| TheMuso | c | 01:46 |
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| * RAOF puts on his second jumper and curses colds. | 01:48 | |
| TheMuso | Yeah its cool in Sydney too. | 01:48 |
| robert_ancell | kenvandine, are you still there? | 02:04 |
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| kenvandine | robert_ancell, hey | 03:42 |
| robert_ancell | kenvandine, oh, hey again. Still there now? | 04:18 |
| robert_ancell | ;) | 04:18 |
| kenvandine | robert_ancell, yup | 04:20 |
| kenvandine | robert_ancell, what's up? | 04:20 |
| robert_ancell | hey, are the libraries supposed to be in /usr/lib | 04:21 |
| robert_ancell | or in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu? | 04:22 |
| robert_ancell | kenvandine, ^ | 04:25 |
| kenvandine | /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu? | 04:25 |
| kenvandine | for amd64 | 04:25 |
| kenvandine | $(DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH) | 04:25 |
| kenvandine | robert_ancell, but GIR doesn't work if you put the typelibs there | 04:26 |
| robert_ancell | kenvandine, right, I wasn't sure if you were moving them from the built location, but looking again I see that was only the GI files that moved | 04:26 |
| kenvandine | which basically means they will conflict if you installed both arches | 04:26 |
| kenvandine | yeah, i was experimenting with that | 04:26 |
| kenvandine | GIR doesn't find the typelib in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/girepository-1.0 | 04:27 |
| kenvandine | so those still need to go in /usr/lib | 04:27 |
| robert_ancell | So the fix is to put it in a private location and use GI_TYPELIB_PATH | 04:27 |
| kenvandine | cool | 04:27 |
| robert_ancell | kenvandine, so, I'm confused. What's the point of having multiple versions of libraries if the binaries don't have multiple versions? | 04:27 |
| kenvandine | :) | 04:27 |
| kenvandine | robert_ancell, it is a goal | 04:27 |
| robert_ancell | is that the next step? | 04:28 |
| kenvandine | to be able to install i386 and amd64 side by side | 04:28 |
| kenvandine | but i pointed out the typelib problem to pitti today | 04:28 |
| kenvandine | it works for everything else | 04:28 |
| kenvandine | so we need to sort out having multiarch typelibs | 04:29 |
| vish | Amaranth: hi.. around? | 06:17 |
| vish | or anyone who knows/dealt-with compiz packaging.. :D | 06:18 |
| Amaranth | uh oh | 06:19 |
| Amaranth | vish: what's up? | 06:19 |
| vish | Amaranth: could you take a look at Bug #438868 ? :) | 06:19 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 438868 in compiz "Numerous applications have focus issues after emerging from a screensaver or suspend" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/438868 | 06:20 |
| Amaranth | oh, ha | 06:20 |
| vish | seems it could be an SRU.. | 06:20 |
| Amaranth | Uh, unless there is a patch attached I'm not the person to talk to | 06:21 |
| vish | the bug doesnt affect natty, (compiz 0.9.4) | 06:21 |
| vish | Amaranth: the git commit link is there | 06:21 |
| Amaranth | vish: Oh, right, maniac ftw | 06:21 |
| Amaranth | vish: I have no experience with making SRU packages and don't have any kind of maverick environment | 06:22 |
| Amaranth | I can poke at it this weekend or something maybe otherwise I'd poke didrocks or seb128 | 06:23 |
| Amaranth | didrocks because he does most of the compiz packaging lately and seb128 because he is awesome ;) | 06:23 |
| vish | ;) | 06:23 |
| micahg | vish: are you sure it doesn't affect natty? I thought I saw some people complaining in that bug about natty | 06:23 |
| vish | micahg: second last comment | 06:23 |
| vish | make that third last, i forgot my comment :D | 06:24 |
| vish | Amaranth: SRU process i can try but I dont have any experience packaging compiz :D ,hence poked you, i guess we could wait for didrocks or seb128 | 06:25 |
| Amaranth | compiz 0.9.x git does not have this fix forward ported | 06:25 |
| Amaranth | Unless we've got a distro patch... | 06:25 |
| Amaranth | So we should port this to 0.9.x and make sure it actually fixes the problem | 06:26 |
| vish | hmm, there is another comment saying it does not affect natty; #161 | 06:30 |
| Amaranth | vish: Yeah, I had an outdated checkout, that patch was forward ported | 07:06 |
| vish | cool! now, we'd have to get it in 0.8.6 | 07:08 |
| Amaranth | Too bad we couldn't just pull 0.8.8 completely | 07:12 |
| Amaranth | afaik it's nothing but bug fixes | 07:12 |
| Amaranth | For those kinds of bugs | 07:13 |
| vish | Amaranth: if its just bug fixes, we could try to get 0.8.8 itself, i guess | 07:16 |
| vish | assuming the bugs are either in lp or compiz bugzilla | 07:17 |
| micahg | vish: I doubt that'll fly for compiz | 07:21 |
| vish | micahg: yup, hence the "could try" :) | 07:21 |
| vish | micahg: or is that easier for backports? (though we have 0.9.4 in natty) | 07:31 |
| vish | if someone backports 0.9.4 _that_ would be awesome ;) | 07:31 |
| * vish looks wishfully at Amaranth ;p | 07:32 | |
| Amaranth | Yeah, the DX team has already shot that down | 07:33 |
| Amaranth | You'd have to backport half of natty to get a natty compiz package to work sanely in a maverick environment, apparently | 07:33 |
| Amaranth | I haven't looked in to why | 07:33 |
| vish | oh! :( | 07:34 |
| Amaranth | Probably assumptions about unity existing which means you have to do unity too and then you get to fall down that hole | 07:34 |
| micahg | vish: it would probably be better to cherry pick the commit that was identified, make a good test case and SRU | 07:34 |
| htorque | good morning, everyone! may i ask you to check if bug 745989 has been filed against the right package? (or is this more appropriate at #ubuntu-bugs?) | 07:42 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 745989 in gnome-power-manager "Unlock screen shown before system has finished suspending" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745989 | 07:42 |
| vish | htorque: are you selecting suspend from indicator-session? | 07:43 |
| htorque | vish, yes | 07:43 |
| vish | htorque: thats most probably an indicator-session issue, there is a bug with a patch but tedg closed it as opinion ;) | 07:44 |
| vish | htorque: not fully sure, but there has been this issue of lock showing up due to the indicator calling the lock on its own | 07:45 |
| htorque | vish, it also happens when initiating suspend via Fn+F4 (= suspend) | 07:45 |
| vish | lock screen* | 07:45 |
| vish | htorque: not sure then.. you could try the patch and see if that fixes the issue .. ;) | 07:46 |
| htorque | vish, could i rule out indicators by using a classic session and remove the applets from the panel? | 07:48 |
| * vish not sure, but Bug #636693 is what i thought could be the cause | 07:51 | |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 636693 in indicator-session "Premature lock when launching guest session" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/636693 | 07:51 |
| vish | htorque: Bug #599351 | 07:53 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 599351 in indicator-session "suspend + unlock dialog" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/599351 | 07:53 |
| htorque | vish, thanks, marked mine as dupe | 07:55 |
| vish | htorque: maybe open the gdm task in that one? | 07:56 |
| htorque | vish, not sure i can do that (i'm just a regular user :-)) | 08:00 |
| vish | htorque: anyone can open new tasks ;p | 08:01 |
| vish | bonus if you can identify where the bug is ;) | 08:01 |
| pitti | Good morning | 08:05 |
| htorque | vish, i uninstalled indicator-session, indicator-applet-session, rebooted, and still can trigger it | 08:15 |
| vish | htorque: cool! then i guess as GunnajH mentions there were 2bugs , might be gdm issue too | 08:18 |
| didrocks | hey pitti, htorque | 08:21 |
| didrocks | morning vish | 08:21 |
| * pitti waves | 08:21 | |
| htorque | hi, didrocks :) | 08:21 |
| vish | didrocks: hi.. | 08:21 |
| rodrigo_ | morning | 08:33 |
| desrt | rodrigo_: hihi | 08:33 |
| rodrigo_ | hey desrt | 08:34 |
| chrisccoulson | good morning everyone | 08:35 |
| didrocks | hey rodrigo_, desrt, chrisccoulson | 08:35 |
| chrisccoulson | hi didrocks, how are you? | 08:35 |
| didrocks | chrisccoulson: tired! but fine thanks, and you? | 08:35 |
| chrisccoulson | didrocks, yeah, good thanks, but tired too ;) trying to figure out how to use mochitest so i can write a test for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=644621 | 08:36 |
| ubot2 | Mozilla bug 644621 in Selection "Drag selection scrolling does not work properly in fullscreen mode" [Normal,New] | 08:37 |
| pitti | hey chrisccoulson | 08:37 |
| * pitti waves to desrt | 08:37 | |
| chrisccoulson | hi pitti, how are you? | 08:38 |
| pitti | pretty well, thanks! | 08:38 |
