[01:46] c [01:48] * RAOF puts on his second jumper and curses colds. [01:48] Yeah its cool in Sydney too. [02:04] kenvandine, are you still there? === asac_ is now known as asac [03:42] robert_ancell, hey [04:18] kenvandine, oh, hey again. Still there now? [04:18] ;) [04:20] robert_ancell, yup [04:20] robert_ancell, what's up? [04:21] hey, are the libraries supposed to be in /usr/lib [04:22] or in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu? [04:25] kenvandine, ^ [04:25] /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu? [04:25] for amd64 [04:25] $(DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH) [04:26] robert_ancell, but GIR doesn't work if you put the typelibs there [04:26] kenvandine, right, I wasn't sure if you were moving them from the built location, but looking again I see that was only the GI files that moved [04:26] which basically means they will conflict if you installed both arches [04:26] yeah, i was experimenting with that [04:27] GIR doesn't find the typelib in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/girepository-1.0 [04:27] so those still need to go in /usr/lib [04:27] So the fix is to put it in a private location and use GI_TYPELIB_PATH [04:27] cool [04:27] kenvandine, so, I'm confused. What's the point of having multiple versions of libraries if the binaries don't have multiple versions? [04:27] :) [04:27] robert_ancell, it is a goal [04:28] is that the next step? [04:28] to be able to install i386 and amd64 side by side [04:28] but i pointed out the typelib problem to pitti today [04:28] it works for everything else [04:29] so we need to sort out having multiarch typelibs [06:17] Amaranth: hi.. around? [06:18] or anyone who knows/dealt-with compiz packaging.. :D [06:19] uh oh [06:19] vish: what's up? [06:19] Amaranth: could you take a look at Bug #438868 ? :) [06:20] Launchpad bug 438868 in compiz "Numerous applications have focus issues after emerging from a screensaver or suspend" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/438868 [06:20] oh, ha [06:20] seems it could be an SRU.. [06:21] Uh, unless there is a patch attached I'm not the person to talk to [06:21] the bug doesnt affect natty, (compiz 0.9.4) [06:21] Amaranth: the git commit link is there [06:21] vish: Oh, right, maniac ftw [06:22] vish: I have no experience with making SRU packages and don't have any kind of maverick environment [06:23] I can poke at it this weekend or something maybe otherwise I'd poke didrocks or seb128 [06:23] didrocks because he does most of the compiz packaging lately and seb128 because he is awesome ;) [06:23] ;) [06:23] vish: are you sure it doesn't affect natty? I thought I saw some people complaining in that bug about natty [06:23] micahg: second last comment [06:24] make that third last, i forgot my comment :D [06:25] Amaranth: SRU process i can try but I dont have any experience packaging compiz :D ,hence poked you, i guess we could wait for didrocks or seb128 [06:25] compiz 0.9.x git does not have this fix forward ported [06:25] Unless we've got a distro patch... [06:26] So we should port this to 0.9.x and make sure it actually fixes the problem [06:30] hmm, there is another comment saying it does not affect natty; #161 [07:06] vish: Yeah, I had an outdated checkout, that patch was forward ported [07:08] cool! now, we'd have to get it in 0.8.6 [07:12] Too bad we couldn't just pull 0.8.8 completely [07:12] afaik it's nothing but bug fixes [07:13] For those kinds of bugs [07:16] Amaranth: if its just bug fixes, we could try to get 0.8.8 itself, i guess [07:17] assuming the bugs are either in lp or compiz bugzilla [07:21] vish: I doubt that'll fly for compiz [07:21] micahg: yup, hence the "could try" :) [07:31] micahg: or is that easier for backports? (though we have 0.9.4 in natty) [07:31] if someone backports 0.9.4 _that_ would be awesome ;) [07:32] * vish looks wishfully at Amaranth ;p [07:33] Yeah, the DX team has already shot that down [07:33] You'd have to backport half of natty to get a natty compiz package to work sanely in a maverick environment, apparently [07:33] I haven't looked in to why [07:34] oh! :( [07:34] Probably assumptions about unity existing which means you have to do unity too and then you get to fall down that hole [07:34] vish: it would probably be better