[00:22] <GrueMaster> So, does anyone in kubuntu have armel hardware?  Specifically omap (beagle, beagleXM)?
[01:25] <ScottK> GrueMaster: rbelem has beagle.
[01:25] <ScottK> Unfortunately due to a USB related kernel bug he can't test.
[01:25]  * ScottK has a stack of mx.51, but that doens't help.
[01:26] <GrueMaster> Sigh.  Ok I'll test the remaining omap image
[01:27] <ScottK> GrueMaster: If it had been Canonical that made armel hardware available to Kubuntu devs, then there'd be a better chance of it being hardware Canonical cares about supprting.
[01:27] <ScottK> Ah, apachelogger has n900.  
[01:27] <ScottK> That doesn't help either ...
[07:41] <Daskreech> Just reading the Nokia VP explanation of Symbian and Qt
[07:41] <Daskreech> Why is the arguement given behind the statement "All together, this means your investment in Qt is a safe choice for skill competency, monetization opportunities and brand awareness amongst our millions of users." supposed to be compelling?
[07:49] <valorie> "look over here at Qt, not over there at WinPhone"
[07:51] <Daskreech> http://wl4.peer360.com/b/OZ4Y0HB4qe2y4P0Aobr0/main.asp <--- Full verbage 
[07:59] <Daskreech> valorie: Did you do the KDE survey?
[08:00] <valorie> yes, I saw it on the www chan
[08:00] <valorie> and I think I dented it
[08:02] <valorie> you ok, Daskreech?
[08:03] <valorie> it sounds like you are having a bad day
[08:03]  * Daskreech is just annoyed at lots of stuff
[08:03] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
[08:12] <Daskreech> Thanks :)
[08:47] <bambee> morning
[09:44] <Riddell> beta beta beta!
[10:40] <ghostcube> hello guys a little article postet in ubuntu-de-offtopic
[10:41] <ghostcube> http://www.networkworld.com/newsletters/sec/2011/032811sec2.html
[11:19] <afiestas> Riddell: We should release today if everything (and all tests) go fine
[11:19] <Riddell> afiestas: bluedevil?
[11:19] <afiestas> since we don't have much time to test before final kubuntu release I'd like to take some time to test everythign myself
[11:19] <afiestas> Riddell: yes
[11:19] <Riddell> lovely
[11:20] <afiestas> Riddell: how is the obex-data-server update going?
[11:23] <Riddell> afiestas: it got packaged but can't be uploaded because we're in freeze for today's beta
[11:23] <Riddell> uploads start tomorrow
[11:23] <Riddell> or indeed just after beta gets released
[11:32] <Riddell> steveire: I added you to ~kubuntu-members, congratulations on getting membership, your <lpid>@kubuntu.org e-mail should start working in the next day or two, you can add yourself to planet ubuntu if you wish
[11:36] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers created
[11:37] <Riddell> I guess we should work out how to do a mass branch migration
[11:42] <ScottK> steveire: Congratulations.
[11:43] <ScottK> Riddell: I'd say let's do the branch migration after release while the toolchain's being updated and no one can upload stuff anyway.
[11:44] <Riddell> good plan
[11:53] <afiestas> Riddell: oks, thanks!
[12:13] <steveire> Riddell: ScottK: Cool, thanks :)
[14:32] <Riddell> how's this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NattyUpgrades/Kubuntu ?
[14:36] <shadeslayer> *click*
[14:37] <tsimpson> I think this line could be worded better "1) Insert the alternate CD, open it in a new window, open the Run Command dialog by pressing Alt+F2 or if this is not working right click on the desktop or as a last resort, run a terminal window. Type kdesudo "/media/cdrom/cdromupgrade" in the command box and press the return button."
[14:38] <tsimpson> "1) Insert the alternate CD, open it in a new window, open the Run Command dialog by pressing Alt+F2. If this does not work right click on the desktop and choose Run Command, or as a last resort, run a terminal window. Type kdesudo "/media/cdrom/cdromupgrade" in the command box and press the return button."
[14:38] <tsimpson> not sure if s/return button/enter key/ is needed too
[14:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: at the end, i think it should be mentioned that they might have to boot into recovery and/or switch to a vt
[14:39] <shadeslayer> to run those commands
[14:44] <rbelem> Riddell, did you get the patches for kdelibs so we will be able to build latest plasma-mobile?