| pitti | didrocks: "If you are using the live-CD images, and do not have the 3D drivers installed for your hardware, you may see a message like "Sorry you don't have 3D support, install it for your graphic hardware to get Unity or please reboot and select "Classic Session" at startup." -> should we still keep this in the release notes? I haven't seen it any more | 08:40 |
| pitti | jibel: ^ did you? | 08:40 |
| jibel | pitti, no, I didn't. | 08:42 |
| jibel | it silently falls back to classic desktop | 08:42 |
| pitti | ok, thanks for confirming | 08:43 |
| didrocks | pitti: oh? it should be there | 08:44 |
| didrocks | let me check the code if it changed, but it shouldn't | 08:45 |
| pitti | didrocks: it doesn't make sense on a live system, though? I certainly didn't see it in kvm | 08:45 |
| didrocks | pitti: yeah, but it didn't specified the live system case anyway, would be something to do | 08:45 |
| didrocks | oh oh | 08:47 |
| didrocks | pitti: can you log a bug and assign to me? I'll give it a look when I have a chance | 08:48 |
| didrocks | so two things: -> no message on live (I think checking for the "Ubuntu" user is enough? | 08:48 |
| didrocks | -> bring back the message | 08:48 |
| pitti | didrocks: we usually check for [ -d /rofs ] | 08:48 |
| pitti | didrocks: against gnome-session? | 08:48 |
| didrocks | pitti: found the bug :) | 08:50 |
| didrocks | iMessage instead of Message, thanks vi ;) | 08:50 |
| didrocks | pitti: yeah, instead gnome-session :) | 08:50 |
| didrocks | I should have edited the patch later and double ii by inadvertance, grrr :/ | 08:50 |
| didrocks | sorry about that | 08:51 |
| pitti | didrocks: there, bug 746266 | 08:52 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 746266 in gnome-session "bring back missing 3D support warning" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746266 | 08:52 |
| didrocks | pitti: thanks a lot :) | 08:54 |
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| seb128 | hey desktopers | 09:02 |
| rodrigo_ | hi seb128 | 09:14 |
| seb128 | hey rodrigo_, how are you? | 09:15 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, fine thanks, and you? | 09:15 |
| seb128 | I'm great thanks | 09:15 |
| seb128 | pitti, bug #745347 is a know indicator issue | 09:15 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 745347 in gdm "'universal access' icon missing from gdm login screen" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745347 | 09:15 |
| pitti | hey seb128 | 09:16 |
| seb128 | pitti, it's a side effect of the fix for the gicon crash from yesterday | 09:16 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, thanks; would you mind updating it? | 09:16 |
| seb128 | pitti, can do | 09:16 |
| pitti | cheers | 09:16 |
| seb128 | pitti, hey indeed, how are you? ;-) | 09:16 |
| pitti | pretty good, thanks! just depressing to edit the endless bug list on the tech overview | 09:17 |
| seb128 | those being mostly compiz issues? | 09:17 |
| seb128 | I didn't notice lot of desktop bugs which came from the beta testing | 09:17 |
| seb128 | where desktop is desktop out of the ui unity | 09:18 |
| seb128 | unity ui rather | 09:18 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 09:18 |
| pitti | all sorts of things really | 09:18 |
| rickspencer3 | hey all | 09:30 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, pitti ... beta 1 today, what's the word on the street? | 09:30 |
| pitti | hey rickspencer3 | 09:30 |
| seb128 | hey rickspencer3 | 09:30 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: wubi is broken, the rest seems to work by and large | 09:30 |
| rickspencer3 | I heard about wubi | 09:31 |
| pitti | didrocks: against gnome-session?https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview <- if you feel like proofreading, please do | 09:31 |
| rickspencer3 | from what I heard, it's actually a bug in grub, right? | 09:31 |
| pitti | depressing number of known issues, but that's also because they have non-critical stuff now | 09:31 |
| pitti | yes | 09:31 |
| didrocks | pitti: ok, will do (OTP for now) :) | 09:31 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, seems fine from where I sit but pitti suggested there is quite some issues to document | 09:31 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, does everyone one of those bugs need to be documented? | 09:31 |
| pitti | didrocks: sorry, that was IRC fail | 09:31 |
| seb128 | so I guess it's a matter of perspective | 09:31 |
| rickspencer3 | that seems a bit overkill | 09:31 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: just updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview <- if you feel like proofreading, please do | 09:32 |
| * rickspencer3 looks | 09:32 | |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, I would bother but I've nothing to do with that ;-) | 09:32 |
| pitti | didrocks: I don't know what's going on, recently weechat seems to act up and randomly put parts of older conversations in my current line | 09:32 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, so, how do you feel about the beta, are we on track for a good final release, or does it look too buggy these days? | 09:32 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: once the million unity crashes get fixed, it's looking really good IMHO | 09:33 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, are all the crashers in compiz? | 09:33 |
| didrocks | pitti: oh reallly? didn't experience that | 09:33 |
| pitti | unity in beta-1 itself is, well, a "challenge" to work with :) | 09:33 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, interesting, so long as I don't try to use a beamer/projector it works well for me | 09:33 |
| pitti | didrocks: oh, btw, unity also crashes with just the laptop, so it's not (just?) a multi-monitor thing | 09:34 |
| pitti | but anyway, you said that was in the pipeline already | 09:34 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, as long as I don't try to start a second session it works fine here | 09:34 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, but guest session is crash land | 09:34 |
| pitti | the unity decorator fails there, yes | 09:34 |
| didrocks | pitti: the crashes or mostly signals not being disconnected, so affect both one or two monitors | 09:34 |
| pitti | otherwise multiple sessions work here | 09:34 |
| rickspencer3 | ok | 09:34 |
| didrocks | pitti: I pinged sam about that and set it as a priority | 09:34 |
| rickspencer3 | so ... I think we've stopped all churn, and can focus 100% on bugs from here out | 09:34 |
| pitti | and we really need to buy more beer for smspillaz to fix the shadow spillover; this is confusing as hell | 09:35 |
| seb128 | pitti, "In an Ubuntu Classic Session, Compiz crashes after enabling the effects in "Visual Effects" tab. (685682) " | 09:35 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, pitti, didrocks is there anything I should know about that is work that is not fixing bugs? | 09:35 |
| seb128 | pitti, we don't have a visual effect take since alpha2 or something | 09:35 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: sabdfl ack'ed the new scrollbars, so that will land | 09:35 |
| didrocks | rickspencer3: there are some UI freeze exception | 09:35 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, will remove that then, thanks | 09:35 |
| seb128 | take -> tab | 09:35 |
| rickspencer3 | yeah yeah | 09:35 |
| didrocks | some still need to be written | 09:35 |
| rickspencer3 | didrocks, is any of that work that will cause churn that will detract from bug fixing? | 09:36 |
| pitti | seb128: I'll just move it to the general "crashes often" line | 09:36 |
| didrocks | rickspencer3: let's say there is one person full time not on bug fixing in total | 09:36 |
| didrocks | sorry, have to be back on mumble, bbiab | 09:36 |
| huats | morning | 09:37 |
| rickspencer3 | didrocks, who is the one person? | 09:37 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: Cimi, I guess | 09:37 |
| didrocks | rickspencer3: it's just a time estimation, not really someone full time, but dispatching | 09:38 |
| seb128 | pitti, no, Cimi is not counted as unity team ressource | 09:38 |
| rickspencer3 | didrocks, ack | 09:38 |
| pitti | seb128: I thought he'd work on the scrollbars? | 09:38 |
| seb128 | pitti, he was missioned clearly on scrollbars or would be doing gtk3 theming otherwise | 09:38 |
| seb128 | pitti, right, which is not unity ;-) | 09:38 |
| rickspencer3 | seb128, pitti, can you please let me know asap if the scrollbars are detracting work from fixing other bugs? | 09:39 |
| pitti | right, but he's the "one person"? | 09:39 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, will do | 09:39 |
| rickspencer3 | pitti, I think didrocks meant that didrocks was the one person ;) | 09:39 |
