[01:46] <TheMuso> c
[01:48]  * RAOF puts on his second jumper and curses colds.
[01:48] <TheMuso> Yeah its cool in Sydney too.
[02:04] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, are you still there?
[03:42] <kenvandine> robert_ancell, hey
[04:18] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, oh, hey again.  Still there now?
[04:18] <robert_ancell> ;)
[04:20] <kenvandine> robert_ancell, yup
[04:20] <kenvandine> robert_ancell, what's up?
[04:21] <robert_ancell> hey, are the libraries supposed to be in /usr/lib
[04:22] <robert_ancell> or in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu?
[04:25] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, ^
[04:25] <kenvandine> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu?
[04:25] <kenvandine> for amd64
[04:25] <kenvandine>  $(DEB_HOST_MULTIARCH)
[04:26] <kenvandine> robert_ancell, but GIR doesn't work if you put the typelibs there
[04:26] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, right, I wasn't sure if you were moving them from the built location, but looking again I see that was only the GI files that moved
[04:26] <kenvandine> which basically means they will conflict if you installed both arches
[04:26] <kenvandine> yeah, i was experimenting with that
[04:27] <kenvandine> GIR doesn't find the typelib in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/girepository-1.0
[04:27] <kenvandine> so those still need to go in /usr/lib
[04:27] <robert_ancell> So the fix is to put it in a private location and use GI_TYPELIB_PATH
[04:27] <kenvandine> cool
[04:27] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, so, I'm confused.  What's the point of having multiple versions of libraries if the binaries don't have multiple versions?
[04:27] <kenvandine> :)
[04:27] <kenvandine> robert_ancell, it is a goal
[04:28] <robert_ancell> is that the next step?
[04:28] <kenvandine> to be able to install i386 and amd64 side by side
[04:28] <kenvandine> but i pointed out the typelib problem to pitti today
[04:28] <kenvandine> it works for everything else
[04:29] <kenvandine> so we need to sort out having multiarch typelibs
[06:17] <vish> Amaranth: hi.. around?
[06:18] <vish> or anyone who knows/dealt-with compiz packaging.. :D
[06:19] <Amaranth> uh oh
[06:19] <Amaranth> vish: what's up?
[06:19] <vish> Amaranth: could you take a look at Bug #438868 ? :)
[06:20] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 438868 in compiz "Numerous applications have focus issues after emerging from a screensaver or suspend" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/438868
[06:20] <Amaranth> oh, ha
[06:20] <vish> seems it could be an SRU..
[06:21] <Amaranth> Uh, unless there is a patch attached I'm not the person to talk to
[06:21] <vish> the bug doesnt affect natty, (compiz 0.9.4)
[06:21] <vish> Amaranth: the git commit link is there
[06:21] <Amaranth> vish: Oh, right, maniac ftw
[06:22] <Amaranth> vish: I have no experience with making SRU packages and don't have any kind of maverick environment
[06:23] <Amaranth> I can poke at it this weekend or something maybe otherwise I'd poke didrocks or seb128
[06:23] <Amaranth> didrocks because he does most of the compiz packaging lately and seb128 because he is awesome ;)
[06:23] <vish> ;)
[06:23] <micahg> vish: are you sure it doesn't affect natty?  I thought I saw some people complaining in that bug about natty
[06:23] <vish> micahg: second last comment
[06:24] <vish> make that third last, i forgot my comment :D
[06:25] <vish> Amaranth: SRU process i can try but I dont have any experience packaging compiz :D ,hence poked you, i guess we could wait for didrocks or seb128
[06:25] <Amaranth> compiz 0.9.x git does not have this fix forward ported
[06:25] <Amaranth> Unless we've got a distro patch...
[06:26] <Amaranth> So we should port this to 0.9.x and make sure it actually fixes the problem
[06:30] <vish> hmm, there is another comment saying it does not affect natty; #161
[07:06] <Amaranth> vish: Yeah, I had an outdated checkout, that patch was forward ported
[07:08] <vish> cool! now, we'd have to get it in 0.8.6
[07:12] <Amaranth> Too bad we couldn't just pull 0.8.8 completely
[07:12] <Amaranth> afaik it's nothing but bug fixes
[07:13] <Amaranth> For those kinds of bugs
[07:16] <vish> Amaranth: if its just bug fixes, we could try to get 0.8.8 itself, i guess
[07:17] <vish> assuming the bugs are either in lp or compiz bugzilla
[07:21] <micahg> vish: I doubt that'll fly for compiz
[07:21] <vish> micahg: yup, hence the "could try" :)
[07:31] <vish> micahg: or is that easier for backports? (though we have 0.9.4 in natty)
[07:31] <vish> if someone backports 0.9.4 _that_ would be awesome ;)
[07:32]  * vish looks wishfully at Amaranth ;p
[07:33] <Amaranth> Yeah, the DX team has already shot that down
[07:33] <Amaranth> You'd have to backport half of natty to get a natty compiz package to work sanely in a maverick environment, apparently
[07:33] <Amaranth> I haven't looked in to why
[07:34] <vish> oh! :(
[07:34] <Amaranth> Probably assumptions about unity existing which means you have to do unity too and then you get to fall down that hole
[07:34] <micahg> vish: it would probably be better to cherry pick the commit that was identified, make a good test case and SRU
[07:42] <htorque> good morning, everyone! may i ask you to check if bug 745989 has been filed against the right package? (or is this more appropriate at #ubuntu-bugs?)
