[00:09] <cg2916> how do I make it so that the grub shows the menu on startup instead of the command line?
[00:40] <pmp6nl> a
[01:28] <Jon--> Is Unity the default window manager for Ubuntu 11.04? Will Gnome2 continue to be well supported, and how easily is it to use GNOME instead, of Unity is the default?
[01:29] <trism> Jon--: unity is the default, but you can select classic gnome on the login screen
[01:30] <Jon--> trism, And this is GNOME2? Does it include all the packages that, say, 10.04 include?
[01:31] <trism> Jon--: I haven't used it much, but it doesn't seem any different from previous ubuntu desktops
[01:40] <Daekdroom> Jon--, it does use GNOME 2.32
[01:40] <Daekdroom> libgtk3 is available, but not used by default.
[01:41] <johnjohn101> do you think someone will package gnome 3 for 11.04?
[01:49] <Daekdroom> johnjohn101, it's currently available through a PPA, but not very stable.
[01:49] <Daekdroom> https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3
[01:49] <johnjohn101> thanks
[01:50] <johnjohn101> i'm going to probably wait a few iterations before moving to different uis
[03:23] <Blue1> will gnome be available with the next ubuntu, or am I stuck with unity?
[03:29] <nit-wit> Blue1, you can have xfce, xubuntu, openbox, fluxbox, ubuntu classic, kde, and other desktops
[03:30] <nit-wit> gnome and gnome 3 as well
[03:34] <Blue1> gnome-desktop?
[03:38] <charlie-tca> You can choose classic-desktop at login which is the gnome desktop that you are used to
[04:54] <aberhow> it's got to be march 31st somewhere right? I need muh beta...
[04:55] <frewsxcv> my ubuntu 11.04 is getting stuck at cheking battery state
[05:52] <linux-noob> what is the default FS in Natty ?? btrfs or EXt3
[05:53] <linux-noob> what is the default FS in Natty ?? btrfs or EXt4
[05:54] <linux-noob> what is the default FS in Natty ?? btrfs or EXt4
[05:55] <aberhow> 4
[05:56] <aberhow> linux-noob: btrfs hasn't even been released as stable yet
[06:18] <SwedeMike> aberhow: I thought it had, but reading up shows you're right, but the btrfs authors said that there won't be any more on-disk design changes anymore... but I am very conservative about filesystems, I usually wait at least 2 years after stable before starting to use it :P
[06:19] <aberhow> SwedeMike: yea I wouldn't trust any "new" filesystems for a while, and i'm pretty sure Ubuntu wouldn't trust it as a default either.
[06:20] <SwedeMike> I sure hope so.
[07:53] <jonsaint> hi all. does anyone know when the next ubuntu is out?? i know its april but is there a release date?
[07:54] <rww> !schedule
[07:54] <jonsaint> many thanks
[08:06] <Trron> will there be overlay scrollbars by default in natty?
[08:59] <fireboy> hi :) I'm with kubuntu with intel graphics driver, and it seems compositing has got a problem. When I activate desktop effects, I get a message saying they cant be activated, and that I should check my X config. Any clue what could be the problem ?
[09:00] <susundberg> Is it even supposed to work?
[09:01] <fireboy> works with maverick
[09:05] <susundberg> dont know, you would need to debug what is going wrong, or search for open bug ..
[09:05] <fireboy> my guess is that I'm missing a little bit of conf or something, but what could it be ?
[09:06] <susundberg> Well that might be the case but it really should work 'out-of-box'
[09:07] <susundberg> while waiting for someone more skilled to help you, you might want to read: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/628930
[09:12] <fireboy> dont think thats relevant, quite old
[10:58] <trijntje> Hi all, will there be a notification in this channel when the beta is released today, or is there some other place I should watch?
[11:06] <susundberg> you can always download daily image
[11:24] <coz_>  good day all
[11:29] <susundberg> hello
[11:35] <|Seth|> 'lo susundberg
[11:35] <|Seth|> oh wait
[11:35]  * |Seth| facepalms
[11:36] <Ian_> how come the fglrx driver doesn't show up in jockey yet?
[11:59] <AnAnt> Hello, libraries won't be in /usr/lib/ anymore ?
[12:00] <susundberg> I some parts will be there as it used to be..
[12:00] <susundberg> at least i haven't heard anything else..
[12:00] <susundberg> what makes you suspect that?
[12:01] <AnAnt> susundberg: debian bug #620122
[12:01] <AnAnt> see the post of James Page
[12:03] <susundberg> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchSpec
[12:04] <susundberg> Ok, so i learned something new .. seems like they are really going to move the lib path
[12:05] <susundberg> But as James writes "has started to make the transition" .. that might take a while i guess ..
[12:07] <ohsix> its taken 5 years
[12:48] <LiJunLe> has beta1 released now ?
[12:53] <alkisg> How can I say "aptitude why ntp" in a default Natty installation? (i.e. the equivalent apt-get line)?
[12:58] <susundberg> same way you could in maveric i guess ..
[12:58] <susundberg> what do you want to do?
[12:58] <susundberg> install, remove query package ntp?
[13:12] <alkisg> susundberg: in Lucid aptitude is preinstalled, so I supposed that in Natty something else would do the same function as `aptitude why`
[13:12] <alkisg> E.g. `aptitude changelog` has been implemented as `apt-get changelog`
[13:13] <alkisg> Yes, I want to see why some package was installed (manually, as a dependency etc)
[13:17] <susundberg> oh, you might want to read the apt-get manpage? Or install aptitude?
[13:18] <susundberg> don't know sorry.
[13:44] <jacco> Beta1 not available yet?
[13:45] <richthegeek> !topic
[13:46] <BUGabundo> jacco: join the announce mailinglist
[13:46] <BUGabundo> and you will get an email when its out
[13:47] <jacco> BUGabundo: thanks, I'll do that, link on testing page is frustrating me...
[13:47] <BUGabundo> lol
[13:47] <BUGabundo> get a daily
[13:48] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: any idea if Canonical is shipping 10.04.2 CDs, or are those still 10.04?
[13:49] <kklimonda> or anyone?
[13:49] <BUGabundo> no idea
[13:49] <jacco> Wanted to read release notes, but if I can't wait I'll get a daily anyway
[13:49] <BUGabundo> email them
[13:49] <kklimonda> it's pretty OT for the channel, but then I'm not sure where to ask about it ;)
[13:49] <BUGabundo> at shipit@
[13:49] <kklimonda> good idea
[13:49] <BUGabundo> usually you get a fast reply
[13:57] <jacco> Joined the announce list, save canonical some refresh bandwidth, thank BUGabundo
[14:07] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[14:07] <BUGabundo> hey
[14:10] <BluesKaj> hi BUGabundo supposedly the beta 3 is coming down the pipe today ..haven't seen anything yet.
