[00:00] <penguin42> That's in Natty's kernel I think
[00:01] <Tetsuo55> but i cannot just use that on maverick can i?
[00:02] <yofel> well, you can try to install it, there isn't a supported method to do that though
[01:03] <trinikrono> can we do anything about the failed to install/upgrade bugs?
[01:04] <charlie-tca> depends on what failed
[01:04] <charlie-tca> Most of this is failed to install/upgrade - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingInstallationIssues
[01:08] <trinikrono> thanks charlie-tca i am not sure how i did not see that on the debugging procedure page lol
[01:13] <charlie-tca> It is not the easiest page to spot.
[01:14] <charlie-tca> but it is one I use a lot
[01:19] <trinikrono> i am looking at bug 615222
[01:19] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 615222 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "package nautilus-data 1:2.30.1-0ubuntu1.1 failed to install/upgrade: (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/615222
[01:20] <trinikrono> which one of the files do we look . the VarLogDistupgradeMainlog.gz? charlie-tca
[01:20] <charlie-tca> terminal log
[01:21] <charlie-tca> or termlog
[01:22] <charlie-tca> or VarLogDistupgradeApttermlog
[01:22] <charlie-tca> If there isn't anything in those, look in Mainlog
[01:23] <charlie-tca> You will usually find an error at the end of the log, then search for the error farther up in the log to see what caused it
[01:24] <trinikrono> its looks to be in russian =\
[01:25] <charlie-tca> Can you translate it?
[01:25] <trinikrono> i am english only
[01:26] <charlie-tca> bug number?
[01:26] <trinikrono> bug 615222
[01:26] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 615222 in nautilus (Ubuntu) "package nautilus-data 1:2.30.1-0ubuntu1.1 failed to install/upgrade: (affects: 2) (heat: 16)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/615222
[01:26] <hggdh> it is russian, on karmic
[01:26]  * charlie-tca done them in russian, french, chinese, and a few more
[01:27] <trinikrono> in the description it has a line that says dpkg: error while cleaning -
[01:27] <trinikrono> can i tell him to try the apt-get clean ?
[01:27] <trinikrono> or is that something else
[01:28] <charlie-tca> let me look at it
[01:32] <charlie-tca> The actual issue started about line 6068 of VarLogDistupgradeTermlog.gz
[01:32] <charlie-tca> I just pasted it to the report for you to see it
[01:34] <charlie-tca> The reporter should make sure he does not have old ppa's or pinned applications.
[01:37] <charlie-tca> trinikrono: I would have them try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingInstallationIssues#Known%20issues
[01:37] <trinikrono> to clean the archive? charlie-tca
[01:37] <charlie-tca> If may not clear it, though.
[01:37] <charlie-tca> yes, since he already tried to force completion.
[01:38] <trinikrono> how did you figure that out in russian charlie-tca
[01:38] <charlie-tca> Many times, that is all it takes
[01:38] <charlie-tca> google translate
[01:38] <trinikrono> :D
[01:39] <charlie-tca> I seached for "пакет nautilus-data" which is the first part of the error message in the description, then just translated the lines I thought should be involved
[01:39] <charlie-tca> Experience tells you how many lines are involved in the error
[01:40] <charlie-tca> Got to go now
[01:40] <trinikrono> thanks charlie-tca
[01:42] <trinikrono> i dont get why apport cant send log files in english lol
[01:56] <charlie-tca> because it can't translate them?
[02:27] <_useless_> group perms r-s allow user to cd into /dir locally but not over NFS.  uid's and gid's are properly synced.  Is this a bug?
[02:30] <_useless_> user1@nfsserver$ ls -ld /dir-local
[02:30] <_useless_> drwxr-s--- 5 owner1 group1 1024 2011-03-30 20:56 /dir-local
[02:31] <_useless_> user1@nfsserver$ grep group1 /etc/group
[02:31] <_useless_> group1:x:1010:user1
[02:32] <_useless_> user1@nfsserver$ groups user1
[02:32] <_useless_> user1 : user1 group1
[02:32] <_useless_> # now going to nfsclient
[02:33] <_useless_> user1@nfsclient$ grep group1 /etc/group
[02:33] <_useless_> group1:x:1010:user1
[02:34] <_useless_> user1@nfsclient$ groups user1
[02:34] <_useless_> user1 : user1 group1
[02:34] <_useless_> df -k |grep dir-local
[02:35] <_useless_> nfsserver:/dir-local   99328  22528  71680  24% /dir-remote
[02:35] <_useless_> user1@nfsclient$ ls -ld /dir-remote
[02:36] <_useless_> drwxr-s--- 5 owner1 group1 1024 2011-03-30 20:56 /dir-remote
[02:36] <_useless_> # so as a member of group1 on nfsclient I should be able to cd into /dir-remote
[02:37] <_useless_> # well hell, now it works.
[02:37] <_useless_> # nevermind :)
[02:38] <_useless_> # I swear I was getting Permission Denied 10 minutes ago.  I guess NFS takes a while to sync itself up?
[07:12] <Abhijit> hi guys and gilrs
[07:12] <Abhijit> aaaah
[07:12] <Abhijit> girls i mean
[17:12] <hggdh> vish: available for a quick question?
[17:12] <vish> hggdh: yup, o/
[18:26] <mikesanderson78> hello
[20:54] <trinikrono> what should we work on for global jam, natty?