to cherry pick the commit that was identified, make a good test case and SRU [07:42] good morning, everyone! may i ask you to check if bug 745989 has been filed against the right package? (or is this more appropriate at #ubuntu-bugs?) [07:42] Launchpad bug 745989 in gnome-power-manager "Unlock screen shown before system has finished suspending" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745989 [07:43] htorque: are you selecting suspend from indicator-session? [07:43] vish, yes [07:44] htorque: thats most probably an indicator-session issue, there is a bug with a patch but tedg closed it as opinion ;) [07:45] htorque: not fully sure, but there has been this issue of lock showing up due to the indicator calling the lock on its own [07:45] vish, it also happens when initiating suspend via Fn+F4 (= suspend) [07:45] lock screen* [07:46] htorque: not sure then.. you could try the patch and see if that fixes the issue .. ;) [07:48] vish, could i rule out indicators by using a classic session and remove the applets from the panel? [07:51] * vish not sure, but Bug #636693 is what i thought could be the cause [07:51] Launchpad bug 636693 in indicator-session "Premature lock when launching guest session" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/636693 [07:53] htorque: Bug #599351 [07:53] Launchpad bug 599351 in indicator-session "suspend + unlock dialog" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/599351 [07:55] vish, thanks, marked mine as dupe [07:56] htorque: maybe open the gdm task in that one? [08:00] vish, not sure i can do that (i'm just a regular user :-)) [08:01] htorque: anyone can open new tasks ;p [08:01] bonus if you can identify where the bug is ;) [08:05] Good morning [08:15] vish, i uninstalled indicator-session, indicator-applet-session, rebooted, and still can trigger it [08:18] htorque: cool! then i guess as GunnajH mentions there were 2bugs , might be gdm issue too [08:21] hey pitti, htorque [08:21] morning vish [08:21] * pitti waves [08:21] hi, didrocks :) [08:21] didrocks: hi.. [08:33] morning [08:33] rodrigo_: hihi [08:34] hey desrt [08:35] good morning everyone [08:35] hey rodrigo_, desrt, chrisccoulson [08:35] hi didrocks, how are you? [08:35] chrisccoulson: tired! but fine thanks, and you? [08:36] didrocks, yeah, good thanks, but tired too ;) trying to figure out how to use mochitest so i can write a test for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=644621 [08:37] Mozilla bug 644621 in Selection "Drag selection scrolling does not work properly in fullscreen mode" [Normal,New] [08:37] hey chrisccoulson [08:37] * pitti waves to desrt [08:38] hi pitti, how are you? [08:38] pretty well, thanks! [08:40] didrocks: "If you are using the live-CD images, and do not have the 3D drivers installed for your hardware, you may see a message like "Sorry you don't have 3D support, install it for your graphic hardware to get Unity or please reboot and select "Classic Session" at startup." -> should we still keep this in the release notes? I haven't seen it any more [08:40] jibel: ^ did you? [08:42] pitti, no, I didn't. [08:42] it silently falls back to classic desktop [08:43] ok, thanks for confirming [08:44] pitti: oh? it should be there [08:45] let me check the code if it changed, but it shouldn't [08:45] didrocks: it doesn't make sense on a live system, though? I certainly didn't see it in kvm [08:45] pitti: yeah, but it didn't specified the live system case anyway, would be something to do [08:47] oh oh [08:48] pitti: can you log a bug and assign to me? I'll give it a look when I have a chance [08:48] so two things: -> no message on live (I think checking for the "Ubuntu" user is enough? [08:48] -> bring back the message [08:48] didrocks: we usually check for [ -d /rofs ] [08:48] didrocks: against gnome-session? [08:50] pitti: found the bug :) [08:50] iMessage instead of Message, thanks vi ;) [08:50] pitti: yeah, instead gnome-session :) [08:50] I should have edited the patch later and double ii by inadvertance, grrr :/ [08:51] sorry about that [08:52] didrocks: there, bug 746266 [08:52] Launchpad bug 746266 in gnome-session "bring back missing 3D support warning" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746266 [08:54] pitti: thanks a lot :) === skaet is now known as skaet_zzz [09:02] hey