[14:11] <BluesKaj> err Alpha 3
[14:11] <BUGabundo> beta1
[14:11] <kklimonda> Beta1
[14:12] <BluesKaj> oops scuse my mistake , the greek letter and number :)
[14:12] <BluesKaj> next
[14:12] <kklimonda> I haven't heard of any problems, so it should be released today as planned.
[14:13] <BluesKaj> odd , suddenly I have 2 dropbox icons in the taskbar
[14:15] <BUGabundo> mine is gray
[14:15] <BUGabundo> no idea why
[14:17] <BluesKaj> I'm on kde so using kfilebox , which shows as such , but the other icon is plain dropbox ..weird
[14:18] <BUGabundo> got a code for 25% off on a Fonera 2.0. get it's the fastest one to reply :D
[14:19] <BluesKaj>  /var/cache/apt/archives/ ..gonna look
[14:21] <BluesKaj> wow, lotsa old gnome apps from previous installsin that file
[14:22] <ceed^> Hi, Anyone know if the ia32 vs Flash problem from yesterday has been fixed through updates? I am running an older ia32 until I know it's been fixed.
[14:23] <BUGabundo> I'm half fine here cee
[14:23] <BUGabundo> I had probs with audio
[14:23] <BUGabundo> and some videos in fullscreen
[14:23] <shrodes> pretty sure it is fixed
[14:23] <shrodes> with ia32-libs_20090808ubuntu11_amd64.deb
[14:23] <shrodes> according to: http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/gepwu/for_those_of_you_running_1104_who_had_flash_stop/ anyway
[14:24] <ceed^> Well, I'll give it a try! :)
[14:24] <ceed^> Oh, that's the fix using an older ia32, right?
[14:25] <ceed^> I see it now, it seems to have been fixed. thanks!
[14:25] <shrodes> no worries
[14:25] <sacha> hey guys
[14:26] <sacha> i was testing out the daily build on march 30 and everything was working perfect. it was awesome. except i accidently made my boot partition 'btrfs' and grub didnt like that. i got the march 31 daily build and installed that but with ext2 boot this time.. now things went haywire!
[14:27] <sacha> first up, it just boots to black screen so i have to manually run 'startx'. then -- there's no unity anymore? it's running gnome?
[14:28] <sacha> vgaswitcheroo has disappeared so im guessing this has something to do with the new 11.4 catalyst build right?
[14:28] <ceed^> sacha: I've run btrfs on a couple of laptops. it's fast, but it's buggy. and a buggy file system is a certain way to disaster.
[14:28] <sacha> what sort of bugs ceed^?
[14:29] <ohsix> the great unknown
[14:29] <sacha> bad to use it for /home?
[14:29] <ohsix> there are real bugs, but no real assurances that its fir for purpose, yet
[14:29] <ceed^> sacha: sudden data read errors. i suddenly had an unreadable partition. just disk spinning and numbers on the screen.
[14:29] <ohsix> if /home is where you store important files, no :D
[14:30] <sacha> oh :( what's good for my intel ssd then? back to ext4?
[14:30] <ceed^> sacha:  Very bad for home. I ran it as /
[14:30] <sacha> im running it as / right now :\
[14:30] <BUGabundo> I have my all disk on ssd with btrfs
[14:30] <BUGabundo> without any stress
[14:30] <BUGabundo> only have /boot on extfs
[14:32] <arand> It's been working fine for me, untill I started messing about with ma snapshots to do a rollback, but that was mainly due to misunderstandings and missing feauter which I expected to exist, I reckon
[14:32] <sacha> yeah same here. that's no good?
[14:32] <ceed^> It worked flawlessly for me for almost two months. then I had one partition die. on the other laptop files began to dissapper. never had problems like that with any file system. there's no real way to repair btrfs yet either
[14:32] <sacha> oh yeah, reminds me.. ubuntu complains that it can't find a btrfs.fsck every time it boots up -- that's normal?
[14:32] <ceed^> yea
[14:33] <arand> Well, from what I've heard, btrfs isn't meant to fail in the first place with it's cow magic ;)
[14:33] <arand> *meant*
[14:33] <sacha> the cow magic might interfere with ubuntu's cow magic
[14:34] <sacha> so im just wondering.. did unity disappear today? or is it because i used 'startx'?
[14:35] <arand> Drivers not working?  Does it work better if you instead start gdm?
[14:36] <sacha> yeah but dont know why drivers worked in mar 30 build and not mar 31 build
[14:36] <sacha> it gets confusing because i have switchable graphics (an intel core i5 and an amd 5650)
[14:36] <arand> Well, it's definitely material for a bug report.
[14:36] <sacha> but this march 31 build doesn't seem to have vga_switcheroo (mar 30 one did)
[14:37] <sacha> coincidentally, fglrx (proprietary graphics) came out with a special 11.4 version for ubuntu 11.04 yesterday. it includes powerxpress or something that does the same thing as vga_switcheroo
[14:37] <sacha> and im guessing it's broken because they are swapping them
[14:38] <sacha> cause i chose option to install proprietary drivers when i installed
[14:39] <sacha> glxinfo is giving me segfault today :(
[14:45] <xapel> is the beta still being released today?
[14:47] <BUGabundo> should so
[14:47] <xapel> what about this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/banshee/+bug/604699
[14:49] <pmatulis> amorphous1: o/
[14:50] <amorphous1> pmatulis, hello
[14:50] <pmatulis> amorphous1: good to be here while running pre-release, check topic before upgrades...
[14:54] <ceed^> My major natty gripe is that Google Calendar currently won't work with Evolution.
[14:54] <sacha> anyone notice that, in the daily build today, the search button doesn't seem to work on the home page?
[14:55] <sacha> on about:startpage
[14:57] <arand> Yea, I saw that as well on 30th I tihnk
[14:57] <sacha> i wonder how something like that happens :P they really change search button?
[15:11] <sacha> is there an official way to get compress=lzo in 11.04 from the live cd?
[15:11] <sacha> that is, before it installs itself
[15:17] <wolter> is the beta out yet?
[15:18] <BUGabundo> LOL
[15:18] <BUGabundo> wolter: /topic
[15:18] <BUGabundo> join the announce mailinglist, and you will get an email when its out
[15:19] <wolter> BUGabundo, yes I am aware of the topic LOL
[15:19] <wolter> it says march 31 is the date for the beta in the release schedulel, am i wrong?