[14:45] <Riddell> rbelem: I've not looked at them and I won't be able to until monday
[14:45] <Riddell> rbelem: are they all suitable for post beta?  i.e. very low risk of regression?
[14:46] <rbelem> Riddell, oki
[14:46] <rbelem> Riddell, i think it is
[14:47] <rbelem> Riddell, i have tested these days in my desktop and i have not experienced regressions
[14:47] <rbelem> Riddell, and latest plasma-mobile is a little bit faster
[14:47] <rbelem> Riddell, have a built in virtual keyboard
[14:47] <rbelem> Riddell, and some other new features
[14:48] <rbelem> it has its own kdeinit now
[14:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw, in case you decide to .. take a break ... which team are you going to join?
[15:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer: bzr/launchpad
[15:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: in that case we shall bug you to fix memory issues with bzr
[15:02] <shadeslayer> we = yofel_ Quintasan_ and me
[15:06] <Riddell> mmm, la la la
[15:38] <Quintasan> steveire: gratz
[15:50] <Riddell> confusing, this is not JontheEchidna https://launchpad.net/~jonoomph
[16:05] <ScottK> This is not the Jonathan Thomas you are looking for ...
[16:07] <ScottK> Riddell: Would you please make kubuntu-council an admin for kubuntu-packagers?
[16:11] <Riddell> ScottK: done
[16:11] <ScottK> Thanks.
[16:21] <c2tarun> #konsole
[16:21] <c2tarun> oops sorry
[16:33] <steveire> Quintasan: Cheers
[16:35] <steveire> Where can mpitt be found? Doesn't seem to be on irc
[16:35] <Riddell> steveire: pitti is on #ubuntu-devel, what are you after him for?
[16:36] <steveire> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/680088 His comment there. It doesn't seem relevant to me because I'm trying to go from 10.04 to 10.10 and he seems to be talking about going from 10.10 to 11.04
[16:40] <apparle> guys, I have messed the file associations such that, man:<something> in krunner opens with firefox, how to change it to rekonq
[16:40] <Riddell> steveire: I think he's just said that because the bug was still open for current development release, I've marked it as invalid now so it's only opn for maverick
[17:46] <Riddell> afiestas: obex uploaded
[17:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: around for a QML Query?
[17:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: is there a date till which one has to apply for sponsorship for the Desktop Summit?
[17:58]  * ScottK notes a new release of telepathy-logger was just uploaded.
[17:58] <ScottK> apachelogger: ^^^ any relation of yours?
[17:58] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[17:59]  * shadeslayer searches
[17:59] <ScottK> Not kidding: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/telepathy-logger/0.2.6-1ubuntu1
[17:59] <shadeslayer> ScottK: new telepathy logger in archives?
[17:59] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:59] <shadeslayer> i compile alot of the telepathy stuff
[17:59] <ScottK> Successfully?
[17:59] <shadeslayer> so i thought i missed a announcement or something
[18:00] <shadeslayer> ScottK: apart from the telepathy-kde, everything builds fine now
[18:00] <shadeslayer> wrote a few scripts with help from yoann21
[18:00] <shadeslayer> er
[18:00] <shadeslayer> s/yoann21/yofel
[18:01] <shadeslayer> ScottK: do you know of a variable we can use in Neon to set the dir where dbus looks for services?
[18:01] <ScottK> No.
[18:01] <shadeslayer> okay
[18:08] <c2tarun> I was reading wiki page for backtrace and I found this line gdb <program> 2>&1 | tee ~/gdb-<program>.txt can anyone please explain me what is 2>&1 and tee?
[18:08] <c2tarun> I got tee from man page
[18:08] <c2tarun> just 2>&1
[18:12] <yofel> 2>&1 redirects output that goes to the stderr stream to the stdout stream
[18:12] <yofel> that's bash
[18:12] <ScottK> c2tarun: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/818255/in-the-bash-shell-what-is-21
[18:13] <c2tarun> thanks :)
[18:26] <bambee> Riddell: what about phonon 4.5.0 for the next release ? I mean, Is it planned or not ? If it is, I've to ask a FFE for qzeitgeist, that's why I am asking (I asked ScottK yesterday and he did not know)
[18:30] <ScottK> And I still don't.
