[00:00] http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0102ft4/Click_26_03_2011/ [00:00] Click talking about hard drives :) [00:22] [Alan Bell] Ubuntu-UK Virtual Jam - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/03/29/ubuntu-uk-virtual-jam/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ubuntu-uk-virtual-jam [00:35] * penguin42 doubts you can spread virtual jam on toast; or perhaps you need virtual toast [00:50] has anyone got a Maverick box in front of them they can try something quick with? [01:04] hohum === JamesMcM is now known as tehCat === tehCat is now known as JamesMcM [05:29] I feel like I'm in an adventure game lol [05:29] The lock on my door broke, so I'm locked in [05:29] "Using the tools you have, break out of the room xD" [05:30] Azelphur: http://home.howstuffworks.com/home-improvement/household-safety/security/lock-picking.htm [05:30] I don't think picking it will work, something snapped inside the lock [05:30] and now I can turn the key 360 [05:31] MartijnVdS: I asked in #hardware, seems like the best approach is to take the door off the hinges haha [05:40] Azelphur: do you have beer and food? [05:40] I have food, no beer :( [05:41] what sort of food [05:41] uhh, jaffa cakes, kitcates, chocolate fingers, some crisps, toffee crisps, mars bar [05:41] xD [05:41] kitkats* [05:49] next best approach is "kick the door" [05:49] or "use a window" [05:49] use the window has been suggested, however I'm not suicidal right now :p [05:50] Azelphur: you're not on ground level? [05:50] nope, third story. [05:50] ♫ Spider-Azelphur, Spider-Azelphur.. ;) [05:50] haha [05:50] I think I have it now, with the power of internets [05:50] can't you VOIP-call a locksmith? :) [05:51] I have a real phone :P [05:51] no problem then [05:51] in fact I have 2 real phones and a VOIP phone, and a toolkit [05:51] indeed :D [05:51] but it's much quicker to just ask the internet, it's already solved in theory [05:51] I can just remove the pins from the hinges and take the door out [05:52] I'll do it at like 9am when everyone is awake [06:02] What if you have to pee? [06:02] then I'll have to hold it :D [06:02] lol [06:02] that might be easy at first.. [06:03] just had another cool idea to make it even earlier than 9am [06:03] I can just xmessage the TV [06:03] having a linux powered tv: priceless === LjL-Temp` is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest17328 [06:34] erm... [06:34] ..... xD [06:34] lol [06:35] * HazRPG 's notes to self: Always keep toolbox handy [06:35] * HazRPG and a linux box in each room [06:35] haha [06:36] gonna ping my mums laptop too actually [06:36] * HazRPG all else fails, pretend to be in an action movie and KICK THE MOFO DOOR DOWN :D [06:36] should let me know one way or another when she's awake xD [06:36] xD [06:36] guessing your in your room [06:36] ...hang on mum? Still with the parents? (that must suck :() [06:37] hehe yea, I'm in my room [06:37] I say, kick the door down ;) [06:37] haha, I'm not there yet [06:38] are the hinges actually on your side of the door? [06:38] (notices how the hinges on the door in the room he's currently in are on the other side of the door) [06:38] hang on, you lock your door? [06:39] yea, my hinges are on the inside [06:39] and yea I do [06:39] ... my mother never even closes the door when she goes to the bathroom! [06:39] haha [06:39] nevermind locking any doors [06:39] my dad isn't exactly trustworthy [06:39] and we have lodgers too [06:39] ah [06:39] although I trust the lodgers more than I trust my dad XD [06:39] see that I can understand [06:40] I use to lock my room whenever I wasn't in it [06:40] just because my dad would suddenly decide "room looks a tip, lets chuck it all out" [06:40] heh, wow really? [06:40] yea [06:41] I do both, when I'm in the room nobody has any respect and just walks straight in without knocking usually making me jump out of my skin because I have headphones on :p [06:41] or my mum had a nice habbit of walking in while I was in bed and leaving the door wide open, usually when we had guests [06:41] >_< [06:41] and when I'm not in the room my dad/brother like to come in and help themselves, and when it's my dad it's never to be seen again [06:42] xD [06:42] I can relate to that [06:42] doubt it, my dads had a pc, 3 laptops, countless