desktopers [09:14] hi seb128 [09:15] hey rodrigo_, how are you? [09:15] seb128, fine thanks, and you? [09:15] I'm great thanks [09:15] pitti, bug #745347 is a know indicator issue [09:15] Launchpad bug 745347 in gdm "'universal access' icon missing from gdm login screen" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745347 [09:16] hey seb128 [09:16] pitti, it's a side effect of the fix for the gicon crash from yesterday [09:16] seb128: oh, thanks; would you mind updating it? [09:16] pitti, can do [09:16] cheers [09:16] pitti, hey indeed, how are you? ;-) [09:17] pretty good, thanks! just depressing to edit the endless bug list on the tech overview [09:17] those being mostly compiz issues? [09:17] I didn't notice lot of desktop bugs which came from the beta testing [09:18] where desktop is desktop out of the ui unity [09:18] unity ui rather [09:18] ;-) [09:18] all sorts of things really [09:30] hey all [09:30] seb128, pitti ... beta 1 today, what's the word on the street? [09:30] hey rickspencer3 [09:30] hey rickspencer3 [09:30] rickspencer3: wubi is broken, the rest seems to work by and large [09:31] I heard about wubi [09:31] didrocks: against gnome-session?https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview <- if you feel like proofreading, please do [09:31] from what I heard, it's actually a bug in grub, right? [09:31] depressing number of known issues, but that's also because they have non-critical stuff now [09:31] yes [09:31] pitti: ok, will do (OTP for now) :) [09:31] rickspencer3, seems fine from where I sit but pitti suggested there is quite some issues to document [09:31] seb128, does everyone one of those bugs need to be documented? [09:31] didrocks: sorry, that was IRC fail [09:31] so I guess it's a matter of perspective [09:31] that seems a bit overkill [09:32] rickspencer3: just updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview <- if you feel like proofreading, please do [09:32] * rickspencer3 looks [09:32] rickspencer3, I would bother but I've nothing to do with that ;-) [09:32] didrocks: I don't know what's going on, recently weechat seems to act up and randomly put parts of older conversations in my current line [09:32] pitti, so, how do you feel about the beta, are we on track for a good final release, or does it look too buggy these days? [09:33] rickspencer3: once the million unity crashes get fixed, it's looking really good IMHO [09:33] pitti, are all the crashers in compiz? [09:33] pitti: oh reallly? didn't experience that [09:33] unity in beta-1 itself is, well, a "challenge" to work with :) [09:33] pitti, interesting, so long as I don't try to use a beamer/projector it works well for me [09:34] didrocks: oh, btw, unity also crashes with just the laptop, so it's not (just?) a multi-monitor thing [09:34] but anyway, you said that was in the pipeline already [09:34] rickspencer3, as long as I don't try to start a second session it works fine here [09:34] rickspencer3, but guest session is crash land [09:34] the unity decorator fails there, yes [09:34] pitti: the crashes or mostly signals not being disconnected, so affect both one or two monitors [09:34] otherwise multiple sessions work here [09:34] ok [09:34] pitti: I pinged sam about that and set it as a priority [09:34] so ... I think we've stopped all churn, and can focus 100% on bugs from here out [09:35] and we really need to buy more beer for smspillaz to fix the shadow spillover; this is confusing as hell [09:35] pitti, "In an Ubuntu Classic Session, Compiz crashes after enabling the effects in "Visual Effects" tab. (685682) " [09:35] seb128, pitti, didrocks is there anything I should know about that is work that is not fixing bugs? [09:35] pitti, we don't have a visual effect take since alpha2 or something [09:35] rickspencer3: sabdfl ack'ed the new scrollbars, so that will land [09:35] rickspencer3: there are some UI freeze exception [09:35] seb128: ah, will remove that then, thanks [09:35] take -> tab [09:35] yeah yeah [09:35] some still need to be written [09:36] didrocks, is any of that work that will cause churn that will detract from bug fixing? [09:36] seb128: I'll just move it to the general "crashes often" line [09:36] rickspencer3: let's say there is one person full time not on bug fixing in total [09:36] sorry, have