[15:20] <BUGabundo> !date
[15:20] <BUGabundo> Thu Mar 31 15:20:09 WEST 2011
[15:20] <BUGabundo> you still have ~9h left :P
[15:21] <richthegeek> expect beta1 to land around 8pm UCT
[15:22] <richthegeek> *UTC
[15:23] <wolter> oh :S
[15:24] <mu3en> will there be another truck load of package updates beyond the rolling updates so far? many things look good (apart from a naggy suspend/resume kernel issue here. similar to something a few releases ago which was a "mistaken" warning it turned out.)
[15:24] <richthegeek> that could be as much as 4 hours off though - as early as 16:00UTC or late as 23:59 UTC
[15:26] <richthegeek> there are a bunch of bugs with unity that hopefully will get fixed in this release - ideally the final month (beta1->rc in old terms) would be polish.. but I suspect a lot of it (beta1->beta2->release) will be full-on bugfixing
[15:27] <pmatulis> fg
[15:31] <ohsix> if i haven't seen a package push in the last 24hours am i already using beta? it's a rolling upgrade install
[15:31] <ohsix> or is there going to be one big dump at 8pm UTC
[15:39] <BluesKaj> I'm looking for a NAS device that runs on linux ..any suggestions
[15:45] <iceroot> BluesKaj: ##hardware would be a good place
[15:46] <gnomefreak> ok this is getting old now. my connection has been slow as crrap since monday. last night at 7pm it worked as it should, fast but now its back to a crawl. i guess i call att today
[15:47] <gnomefreak> 18% [35 Sources 885 kB/4390 kB 20%]  for example
[15:48] <gnomefreak> and i cant get speedtest page to open at all for the last 3days
[15:49] <Dr_Willis> Been fighting trying to get flash to actually install on this upgraded system. :)
[15:50] <Dr_Willis> keep getting some coredump during the install process of some related packages.
[15:50] <Dr_Willis> !flash
[15:51] <gnomefreak> Dr_Willis: flash has been having issues. i had it installed but it stopped working i ended up reinstalling it after running clean and purge and it fixed it
[15:52] <gnomefreak> on 32bit
[15:52] <Dr_Willis> Upgraded 64bit box here. nspluginwrapper keeps coredumopng so it cant even try ti install the flash
[15:52] <Dr_Willis> Looking for plugins in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[15:52] <Dr_Willis> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[15:52] <drc> I've read/heard that the proprietary Nvidia drives are/were hit and miss with the Alpha releases.  Will they/it be functional and stable for the beta releases?
[15:53] <Dr_Willis> there we go.. cleaned out the /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins dir.. and it isntalled.. now to see if it worked.
[15:54] <gnomefreak> Dr_Willis: yes before release they will be. atm it is the upgraded versions we are waiting for. IIRC its due to the new/revised API of X
[15:54] <gnomefreak> opps
[15:55] <gnomefreak> drc: see my comment to Dr_Willis i meant it for you. also read the link in the topic related to the new Xorg stack
[15:55] <drc> gnomefreak: thanks
[15:56]  * drc really should read the topics...if he didn't turn them off by default :)
[15:57] <linux_> i look for the ubuntu 11.04 beta 1
[15:58] <drc> gnomefreak: Tha X.org url is 2 months old...I assume that the information there is still relevant?
[15:58] <BUGabundo> linux_: join the announce mailinglist, and you will get an email when its out
[16:00] <linux_> where can join
[16:01] <ohsix> drc: the freeze is a good time for them to act, but that doesn't mean it'll be there
[16:01] <linux_> Would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest?
[16:01] <BUGabundo> !mailinglist
[16:01] <gnomefreak> drc: to be sure you may need to read the follow up comments but i havent heard of it changing yet
[16:02] <gnomefreak> ok it seems i need to call ISP and see WFT is going on
[16:02] <drc> ohsix gnomefreak: I read the one followup I cound find (same date), thanks...Note to self: Patience is a virtue!
[16:03] <ohsix> Dr_Willis: nspluginwrapper is vile D: it's never worked properly for me regardless of the distro, and for flash in particular it breaks wmode; if you can stomach checking for updates installing the native 64bit plugin is great
[16:03] <shrodes> !mailinglist
[16:04] <BUGabundo> bbl
[16:05] <Dr_Willis> ohsix:  its working fine for me now.
[16:05] <Dr_Willis> Watching 'Ramen Fighter Miki' on Crackle.com :)
[16:06] <ohsix> you should try the native one, it's a treat
[16:06] <ohsix> i wish adobe would hurry up and do a release that ubuntu could actually package
[16:06] <Dr_Willis> im waiting for HTML5 to kill off flash befor that happens.
[16:06] <meganerdca> you will be waiting for a very long time
[16:07] <Dr_Willis> I can recall when 'realplayer' was the big thing.. and other things that used to be must have/big thangs.. that are now just 'old usta-bees' :)
[16:07] <sud0su> how we do to make ubuntu natty to be beatifull ??
[16:07] <sud0su> sorry my english no so good
[16:08] <Dr_Willis> sud0su:  change your wallpaper.. :)  and clarify what you want to change exactly.
[16:08] <Dr_Willis> select a theme you like,.
[16:08] <meganerdca> either that or there will be another poorly supported browser plugin that will be become nearly a "must have".  I have faith in humanity's ability to screw things up :)
[16:08] <sud0su> can we change the unity in left to right
[16:08] <Dr_Willis> Im still trying to get recordmydesktop to record system sounds.. so i can capture some of these vids to watch n my cellphone.
[16:08] <ohsix> i don't remember realplayer ever being a big thing; it's was a "big thing" back then like it's a "big thing" right now, insofar that cspan has some streams that are still in rm
[16:08] <Dr_Willis> sud0su:  i dont think thats changeable at this time
[16:09] <sud0su> Dr_Willis: thanks
[16:09] <meganerdca> ohsix: it used to be the way most videos were played on the net
[16:09] <Dr_Willis> ohsix:  and some Baseball stuff.. but i definatly recall when realplayer as a big name to watch.. bach when Iomega was big. :)
[16:09] <coz_>  good day all
[16:09] <meganerdca> ah, the good ol days
[16:09] <ohsix> meganerdca: the videos i was watching were all with that vivo codec ;]
[16:09] <Dr_Willis> back when Quicktime was also a requirement.