toys and random artifacts off me over the years [06:43] :p [06:47] I can still relate ;) [06:47] fun [06:47] not really :P [06:48] missing stuff = bad :P [06:48] indeed [06:48] not so much missing when you know where it is though :) [06:48] yeah, but you "miss" having it... sorta the same thing [06:48] spose xD [06:52] Aloha [06:52] czajkowski: howdy :) [06:52] czajkowski: and good morning [06:52] \o [06:53] oh wow, just realised it was 30th of march! [06:54] argh! I'm chairing tomorrow >_< [06:54] * HazRPG enters minor panic mode [06:55] morning === Guest17328 is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest22990 [07:08] how do they ship something from the UK and give me an estimated delivery for the 6th. They could swim here faster than that! [07:09] I think I grumbled about a company about that once [07:09] I Worked out that at average walking speed I could walk there and pick it up faster than they could deliver it [07:13] google maps says it'd take me 8 hours to drive or 3 days, 4 hrs to walk [07:13] xD [07:14] still .. ugh. [07:15] I want new toys :o( [07:32] shauno: mornin dude [07:33] :( [07:33] companies suck lol [07:33] you'd think they'd want to get it out fast, that way they have more space for other stuff [07:33] either that or they're tight, and want to wait until they can pump out everything in one shipment [07:34] nah it's out, I just don't get why ups want a week to get it here [07:53] morning all [07:58] shauno: could be customs? [07:59] AlanBell: morning :) [08:02] hi [08:03] hmm, interesting question for ya... does radvd always dish the same IP to the same machines? [08:04] if it's doing stateless discovery, sort of. they're done by mac address, so the same network interface will always get the same address [08:04] when i run dmidecode i get Type: Unknown Speed: Unknown in http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/587238/ [08:05] Any clue ? [08:06] shauno: ah sweet === Guest22990 is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest82081 [08:34] HazRPG: I'm on my way to freedom... http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/March%202011/IMG_20110330_083108.jpg [08:35] I'm not gonna ask =x [08:35] shauno: my door lock broke, I've been trapped in my room for the past 4 hours [08:35] xD [08:35] lmfao [08:35] sorry [08:36] broke in what way? [08:36] hehe, wow... you totally hacked that door? [08:36] *gibson [08:36] I turned the key, something snapped, and now I can just turn the key 360 and nothing happens [08:36] shauno: key could twist 360 in the key hole :P [08:36] people are saying I broke the pins [08:37] Azelphur: have you actually just been sat bashing on the door to get to the lock? [08:37] told ya would have been easier to just kick it in :P [08:37] that doesn't sound right. the key can rotate past the pins normally [08:37] I've been crowbaring the wood with a hammer [08:38] shauno: I agree [08:38] mornin [08:38] well I don't know fuck all about locks [08:38] all I know is I put the key in, something snapped, and now the key rotates 360 and doesn't unlock the door [08:38] Azelphur: if anything sounds like your missing a pin on the inside [08:39] lock picking it would have been easier personally [08:39] I assumed I couldn't pick it baring in mind the key wouldn't unlock it [08:39] my friend tried to teach me how to lock-pick one time on this padlock he'd been practising for months with [08:39] ...took me 5 mins and I was in, dead easy [08:39] never done it before, but was really really easy [08:40] :) [08:40] esp. since I already knew the general concept behind a lock [08:40] lockpicking is disturbingly easy, in most cases [08:40] but yea I doubt you can pick a lock if the key won't unlock it [08:40] exactly [08:40] I'm sure you can [08:41] you just need to be pressing the right bits [08:41] HazRPG: It doesn't make logical sense to me, if you can't use a key to unlock a door, then you can't use a lockpicking kit to emulate a key to unlock a door [08:41] pressing the right bits lets you rotate the key far enough to actuate the next part of the mechanism [08:41] if the key can spin freely, that actuator is gone / stuck [08:42] maybe broke or jammed some of the springs that push the pins in [08:42] so yeah, unpickable [08:42] and in any case you have gone past