[20:55] <hggdh> natty ideally, we are one month from releasing it
[20:58] <trinikrono> hggdh: and we will be doing it in test drive or should i make them work in manual installs
[20:58] <hggdh> trinikrono: whatever works better for you. I usually run under a VM
[21:04] <Varc> Hello, anyone here is from the Mentorship bugsquad alpha group?
[21:06] <hggdh> Varc: there is always someone on with experience
[21:07] <hggdh> and certainly some mentors (myself included)
[21:07] <Varc> I wanna talk with a mentor i'm a mentee.
[21:07] <Varc> Oh, who you are?
[21:07] <hggdh> hggdh :-)
[21:07] <trinikrono> lol
[21:07] <micahg> he's the mentor's mentor :)
[21:08] <Varc> Well, i'm new in the Mentorship group and first thanks for the help in the Mailing list to all the mentors and friends mentees
[21:10] <Varc> Now, i wanna talk with a mentor because i wanna read more about what are the first steps for work in that. For example, i wanna know how can i help with new bugs, i mean a new bug chenck and say "Yes, this is a bug"
[21:10] <hggdh> Varc: you do not need a mentor to ask questions in this channel... *any* of us can answer your questions
[21:11] <Varc> Sure, but i wanna do all perfect for help and learn a little more
[21:15] <hggdh> Varc: from me -- give me a few minutes, awfully busy
[21:15] <Varc> No problem, i will be here working in my site
[21:39] <vish> charlie-tca: hggdh: can we add xteejx to mentors? (he sent an application to BC list to be a mentor)
[21:42] <charlie-tca> I think so. He has the experience
[21:43] <vish> udienz: you should consider applying to BugControl.. ;)
[21:47]  * vish waits for hggdh or one other mentor to ACK as well.. 
[21:47] <vish> (we have 2 ACKs; me and charlie-tca )
[21:48] <Varc> What is "ASK" ?
[21:48] <Varc> "ACK"**
[21:48] <vish> Varc: Acknowledge :)
[21:48]  * vish lazy ;p
[21:55] <hggdh> vish: ack
[21:55] <vish> hggdh: thanks. :)
[21:56] <hggdh> Varc: comes from the TCP/IP stack -- ACK and NAK are stardard replies
[21:56] <hggdh> Varc: OK, what can we do for you?
[21:58] <Varc> I wanna help but first i need learn how. I don't speak english as well that's why maybe i ask things who are in the Ubuntu site. I wanna know what are the steps for work with the Bug Squad
[22:01] <hggdh> Varc: you should start by reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/KnowledgeBase
[22:01] <hggdh> Varc: this page starts with a series of classes we gave on triaging
[22:01] <hggdh> and it has a *LOT* of useful information
[22:03] <Varc> hggdh: I see, i will to read all this and if i have any question can i ask here or in the mailing list?
[22:04] <hggdh> Varc: you can do either. In here, *anyone* can answer your questions, you do not need to have a mentor to answer them
[22:05] <Varc> hggdh: Great, i will the read it and come here again for start to work.
[22:06] <hggdh> Varc: welcome :-)
[22:06] <Varc> hggdh: But first tell me one thing: the Bug squad and the MentorShip Squad are the same thing? I mean, is the same people?
[22:35] <hggdh> Varc: the mentorship team is composed by bud-squadders (actually, bug-controllers) and starting bug-squadders
[22:35] <hggdh> Varc: the mentors are all in bugSquad
[22:36] <Varc> hddgh: Perfect, thanks you very much
[22:46] <yofel> bdmurray: where did http://people.canonical.com/~brian/greasemonkey/bugsquad-replies.xml get synced from again? IIRC you said ubuntu-qa-tools, but I updated the papercut response 2 days ago and the file is still the same.
[22:49] <bdmurray> yofel: right, I need to do that manually
[22:49] <bdmurray> yofel: doing so now
[22:50] <bdmurray> yofel: done
[22:51] <yofel> thanks. (can't that be done by cron?)
[22:55] <yofel> ah well, off for the night, good night
[22:55] <bdmurray> yeah, there is a lot more in that branch though.  I'll think about it thanks.
[23:08] <bdmurray> Can anybody else recreate bug 683904?
[23:08] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 683904 in memtest86+ (Ubuntu) "natty: memtest86+ fails to run, reboots immediately (affects: 8) (dups: 1) (heat: 40)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683904
[23:10] <charlie-tca> Let me try on hardware. I have a fresh installation here
[23:12] <charlie-tca> wow
[23:13] <charlie-tca> bdmurray: confirmed. Never even started the test. It just reboots immediately
[23:13] <dota> well thats sounds serious
[23:14] <bdmurray> charlie-tca: that's a fresh install with only Ubuntu?
[23:15] <charlie-tca> yes, on a 2.8GHz P4
[23:15] <charlie-tca> let's hit the serial console test and see what it does, huh?
[23:15] <bdmurray> probably the same
[23:16] <charlie-tca> same results, it just reboots without even trying the test
[23:16] <bdmurray> okay, thanks!
[23:16] <charlie-tca> It is faster than Ctrl+Alt+Del to restart
[23:16] <charlie-tca> Want me to comment the bug?
[23:20] <hggdh> well, this may then be a feature ;-)