| seb128 | pitti, no, didrocks estimate that other design change cost a one person time work | 09:39 |
| pitti | rickspencer3: didrocks counts as two, at least | 09:39 |
| pitti | ah | 09:39 |
| rickspencer3 | ooh | 09:39 |
| rickspencer3 | didrocks, what is the design change? | 09:40 |
| didrocks | rickspencer3: can we discuss that in 15 minutes? after my mumbling? | 09:40 |
| didrocks | hard to follow both discussions right now :) | 09:40 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, they have been at least changing the way the claim for attention is working, like they will stop showing half icons but turn the bfb blue | 09:40 |
| didrocks | seb128: not the only one unfortunately | 09:40 |
| seb128 | right | 09:40 |
| seb128 | I've seen yesterday you were still discussing the animations to use for the launcher as well | 09:41 |
| seb128 | didrocks, but finish your mumble ;-) | 09:41 |
| seb128 | that's another thing with dx, they spent their life on calls and mumble ;-) | 09:41 |
| seb128 | pitti, so current iso will be the beta ones? do you have any estimation if we will unfreeze today? | 09:49 |
| pitti | seb128: not a precise one, couple of hours | 09:49 |
| pitti | let us finish the CD publishing bits, then we'll discuss that | 09:50 |
| seb128 | ok, so it's "today" | 09:50 |
| seb128 | I was just checking if we can aim at normal indicator update during the u.s day today | 09:50 |
| seb128 | seems we can ;-) | 09:50 |
| seb128 | well in any case we can queue them even if it's still frozen | 09:50 |
| pitti | right | 09:50 |
| seb128 | it's just I try to be careful about queue things to get them unflushed on a friday evening as that happened before | 09:51 |
| seb128 | queuing | 09:51 |
| kamstrup | mvo: i've done some more bg research on https://bugs.launchpad.net/xapian/+bug/745243 please see my last comment | 09:54 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 745243 in unity-foundations "[dash] wrong search result in Chinese" [High,Triaged] | 09:54 |
| kamstrup | seb128: is libicu44 installed by default, or have I just pulled it in as an odd dep somewhere? | 09:59 |
| seb128 | kamstrup, it's installed by default | 09:59 |
| seb128 | kamstrup, libwebkitgtk-1.0-0 depends on it | 09:59 |
| kamstrup | *phew* thanks seb128 :-) | 10:02 |
| seb128 | kamstrup, yw ;-) | 10:02 |
| mvo | kamstrup: thanks! that does indeed not look great | 10:05 |
| vish | seb128: hi, could you approve the Maverick and Lucid compiz tasks for Bug #438868 ? there is a cgit commit link and the change seems pretty simple for an SRU.. | 10:05 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 438868 in compiz "Numerous applications have focus issues after emerging from a screensaver or suspend" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/438868 | 10:05 |
| kamstrup | mvo: it gets worse... look at my comment from 2s ago | 10:06 |
| mvo | *grumpf* | 10:06 |
| mvo | I see | 10:06 |
| vish | seb128: people confirm bug is fixed in natty, and Amaranth also confirmed the patch is in latest compiz 0.9 git | 10:06 |
| seb128 | does it apply to the 0.8 serie? | 10:07 |
| kamstrup | mvo: but I am baffled as to how we haven't seen this bug on S-C before with all the time we've been shipping it? | 10:07 |
| Amaranth | seb128: it was actually fixed in 0.8 first | 10:07 |
| Amaranth | There was an 0.8.8 release recently that is all nice solid bug fixes just like that one | 10:07 |
| dpm | hi pitti, good morning. kyleN was doing some testing with unity-2d and noticed that translations were not installed. It happened that they are in the kde langpack. Do you think we should move them to the general langpack? | 10:08 |
| seb128 | is somebody wanting to work on the sru for those? | 10:08 |
| * vish tried poking Amaranth to do the compiz SRU first, and » <Amaranth> I can poke at it this weekend or something maybe otherwise I'd poke didrocks or seb128 ;) | 10:09 | |
| vish | also : <Amaranth> didrocks because he does most of the compiz packaging lately and seb128 because he is awesome ;) | 10:09 |
| seb128 | don't count on didrocks or me | 10:09 |
| seb128 | we are focused on natty | 10:09 |
| vish | we say good things about you behind your back ;) | 10:09 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 10:09 |
| seb128 | well maybe after the natty freeze | 10:09 |
| seb128 | it doesn't seem there is any hurry for that anyway | 10:09 |
| vish | cool! | 10:09 |
| seb128 | but if someone want to do it before feel free | 10:10 |
| pitti | dpm: not sure for natty, as you'll need qt for it anyway; for oneiric we certainly should, but then we need to reorganize it a bit anyway (like also moving qt translations to the general one) | 10:10 |
| vish | seb128: is 0.8.8 update feasible to expect for an SRU? (as Amaranth mentions it has some nice bug fixes..) | 10:12 |
| vish | 0.8.6 » 0.8.8 | 10:12 |
| vish | or just cherry pick for that bug alone? | 10:12 |
| seb128 | dunno, depends of the number of changes and the diff usually | 10:13 |
| dpm | pitti, ack. I haven't been able to talk to kyleN since yesterday, so I'm not 100% certain on the steps to reproduce, but I assume he did a default install and didn't get the kde langpack installed and thus unity-2d appeared untranslated. Do you have any ideas of what could be done for natty to ensure this does not happen (apart from the reorganization you are mentioning for oneiric)? | 10:14 |
| pitti | dpm: the images which ship unity-2d should install the -kde langpacks for the languages it wants to ship by default | 10:14 |
| pitti | dpm: aside from that, we need to verify that langauge-selector will install the kde ones on unity-2d | 10:15 |
| dpm | pitti, ok, thanks. I'll get kyleN to check out and file a bug if necessary | 10:16 |
| pitti | thanks | 10:16 |
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| pitti | rickspencer3: FYI, I cleaned up the tech overview known issues some more | 10:33 |
| pitti | still very detailled, but at least it doesn't have less important issues or too much technical detail any more | 10:34 |
| pitti | didrocks: does https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview#Unity look alright to you? I updated it a bit, but might have missed something | 10:37 |
| didrocks | pitti: sounds great, session have even been renamed! :) I added just a note on the fglrx driver | 10:45 |
| pitti | didrocks: that's further down in "known issues"; perhaps add it there? | 10:46 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks pitti | 10:47 |
| didrocks | pitti: yeah, I added it there, didn't I? | 10:50 |
| desrt | dbarth: hi | 10:50 |
| pitti | didrocks: ah, I meant my blob which I wrote 3 lines above your's | 10:51 |
| dbarth | desrt: hi | 10:52 |
| desrt | dbarth: did you receive my email? | 10:52 |
| didrocks | pitti: should I merge with it, like "please note that even after the upgrade, Unity won't work with it?" | 10:53 |
| dbarth | desrt: i did. but i'm a bit swamped right now | 10:55 |
| desrt | dbarth: okay. no rush. ping me back when you've had a chance to look it over | 10:55 |
| desrt | one very quick issue that i wonder if you could help me on (unrelated) | 10:56 |
| pitti | didrocks: please do, yes; I think these should be mentioned together | 10:56 |
| desrt | dbarth: i got an email from Darren Spiteri 'via RT'. when i try to reply to RT i get a "Permission denied" message with no further information and i can't seem to find Darren's email | 10:57 |
| seb128 | didrocks, will you do an unity upload this week? | 10:57 |
| didrocks | seb128: yeah, this evening is planned for the release, but as the changes are bigs, I don't want to rush on it. Upload early tomorrow morning after a lot of tests | 10:58 |
| didrocks | pitti: done | 10:58 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ok, I was not sure if we should upload an updated translation template to launchpad manually or wait for the next upload | 10:59 |
| seb128 | didrocks, but seems we can wait for the upload if it's this week | 10:59 |
| didrocks | seb128: Friday sounds fine? | 10:59 |
| didrocks | yeah | 10:59 |
| didrocks | and there is some pending string changes | 10:59 |
| seb128 | didrocks, yeah, I asked in case you were targetting monday | 10:59 |
| seb128 | would be nice to give the weekend to translators to work | 10:59 |
| didrocks | agreed :) | 10:59 |
| didrocks | and monday will be the compiz day | 11:00 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, hey again, do you notice bugs assigned to you from the emails or do you want to be pinged on IRC as well? | 11:00 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ok, thanks | 11:00 |
| didrocks | yw :) | 11:00 |
| dpm | didrocks, seb128 if you guys give me or point me to an updated template, I can upload it manually for you if you like | 11:00 |