[16:10] <ohsix> i installed quicktime once to play myst
[16:10] <meganerdca> what was Intel's codec, back in the 486 days?  Indeo or somethign
[16:10] <ohsix> indeo yea
[16:10] <meganerdca> 35 is far too young to feel this old
[16:10] <ohsix> heh wow, real bought vivo in 98
[16:10] <ohsix> i didn't realize i was on the interwebs watching stuff that early
[16:12] <ohsix> i had a bunch of south park episodes in .rm but that was all i pretty much ever used it for
[16:12] <ohsix> they were in a vacuum though
[16:13] <Dr_Willis> I got 100's of dragon ballz videos in .rm
[16:13] <Dr_Willis> For the size of the file. the quality is decent. :)
[16:13] <ohsix> for cartoons yea
[16:13] <ohsix> the southpark episodes were like 30 megs
[16:13] <Dr_Willis> thats all i ever watch basically. :)
[16:13] <sud0su> :D
[16:18] <meganerdca> I saw my first south park episode as a .rm
[16:18] <meganerdca> back when I used photoshop 4 at the University newspaper
[16:24] <brobostigon> good afternoon
[16:24] <brobostigon> how do i change the ont rendering settings, as i cant find the appearence app, where they usd to be.
[16:24] <brobostigon> please.
[16:29] <ohsix> i still see them here
[16:30] <brobostigon> what is the apps name, so i canstart it from terminal?
[16:31] <Dr_Willis>  gnome-control-center
[16:32] <Dr_Willis> perhaps.
[16:32] <brobostigon> ok, let me look.
[16:33] <brobostigon> i dont see it. anywhere in there.
[16:35] <linux> hi
[16:35] <linux> waiting for the ubuntu 11.04 beta
[16:36] <meganerdca> ditto
[16:37]  * gnomefreak gets the feeling this is going to be a while and most likely disconnect me a few times at the very least
[16:41] <linux> meganerdca do you install it on your main pc
[16:43] <unsub> hi folks
[16:43] <unsub> a funny thing happened to me on natty today.  I had a really bad screen freeze when using VLC on fullscreen and had to do a hard shutdown (im on a macbook5,1).  When I logged back in gnome had lost all its setting and the files in ~/{Desktop,Documents,Downloads} have all vanished but files in ~/ are all still there.  So I log in using xcfe and I have 2 Desktop folders, 2 Documents folders and 2 Download folders but all are empty.  Its probably related to usin
[16:43] <unsub> g home folder encryption?
[16:45] <unsub> i manually mounted my home folder from another account and the files really are gone
[16:45] <unsub> so i looked in my system log and theres nothing, weird, eh?
[16:46] <beniwtv> unsub: That's bad :(. Have you tried a fschk?
[16:46] <unsub> i havent yet, im on dmcrypt/LUKS
[16:47] <meganerdca> linux: I have not been able to get natty installed on my machine
[16:47] <unsub> should i run fschk from a live cd?
[16:47] <quup> I was looking at the blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/ and sorted by delivery
[16:47] <quup> it seems only about 10 out of 170 things are implemented by now
[16:47] <quup> is the blueprint not updated?
[16:47] <meganerdca> linux: I have 10.10 on my laptop and 10.04 at home, this is a new machine I am putting it on, stupid Sandy Bridge
[16:47] <linux> ok
[16:48] <beniwtv> unsub: A try could not hurt I suppose.
[16:50] <unsub> beniwtv can you think of a reason why only certain directories were wiped?
[16:50] <unsub> im thinking encryptfs over wrote them
[16:51] <unsub> ~/movie.avi survived but ~/Downloads/movie2.avi was lost
[16:51] <unsub> then i get 2 ~/Download folders which i thought wasnt possible because of duplicate path-names
[16:53] <unsub> bbiab
[16:53] <needhelp1> is beta 1 dropped yet
[16:54] <meganerdca> unsub: one of the duplicated directories might have a space at the end, which would make it unique
[16:55] <beniwtv> unsub: I do not think so, ecryptfs works on a file AFAIK, not on the disc
[16:55] <ceed^> crossover linux doesn't show up in applications in unity. I can see all the entries in the Gnome menu.
[16:59] <doodoo> at wat tome utc beta will be released?
[17:00] <needhelp1> they usually say it will be released by 23.59 UTC
[17:00] <needhelp1> so anytime today
[17:00] <needhelp1> i keep refreshing this page   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[17:01] <charlie-tca> It will be announced and the topic will change when it releases
[17:01] <needhelp1> do they usually wait till 23.59?
[17:01] <charlie-tca> We usually get the topic changed to re\
[17:02] <charlie-tca> show what milestone we are at. Note it says Alpha3 now.
[17:02] <charlie-tca> needhelp1: no, but there is no actual time scheduled to release it
[17:02] <needhelp1> thats fair, i mean if they did say a specific time, i would then ask for the exact second
[17:03] <doodoo> hehe
[17:03] <doodoo> we all r greedy
[17:03] <beniwtv> needhelp1: Probably you would be hitting Ctrl+R so many times the server would crash :P
[17:04] <doodoo> wat happens wen we press ctrl+r?
[17:04] <needhelp1> refreshed the page
[17:04] <needhelp1> firefox
[17:04] <doodoo> it works :D
[17:05] <charlie-tca> You should just subscribe to the Ubuntu announcements mailing list, it will come out in an email there
[17:05] <needhelp1> got a link?
[17:07] <ChrisBuchholz> I have a problem where ubuntu turns on the mini-jack-in slot on my computer, so the red optic-light is on even though nothing is plugged in. Which package would i report that against :D
[17:07] <ChrisBuchholz> woaw, that should have been "?", not ":D"*
[17:08] <charlie-tca> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-announce
[17:08] <charlie-tca> needhelp1: ^ ^
[17:08] <doodoo> yay its out...beta is out http://goo.gl/q2Pk
[17:10] <charlie-tca> nope
[17:11] <charlie-tca> What makes you think the announcement would be youtube?
[17:12] <doodoo> narwhals ;D
[17:12] <charlie-tca> You will see it announced here officially
[17:14] <rww> As far as #ubuntu+1 is concerned, it's released when ubuntu-devel-announce@lists.ubuntu.com says it is :)
[17:17] <needhelp1> charlie-tca, rww  on the mailing lists, it has an option to receive daily digests, what is this
[17:17] <charlie-tca> That means you get a pack of all messages once a day, instead of each message as it comes out
[17:18] <needhelp1> if im subscribing to ubuntu-announce, i should only get like one or two messages right
[17:18] <charlie-tca> right
[17:18] <needhelp1> alph, beta, and offical release
[17:19] <charlie-tca> and if you take a digest, you won't get them as they come out, you get them once a day only6
[17:19] <rww> I wouldn't recommend using it, personally, unless it's a high-traffic list that you /never/ reply to.
[17:19] <rww> replying if you only get digests is a mess.