the point of no return with that door [08:43] heh, yeah, it's a bit late for subtle solutions there :p [08:44] yeah kinda :P [08:44] FUCK YEA FREEDOM [08:44] \o/ [08:44] Azelphur: erm... also, lock picking set not needed (makes it easier but not necessary). Two paper clips is all you need [08:45] um Azelphur don't make me tell you off for language [08:45] Azelphur: pics or it didn't happen :P [08:45] but well done for getting out :) [08:45] Azelphur: also, gratz :D [08:47] I remember getting locked into the bathroom for hours... wasn't fun :/ [08:48] HazRPG: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/March%202011/IMG_20110330_084254.jpg xD [08:48] also the reason I ripped out the internal lock part out completely [08:48] also my door now has a bathroom-style slider lock. [08:48] lol [08:48] and instilled the "if its shut and/or lights are on... someone's in there" etc [08:49] Azelphur: \o/ [08:49] my missus has a habit of not shutting the door. or turning the light on. it can be a bit startling in the small hours [08:50] lol [08:50] I've never seen anyone other than my mum do that [08:50] ZOMG! This is one scary video of the tsunami in Japan.. http://theweek.com/article/index/213658/japan-the-most-horrifying-tsunami-video-yet [08:50] actually wait, my gran does that too :/ [08:50] thankfully I do use the light, so the full nightmare scenario has never transpired [08:51] nothing worse then being a kid... and running to the toilet for a nasty surprise! [08:52] my 7 year old is the only person who shuts the loo door in our house [08:52] TheOpenSourcerer: I'm pretty sure that's an old video.. [08:55] define $OLD [08:55] I saw it about a week ago [08:55] but hey ho, tragedy etc [08:56] What amazed me was how high the water level rose. The bloke with the camera must have been making a mess in his underpants [08:56] almost related, this kinda thing bugs me in news articles: "Photo: YouTube See all 27 photos" [08:57] I don't think citing 'youtube' is proper attribution, and giving us a slideshow of screengrabs instead of linking to the youtube video, so you can't find out who the proper attribution actually is .. [08:58] shauno: click the photo link of those... and citation of the poster is included [08:58] however I agree [08:58] HazRPG: how's v6 treating you? :) [08:58] I think mainly because some people may be reading this, and may have youtube blocked [09:00] ah, the rest aren't screengrabs, just the one they attributed to 'youtube' [09:00] MartijnVdS: like a dream <3 [09:00] hello all [09:00] MooDoo: howdy squire :) [09:00] :) [09:01] morning [09:01] MartijnVdS: currently just back tracing it so that I can post about it :) [09:01] browsing through the natty iso's I see that a powerpc version is back on the cards. A bit of a surprise. [09:02] re earthquake tho, I did find this interesting; https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/InsideSystemStorage/entry/ibm_japan_mailbag_of_interesting_reactions7 [09:02] lesson: leave some slack in the cables :) [09:02] shauno: ironically I always so xD [09:03] do* [09:03] danfish: hmm, interesting? [09:03] danfish: wonder why that is... [09:03] I didn't think the ppc version actually went away? just became a community port rather than a supported release [09:04] are there still many powerpc's on the go? I mean I know ps3's use it, and older Apple products... [09:05] maybe they've just recently hired someone to maintain it again :P [09:05] HazRPG: The most common radiation-hardened CPU (for space use) is a RAD750 (basically a PowerPC 750) [09:05] HazRPG: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAD750 [09:06] only $200k, or 2p [09:07] ppc still seem to figure a lot in supercomputers .. they're just disappearing from desktops at fast rate === Guest82081 is now known as LjL-Temp === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest6512 [09:13] it was just odd how 'official' support vanished and now has come back. Time to dust off the old G4 ibook :) [09:13] MartijnVdS: http://ipv6.he.net/certification/scoresheet.php?pass_name=hazrpg \o/ [09:14] you sure it's official? that'd seem like a very odd move [09:14] erm, I don't think its actually official [09:15] by official, I mean listed on the page at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [09:15] I just