| didrocks | dpm: still not fully decided by design, so waiting for a final ack | 11:01 |
| didrocks | oh, not the string change | 11:01 |
| dbarth | desrt: forward it to me | 11:01 |
| didrocks | dpm: well, let's wait on Friday | 11:01 |
| dpm | didrocks, ok | 11:01 |
| didrocks | no need to translate strings that can change | 11:01 |
| seb128 | dpm, thanks, we will on the string changes to land | 11:01 |
| dpm | ok, cool | 11:01 |
| desrt | dbarth: done | 11:02 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, if you ping me on irc I'll see them before, as I get a lot of *cough*spam*cough* from the unity bugs :-) | 11:06 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, ok, ignore the tomboy one and assigned to you and back then, ken already uploaded a fix but he didn't update the bug ;-) | 11:07 |
| pitti | didrocks: merci | 11:07 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, ok | 11:07 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/745721 <- this one, right? | 11:07 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 745721 in tomboy "Ubuntu One sync points to the edge server" [Medium,Fix committed] | 11:07 |
| didrocks | pitti: ywy | 11:07 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, correct ;-) | 11:08 |
| pitti | I need to run out for some errands and lunch, bbl | 11:08 |
| === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic | ||
| === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch | ||
| desrt | why does nautilus have such an odd version number? | 12:27 |
| seb128 | desrt, ? | 12:28 |
| desrt | 1:2.91.94-0ubuntu1~build1 | 12:28 |
| seb128 | what is odd in there? | 12:28 |
| desrt | specifically the 1: at the start | 12:28 |
| seb128 | that's an epoch | 12:28 |
| seb128 | that's the way to say "the version is higher even if the number is not" | 12:28 |
| seb128 | like 1:2.22 > 2.24 | 12:29 |
| desrt | why does nothing else have it? | 12:29 |
| seb128 | that's what you use when you uploaded a newer serie by error | 12:29 |
| chrisccoulson | heh :) | 12:29 |
| seb128 | some other source have it | 12:29 |
| chrisccoulson | yes, it's useful if you screw up the version number :) | 12:29 |
| desrt | ah | 12:29 |
| desrt | so like if you uploaded nautilus 3.0 | 12:29 |
| desrt | you can use 1:2.22 to get back to 2 | 12:29 |
| seb128 | yes | 12:29 |
| desrt | ...but then have to carry the 1: forever? | 12:29 |
| seb128 | indeed | 12:29 |
| desrt | ow. | 12:30 |
| seb128 | that's why we often has 2.91.is.2.24 around ;-) | 12:30 |
| seb128 | has -> have | 12:30 |
| desrt | i guess that sort of thing clears up soon though | 12:30 |
| seb128 | which is a way to workaround the issue without having to carry an epoch number | 12:30 |
| seb128 | right | 12:30 |
| desrt | ya... | 12:30 |
| desrt | seems like that solution is quite a lot better | 12:30 |
| desrt | can't you just drop the epoch in some new release and have the upgrade scripts fix it? | 12:31 |
| seb128 | scripts? | 12:31 |
| seb128 | it's a package management issue | 12:31 |
| desrt | the update-manager scripts | 12:31 |
| seb128 | how does apt knows to upgrade if the version is lower? | 12:31 |
| desrt | it could force the non-epoched version | 12:31 |
| seb128 | well some people still use apt-get or aptitude or dselect | 12:32 |
| seb128 | it's not like the epoch number was any issue for users | 12:32 |
| desrt | ah. i thought that was officially unsupported because it might result in a not-properly-upgraded system | 12:32 |
| seb128 | it's not even showed in most uis | 12:32 |
| desrt | true | 12:32 |
| * desrt is just OCD :) | 12:32 | |
| seb128 | desrt, dpkg -l | grep xserver | 12:35 |
| seb128 | if you want example of a stack with an epoch ;-) | 12:36 |
| desrt | ah ya.. but i don't care about X | 12:39 |
| desrt | it will die soon anyway | 12:39 |
| desrt | but nautilus is forever! | 12:39 |
| === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow | ||
| fta | hm, the datetime indicator completely confused unity (or compiz). I wanted to go to the settings, nothing happened (no dialog), yet, it was unable to give the focus or close any other window | 13:22 |
| seb128 | it's likely another instance of the compiz invible dialog bug | 13:22 |
| seb128 | should be fixed or workarounded in the next upload | 13:23 |
| kklimonda | hmm.. a bit ot, but are there "official" 10.04.2 CDs? | 13:23 |
| kklimonda | good afternoon btw :) | 13:24 |
| fta | the dialog was invisible. with alt f4, i was able to close all the other apps, and when all my worspaces were empty, i tried a logout. just when compiz died, it exposed the missing dialog | 13:24 |
| seb128 | fta, right, what I just wrote | 13:24 |
| seb128 | kklimonda, cdimage.ubuntu.com has them | 13:24 |
| kklimonda | (not images, but physical discs) | 13:24 |
| kklimonda | seb128: ah, I've just noticed my question wasn't specific enough :) | 13:25 |
| seb128 | oh, dunno about that | 13:25 |
| fta | seb128, oh, i mis-read. i thought you talked about the transparent window on top of everything. | 13:25 |
| fta | hm, the locations selector in the datetime prefs is weird. | 13:31 |
| seb128 | how weird? | 13:34 |
| pitti | wow, welcome back GNOME, it's been a while | 13:49 |
| fta | seb128, http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/datetime-locations.ogv | 13:50 |
| seb128 | re | 13:50 |
| seb128 | sorry got some flacky internet | 13:50 |
| pitti | seb128: wb | 13:52 |
| seb128 | fta, there is nothing obviously wrong there but different issues mostly known | 13:52 |
| seb128 | like sorting is not ideal and some locations are missing from the db | 13:53 |
| seb128 | pitti, hey ;-) | 13:53 |
| seb128 | fta, mterry has been fixed quite some bugs this week so wait for the next update | 13:53 |
| fta | seb128, the completion seems totally broken to me. like no result for a string of length n, but lots for n+1 | 13:54 |
| seb128 | fta, it seems to be confused in your case indeed | 13:55 |
| seb128 | not sure if that's because of the space in the location name | 13:55 |
| seb128 | it doesn't happen with i.e paris | 13:55 |
| fta | also, i can't stop the desktop recording when this dialog is there | 13:55 |
| seb128 | weird | 13:56 |
| seb128 | nessita, ola! | 13:56 |
| fta | no, same for sydney, so it's not the space | 13:57 |
| nessita | hi seb128! I saw your emails, I will get to that after my daily stand up (which is in 3 minutes) | 13:57 |
| seb128 | nessita, let me know if the sharing thing work, I've tried to be nice with you and test u1, first time I share something on it ;-) | 13:57 |
| nessita | seb128: sharing worked, I already accepted, will download soon | 13:58 |
| seb128 | nessita, ok thanks | 13:58 |
| seb128 | mterry, hey | 13:58 |
| seb128 | mterry, do you know if fta's issue is known, fixed or worked? | 13:58 |
| mterry | seb128, hello! | 13:58 |
| mterry | seb128, very likely fixed, yes | 13:58 |
| mterry | seb128, the 'no completion' issue that is | 13:58 |
| seb128 | mterry, right, like typing "sydn" doesn't give you any suggestion | 13:59 |
| seb128 | ok, I will try again with today's updates when they are rolled | 13:59 |
| seb128 | mterry, thanks ;-) | 13:59 |
| seb128 | mterry, ok, your merge requests have been cleaned | 14:00 |
| seb128 | let me try a trunk build then ;-) | 14:00 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, hey | 14:04 |
| kenvandine | hey seb128 | 14:04 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, when you have a moment could you just update the scrollbar patch infos? you let the placeholder info in the patch rather than adding the bug reference etc | 14:04 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, in the gtk patch I mean | 14:05 |
| kenvandine | oh | 14:05 |
| kenvandine | damn... i'll do that | 14:05 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, thanks ;-) | 14:05 |
| kenvandine | also, i uploaded the scrollbars, they are in sourceNEW | 14:05 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, how did your testing with the current version go btw? | 14:05 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, great | 14:05 |
| kenvandine | but have a couple packaging tweaks in the ~ubuntu-desktop branch since the upload | 14:05 |
| kenvandine | works fine | 14:06 |
| seb128 | pitti, ^ not sure if you want to source new review the scrollbar lib since that's a ffe | 14:06 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, ok | 14:06 |
| kenvandine | seb128, well it needs the gtk upload first | 14:06 |
| kenvandine | to build | 14:06 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, it will depwait if gtk doesn't land | 14:07 |
| pitti | seb128: doesn't need to be me personally, but I can have a look soon | 14:07 |