[17:19] <rww> or rather, replying properly :)
[17:20] <needhelp1> what is mime
[17:20] <needhelp1> im using gmail
[17:22] <rww> needhelp1: either way works on that option, you can just leave it set to the default
[17:23] <needhelp1> how can i tell what version of applications are used on alpha3/beta 1 .. i perticually want to see what version of banshee is used. 1.9.6 im assuming
[17:24] <mongy> what version gnome2 is natty btw
[17:24] <vish> needhelp1: Help » About
[17:24] <rww> !version
[17:24] <vish> rww: he was app versions not Ubuntu
[17:24] <needhelp1> well, im not on alpha or beta
[17:24] <vish> wants*
[17:25] <rww> vish: There are two sentences in that factoid :)
[17:25] <needhelp1> is there a page that lists the current package versions
[17:25] <arand> needhelp1: apt-cache policy banchee    as per above
[17:25] <vish> ah!
[17:25] <zefyr> is the beta out yet?
[17:25]  * vish <- short attention span
[17:25] <rww> needhelp1: apt-cache policy packagename for one, dpkg -l for all
[17:25] <arand> s/banchee/banshee/
[17:25] <mongy> gnome itself...not apps.
[17:25] <needhelp1> arand, im not on the alpha or beta version
[17:26] <needhelp1> so doing so would show me what version i have, right
[17:26] <rww> zefyr: no
[17:26] <zefyr> thx rww
[17:26] <vish> needhelp1: if you are not using natty then #ubuntu is the place for such questions
[17:26] <rww> zefyr: the channel /topic will be updated when it is :)
[17:26] <zefyr> ok
[17:26] <arand> !packages | needhelp1
[17:27] <needhelp1> mass confusion, im on 10.04, i want to know what version of packages are used on 11.04 alpha 3 or beta
[17:27] <mongy> will gnome3 make it into natty by release?
[17:27] <arand> needhelp1: ^ Online link there can browse versions in natty, or launchpad.
[17:27] <rww> mongy: assuming the last email I read about it is still true, no.
[17:27] <needhelp1> arand, thanks
[17:28] <needhelp1> yeah, from what i understand, no gnome 3
[17:28] <beniwtv> I do not really care about gnome-shell, but I had hoped we would get at least new versions of the popular programs? :(
[17:29] <arand> Many parts of it is in, yes
[17:30] <arand> Since gnome3 isn't all one huge blob...
[17:31] <vish> beniwtv: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2011-January/002740.html
[17:31] <beniwtv> vish: Hadn't seen that, thanks
[17:32] <needhelp1> is it that unity and gnome shell is causing issues between the desktop enviroment ?
[17:32] <vish> needhelp1: no
[17:40] <ChrisBuchholz> I have a problem where ubuntu turns on the mini-jack-in slot on my computer, so the red optic-light is on even though nothing is plugged in. Which package would i report that against ? Must be alsa right? But which package?
[17:41] <beniwtv> ChrisBuchholz: I would first check if it is PulseAudio that enables it, else it would be ALSA (probably you could even disable it with alsamixer).
[17:59] <incorrect> how often do kernel updates come out?
[18:01] <BluesKaj-den> incorrect, good question ... I have no idea, usually with alpha or beta releases afaik
[18:02] <BluesKaj-den> I have no idea about the schedule that is since there are some between as well
[18:02] <incorrect> i have a bug with the wifi ath9 driver, its been identified and fixed a few weeks ago, so i wondered when i would see it
[18:05] <incorrect> will ubuntu 11.04 make april? there seem to be a fair number of issues still?
[18:06] <meganerdca> incorrect: there will always be issues
[18:06] <incorrect> this is true
[18:07] <Dr_Willis> they always seem to manage to pull it off at the end.
[18:08] <incorrect> i must admit unity2d is pretty sweet on my netbook
[18:09] <meganerdca> the only spare hardware I have right now is sandy bridge based, so I am currently screwed.
[18:10] <incorrect> ah so tomorrow is the first beta release, am i likely to see a ton of updates?
[18:14] <mongy> how do you run unity2d?
[18:15] <skyjumper> anyone else having synaptics touchpad issues?
[18:18] <trism> mongy: sudo apt-get install unity-2d and then select it from the Sessions menu when you log in
[18:25] <stianhj> IS there an ETA for beta 1?
[18:27] <robin0800> stianhj, when its ready
[18:31] <beerios> Does anyone know of a way to get the nvidia-96 drivers working in Natty (amd64)?
[18:37] <beerios> I mean, it's theoretically possible if I downgrade the X server, right?
[18:38] <skyjumper> beerios: i imagine you'd be stuck with broken dependencies in that case
[18:40] <beerios> hmmm
[18:41] <remtodd> anyone use new 11.04
[18:41] <beerios> Well I think I'm going to have to reinstall Maverick and stick with it until I get word of confirmed working nvidia-96 drivers.
[18:43] <beerios> before I leave, I'll track down the most useful thing I've read about the problem so far, just in case any of you are interested in working on it :)
[18:46] <ChrisBuchholz> beniwtv: how would i check if its pulseaudio? also, i can easily disable it with alsamixer, but it always comes back at some point (even though i save the setting with alsactl)
[18:46] <meganerdca> beerios: I am installing 10.10 right for that very reason.  I have a sandy bridge machine so the onboard intel also does not work.  10.10 with an nVidia for the short term seems like the least painful option
[18:47] <beniwtv> ChrisBuchholz: Try the volume control in Gnome, or temporarily remove pulseausio
[18:48] <beerios> meganerdca, it's a usual problem with new distros :) 10.10 didn't have working nvidia-96 drivers at first after changes to the X server
[18:49] <gyger> I have the newest version of firefox installed(4.0.whatever), but when i run it, it is still the old  version (3.6.something-or-other), does anyone have any ideas?
[18:52] <meganerdca> beerios: not really that common of a problem, at least in my experience.
[18:53] <meganerdca> gyger: type "which firefox" at a command prompt
[18:56] <beerios> Ok, finally found that page again...
[18:56] <beerios> This should be helpful to someone with more understanding than I have
[18:56] <beerios> http://us.generation-nt.com/answer/bug-612956-nvidia-glx-requires-xorg-video-abi-8-0-but-new-xserver-xorg-core-provides-xorg-video-abi-8-help-202235392.html
[18:57] <gyger> meganerdca: /usr/bin/firefox
[18:58] <meganerdca> gyger: ls -la /usr/bin/firefox
[18:59] <meganerdca> gyger: how exactly did you install ff4?
[19:00] <zefyr> http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/ looks like its out to me
[19:01] <beniwtv> 404...