have a feeling the alpha/beta servers that compile the code and convert to iso still have ppc as one of the options [09:15] I'm pretty sure the others had alpha/betas of ppc [09:15] HazRPG: not happened in previous releases IIRC [09:15] *shrug( [09:16] *shrug* [09:17] http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/content/government-ict-strategy interesting stuff in there [09:18] AlanBell: good to see some mention of SME's [09:18] HazRPG: woohoo! :) [09:18] very much so [09:19] I like the section on Governance. They do seem to want to actually see it implemented this time too. [09:19] and that open source advisory panel sounds interesting [09:20] * AlanBell jumps up and down shouting "pick me, pick me" like donkey in shrek [09:20] Indeed - I can think of several people who would be very good on that. [09:20] AlanBell: added a new page about teh wiki to the global jam pad [09:21] to make the audit easier [09:21] nice [09:22] * danfish nominates the alans for the OS advisory board ;) [09:22] if anyone wants to triage unity bugs at a global jam, i will make you so much cake. we get compiz bugs filed against us and indicator bugs and appmenu bugs and gah - more bugs come in than we can triage most days [09:22] AlanBell: d'ya think that'll work? [09:22] 39. The Government believes that citizens should be able to read government documents with the standardised document format reader of their choice. The first wave of compulsory open standards will determine, through open consultation, the relevant open standard for all government documents. [09:22] mostly dupes and things filed against the wrong project thankfully [09:22] On DFD too :-) [09:22] gord: pick a time slot [09:23] gord: http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/globaljam2011 [09:23] be nice to have some simple docs or links to existing docs about what to do with unity/compiz bugs [09:24] TheOpenSourcerer, That should apply to video codecs then (they make sign language videos) as well as audio transcripts for the blind. [09:25] "mandatory open standards" wow, they said they wouldn't use the M word [09:25] it is available in ODF: http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/sites/default/files/resources/uk-government-ict-strategy-2011_0.odt [09:26] document properties title: "Cabinet Office word template - 2009" [09:26] lol [09:27] hehe [09:27] you l33t hax0r [09:28] oh come on, does anyone not go to file-properties first before reading a document? [09:28] AlanBell: yep, i always do! [09:29] Can't say I ever do [09:29] :) [09:29] It's critical when exporting to PDF from OOo. Else the properties title is what you get in the header. [09:30] there are so often juicy leftovers in there [09:30] bah [09:30] it would seem that I can't use libavcodec in ubuntu main to compile for h263/h263+ support [09:30] I just get an error [09:30] probably because of patents [09:31] JGJones: codecs have been mentioned as things that should be included in the scope of government using open standards [09:31] They formed a section in the questionnaire I completed recently. [09:32] MartijnVdS, yeah I figured...excuse me if I'm getting this wrong, but aren't libavcodec-DEV in source code? Patents don't cover source code I believe (as it's freedom of speech) [09:32] JGJones: -dev are just development headers, used to link your program to libavcodec [09:32] JGJones: http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/content/uk-government-open-standards-survey [09:33] patents do cover source code, where they are valid [09:33] patents restrict ideas [09:34] copyright restricts the expression of ideas [09:34] Morning kids [09:34] and copyleft is full of win [09:34] MartijnVdS, so...that would mean I need a libavcodec-dev that does include the codecs - would I be able to install these debian packages on Ubuntu 10.10 - http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/ [09:35] JGJones: I'd go with the Medibuntu versions myself [09:35] !info libavcodec-dev [09:35] libavcodec-dev (source: ffmpeg): development files for libavcodec. In component main, is optional. Version 4:0.6-2ubuntu6 (maverick), package size 2595 kB, installed size 6460 kB [09:35] !info libavcodec [09:35] Package libavcodec does not exist in maverick [09:36] MartijnVdS, There's no libavcodec-dev