| seb128 | pitti, I can do it as well if you want, I was just not sure if we should wait the end of freeze or if there was special rules for ffe exceptions | 14:08 |
| pitti | seb128: not really; it's a new package, so it can't hurt anything | 14:13 |
| seb128 | pitti, ok, will review it then, thanks | 14:13 |
| === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic | ||
| nessita | seb128: ok, I'm ready. As per the log file, I don't think you ran both UI and backend from my branch. May I ask how did you do the test? | 14:19 |
| seb128 | nessita, what backend? I didn't restart that, I installed the package built from the vcs and opened the dialog | 14:20 |
| seb128 | nessita, can I just stop the backend and it will respawn for me? | 14:20 |
| seb128 | nessita, is "backend" the sync daemon? | 14:21 |
| nessita | seb128: now, the backend is stopped by closing the UI. In beta 1, is not stopped automatically | 14:21 |
| nessita | seb128: the backend is ubunutone-control-panel-backend | 14:21 |
| seb128 | no such process running | 14:21 |
| nessita | seb128: did you open the UI before in that sema | 14:22 |
| nessita | oops | 14:22 |
| seb128 | it seems to exit when I close the dialog | 14:22 |
| seb128 | nessita, well, I installed the updated version with the ui closed | 14:22 |
| seb128 | then cleaned the log dir | 14:22 |
| seb128 | then opened the control panel | 14:22 |
| seb128 | then clicked on devices | 14:22 |
| seb128 | then closed the ui | 14:22 |
| seb128 | then uploaded the log | 14:22 |
| seb128 | nessita, was that wrong? I can do it again if you want | 14:22 |
| nessita | seb128: can you do the same now, that we're certain that the backend is stopped? | 14:23 |
| seb128 | nessita, done | 14:23 |
| nessita | seb128: that was fast! :-) | 14:23 |
| seb128 | nessita, the u1 version has been updated | 14:23 |
| seb128 | if you want to download it again | 14:23 |
| nessita | seb128: I got the new file! | 14:23 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 14:23 |
| nessita | u1 rocks :-P | 14:23 |
| seb128 | that sync daemon thing seems to work! | 14:23 |
| seb128 | nessita, is that log better? | 14:24 |
| nessita | seb128: yes, let me do add more debug to the branch since the exception is not coming up yet (that means is happening somewhere else, not where I was expecting) | 14:25 |
| seb128 | nessita, ok, no hurry, I'm online just update the vcs and I will pull and build from it ;-) | 14:25 |
| nessita | seb128: awesome | 14:25 |
| kenvandine | seb128, also look over the apport hook in the scrollbars package | 14:28 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, will do | 14:28 |
| kenvandine | i think several of the checks will just get ignored for most users | 14:29 |
| kenvandine | if report.has_key("Stacktrace") and "os-scrollbar.c" in report["Stacktrace"] | 14:29 |
| kenvandine | if they don't have the dbgsyms | 14:29 |
| kenvandine | but his first check will probably be good enough | 14:29 |
| desrt | 9MB for usb-modesiwtch due to tcl dependency | 14:31 |
| desrt | crikey! | 14:31 |
| pitti | modern languages! *cough* | 14:32 |
| desrt | it's not even usb-modeswitch, but rather the included 'dispatcher' script | 14:33 |
| desrt | 900 lines | 14:33 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, well I didn't look at that but the obvious way to do is to check if libsrollbar is in the Stacktrace | 14:36 |
| seb128 | libscrollbar | 14:36 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, the filename will match even if there is no symbols | 14:37 |
| pitti | desrt: everytime I look at it something in me wants to rewrite that in vala or C.. | 14:37 |
| desrt | pitti: i was thinking python, actually | 14:42 |
| pitti | desrt: that would make it less heavy, but still very expensive during boot | 14:42 |
| desrt | ah. you have a different concern, i see | 14:43 |
| desrt | would it be possible to integrate the purpose of the script into the main executable? | 14:43 |
| pitti | desrt: well, not "different" just "bigger"; I don't like the extra dependency as well :) | 14:44 |
| pitti | desrt: I don't know TBH; so far it has stayed below my "have time for this" treshold unfortunately | 14:44 |
| desrt | nod. | 14:44 |
| desrt | did you paing the upstream? | 14:44 |
| desrt | *ping | 14:44 |
| pitti | yes, it was discussed with upstream on u-devel@ a while ago | 14:45 |
| desrt | i guess he doesn't want to do the effort to rewrite his own software? | 14:45 |
| pitti | AFAIR he'd be okay with shell or python, but didn't like C/Vala (i. e. compiled stuff) | 14:45 |
| pitti | I don't knwo | 14:45 |
| desrt | python would still be a substantial improvement | 14:45 |
| desrt | at least in terms of making the CD-size-nazi component of your personality happy :) | 14:46 |
| pitti | absolutely | 14:46 |
| pitti | desrt: and with all the zeitgeist bits now landing, we have essentially lost the "no python in the boot path" battle anyway :/ | 14:47 |
| pitti | but at least this only affects USB 3G cards | 14:47 |
| pitti | i. e. not something you'd find on smaller arm hardware etc. | 14:47 |
| desrt | pitti: lost for now :) | 14:47 |
| pitti | (yet) | 14:47 |
| desrt | pitti: these things swing back and forth | 14:47 |
| pitti | desrt: yeah, and at least they can be deferred a bit | 14:48 |
| desrt | pitti: hopefully arm embedded devices don't ship a wifi card that has windows drivers on it :) | 14:48 |
| pitti | like we did with system-config-printer | 14:48 |
| pitti | desrt: builtin 3g cards are fine | 14:48 |
| pitti | desrt: but plugging an usb 3g card into an arm netbook isn't unthinkable | 14:48 |
| desrt | ya. of course. | 14:49 |
| pitti | but well, *shrug* then you just lose | 14:49 |
| pitti | ... a second, anyway | 14:49 |
| desrt | i'm toying around with the idea of an ubuntu-gnome-desktop metapackage :) | 14:50 |
| desrt | seeing what needs to be in it or not | 14:51 |
| nessita | mvo: ping | 14:52 |
| mvo | hello nessita | 14:54 |
| nessita | mvo: hey there! I've assigned this bug #746397 to the software center, I'm pinging you because I don't want it to fell off the radar. Not sure if you're still working on that though | 14:54 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 746397 in ubuntu-translations "Missing translation when unknown user tries to do a review in software-center" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746397 | 14:54 |
| mvo | nessita: many thanks | 14:55 |
| nessita | you're welcome :-) | 14:56 |
| mvo | I fix it right away :) | 14:56 |
| nessita | mvo: perfect | 14:57 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, do you know if the "show u1 banner" in nautilus is supposed to work? | 15:11 |
| edenpuls13 | exit | 15:11 |
| kenvandine | seb128, it should on the special dirs | 15:11 |
| kenvandine | Documents, Music, etc | 15:11 |
| === skaet_zzz is now known as skaet | ||
| seb128 | kenvandine, interesting | 15:13 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, "hide the banner" is doing nothing there | 15:14 |
| kenvandine | sounds like a bug | 15:16 |
| seb128 | indeed | 15:16 |
| seb128 | the u1 was not showing up in the nautilus menu on my fresh install either | 15:16 |
| seb128 | but it does after browsing a special directory | 15:17 |
| seb128 | but well, I tried to opened a guest session and intel went kernel panic... | 15:17 |
| kenvandine | i reproduced the not hiding bug | 15:18 |
| kenvandine | weird | 15:18 |
| kenvandine | it also doesn't update the menus | 15:18 |
| kenvandine | so it must not be connecting to whatever it has to | 15:19 |
| kenvandine | nessita, ^^ | 15:19 |
| kenvandine | nessita, know anything about the nautilus plugin? | 15:19 |
| nessita | kenvandine: very little, but I can find someone that knows more. dobey, can you please give a hand to kenvandine with the nautilus plugin? | 15:20 |
| seb128 | she will say it's a nautilus bug again ;-) | 15:20 |
| kenvandine | hehe | 15:20 |
| nessita | seb128: nautilus should be gone by now dude ;-) | 15:20 |
| seb128 | ok, so I didn't try u1 a lot before | 15:20 |
| kenvandine | seb128, this used to work | 15:20 |
| kenvandine | but i haven't tried hiding the banner in a long time | 15:21 |
| kenvandine | maybe since maverick | 15:21 |
| nessita | seb128, kenvandine: anyways, I know our plugin has several issues, I'm not proud of the quality of that :-( | 15:21 |
| seb128 | the ui is a bit rough | 15:21 |
| seb128 | like there is no way from the control panel to open the u1 website | 15:21 |
| seb128 | I'm happy nessita's sent me the url to the website, I didn't found it before the email ;-) | 15:21 |
| nessita | seb128: OH | 15:21 |
| kenvandine | haha... links to twitter and facebook but no link to one.ubuntu.com? | 15:22 |
| seb128 | right | 15:22 |
| seb128 | get support from canonical or the community | 15:22 |