[19:01] <gyger> meganerdca: i updated using the software updater that said the package "firefox" was being updated to version 4 point something as mozilla made it  available
[19:01] <gyger> meganerdca: /usr/bin/firefox -> /opt/firefox/firefox
[19:06] <doodoo> can i upgrade to natty from maverick by running update manager -d
[19:06] <beerios> you can definitely try
[19:07]  * needhelp1 waits for beta 1
[19:07]  * needhelp1 is ready to bug hunt 
[19:07] <beerios> beta 1 is out
[19:07]  * gyger upgraded a LOOONG time ago... enjoying the new stuff
[19:07] <needhelp1> i didnt get an email from ubuntu-release
[19:07] <beerios> Beta 1: http://releases.ubuntu.com/natty/
[19:10] <doodoo> can i upgrade to natty from maverick by running update manager -d
[19:11] <yofel> sure
[19:11] <yofel> beerios: the isos are up, but the announcement isn't out yet
[19:12] <gyger> meganerdca: any ideas?
[19:12] <beerios> just a matter of time before the announcements go out
[19:13] <beerios> someone probably stopped to have a nice cold beer before hitting "send" ;)
[19:13] <yofel> gyger: how did you install the firefox in /opt ?
[19:13] <gyger> yofel: i didn't install it manually
[19:14] <yofel> gyger: well, you got it somehow, so... ?
[19:14] <gyger> yofel: doesn't it come installed by default in ubuntu?
[19:14] <yofel> firefox yes, but not in /opt
[19:15] <yofel> so if you say that you have '/usr/bin/firefox -> /opt/firefox/firefox' then you did something there
[19:15] <yofel> gyger: what does 'dpkg -S /opt/firefox/firefox' say?
[19:16] <gyger> dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /opt/firefox/firefox.
[19:17] <yofel> then you installed that manually it seems, try to purge firefox and reinstall it
[19:17] <gyger> yofel: sudo apt-get remove firefox ????
[19:17] <gyger> or am i missing something?
[19:17] <yofel> sudo apt-get purge firefox
[19:18] <gyger> thank  you
[19:19] <gyger> ok... THAT'S creepy...
[19:19] <gyger> ran it... firefox still runs
[19:19] <beerios> run it again
[19:19] <beerios> lol
[19:20] <gyger> beerios: package firefox is not installed, so not removed.
[19:20]  * gyger slowly backs away from the possessed laptop
[19:20] <yofel> it probably now uses the one in /opt, no idea how though
[19:20] <gyger> is there a way to tell?
[19:20]  * yofel doesn't know how to properly remove that either
[19:21] <yofel> hm, you could try 'ps auxw | grep firefox' - that should tell the path
[19:21] <gyger> gyger    17916  0.0  0.0   4156   856 pts/3    S+   13:21   0:00 grep --color=auto firefox
[19:22] <yofel> hm... then it's not running
[19:23] <gyger> i can go to a command prompt and type "firefox" and a nice, shiny new firefox window opens
[19:23] <yofel> what does 'which firefox' say?
[19:24] <gyger> /usr/bin/firefox
[19:24] <yofel> and that still points to opt?
[19:25] <gyger> yup
[19:25] <beerios> derp
[19:25] <yofel> ...
[19:25] <gyger> rmdir?
[19:26] <yofel> well, you can try to remove it, but I'm not sure why the link was still there
[19:26] <yofel> I have absolutely no experience will manually installed firefox
[19:27] <gyger> me either
[19:27] <Digits> Is it possible to disable Unity? I'm not too pleased with the new UI design.
[19:28] <yofel> sure, select ubuntu classic on login
[19:28] <coz_>  hey all
[19:28] <Digits> Wow, how did I miss that one? Thanks!
[19:28] <yofel> hi coz_
[19:28] <coz_> yofel,  hey guy :)
[19:35] <gyger> yofel: i uninstalled the old one
[19:35] <gyger> or rather deleted the directory
[19:35] <gyger> tried to reinstall from synaptic...
[19:35] <gyger> E: firefox: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[19:35] <gyger> E: firefox-globalmenu: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[19:35] <gyger> E: firefox-launchpad-plugin: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[19:36] <LULLING_HARD> When 10.10 users upgrade to 11.04 what happens to Gnome?  Does it get replaced by Unity automatically or is Unity installed alongside Gnome?  I am talking about those of us who do upgrades and not fresh installs.
[19:44] <yofel> gyger: what's the error before the 'exit status 2' ?
[19:54] <gyger> ***Your system has been left in a broken state by a third party package***
[19:54] <gyger> This is usually caused by installing packages from Ubuntuzilla. Fixing this now
[19:54] <gyger> dpkg-divert: error: mismatch on package
[19:54] <gyger>   when removing `diversion of /usr/bin/firefox by firefox'
[19:54] <gyger>   found `local diversion of /usr/bin/firefox to /usr/bin/firefox.ubuntu'
[19:54] <gyger> dpkg: error processing firefox (--configure):
[19:54] <gyger>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[19:57] <xapel> is it out yet?
[19:58] <arand> xapel: no
[20:05] <gyger> yofel: i just realized what it is... i had used ubuntuzilla at one point
[20:06] <gyger> but i had since removed it
[20:18] <LULLING_HARD> anyone, anyone?
[20:19] <Tallken_> nop
[20:19] <kangarooo> hello i have made usb live usb from 29.03.2011 11.04 and live makes all black. when i turn off lights in night in dark i can see in monitor something that its loaded and live is working but it made all screen black..
[20:20] <trism> LULLING_HARD: you can select the classic gnome desktop on the login screen, I'm not sure what an upgrade will select by default
[20:20] <kangarooo> so i cant see anything. its on emachines laptop. on dell laptop its working
[20:20] <kangarooo> emachine is widescreen
[20:21] <LULLING_HARD> trism: OK, so Gnome will be there, it's just a matter of selecting it at login?  I want to try Unity, so I would prefer both be selectable.
[20:22] <trism> LULLING_HARD: yes they will both be there
[20:22] <LULLING_HARD> thanks
[20:22] <LULLING_HARD> trism: Also, is Wayland going to be in 11.04?
[20:22] <trism> LULLING_HARD: no
[20:23] <LULLING_HARD> is it planned for 11.10 or is it just sort of a "whenever it gets ready" type of thing?
[20:24] <needhelp1> whats the command to show the full path in nautilis
[20:24] <needhelp1> ALT something or CTRL
[20:24] <trism> LULLING_HARD: well, actually I see it in universe, for people to play with I imagine...from what I've heard, it is still along way off though (so I imagine unlikely for 11.10)
[20:26] <trism> needhelp1: ctrl+L
[20:26] <LULLING_HARD> ok thanks.  that's all my questions.  As you were.