in Medibuntu [09:36] JGJones: what are you trying to do? [09:36] I'm compiling libopal files for Ekiga so that I can enable h263/h263+/h264 [09:38] ooo I got replies from the CumbriaLUG! [09:38] ... a fair number of replies too! [09:38] Although, I can see why its pretty much dead... seems most of them have moved away for better jobs [09:39] As I would like a video softphone based on either SIP/H323 so that I can make calls to a video relay service in development - but I need something better than a h261 video codec (h263/h264 are supported only) [09:39] JGJones: there is.. [09:39] or there used to be anyway [09:39] it might be in multiverse now [09:40] MartijnVdS: did you hear that I'm free now [09:40] MartijnVdS, http://packages.medibuntu.org/maverick/index.html - no -dev packages there and I do have universe and multiverse enabled. [09:40] Azelphur: you escaped your prison? [09:40] MartijnVdS: indeed, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/March%202011/IMG_20110330_084254.jpg [09:41] Azelphur: hardcore :) [09:41] lol [09:41] JGJones: no idea then, sorry. [09:42] MartijnVdS, No problem, thanks anyway :-) [09:43] I'll try with the Debian Multimedia packages then. [09:43] All this would have been much easier if Ekiga supported gstreamer [09:49] MartijnVdS: so now that I need a new door, I was thinking I should do something cool with it xD [09:49] like bluetooth unlocking or something [09:54] Azelphur: http://www.howtogeek.com/news/super-secret-door-top-stash-hides-your-flash-drive-and-cash-diy/3877/ [09:54] http://makeprojects.com/Project/Doortop-Stash/638/1 [09:54] that'd be cool for leaving in the house after you move so somebody will randomly find it [09:55] but I want something so that I don't have to carry a stupid chunk of metal [09:55] Some evil genious thought that it would be good to put #123 html codes into some file names. Now rsync can't stat the files [09:56] Azelphur: oh it's your front door, not the door to a room? [09:56] it's the door to a room [09:57] replace (the now broken) lock with a smaller one? [09:57] and put the key on the same keyring as your house key [09:57] popey: it's not just the lock that's broken [09:57] popey: did you see what I did to the door to get out lol [09:57] yes [09:58] popey: the problem wasn't that I forgot the key, the lock brock [09:58] broke* [09:58] and I was trapped inside :p [09:58] i didnt say it was [09:58] i know [09:58] 09:55:01 < Azelphur> but I want something so that I don't have to carry a stupid chunk of metal [09:58] I was addressing that specific point [09:58] ah :p [09:58] that's still carying a chunk of metal though :( [09:59] you could make it a lock-free door [09:59] most other people are capable of doing that quite happily and get on with their lives [09:59] as in.. just like normal "inside" doors [09:59] obsessing about a key is possibly over obsessing [09:59] haha I'm not obsessing, I just think it'd be cool to do something else with it given the opportunity. [09:59] london hackspace have a nice rfid tag based thing [09:59] could do sommat like that? [09:59] MartijnVdS: true but that would involve random pillaging of my stuff and room entering while I'm asleep :) [10:00] popey: sounds cool :D [10:00] Azelphur: that happens? :) [10:00] MartijnVdS: more than you might think back before I didn't lock it. [10:00] Ah, the blessings of living alone :P [10:01] s/alone/with normal people/ [10:01] popey: not in my case [10:01] i was citing my case [10:01] although.. [10:01] "normal" people :P [10:01] MORNING my dears! [10:01] last night sophie wandered into my bedroom and slept in my bed [10:01] \o czajkowski [10:01] so i slept downstairs [10:01] couldn't move her [10:02] indeed, living with normal people sounds good \o/ [10:02] Azelphur: do you live with family or random housemates? [10:02] popey: too tired after writing Python code all night? :) [10:02] oimon: family lol [10:02] Azelphur: I wouldn't worry about nerding up the door for now. just get it working. most fun solutions go in the door frame, not the door itself [10:02] * oimon wonders what you have to hide :P [10:02] The folks on @uupc are running a Ubuntu UK Fortunes - tinyurl.com/uupcfortunes this will be done in two weeks time, fill it in :D [10:03] Azelphur: once you get to nerding it up, the