to be back on mumble, bbiab [09:37] morning [09:37] didrocks, who is the one person? [09:37] rickspencer3: Cimi, I guess [09:38] rickspencer3: it's just a time estimation, not really someone full time, but dispatching [09:38] pitti, no, Cimi is not counted as unity team ressource [09:38] didrocks, ack [09:38] seb128: I thought he'd work on the scrollbars? [09:38] pitti, he was missioned clearly on scrollbars or would be doing gtk3 theming otherwise [09:38] pitti, right, which is not unity ;-) [09:39] seb128, pitti, can you please let me know asap if the scrollbars are detracting work from fixing other bugs? [09:39] right, but he's the "one person"? [09:39] rickspencer3, will do [09:39] pitti, I think didrocks meant that didrocks was the one person ;) [09:39] pitti, no, didrocks estimate that other design change cost a one person time work [09:39] rickspencer3: didrocks counts as two, at least [09:39] ah [09:39] ooh [09:40] didrocks, what is the design change? [09:40] rickspencer3: can we discuss that in 15 minutes? after my mumbling? [09:40] hard to follow both discussions right now :) [09:40] rickspencer3, they have been at least changing the way the claim for attention is working, like they will stop showing half icons but turn the bfb blue [09:40] seb128: not the only one unfortunately [09:40] right [09:41] I've seen yesterday you were still discussing the animations to use for the launcher as well [09:41] didrocks, but finish your mumble ;-) [09:41] that's another thing with dx, they spent their life on calls and mumble ;-) [09:49] pitti, so current iso will be the beta ones? do you have any estimation if we will unfreeze today? [09:49] seb128: not a precise one, couple of hours [09:50] let us finish the CD publishing bits, then we'll discuss that [09:50] ok, so it's "today" [09:50] I was just checking if we can aim at normal indicator update during the u.s day today [09:50] seems we can ;-) [09:50] well in any case we can queue them even if it's still frozen [09:50] right [09:51] it's just I try to be careful about queue things to get them unflushed on a friday evening as that happened before [09:51] queuing [09:54] mvo: i've done some more bg research on https://bugs.launchpad.net/xapian/+bug/745243 please see my last comment [09:54] Launchpad bug 745243 in unity-foundations "[dash] wrong search result in Chinese" [High,Triaged] [09:59] seb128: is libicu44 installed by default, or have I just pulled it in as an odd dep somewhere? [09:59] kamstrup, it's installed by default [09:59] kamstrup, libwebkitgtk-1.0-0 depends on it [10:02] *phew* thanks seb128 :-) [10:02] kamstrup, yw ;-) [10:05] kamstrup: thanks! that does indeed not look great [10:05] seb128: hi, could you approve the Maverick and Lucid compiz tasks for Bug #438868 ? there is a cgit commit link and the change seems pretty simple for an SRU.. [10:05] Launchpad bug 438868 in compiz "Numerous applications have focus issues after emerging from a screensaver or suspend" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/438868 [10:06] mvo: it gets worse... look at my comment from 2s ago [10:06] *grumpf* [10:06] I see [10:06] seb128: people confirm bug is fixed in natty, and Amaranth also confirmed the patch is in latest compiz 0.9 git [10:07] does it apply to the 0.8 serie? [10:07] mvo: but I am baffled as to how we haven't seen this bug on S-C before with all the time we've been shipping it? [10:07] seb128: it was actually fixed in 0.8 first [10:07] There was an 0.8.8 release recently that is all nice solid bug fixes just like that one [10:08] hi pitti, good morning. kyleN was doing some testing with unity-2d and noticed that translations were not installed. It happened that they are in the kde langpack. Do you think we should move them to the general langpack? [10:08] is somebody wanting to work on the sru for those? [10:09] * vish tried poking Amaranth to do the compiz SRU first, and » I can poke at it this weekend or something maybe otherwise I'd poke didrocks or seb128 ;) [10:09] also : didrocks because he does most of the compiz packaging lately and seb128 because he is awesome ;) [10:09] don't count on didrocks or me [10:09] we are focused on natty [10:09] we say good things about you behind your back ;) [10:09] ;-) [10:09] well maybe after the natty freeze [10:09] it