[20:26] <thiebaude> is the 11.04 beta out yet?
[20:27] <guntbert> thiebaude: the /topic will tell you: not yet
[20:27] <thiebaude> guntbert, thanks :)
[20:28] <guntbert> :)
[20:28] <ambrosia2> i just finished downloading it
[20:28] <IdleOne> Can someone help me get flash working?
[20:28] <IdleOne> flashplugin-nonfree is installed
[20:28] <thiebaude> prob time for me to upgrade from 10.10
[20:29] <IdleOne> or is flash broken for everyone?
[20:30] <trism> IdleOne: it works here (32 bit though)
[20:30] <IdleOne> yeah 64bit here, forgot to mention that
[20:30] <thiebaude> ok cya guys  later going to do an upgrade, i never had beta problems since 6.06
[20:32] <yofel> IdleOne: there were 64bit nspluginwrapper issues yesterday, but that was failing to install
[20:33] <IdleOne> yofel: so there is no fix at this time is what you are telling me :/
[20:33] <yofel> well, I'm not sure, I'm on my EeePC currently (32bit)
[20:33] <yofel> as long as you have ia32-libs ...ubuntu11 you shouldn't have yesterdays bug
[20:34] <yofel> how does it fail anyway?
[20:34] <IdleOne> let me check version on ia32libs
[20:34] <IdleOne> just tells me I am missing a plugin when trying to watch video on youtube
[20:35] <IdleOne> 35 packages to upgrade...maybe just maybe it will fix itself
[20:37] <IdleOne> ia32-libs:
[20:37] <IdleOne>   Installed: 20090808ubuntu11
[20:39] <IdleOne> well the update didn't help me
[20:45] <trism> IdleOne: is it listed in about:plugins?
[20:45] <AnAnt> Hello, is the beta1 released yet ?
[20:46] <gyger> yofel: any ideas on my problem?
[20:46] <yofel> gyger: without the actual error message instead of 'exit status 2' - no
[20:47] <gyger> i pasted it...
[20:47] <gyger> i thought
[20:47] <yofel> gyger: there should be a message before the errors you pasted
[20:48] <guntbert> AnAnt:  the /topic will tell you: not yet  :)
[20:48] <gyger> heres the entire thing...
[20:48] <gyger> Setting up firefox (4.0~rc2+build3+nobinonly-0ubuntu1) ...
[20:48] <gyger> ***Your system has been left in a broken state by a third party package***
[20:48] <gyger> This is usually caused by installing packages from Ubuntuzilla. Fixing this now
[20:48] <gyger> dpkg-divert: error: mismatch on package
[20:48] <gyger>   when removing `diversion of /usr/bin/firefox by firefox'
[20:48] <gyger>   found `local diversion of /usr/bin/firefox to /usr/bin/firefox.ubuntu'
[20:48] <gyger> dpkg: error processing firefox (--configure):
[20:48] <gyger>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[20:48] <gyger> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of firefox-globalmenu:
[20:48] <gyger>  firefox-globalmenu depends on firefox (= 4.0~rc2+build3+nobinonly-0ubuntu1); however:
[20:48] <gyger>   Package firefox is not configured yet.
[20:48] <gyger> dpkg: error processing firefox-globalmenu (--configure):
[20:48] <gyger>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[20:48] <gyger> No apport report written because the error message indicates its a followup error from a previous failure.
[20:48] <guntbert> !paste | gyger
[20:48] <gyger>                           Errors were encountered while processing:
[20:48] <AnAnt> I see some DVD images on cdimage.ubuntu.com, but no CD images
[20:48] <yofel> !pastebin | gyger (next time please...)
[20:48] <gyger>  firefox
[20:48] <gyger>  firefox-globalmenu
[20:48] <gyger> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[20:49] <IdleOne> trism: npwrapper.libflashplayer is in about:plugins
[20:49] <Pici> gyger: Please use a pastebin. Don't paste into this channel.
[20:49] <yofel> urgh, why the hell does a manual package use dpkg-divert...
[20:49] <yofel> *manual install
[20:50] <gyger> i don't know
[20:50] <charlie-tca> n
[20:50] <yofel> hey charlie-tca
[20:50] <yofel> gyger: can you pastebin the output of 'dpkg-divert --list firefox' ?
[20:50] <Pici> !pastebin
[20:51] <charlie-tca> hello, yofel
[20:51] <gyger> yofel: theres nothing
[20:52] <yofel> gyger: hm... and dpkg-divert --list /usr/bin/firefox ?
[20:53] <gyger> local diversion of /usr/bin/firefox to /usr/bin/firefox.ubuntu
[20:54] <tasslehoff> is upgrading via apt from 10.10 to 11.04 likely to work atm?
[20:54] <skyjumper> tasslehoff: worked for me the other day
[20:55] <tasslehoff> skyjumper: cool. guess I'll take the chance :)
[20:56] <skyjumper> keep in mind i wasn't using proprietary drivers tho
[20:56] <needhelp1> OMG ubuntu is reporting that beta 1 is out
[20:56] <needhelp1> still no official updates from ubuntu
[20:56] <charlie-tca> They always try to beat the official announcements
[20:56] <charlie-tca> Sometimes as much as two days early, but that doesn't make them right, either.
[20:57] <yofel> gyger: hm, you can try 'dpkg-divert --remove /usr/bin/firefox'
[20:57] <yofel> if that doesn't work read the manpage and see if you can figure something out..
[20:58] <nperry> Anyone use 1&1?
[20:58] <nperry> "INSTANT DOMAIN ACTIVATION" adverts.
[20:59] <nperry> When you purchase, "you'll get an email within 24 hours to confirm activation"
[20:59]  * gyger does the happy dance
[20:59] <nperry> 4 hours down the road :/
[20:59] <gyger> yofel: THANK YOU!
[20:59] <yofel> oh cool ^^
[21:00] <charlie-tca> nperry: mine activate within 24 hours using Hostgator. sometimes much quicker than that, too
[21:00] <nperry> Humm random tweet from ubuntdevs "er"
[21:00] <nperry> 1&1 seemed to be the cheapest for .co.uk
[21:01] <nperry> Becuase they did the first year 40p cheaper
[21:04] <guntbert> !ot | nperry
[21:05] <nperry> Oh my bad, wrong window :)
[21:05] <nperry> Only just noticed.
[21:05] <guntbert> nperry: I *could* have asked :-)
[22:54] <magn3ts> Anyone having any success installing the Natty beta in a VM?