| seb128 | buy storage | 15:22 |
| seb128 | twitter, fb | 15:22 |
| seb128 | but nowhere pointing to a u1 website | 15:22 |
| dobey | what's with the nautilus extension? | 15:23 |
| kenvandine | dobey, "Hide banner" seems to not do anything | 15:23 |
| nessita | seb128: well, buy storage and get support both leads to the u1 web site. and in the third tab, you get a 'Ubuntu One website' link you can click on :-) | 15:23 |
| dobey | kenvandine: oh, hrmm. i've never touched that specific code. rodrigo_ did all that work. so i have no idea why it wouldn't work :) | 15:24 |
| seb128 | hum, crashed | 15:24 |
| seb128 | nessita, right, but I didn't want to get support or buy anything so I didn't dare clicking on those ;-) | 15:24 |
| seb128 | nessita, the third tab is broken for me, maybe once you fix that bug I will have it then ;-) | 15:25 |
| nessita | seb128: good point. Sadly we're passed UI freeze so I can't make your wish real | 15:25 |
| seb128 | nessita, oh no worry, it's just getting feedback | 15:25 |
| nessita | seb128: in the last tab, services, you get the link | 15:25 |
| seb128 | is there any way from the desktop to see who you shared a folder with? | 15:25 |
| seb128 | nessita, where? | 15:25 |
| nessita | seb128: who you shared stuff with? no, we couldn't add that to the control panel (we wanted to, though) | 15:26 |
| nessita | seb128: do you have a tab called Services? | 15:26 |
| seb128 | bah "copying publishing url" doesn't do anything | 15:26 |
| seb128 | http://ubuntuone.com/p/kLO/ | 15:27 |
| seb128 | oh it does now | 15:27 |
| seb128 | nessita, http://ubuntuone.com/p/kLO/ | 15:27 |
| seb128 | nessita, where on that screenshot? | 15:27 |
| nessita | seb128: right, you need to install the desktopcouch plugin :-/. Again, your have a point ;-) | 15:27 |
| seb128 | ok, makes sense now ;-) | 15:28 |
| nessita | :-) | 15:28 |
| seb128 | btw the "Enable the sync service for this computer" label is weird | 15:28 |
| seb128 | like syncing is enabled, not sure what it has to do there | 15:28 |
| seb128 | nessita, sorry to come with UI issue after ui freeze ;-) | 15:28 |
| seb128 | nessita, I will open some bugs later on for next cycle | 15:29 |
| nessita | seb128: yes please, that would be very good | 15:29 |
| seb128 | nessita, bug #746468 | 15:38 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 746468 in ubuntuone-control-panel "no obvious link to the website" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746468 | 15:38 |
| mvo | kiwinote: \o/ for your s-c fixes | 15:39 |
| kiwinote | mvo: yw ;) | 15:40 |
| === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic | ||
| chrisccoulson | hmmm, is ctrl+shift+tab not a valid keyboard shortcut combination for a menuitem in gtk? | 16:01 |
| chrisccoulson | that's what is triggering the console message in firefox, but i can't see anything wrong with my extension (and it's correctly converting the XUL keysyms -> GDK) | 16:02 |
| * tremolux ^5s kiwinote | 16:10 | |
| * kiwinote high-5s tremolux | 16:11 | |
| rodrigo_ | desrt, hey, what g_variant_get_* should I use for an (i) returned via dbus? int32, int16, etc all fail | 16:26 |
| desrt | g_variant_get(value, "(i)", &your_int) | 16:27 |
| desrt | equivalently: | 16:27 |
| rodrigo_ | ok | 16:27 |
| desrt | g_variant_get_child (value, 0, "i", &your_int); | 16:27 |
| seb128 | mpt, hi | 16:31 |
| seb128 | mpt, would you have any opinion on #746160 | 16:32 |
| seb128 | ? | 16:32 |
| mpt | seb128, I agree with your comment, it looks like a duplicate of 732653 | 16:33 |
| seb128 | mpt, thanks | 16:34 |
| seb128 | hello desktopers | 16:38 |
| seb128 | did everybody got the people they wanted to see at UDS on the sponsoring list? | 16:38 |
| hallyn | Uh. hm. I don' tknow where to go with this one | 16:40 |
| hallyn | nearly up-to-date natty, running unity and gnome-desktop with vim on a terminal. | 16:40 |
| hallyn | if i highlight some text with the mouse, | 16:41 |
| hallyn | and then in vim go to a different word and say 'cw<shift-insert>', it does what i'd expect, inserting what i highlighted with the mouse | 16:42 |
| hallyn | but, if i do 'ves<shift-insert>', then it inserts what I just was replacing | 16:42 |
| hallyn | hm, i see - same on lucid | 16:43 |
| hallyn | i guess i've just not been on a local terminal in so long i hadn't noticed | 16:43 |
| hallyn | never mind, carry on i guess | 16:43 |
| chrisccoulson | w00t, archive open again \o/ | 16:44 |
| bcurtiswx | Sweet, forgot today was Beta 1. Good work everyone getting there :) | 16:47 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, did you get upstream people from mozilla you need on the UDS list? | 16:51 |
| seb128 | no Sweetshark? pitti can you check with him maybe later for libreoffice? | 16:51 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128 - not yet, but talking to someone now ;) | 16:52 |
| chrisccoulson | most of them are in the US though, so it's quite a long trip | 16:52 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, registration are closed so please jcastro or jasoncwarner know if you have people that needs to be added | 16:54 |
| seb128 | we have been a bit disorganized this time around especially with jasoncwarner not there this week | 16:55 |
| chrisccoulson | heh :) | 16:55 |
| chrisccoulson | he's holding it altogether normally ;) | 16:56 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, who is?§ | 16:57 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, I upload your g-s-d workaround to natty now, ok? | 17:03 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, yes, please | 17:03 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, just pushed it to master | 17:03 |
| rodrigo_ | seb128, we'll keep looking for the proper fix for 3.0.1 | 17:03 |
| seb128 | rodrigo_, yeah, I'm reading #gnome-hackers ;-) | 17:03 |
| rodrigo_ | ah ok then you know :) | 17:04 |
| seb128 | nessita, ola again ;-) | 17:04 |
| nessita | seb128: hola! | 17:04 |
| seb128 | nessita, do you need sponsoring still? | 17:04 |
| nessita | seb128: I have 2 branches waiting for sponsoring, one is for a SRU/UIFFE for maverick and the other is the one that your super powers mentioned I need uploaded ;-) | 17:05 |
| nessita | seb128: the natty one, https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntu/natty/ubuntu-sso-client/ubuntu-sso-client-1.0.9 | 17:06 |
| nessita | nopes! | 17:06 |
| seb128 | nessita, ok, will take those now | 17:06 |
| nessita | sorry, this is the natty one! https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntu/natty/ubuntu-sso-client/ubuntu-sso-client-1.2.0 | 17:06 |
| nessita | seb128: the 1.0.9 is a SRU that requires an approval from the release team | 17:06 |
| nessita | (it has an UI change) | 17:06 |
| seb128 | oh, I see | 17:07 |
| seb128 | I will do the natty one for now then | 17:07 |
| nessita | thanks! | 17:07 |
| seb128 | yw | 17:08 |
| seb128 | mvo, thanks for the sessioninstaller fix | 17:11 |
| mvo | seb128: yw! | 17:15 |
| * nessita -> lunch | 17:17 | |
| seb128 | ups, pitti uploaded gdm | 17:18 |
| pitti | not good? | 17:19 |
| seb128 | there was a merge request for a security update pending | 17:19 |
| * pitti wanted to clear his "fix committed" list | 17:19 | |
| seb128 | I wanted to ping you about it and forgot | 17:19 |
| seb128 | it will be in the next one, no worrry | 17:19 |
| seb128 | -r | 17:19 |
| didrocks | hum pkgbinarymangler tests works locally, my added one fails on the buildd and all fails in my pbuilder… | 17:28 |
| pitti | didrocks: hm, on the new test? | 17:28 |
| didrocks | pitti: yeah https://launchpadlibrarian.net/67800504/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.pkgbinarymangler_94_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz, but locally (with test/run), the world seems wonderful | 17:30 |
| didrocks | so, I tried on my pbuilder to confirm it and debug it, but all tests fail there… (in build()) | 17:30 |
| pitti | didrocks: hm, it worked for me locally, too; weird | 17:31 |
| didrocks | seems the .pot file isn't created | 17:31 |
| didrocks | it's not like the test was rocket science… | 17:32 |
| * didrocks adds --dont-purge | 17:33 | |
| didrocks | no, bzr bd works… | 17:40 |
| didrocks | pitti: the only reason I can see it that test.c isn't available for whatever reason in the chroot and so the POTFILES.in is not correct | 17:41 |
| pitti | didrocks: le huh? it's part of the source tarball | 17:45 |
| didrocks | pitti: yeah, it's there, but as I can't reproduce easily, that will be a joy to debug | 17:46 |
| chrisccoulson | rickspencer3, just uploaded a new firefox build with the new window quicklist item ;) | 17:58 |
| chrisccoulson | hopefully you will find that useful ;) | 17:58 |