doesn't seem there is any hurry for that anyway [10:09] cool! [10:10] but if someone want to do it before feel free [10:10] dpm: not sure for natty, as you'll need qt for it anyway; for oneiric we certainly should, but then we need to reorganize it a bit anyway (like also moving qt translations to the general one) [10:12] seb128: is 0.8.8 update feasible to expect for an SRU? (as Amaranth mentions it has some nice bug fixes..) [10:12] 0.8.6 » 0.8.8 [10:12] or just cherry pick for that bug alone? [10:13] dunno, depends of the number of changes and the diff usually [10:14] pitti, ack. I haven't been able to talk to kyleN since yesterday, so I'm not 100% certain on the steps to reproduce, but I assume he did a default install and didn't get the kde langpack installed and thus unity-2d appeared untranslated. Do you have any ideas of what could be done for natty to ensure this does not happen (apart from the reorganization you are mentioning for oneiric)? [10:14] dpm: the images which ship unity-2d should install the -kde langpacks for the languages it wants to ship by default [10:15] dpm: aside from that, we need to verify that langauge-selector will install the kde ones on unity-2d [10:16] pitti, ok, thanks. I'll get kyleN to check out and file a bug if necessary [10:16] thanks === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [10:33] rickspencer3: FYI, I cleaned up the tech overview known issues some more [10:34] still very detailled, but at least it doesn't have less important issues or too much technical detail any more [10:37] didrocks: does https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview#Unity look alright to you? I updated it a bit, but might have missed something [10:45] pitti: sounds great, session have even been renamed! :) I added just a note on the fglrx driver [10:46] didrocks: that's further down in "known issues"; perhaps add it there? [10:47] thanks pitti [10:50] pitti: yeah, I added it there, didn't I? [10:50] dbarth: hi [10:51] didrocks: ah, I meant my blob which I wrote 3 lines above your's [10:52] desrt: hi [10:52] dbarth: did you receive my email? [10:53] pitti: should I merge with it, like "please note that even after the upgrade, Unity won't work with it?" [10:55] desrt: i did. but i'm a bit swamped right now [10:55] dbarth: okay. no rush. ping me back when you've had a chance to look it over [10:56] one very quick issue that i wonder if you could help me on (unrelated) [10:56] didrocks: please do, yes; I think these should be mentioned together [10:57] dbarth: i got an email from Darren Spiteri 'via RT'. when i try to reply to RT i get a "Permission denied" message with no further information and i can't seem to find Darren's email [10:57] didrocks, will you do an unity upload this week? [10:58] seb128: yeah, this evening is planned for the release, but as the changes are bigs, I don't want to rush on it. Upload early tomorrow morning after a lot of tests [10:58] pitti: done [10:59] didrocks, ok, I was not sure if we should upload an updated translation template to launchpad manually or wait for the next upload [10:59] didrocks, but seems we can wait for the upload if it's this week [10:59] seb128: Friday sounds fine? [10:59] yeah [10:59] and there is some pending string changes [10:59] didrocks, yeah, I asked in case you were targetting monday [10:59] would be nice to give the weekend to translators to work [10:59] agreed :) [11:00] and monday will be the compiz day [11:00] rodrigo_, hey again, do you notice bugs assigned to you from the emails or do you want to be pinged on IRC as well? [11:00] didrocks, ok, thanks [11:00] yw :) [11:00] didrocks, seb128 if you guys give me or point me to an updated template, I can upload it manually for you if you like [11:01] dpm: still not fully decided by design, so waiting for a final ack [11:01] oh, not the string change [11:01] desrt: forward it to me [11:01] dpm: well, let's wait on Friday [11:01] didrocks, ok [11:01] no need to translate strings that can change [11:01] dpm, thanks, we will on the string changes to land [11:01] ok, cool [11:02] dbarth: done [11:06] seb128, if you ping me on irc I'll see them before, as I get a lot of *cough*spam*cough* from the unity bugs :-) [11:07] rodrigo_, ok, ignore the tomboy one and assigned to you and back