google-fu you want is "electric door strike" :D [10:03] oimon: here's a short list off the top of my head of some of the things my dad has stolen off me: 3 laptops, a PC, an Amiga, around 500 games for said amiga, a playstation, a sega saturn, a sega megadrive, at least 15 toolkits of various types, at least 3 USB cables, at least 5 ethernet cables [10:03] \o/ family fortunes [10:03] I got bored, I could go on. [10:04] Azelphur: i think you need a safe. [10:04] oimon: or a door lock :D [10:04] shauno: Install a coil of wire in the door frame (like in Cryptonomicon) :)) [10:04] but yea rfid locks using electronic door strikes look interesting :D [10:05] Azelphur: are you the one with broadband usage issues cos ur dad won't get another ISP? [10:05] I found one that has a key too in case of power outage [10:05] oimon: yup [10:05] Azelphur: Open the door with your Oyster card ;) [10:05] haha, oyster cards :D [10:05] I'm not in London, we don't have them out here [10:06] Azelphur: how it tends to work is that the door stays "locked", but the strike (the metal plate the lock latches into in the frame" has a moving part that'll "give" at 12 volts. [10:06] I see, so if I have the rfid on me and I walk near the door, it'll unlock? [10:07] my door at work uses a keypass but unlocks in case of fire [10:07] so to open it, you either unlock the door to open it as normal, or feed 12v into the strike so that the lock doesn't matter. the regular lock in the door is always the failsafe [10:07] Better solution Azelphur [10:07] move in to your own place ? [10:08] shauno: yea that's what I read made sense :) [10:08] diplo: sometime I probably will :) [10:08] they're pretty cheap too. 20 quid or so [10:09] the fun bit is under what conditions you present that 12v :o) [10:09] nice [10:09] Glad I moved out when I did, gave me a good start [10:10] Raining... :( === Guest6512 is now known as LjL-Temp [10:10] in other news I'm thinking of picking up a inspiron mini duo :D [10:11] Wife wants me to install Ubuntu to her win7 laptop.Hope to use wubi but should I use netbook od desktop edition ?also how do I install the win7 boot if all goes wrong ? === LjL-Temp is now known as Guest99821 [10:12] twager: I'd go for a proper install rather than wubi if you can. Netbook or desktop is a pretty null decision as they both merge next month [10:12] although netbook version of maverick sucked [10:14] Azelphur: Do not want to do a proper install as it means a repartition of the drive and I am not used to wofking with Windows products [10:15] twager: do you need windows on it? [10:15] twager: the Ubuntu installer handles it all automatically, it's extremely easy [10:15] although I recommend you take a backup before doing it incase of power failure / crash / ninjas [10:15] czajkowski: I do not but wife does [10:15] I find that wubi installs can be a bit tempremental [10:16] Azelphur: This is what bothers me..If I need to reload the boot to the mbr how do I do it ? [10:17] twager: if you want Windows to take the MBR back? I think there's a command like fixmbr or something in windows [10:17] twager: but the easy route is to just take a dd image of the drive, that's what I always do when I'm messing with it [10:18] then you can do whatever you want and take all the risks you like, if it goes bad you just restore the image [10:18] dd image and then there's no worries :) [10:19] Azelphur: Thanks..Will give it a whirl later... [10:20] twager: know how to do a dd image? :) [10:21] Azelphur: Used it many years ago whe Slackwre first came out and often dd an .img file to cd but never donw a complete drive and help appreciated [10:22] twager: I assume you know how to find out the device name of the drive (eg /dev/sda) right? [10:22] Azelphur: Yes [10:23] dd if=/dev/sdx | gzip > image.gz [10:23] and to restore gzid -dc image.gz | dd of=/dev/sdx [10:23] gzip rather, not gzid [10:24] hey cool, apparently you can backup the MBR too [10:24] twager: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/ddcommand.htm interesting information :) [10:24] Azelphur: but the lappy boots into win7 ? [10:25] twager: yea so use a Ubuntu Live CD/USB and backup the drive [10:25] then do stuff :) [10:25] having a backup is a good thing anyway. [10:25] Morning [10:26] Azelphur: Great..Ta very much... [10:26]