed to be worth extra testing.22:19
cjwatsonif you mean bug 745800, I'm speculating that that might be the understood and non-Mac-specific but rather hard bug 73324022:24
ubot4`Launchpad bug 745800 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "grub-install loses OS in extended partition (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74580022:24
ubot4`Launchpad bug 733240 in os-prober (Ubuntu) "os-prober fails to find OSes on uncleanly-unmounted filesystems (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73324022:24
cjwatsonthe way to find out is by mounting and unmounting the filesystem it fails to find, then running 'sudo update-grub' again and seeing if the other OS now appears in /boot/grub/grub.cfg22:25
cjwatsonposted Xubuntu Desktop amd64/i386 2011033022:27
cjwatsonjibel: ^- that's all the Wubi respins done now22:28
cjwatsonjibel: I'll be around on and off for a couple of hours in case it goes wrong again22:28
jibelcjwatson, many thanks. I'm syncing them, and cautiously copying the results from the previous builds.22:29
chadadaviscjwatson, bug 745800 was on amd64, but I will try to mount and unmount them again. The problem I had only on mac was from grub-probe:22:30
ubot4`Launchpad bug 745800 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "grub-install loses OS in extended partition (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74580022:30
chadadavis  cannot find a GRUB driver for /dev/sda5 [the new part]. Check your device.map. I'm still collecting the details.22:30
cjwatsonchadadavis: find the grub-probe command, add the -vv option to it (make sure there are two vs), post command and output22:39
chadadaviscjwatson, will do, thank you. Just discovered the new builds for kubuntu-desktop-amd64+mac, so I'll grab that and try it.22:40
cjwatsonthat won't affect this22:41
chadadaviscjwatson, OK, good, I'll go ahead.22:42
cjwatsonI mean, if you already have a system that reproduces the bug, you might as well keep going with that22:47
jibelcjwatson, skaet_afk, update done.22:50
cjwatsongreat, thanks22:51
bdmurraycjwatson: what's the best way to get bug 736743 in your queue?23:01
ubot4`Launchpad bug 736743 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "boot error: sparse file not allowed (affects: 3) (heat: 22)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73674323:01
jibel\o/ wubi phase 1 passed, proceeding to phase 2. Looks good.23:05
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skaetjibel,  yay!  :)23:10
jibelskaet, do you know if smoser is taking care of ec2 testing ?23:15
skaetjibel,  carlos is working them I thought, but smoser may be helping as well.   why?23:16
jibelskaet, because it's on the incomplete list of Ubuntu images23:18
* skaet nods23:18
skaethggdh, any update on those remaining images?23:18
skaethggdh, ^^23:19
cjwatsonbdmurray: why do you think it's RC?23:20
bdmurraycjwatson: I don't think I mentioned RC - rather I wanted someone who knows more about grub than me to look at it23:23
cjwatsonoh, it's a dup of an earlier bug where I already commented23:25
cjwatsonmisled by the title ...23:25
stanzhello...quick question. choosing option to login without password, leaves no chance to pick desktop type. Is this a bug?23:25
jibelcjwatson, wubi installation was too nice to be true, I'm dropped to a grub shell on reboot23:26
cjwatsonactually the bug I was thinking of is closed.  I'll copy the comment across23:26
cjwatsonjibel: do you think I'm likely to be able to reproduce this locally?  I hate debugging wubi remotely23:26
cjwatsonjibel: was this an install from CD?23:26
jibelI ran wubi.exe --isopath=natty-desktop-amd64.iso23:26
jibelphase 1 and 2 were fine23:27
jibelon restart I select Ubuntu on the ntloader screen and that's all23:27
cjwatsonbdmurray: commented23:27
cjwatsonjibel: guess I'll have a look ...23:28
cjwatson(I wish my DVD drive would blank DVDs more quickly)23:42

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