then, ken already uploaded a fix but he didn't update the bug ;-) [11:07] didrocks: merci [11:07] seb128, ok [11:07] seb128, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/745721 <- this one, right? [11:07] Launchpad bug 745721 in tomboy "Ubuntu One sync points to the edge server" [Medium,Fix committed] [11:07] pitti: ywy [11:08] rodrigo_, correct ;-) [11:08] I need to run out for some errands and lunch, bbl === chaotic_ is now known as chaotic === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:27] why does nautilus have such an odd version number? [12:28] desrt, ? [12:28] 1:2.91.94-0ubuntu1~build1 [12:28] what is odd in there? [12:28] specifically the 1: at the start [12:28] that's an epoch [12:28] that's the way to say "the version is higher even if the number is not" [12:29] like 1:2.22 > 2.24 [12:29] why does nothing else have it? [12:29] that's what you use when you uploaded a newer serie by error [12:29] heh :) [12:29] some other source have it [12:29] yes, it's useful if you screw up the version number :) [12:29] ah [12:29] so like if you uploaded nautilus 3.0 [12:29] you can use 1:2.22 to get back to 2 [12:29] yes [12:29] ...but then have to carry the 1: forever? [12:29] indeed [12:30] ow. [12:30] that's why we often has 2.91.is.2.24 around ;-) [12:30] has -> have [12:30] i guess that sort of thing clears up soon though [12:30] which is a way to workaround the issue without having to carry an epoch number [12:30] right [12:30] ya... [12:30] seems like that solution is quite a lot better [12:31] can't you just drop the epoch in some new release and have the upgrade scripts fix it? [12:31] scripts? [12:31] it's a package management issue [12:31] the update-manager scripts [12:31] how does apt knows to upgrade if the version is lower? [12:31] it could force the non-epoched version [12:32] well some people still use apt-get or aptitude or dselect [12:32] it's not like the epoch number was any issue for users [12:32] ah. i thought that was officially unsupported because it might result in a not-properly-upgraded system [12:32] it's not even showed in most uis [12:32] true [12:32] * desrt is just OCD :) [12:35] desrt, dpkg -l | grep xserver [12:36] if you want example of a stack with an epoch ;-) [12:39] ah ya.. but i don't care about X [12:39] it will die soon anyway [12:39] but nautilus is forever! === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:22] hm, the datetime indicator completely confused unity (or compiz). I wanted to go to the settings, nothing happened (no dialog), yet, it was unable to give the focus or close any other window [13:22] it's likely another instance of the compiz invible dialog bug [13:23] should be fixed or workarounded in the next upload [13:23] hmm.. a bit ot, but are there "official" 10.04.2 CDs? [13:24] good afternoon btw :) [13:24] the dialog was invisible. with alt f4, i was able to close all the other apps, and when all my worspaces were empty, i tried a logout. just when compiz died, it exposed the missing dialog [13:24] fta, right, what I just wrote [13:24] kklimonda, cdimage.ubuntu.com has them [13:24] (not images, but physical discs) [13:25] seb128: ah, I've just noticed my question wasn't specific enough :) [13:25] oh, dunno about that [13:25] seb128, oh, i mis-read. i thought you talked about the transparent window on top of everything. [13:31] hm, the locations selector in the datetime prefs is weird. [13:34] how weird? [13:49] wow, welcome back GNOME, it's been a while [13:50] seb128, http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/datetime-locations.ogv [13:50] re [13:50] sorry got some flacky internet [13:52] seb128: wb [13:52] fta, there is nothing obviously wrong there but different issues mostly known [13:53] like sorting is not ideal and some locations are missing from the db [13:53] pitti, hey ;-) [13:53] fta, mterry has been fixed quite some bugs this week so wait for the next update [13:54] seb128, the completion seems totally broken to me. like no result for a string of length n, but lots for n+1 [13:55] fta, it seems to be confused in your case indeed [13:55] not sure if that's because of the space in the location name [13:55] it doesn't happen with i.e paris [13:55] also, i can't stop the desktop recording when this dialog is there [13:56] weird [13:56]