| pitti | DBO: ooh, you fixed bug 741674? thaaanks! | 18:00 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 741674 in unity "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in g_closure_invoke()" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/741674 | 18:00 |
| DBO | pitti, me neil and jay | 18:01 |
| DBO | in committee | 18:01 |
| DBO | over mumble | 18:01 |
| DBO | it was epic | 18:01 |
| pitti | \o/ | 18:01 |
| pitti | you guys rock | 18:01 |
| pitti | looking forward to getting a new package with that, this drives me crazy | 18:01 |
| pitti | (I had to switch back to classic in order to do anything useful) | 18:01 |
| rickspencer3 | chrisccoulson, :) | 18:03 |
| didrocks | pitti: we need a FFe for utouch first ;) | 18:04 |
| didrocks | (the new geis landing) | 18:05 |
| didrocks | bug #742555 FYI | 18:06 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 742555 in unity "Unity can't get touch the touch initialization signals from GEIS" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/742555 | 18:06 |
| * didrocks waves goodnight | 18:06 | |
| === hallyn is now known as hallyn_afk | ||
| jcastro | dobey: is jono's bug valid? | 18:34 |
| jcastro | I see music from the U1 store in my library just fine | 18:34 |
| dobey | jcastro: yes | 18:35 |
| === alecu is now known as alecu-lunch | ||
| nessita | mterry: ping | 18:58 |
| mterry | nessita, yo | 18:59 |
| nessita | mterry: I'm reading your bug report, and not sure how to handle that. You have a source.list that is not readable by all your users, and apt.cache is not being able to handle that. Any ideas/suggestions? | 18:59 |
| mterry | nessita, it might be a python-apt bug. I just got it with ubuntuone, so I figured I'd file it there for starters | 18:59 |
| nessita | mterry: right, we're using the apt.cache library to query for package availability, but that library is crashing if it can't read a sources file | 19:00 |
| nessita | mterry: shall I say that in the bug report and re assign to that project? | 19:00 |
| mterry | nessita, sure | 19:01 |
| nessita | mterry: great | 19:01 |
| desrt | tedg: hey | 19:20 |
| tedg | Howdy desrt | 19:22 |
| rickspencer3 | beta! beta! beta! | 19:24 |
| === alecu-lunch is now known as alecu | ||
| patrickmw | yay! | 19:29 |
| njpatel | RAOF, bryceh ping? Have a quick question about Intel Corporation N10 graphics | 19:37 |
| njpatel | Q: Is it supported? To what level (GL wise) ? :) | 19:37 |
| bcurtiswx | \o/ beta release! | 19:51 |
| bcurtiswx | \oXoXoXoXoXoXoXoXoXoXoXoXoXo/ <-- everyone celebrating?? :P | 19:52 |
| === hallyn_afk is now known as hallyn | ||
| * tedg is wondering if kenvandine is going to verify all the bug fixes in that indicator-datetime release, if he does, mterry owes him a case of beer ;-) | 20:35 | |
| * mterry recommends kenvandine opens it up, sees it doesn't crash, and calls it a day | 20:37 | |
| * kenvandine just assumes everything mterry does is golden... and goes to drink a beer | 20:38 | |
| hallyn | is there a standard way to ask the debian installer to cause something to get run at login? | 20:40 |
| hallyn | the open-vm-tools want vmware-user-suid-wrapper to get started at login - until the user does, they are useless | 20:41 |
| mterry | tedg, what's the best way to fix Glade & appmenu? (the problem is that windows that the user is editing don't show their menus) Could we add a per-menubar custom property that glade would set like "appmenu-ignore" or maybe special case glade in appmenu-gtk | 20:46 |
| tedg | mterry, I believe that such a property already exists... | 20:46 |
| tedg | Let me look | 20:46 |
| * mterry loves it when things work already | 20:47 | |
| mterry | tedg, I think there's only show-local, but that's for the whole of appmenu-gtk, not per-menubar | 20:50 |
| tedg | mterry, I was thinking "ubuntu-no-proxy" which is on the top level. | 20:56 |
| tedg | mterry, Would that work? | 20:56 |
| didrocks | re | 20:57 |
| mterry | tedg, let me see if glade uses actual toplevels in its fake widget hierarchy | 20:58 |
| seb128 | re | 21:01 |
| seb128 | hey didrocks | 21:01 |
| seb128 | dobey, there? | 21:01 |
| dobey | seb128: hi | 21:02 |
| seb128 | dobey, hey | 21:02 |
| seb128 | dobey, is 746566 an issue you know about? | 21:02 |
| seb128 | dobey, g-s-d crashing in what seems to be it trying to display something about the user being over its quota for ubuntuone | 21:03 |
| dobey | seb128: are you getting the crash? | 21:04 |
| seb128 | dobey, no, but it has been reported as a landscape case and the submitter is responsive | 21:04 |
| seb128 | dobey, so if you have any question and could ask on the bug | 21:05 |
| seb128 | dobey, he's using 10.10 with current sru updates | 21:05 |
| seb128 | dobey, but he says it's an issue on lucid as well | 21:05 |
| dobey | well that's not possible, since that code doesn't even exist on lucid; unless he's running nightlies there or something. | 21:06 |
| seb128 | ok, so maybe he confused issues, he was commenting on another bug which is supposed to be fixed | 21:07 |
| seb128 | so I asked him to open a new bug with apport | 21:07 |
| seb128 | that one is a current 10.10 one | 21:07 |
| seb128 | so let's assume it's about this version | 21:07 |
| dobey | ok, i'll poke at it more closely as soon as i'm done with the branch i'm currently working on that's already overdue for 11.04 | 21:08 |
| seb128 | dobey, ok, thanks | 21:10 |
| kenvandine | mterry, tedg: humm... i am no longer getting events from indicator-datetime | 21:17 |
| mterry | kenvandine, :-/ | 21:17 |
| kenvandine | http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/587976/ | 21:17 |
| mterry | kenvandine, I didn't work on events, my work was all preference-dialog-side | 21:17 |
| kenvandine | ok | 21:17 |
| kenvandine | tedg, ^^ | 21:18 |
| mterry | kenvandine, klattimer might know trouble spots | 21:18 |
| tedg | kenvandine, Events, like from EDS? | 21:18 |
| mterry | That's a gvariantbuilder that ended up being empty | 21:18 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 21:18 |
| tedg | kenvandine, Hmm, no events would be why it's empty :-) | 21:19 |
| kenvandine | mterry, yeah, but "Number of ECalComponents returned: 0" | 21:19 |
| kenvandine | tedg, i had events before restarting my session :) | 21:19 |
| mterry | kenvandine, well I hope you learned your lesson about restarting then :) | 21:20 |
| kenvandine | although i have had some auth problems in evo this morning | 21:20 |
| kenvandine | mterry, hehe :) | 21:20 |
| mterry | kenvandine, no but seriously, poke klattimer about it tomorrow | 21:20 |
| mterry | or I will if I get to him first | 21:20 |
| kenvandine | i will | 21:21 |
| seb128 | get tedg to fix it ;-) | 21:21 |
| seb128 | no offense to karl but it might be that we will not get anything to upload this week if we wait on him to fix it | 21:21 |
| kenvandine | it says "Will highlight 1 days from Thu Mar 31 16:16:31 2011" | 21:21 |
| kenvandine | it used to check a week out | 21:21 |
| kenvandine | then display the next 5 out of what it finds | 21:21 |
| tedg | Yeah, I can fix it in a sec. Fighting with all the UDS stuff. | 21:24 |
| tedg | Does it seem like we've not got more forms to fill out? | 21:24 |
| tedg | (with the same data) | 21:24 |
| kenvandine | tedg, ok... if i add a new one it does pick it up | 21:24 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, sudo apt-get install indicator-datetime/natty, restart the service and see if it works? | 21:25 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, just to make sure it's the indicator | 21:25 |
| kenvandine | i figured it out | 21:26 |
| kenvandine | it looks like it doesn't pull events from the next month | 21:26 |
| kenvandine | so it is only getting them for today | 21:26 |
| kenvandine | i had one there just a little bit ago, but it was my 1:1 with jason which has passed | 21:26 |
| kenvandine | i wonder why it doesn't cross over into next month | 21:26 |
| seb128 | not likely a new bug, I noticed today that mine was listed only 2 events | 21:27 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 21:27 |
| seb128 | which I though was weird | 21:27 |
| * kenvandine ignores that for now | 21:27 | |
| kenvandine | not a regression | 21:27 |
| kenvandine | just weird | 21:27 |
| seb128 | but I didn't match it to the month thing | 21:27 |
| seb128 | nice catch | 21:27 |
| seb128 | can you open a bug and assign it to karl? | 21:27 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 21:27 |
| kenvandine | he actually checks for the first of the month and compares | 21:28 |
| kenvandine | so it is intentional | 21:28 |
| kenvandine | i'll file a bug | 21:28 |
| seb128 | weird | 21:29 |
| seb128 | tedg, btw how is your nautilus fixing going? | 21:32 |
| tedg | seb128, Oh, that's done... did I not give you the patch | 21:32 |