[19:21] <ulysses> hm, I don't have a „Share” tab in Dolphin when clicking a folder and choosing the Properties, not even my system or on a live CD
[19:22] <shadeslayer> ulysses: natty?
[19:22] <ulysses> shadeslayer: yepp
[19:22] <shadeslayer> ulysses: is samba installed?
[19:22] <ulysses> nope
[19:23] <shadeslayer> rbelem: ^^
[19:32] <ScottK> Make sure your hostname isn't longer than 16 characters.
[19:32] <ScottK> smbios is a bit odd in that regard.
[19:34] <c2tarun> is there any tutorial that can help me understanding the o/p of backtrace?
[19:47] <afiestas> Riddell: thanks
[19:47] <afiestas> going to start the bluedevil after the reboot :)
[21:11] <rbelem> ulysses, do you have kdenetwork-filesharing installed?
[21:12] <ulysses> rbelem: no, it's not installed default
[21:14] <apachelogger> ScottK: I do not have a relationship with telepathy logger
[21:14] <apachelogger> wouldn't mind getting introduced to him though
[21:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I was not around, I am sorry
[21:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: sure no problem
[21:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: my QML code is foobared
[21:15]  * apachelogger found a bottle of red wine
[21:15] <shadeslayer> red? :O
[21:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: find a bottle of Blue Wine !!!
[21:15] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[21:15] <apachelogger> I dont care
[21:15] <apachelogger> ...
[21:15] <rbelem> Riddell, should kdenetwork-filesharing be installed by default on kubuntu-desktop image?
[21:16]  * apachelogger shall acquire some white one at the gas station
[21:16] <apachelogger> out of wine I am 
[21:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so, what is foobared
[21:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/8649
[21:16] <shadeslayer> my flippable element does not work :(
[21:17] <shadeslayer> oh oh
[21:17] <apachelogger> you realize that apachelogger has introduced the rule that if your indention exceeds 80/2 characters per line you did something horribly wrong?
[21:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: define not working
[21:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/8650
[21:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: basically .. the back is not shown
[21:19] <shadeslayer> even tho it registers the click
[21:19] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: want me to make a git repo?
[21:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you do not actually do anything with the flipped property?
[21:21] <Riddell> rbelem: yes it ought to be
[21:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: if i move my MouseArea out of my Delegate i lose flick functionality
[21:21] <apachelogger> ah
[21:21] <apachelogger> nvm
[21:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger:  i want to, i haven't fully implemented back yet, so that's why the simple rectangle
[21:21] <Riddell> bambee: I'd like phonon 4.5.0 but without zeitgeist since that adds extra packages to the CD and is untested (it's also unused)
[21:22] <shadeslayer> i should comment my code :P
[21:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: my qml does not suffice for that sorta thing
[21:22] <Riddell> bambee: so needs a FFe for phonon 4.5.0 and a FFe for uploading qzeitgeist (we should have it in the archive)
[21:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: but from general reading I would suppose you have a state problem
[21:22] <apachelogger> as the transformation is bound to the state, but the state actually has no relation to any other state
[21:22] <bambee> Riddell: okay
[21:23] <apachelogger> so your item would need 2 states front and back, where former is defualt and latter gets transited to upon property change
[21:24] <apachelogger> maybe I am wrong though
[21:24] <rbelem> Riddell, ulysses said it is not installed by default in livecd
[21:24] <apachelogger> who knows
[21:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I would do it in cpp anyway :P
[21:24] <apachelogger> java > javascript
[21:24] <apachelogger> java > cpp > javascript
[21:24] <apachelogger> for that matter
[21:24] <Riddell> rbelem: check the .manifest file in the CD download page on cdimage.u.c
[21:27] <rbelem> Riddell, it is not listed there http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-i386.manifest
[21:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you just did it the wrong way around
[21:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: git@github.com:shadeslayer/QML-Mockups.git
[21:28] <bambee> apachelogger: my eyes are bleeding ... I did read "java"
[21:28] <bambee> :P
[21:29]  * apachelogger has java in his pants
[21:38] <Riddell> rbelem: indeed it's not in the seeds, that's very strange, I'm sure I added it