[23:03] <charlie-tca> VirtualBox, yes
[23:14]  * penguin42 had the alpha install in kvm with a couple of hickups
[23:15] <jfi> magn3ts, natty works fine in virtualbox (with a maverick host)
[23:17] <sagredo> hi
[23:17] <sagredo> I tried to test natty and I can no longer boot
[23:17] <sagredo> into x
[23:17] <sagredo> bunch of verticle lines... I try to > startx < and it says fatal error: no screens
[23:17] <sagredo> any suggestions?
[23:17] <penguin42> sagredo: What hardware ?
[23:18] <sagredo> 2.4c, nvidia geforce 5200fx
[23:18] <sagredo> 128MB graphical memory
[23:18] <BUGabundo> and its out.... one hour close to mid night :P
[23:18] <penguin42> hmm I don't know Nvidia stuff myself
[23:19] <sagredo> is there a new command to start the graphical login
[23:20] <BUGabundo> startx?
[23:20] <sagredo> _new_
[23:20] <BUGabundo> service gdm start
[23:20] <BUGabundo> gdm start
[23:20] <sagredo> cool
[23:20] <BUGabundo> something like that
[23:20] <sagredo> command not found
[23:20] <penguin42> sounds more like driver trouble though
[23:20] <sagredo> service not recognized
[23:20] <BUGabundo> assuming you have GDM :P
[23:21] <sagredo> hrmmm
[23:21] <sagredo> sux for me
[23:22] <penguin42> BUGabundo: The life clock for this instantiation of this channel is starting to flash red again
[23:23] <BUGabundo> ?
[23:23] <sagredo> what is the header package for 2-6.35.25-generic kernel?
[23:23] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Reference to 1) The fact that +1 will disappear again in a few weeks and 2) The film Logan's Run
[23:23] <sagredo> I am gettign a fail when trying to update that
[23:23] <sagredo> what isl ogan's run about
[23:25] <genii-around> There's not really a short answer to that one
[23:25] <BUGabundo> penguin42: believe it or not, its that part of the year that costs me the most... even if I'm not present as much as I used to , I love you guys, and we are all a big and special family !
[23:25] <BUGabundo> life changes, jobs change, interests changes.
[23:25] <BUGabundo> bur real friends are always there
[23:25] <charlie-tca> It's here! Natty Narwhal Beta1
[23:26] <penguin42> sagredo: OT, see IMDB; classic 60/70's post-apocolyptic sci-fi film - watch it (not the remake)
[23:27] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: I got the email 30 min ago LOL
[23:29] <sagredo> yo
[23:29] <sagredo> how can I update to the beta
[23:29] <Pici> sagredo: What are you running now?
[23:30] <sagredo> no idea
[23:30] <Pici> sagredo: You don't know what release of Ubuntu you are using?
[23:30] <sagredo> well
[23:31] <sagredo> I tried to update to alpha3
[23:31] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: are you no longer interested in Ubuntu? Are you all for android these days? :)
[23:31] <sagredo> but right after GRUB I get a bunch of verticle lines
[23:31] <sagredo> and have to hard restart :/
[23:31] <Pici> !final
[23:31] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: I been busy!
[23:32] <BUGabundo> sagredo: lsb_release -a
[23:32] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: I have, as always had, many interessted
[23:32] <BUGabundo> for a time my main hobby was Ubuntu
[23:32] <BUGabundo> till recently Android was it
[23:32] <BUGabundo> no more either
[23:33] <kklimonda> oh
[23:33] <BUGabundo> plus I'm tired
[23:33] <sagredo> looks like
[23:33] <sagredo> I made the last minutes of alpha :D
[23:33] <BUGabundo> I've just been on a roll of bad stuff with some good bits in it
[23:33] <sagredo> natty 10.04 dev
[23:34] <charlie-tca> sagredo: natty 11.04
[23:34] <sagredo> lol
[23:34] <sagredo> ya
[23:34] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: http://p.bugabundo.net/why-why-wont-you-leave-me-alone-murphy-what-h
[23:35] <charlie-tca> I saw that. Is that the new car?
[23:36] <sagredo> okay dudes
[23:37] <sagredo> I was going to try to install some xorg experimental drivers but it says dpkg is locked
[23:37] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: its 3yo... still, my car
[23:37] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: ah, aren't we all tired? All I can think of recently is how to make some money, and how much I suck :)
[23:38] <charlie-tca> that was a car in really good shape for 3 years!
[23:38]  * penguin42 went for a nice walk by the sea today; takes the mind off sucky stuff
[23:38] <BUGabundo> thanks. I try my best
[23:38] <kklimonda> yeah, it does look really nice on those photos, especially on the second one. On the other hand it's dark, and the photo was probably taken with the phone :)
[23:38] <charlie-tca> kklimonda: when you come up with the money maker, I would like to know, too.
[23:39] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: meh... even tuffer for me... no client to work for.. .going on a few interviews but nothing secured!
[23:39] <kklimonda> penguin42: yeah, at least the weather is getting better
[23:43] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: bah, at least you have balls to go for interviews. I'm currently at the "holy shit, I'm so screwed, I should probably end it right now" part of getting out of the pretty severe case of depression.. :)
[23:45] <penguin42> ah good way to silence a channel
[23:45] <irvie> just FYI banshee doesn't display my ipod in the menu. works in rhythmbox and shows up in nautilus
[23:45] <kklimonda> yeah :)
[23:45] <irvie> i believe it's a 4th gen 30gb
[23:46] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: I'll be celebrating that by watching 127 hours movie
[23:46] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: I still can't decide whether the movie is positive or not. I'm not up to for watching some sad stories lately :)
[23:47] <BUGabundo> most of the month home... I've watched *everything* else I had
[23:48] <elias> what could cause my notification area icons to go missing after an upgrade?
[23:48] <kklimonda> elias: switching to unity
[23:48] <elias> forgot to mention, i'm in gnome (i think)
[23:49] <elias> i.e. it looks like it always did, so i'm fairly certain :)
[23:49] <elias> just there's four black icons with a red circle where the notification icons were
[23:50] <kklimonda> try adding the notification area.. oh, so you have some icons? black icons with a red circle.. try changing the theme
[23:51] <elias> any specific theme?
[23:52] <kklimonda> some non-ubuntu one with different icon set
[23:53] <kklimonda> black icon with a red circle sounds like an icon that shows when you are missing the real icon
[23:54] <Wicked> hello all. Will virtualbox guest additions work in the 11.04 beta1?
[23:54] <penguin42> elias: it also sometimes happens if the name of the icon changed - e.g. I think I had it in a change of firefox versions once or more
[23:54] <Wicked> i had issues with them in the alpha
[23:58] <elias> hm, changing themes made keyboard and mouse input freeze, had to ssh back into irc
[23:58] <elias> that is the mouse cursor moves, just no clicks are registered