[00:06] <KB1JWQ> iheartubuntu: Yeah, I've had issues getting 11.04 to behave in an OpenVZ container, I've had to tweak the heck out of my build scripts thus far.
[00:11] <nhaines> iheartubuntu: if  you're going to do something like that, may as well do it in a foreign country anyway.  :)
[00:21] <iheartubuntu> :D
[00:25] <kevin4942941> what happens in some other city than your own, stays in some other city than your own...unless you feel like talking about it
[00:45] <nhaines> I like this one.  http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?currency=USD&products_id=828
[00:46] <akk> ubuntu uses pantone colors? 8-|
[00:46] <nhaines> akk: well, the branding guidelines and brandmarks do specify Pantone colors.
[02:04] <kevin4942941> anybody want to try the game i programmed?
[02:30] <kevin6567767> i'm not sure why i'm a guest on freenode but not on undernet
[02:30] <kevin6567767> weird
[02:31] <kevin6567767> idea!
[02:33] <Guest460372> huh, i think it's fixed
[02:33] <Guest460372> arg
[02:37] <iheartubuntu> do the numbers signify anything?
[02:38] <iheartubuntu> how to open a potato chip bag in the library very quietly? :)
[02:44] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: just do it quickly :)
[02:46] <iheartubuntu> yes, i would have to buy the bag made out of kevlar
[02:48] <iheartubuntu> first photo of mercury from orbit http://www.space.com/11254-nasa-photos-mercury-orbit-messenger-spacecraft.html
[02:50] <iheartubuntu> i wonder how long it took to send the image
[02:53] <iheartubuntu> An interesting read on being "Happy or Right." http://mhall119.com/2011/03/happy-vs-right/
[02:53] <iheartubuntu> akk, did you see: first photo of mercury from orbit http://www.space.com/11254-nasa-photos-mercury-orbit-messenger-spacecraft.html
[02:54] <akk> I did! Very good resolution already!
[02:54] <iheartubuntu> any idea how long it took to beam the images?
[02:55] <akk> No, don't know (good question, though). I know spacecraft links are usually pretty slow -- might be an hour or several.
[02:58] <akk> http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n1103/17messenger/ has some good details
[02:59] <akk> Several powerpc processors, data rates between 104kbps and 9.9bps (right, no k in there) depending on distance.
[03:00] <akk> They're nearly at opposition (as close as they get) now, so data rate should be near the top of that range.
[03:08] <kevin5949173> iheartubuntu: cool link on "happy vs right"
[03:11] <akk> I'm with mhall on that.
[03:11] <kevin5949173> oh, he had an opinion?
[03:11] <akk> I thought the article was pretty clear on that. You didn't?
[03:12] <kevin5949173> oh yeah, "if i'm wrong point it out if i'm factually or provably wrong"
[03:12] <akk> "I came to the conclusion that I’d rather be right than happy." That seems very clear.
[03:13] <akk> I've known people who lived in fantasy worlds ... I wouldn't want to be them, and in the end they didn't end up happy because too many things clashed.
[03:13] <kevin5949173> yeah, but then he says "if i'm wrong, tell me"
[03:14] <kevin5949173> i think that threw me off...that is neither right or happy
[03:14] <kevin5949173> it could be argued everyone lives in a fantasy world
[03:14] <kevin5949173> death for example
[03:14] <akk> "If I'm wrong, tell me" means if you're discussing something with him (not necessarily that topic) and he's wrong, he wants to be corrected
[03:14] <kevin5949173> but i see your point...too much fantasy is bad...but fantasy keep it interesting
[03:14] <akk> because he won't be happy staying wrong.
[03:15] <akk> He wants to be shown the details that show he's wrong, if he is.
[03:15] <kevin5949173> if he is capable of being happy, sure, i would agree
[03:16] <kevin5949173> i mean, there are probably some terrible things one could be told, and upon hearing them, only a deluded fool would stay happy
[03:16] <akk> Yes, it's true. There are occasionally things one is better off not knowing.
[03:17] <kevin5949173> unless they would find out anyway, it may be better to know asap
[03:17] <kevin5949173> but then it's like predestination...or is the future changeable
[03:17] <kevin5949173> anyway, yeah, i agree with him
[03:18] <akk> I'm not sure I necessarily need to be told every true-but-depressing fact in the world
[03:18] <kevin5949173> i do, i want to see things as they are...maybe there's something that can be done
[03:18] <akk> but if I'm spouting information that's provably wrong, I definitely want to be corrected (hopefully politely).
[03:18] <akk> Two different issues.
[03:19] <kevin5949173> they are interconnected
[03:19] <kevin5949173> like everything
[03:19] <akk> sure, but that doesn't mean the answer is necessarily the same for both.
[03:19] <kevin5949173> i am not following you on the different issues, i thought you were talking about "something being done (hope)" and "seeing things as they are"
[03:20] <akk> Probably time to drop this. We're way off topic, and I don't think I could be any clearer on my position anyway (and I thought mhall was very clear too).
[03:21] <kevin5949173> hehe okay
[03:27] <kevin5949173> why did you laugh, moron?
[03:27] <kevin5949173> i don't know!  i just typed whatever!
[03:28]  * kevin5949173 sings a lullaby
[04:35]  * kdub does battle with graphics stack
[05:26] <pleia2> slick666: hey!