| seb128 | tedg, what about the libappindicator fallback icons breakage? | 21:32 |
| seb128 | tedg, no you didn't | 21:32 |
| tedg | seb128, That was ubuntu-mono | 21:32 |
| tedg | seb128, Uhm, let me find the patch | 21:32 |
| seb128 | tedg, no | 21:33 |
| seb128 | tedg, it's not the icon cache which breaks it | 21:33 |
| seb128 | it's a bug in the lib | 21:34 |
| tedg | seb128, Which bug do you want it on? bug 742972 bug 744298 or bug 742982 | 21:35 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 742972 in nautilus "missing action Change Desktop Background" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/742972 | 21:35 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 744298 in nautilus "Help item on Desktop should not be "Ubuntu Documentation"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/744298 | 21:35 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 742982 in nautilus "regression: can not resize icons on desktop" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/742982 | 21:35 |
| tedg | seb128, Hmm, that's not my understanding. I thought the icon cache thing fixed it... | 21:35 |
| kenvandine | seb128, bug 746713 | 21:35 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 746713 in indicator-datetime "Upcoming events aren't listed if they are in a different month" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746713 | 21:35 |
| kenvandine | i assigned it to karl | 21:35 |
| tedg | cyphermox, Did the fix to ubuntu-mono fix the fallback icons for libappindicator? | 21:36 |
| cyphermox | tedg, no, I filed another bug about what I found, hold on | 21:36 |
| cyphermox | tedg, bug 746495 | 21:37 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 746495 in libappindicator "broken fallback icons in standard notification-area" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746495 | 21:37 |
| cyphermox | seems like the issue comes from the use of -panel, since if I create a symlink to add it things magically start working | 21:37 |
| tedg | cyphermox, Okay, assigned to me. | 21:38 |
| cyphermox | I don't think it makes sense to start shipping 20-30 new symlinks to icons in ubuntu-mono and Humanity because of this though -- the icons are there already, and nm-applet already calls them by the name they are known as (afaik, so does g-p-m and gnome-bluetooth) | 21:39 |
| kenvandine | tedg, got any more releases coming? | 21:39 |
| tedg | kenvandine, I don't think so. | 21:39 |
| kenvandine | i've done them all up to indicator-datetime | 21:39 |
| kenvandine | great.. | 21:39 |
| * kenvandine is heading out for an hour or so :) | 21:39 | |
| seb128 | impressive indicate-datetime upload | 21:39 |
| seb128 | well done mterry and co ;-) | 21:40 |
| kenvandine | seb128, yeah :) | 21:40 |
| kenvandine | woot | 21:40 |
| seb128 | now if we only could have localized locations | 21:40 |
| * kenvandine waves... bbiab | 21:40 | |
| pitti | mterry: ok, this looks better; p-d-e now properly finds all relative imports | 22:21 |
| mterry | pitti, oh hot! | 22:22 |
| mterry | pitti, how do you detect the others? | 22:22 |
| pitti | mterry: I got rid of the "filter out locally provided modules" before, and always try an __import__, first absolute, then relative | 22:23 |
| pitti | and then just ask the resulting module about its __name__ | 22:23 |
| pitti | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~python-distutils-extra-hackers/python-distutils-extra/debian/revision/248 | 22:23 |
| mterry | pitti, ah, cool :) | 22:23 |
| * pitti fixes the "buildin" typo | 22:24 | |
| pitti | with that, good night everyone! | 22:24 |
| mterry | :) | 22:25 |
| seb128 | 'night pitti | 22:28 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, hey! | 22:52 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, hello | 22:52 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, how are you? | 22:52 |
| robert_ancell | awake; just. | 22:53 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, did you notice yelp not working correctly in quite some cases? I tried to do the f1 thing in different desktop applications yesterday and it often leads to an error page | 22:58 |
| seb128 | i.e gedit | 22:58 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, ah, no | 22:58 |
| seb128 | or nautilus | 22:58 |
| seb128 | so I'm not sure if that's a bug in those applications | 22:58 |
| seb128 | or if support for some ?index=... is broken | 22:58 |
| robert_ancell | seb128, ah, confirmed. What's the number? | 22:58 |
| seb128 | none | 22:59 |
| robert_ancell | ok, will look at that | 22:59 |
| seb128 | I didn't open one, I just noticed during beta testing | 22:59 |
| seb128 | but I was not sure if that was yelp or the documentation that need an update | 22:59 |
| robert_ancell | It could be the url has changed | 22:59 |
| seb128 | ok | 23:01 |
| seb128 | robert_ancell, did you have any specific sync now that we are unfrozen? I did the few I spoted from version but there was not a lot | 23:02 |
| robert_ancell | checking... | 23:02 |
| robert_ancell | no, I think that should be it | 23:03 |
| seb128 | ok | 23:04 |
| seb128 | so I'm off for today | 23:04 |
| seb128 | have a nice friday and weekend | 23:04 |
| seb128 | 'night | 23:04 |
| patrickmw | tremolux, thanks for updating bug 746768. Regarding that same test case (sc-016), I was unable to reproduce steps 4 and 5 successfully | 23:43 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 746768 in software-center "no button to install packages searched in a custom list (dup-of: 712903)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746768 | 23:43 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 712903 in software-center "Cannot install packages using a custom list" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/712903 | 23:43 |
| tremolux | patrickmw: hiya! just looking | 23:43 |
| patrickmw | tremolux, for example "gobby" works, "abcde works, but "gobby,abcde" or "abcde,gobby" also displays gobby | 23:44 |
| patrickmw | s/also/only | 23:46 |
| tremolux | patrickmw: ok, let me check this | 23:46 |
| tremolux | patrickmw: I'm a little unclear, so, are you testing with 3.1.24.4? | 23:49 |
| patrickmw | tremolux, correct | 23:50 |
| tremolux | patrickmw: ah, the fix for bug 746768 is not yet released | 23:50 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 746768 in software-center "no button to install packages searched in a custom list (dup-of: 712903)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746768 | 23:50 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 712903 in software-center "Cannot install packages using a custom list" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/712903 | 23:50 |
| patrickmw | tremolux, glad I checked and did write another dup :) thanks! | 23:50 |
| tremolux | patrickmw: sure, thank you! | 23:51 |
| tremolux | patrickmw: that fix will be in 3.1.25, and should be released tomorrow | 23:51 |
| patrickmw | tremolux, what good timing | 23:52 |
| tremolux | patrickmw: haha, yeah :) | 23:52 |
| tremolux | patrickmw: btw, I have a question for you | 23:52 |
| patrickmw | tremolux, I started a few automated tests last week, trying to get more committed before eow | 23:53 |
| * patrickmw is all ears | 23:53 | |
| tremolux | patrickmw: I see | 23:53 |
| tremolux | patrickmw: so, it's about bug 739908 | 23:53 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 739908 in software-center "ERROR - "failed to parse" when opening installed application details" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/739908 | 23:53 |
| tremolux | patrickmw: so, that's an intermittent error that we sometimes see from the ratings and reviews server | 23:54 |
| tremolux | patrickmw: I guess that the problem is that the error appearing like that causes problems with Mago, is that correct? | 23:54 |
| patrickmw | tremolux, here's what I've noticed. (For a mago test) when I select an application that is already installed, and then open its details, I can no longer interact with software center | 23:56 |
| tremolux | patrickmw: even if you don't get that error message? | 23:56 |
| patrickmw | tremolux, I think I meant to add software-center as an affected project. But, when I check the software-center log, it's littered with the 301 erros | 23:57 |
| patrickmw | tremolux, I'd say don't worry about it right now. I am focused on this for the rest of the week. | 23:59 |
| patrickmw | tremolux, I'll try some things and keep you updated | 23:59 |
| tremolux | patrickmw: you mean bug 739908 ? | 23:59 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 739908 in software-center "ERROR - "failed to parse" when opening installed application details" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/739908 | 23:59 |
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