[05:26] <slick666> lol
[05:26] <slick666> how goes it
[05:26] <pleia2> good :) in town soon?
[05:26] <slick666> well I'm in Cali right now but down in SoCal
[05:26] <pleia2> cool
[05:27] <slick666> I'll be in your nexk of the woods about a week from now
[05:27] <slick666> I was hoping there would be a Global Jam event happening down here in LA but it doesn't look like there is anything going on
[05:27] <slick666> you guys have plans up there in the bay area?
[05:28] <pleia2> yeah, jono is doing one near his place on friday, jdeslip and I are hosting one in berkeley on sunday
[05:29] <slick666> you planning on going to any?
[05:29] <pleia2> just the one in berkeley, have to work on friday
[05:29] <pleia2> we'll be doing xubuntu iso testing!
[05:30]  * pleia2 picked up a couple usb sticks today
[05:30] <slick666> nice
[05:30] <slick666> cool, what did you get for USB drives?
[05:30] <pleia2> just a couple 4G sticks to do live iso testing on netbooks
[05:31] <slick666> nice
[05:31] <slick666> your doing Xubuntu testing with them?
[05:31] <pleia2> yep
[05:32] <pleia2> also, we're doing it at a pizzeria, yay pizza!
[05:34] <slick666> lol, nice
[05:34] <slick666> have you guys been looking at Lubuntu?
[05:35] <pleia2> I haven't tried it yet
[05:35] <slick666> its been a few months since I've looked
[05:35] <slick666> it claims to be smaller that xubuntu after it's been de-ubuntu-ified
[05:36] <pleia2> yeah, xubuntu these days tends to be almost as heavy as gnome out of the box
[05:37] <pleia2> it's far more customizable though, so that's the major reason I use it
[05:41] <slick666> I've been a big fan
[05:41] <slick666> but I tend to lighten it up after I get it going
[05:41] <pleia2> yeah, same
[05:42] <pleia2> http://princessleia.com/images/MyImages/screen/xubuntu_desktop_03202011.jpg is my netbook
[05:42] <pleia2> desktop is similar
[05:42] <slick666> sweet
[05:42] <pleia2> all deubuntuified ;)
[05:44] <slick666> I've been trying the GLX dock
[05:45] <pleia2> I've been quite happy with the panel
[05:46] <slick666> nice
[05:47] <slick666> I'll shoot you a e-mail when I get to town
[05:47] <pleia2> sounds good :)
[05:47] <slick666> good luck with the xubuntu testing
[05:47] <pleia2> thanks!
[05:47] <slick666> I'll let you know if I find anything in LA
[05:47] <pleia2> hope you have a nice time in socal
[05:48] <slick666> the weather is way better than KC so I call it a sucess :D
[05:48] <slick666> later liz
[05:49] <pleia2> hehe
[05:49] <pleia2> later :)
[06:13] <kevin5949173> hmmm, nothing in so cal, i'd do something, even if it was just at a local coffee shop, but that weekend isn't good for me.  friend's birthday, potential girlfriend
[06:16] <kevin5949173> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9exdLBS6Y7A&feature=player_embedded video on the tipitaka
[06:18] <kevin5949173> "mind more reliable than a book if used properly"
[06:25] <slick666> yea I understand that
[06:26] <slick666> I'll be hanging out in Santa Monica this weekend
[06:26] <slick666> so maybe I'll shot this question to the mailing list
[06:27] <kevin5949173> oh, dang it, sorry, that video was for another channel
[06:29] <slick666> I was wondering how it related to the prevous conversation
[06:32] <kevin5949173> again, my apologies
[19:29] <kdub> i like squeeze's installer
[19:41] <pleia2> kdub: gui or cli?
[19:42] <pleia2> I haven't tried the gui one
[19:42] <nhaines> Ooh, when did Debian get a graphical installer?
[19:43] <pleia2> lenny
[19:43] <pleia2> I don't know if they changed it at all for squeeze, I never used it for lenny either :)
[19:43] <nhaines> :)
[19:44] <kdub> pleia2: ncurses is the only real way :D
[19:45] <kdub> i just liked the rocketship picture on the selection menu
[19:46] <pleia2> I'm not really a fan, I have to give this installer to customers, it looks a bit cutesy :\
[19:47] <pleia2> I mean, personally - woo cute! but professionally, not so much
[19:48] <pleia2> although, the other day I was able to identify whether they had to right iso (they had a bunch of old burned isos around) by asking if there was a spaceship on the screen :)
[19:51] <nhaines> :D
[20:02] <iheartubuntu> For those that placed an Ubuntu Store order with me recently, I was just alerted that the package was delivered, so all items will go out tomorrow and Friday.
[20:25] <nhaines> kdub: just read your announcement.  That's next month!
[20:27] <nhaines> ;)
[20:49]  * kdub is always anxious for the 1st so my budget rolls over and i can buy new things. wishful thinking
[20:59] <nhaines> My budget theoretically works that way, too.  :)
[21:38] <iheartubuntu> WOW - the Ubuntu Mouse is visually delicious :)
[22:22] <gmendoza> good afternoon
[22:23] <gmendoza> :-)
[22:35] <kdub> iheartubuntu: i read that as "ubuntu moose"...
[22:35] <iheartubuntu> what about Ubuntu Mousse
[22:35] <iheartubuntu> WAIT... arent there moose in MI?
[23:29] <kdub> the upper peninsula has them