[07:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 745989 in gnome-power-manager "Unlock screen shown before system has finished suspending" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745989
[07:43] <vish> htorque: are you selecting suspend from indicator-session?
[07:43] <htorque> vish, yes
[07:44] <vish> htorque: thats most probably an indicator-session issue, there is a bug with a patch but tedg closed it as opinion ;)
[07:45] <vish> htorque: not fully sure, but there has been this issue of lock showing up due to the indicator calling the lock on its own
[07:45] <htorque> vish, it also happens when initiating suspend via Fn+F4 (= suspend)
[07:45] <vish> lock screen*
[07:46] <vish> htorque:  not sure then.. you could try the patch and see if that fixes the issue .. ;)
[07:48] <htorque> vish, could i rule out indicators by using a classic session and remove the applets from the panel?
[07:51]  * vish not sure, but Bug #636693 is what i thought could be the cause
[07:51] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 636693 in indicator-session "Premature lock when launching guest session" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/636693
[07:53] <vish> htorque: Bug #599351
[07:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 599351 in indicator-session "suspend + unlock dialog" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/599351
[07:55] <htorque> vish, thanks, marked mine as dupe
[07:56] <vish> htorque: maybe open the gdm task in that one?
[08:00] <htorque> vish, not sure i can do that (i'm just a regular user :-))
[08:01] <vish> htorque: anyone can open new tasks ;p
[08:01] <vish>  bonus if you can identify where the bug is ;)
[08:05] <pitti> Good morning
[08:15] <htorque> vish, i uninstalled indicator-session, indicator-applet-session, rebooted, and still can trigger it
[08:18] <vish> htorque: cool! then i guess as GunnajH mentions there were 2bugs , might be gdm issue too
[08:21] <didrocks> hey pitti, htorque
[08:21] <didrocks> morning vish
[08:21]  * pitti waves
[08:21] <htorque> hi, didrocks :)
[08:21] <vish> didrocks: hi..
[08:33] <rodrigo_> morning
[08:33] <desrt> rodrigo_: hihi
[08:34] <rodrigo_> hey desrt
[08:35] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[08:35] <didrocks> hey rodrigo_, desrt, chrisccoulson
[08:35] <chrisccoulson> hi didrocks, how are you?
[08:35] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: tired! but fine thanks, and you?
[08:36] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, yeah, good thanks, but tired too ;) trying to figure out how to use mochitest so i can write a test for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=644621
[08:37] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 644621 in Selection "Drag selection scrolling does not work properly in fullscreen mode" [Normal,New]
[08:37] <pitti> hey chrisccoulson
[08:37]  * pitti waves to desrt
[08:38] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti, how are you?
[08:38] <pitti> pretty well, thanks!
[08:40] <pitti> didrocks: "If you are using the live-CD images, and do not have the 3D drivers installed for your hardware, you may see a message like "Sorry you don't have 3D support, install it for your graphic hardware to get Unity or please reboot and select "Classic Session" at startup." -> should we still keep this in the release notes? I haven't seen it any more
[08:40] <pitti> jibel: ^ did you?
[08:42] <jibel> pitti, no, I didn't.
[08:42] <jibel> it silently falls back to classic desktop
[08:43] <pitti> ok, thanks for confirming
[08:44] <didrocks> pitti: oh? it should be there
[08:45] <didrocks> let me check the code if it changed, but it shouldn't
[08:45] <pitti> didrocks: it doesn't make sense on a live system, though? I certainly didn't see it in kvm
[08:45] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, but it didn't specified the live system case anyway, would be something to do
[08:47] <didrocks> oh oh
[08:48] <didrocks> pitti: can you log a bug and assign to me? I'll give it a look when I have a chance
[08:48] <didrocks> so two things: -> no message on live (I think checking for the "Ubuntu" user is enough?
[08:48] <didrocks> -> bring back the message
[08:48] <pitti> didrocks: we usually check for [ -d /rofs ]
[08:48] <pitti> didrocks: against gnome-session?
[08:50] <didrocks> pitti: found the bug :)
[08:50] <didrocks> iMessage instead of Message, thanks vi ;)
[08:50] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, instead gnome-session :)
[08:50] <didrocks> I should have edited the patch later and double ii by inadvertance, grrr :/
[08:51] <didrocks> sorry about that
[08:52] <pitti> didrocks: there, bug 746266
[08:52] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 746266 in gnome-session "bring back missing 3D support warning" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746266
[08:54] <didrocks> pitti: thanks a lot :)
[09:02] <seb128> hey desktopers
[09:14] <rodrigo_> hi seb128
[09:15] <seb128> hey rodrigo_, how are you?
[09:15] <rodrigo_> seb128, fine thanks, and you?
[09:15] <seb128> I'm great thanks
[09:15] <seb128> pitti, bug #745347 is a know indicator issue
[09:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 745347 in gdm "'universal access' icon missing from gdm login screen" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/745347
[09:16] <pitti> hey seb128
[09:16] <seb128> pitti, it's a side effect of the fix for the gicon crash from yesterday
[09:16] <pitti> seb128: oh, thanks; would you mind updating it?
[09:16] <seb128> pitti, can do
[09:16] <pitti> cheers
[09:16] <seb128> pitti, hey indeed, how are you? ;-)
[09:17] <pitti> pretty good, thanks! just depressing to edit the endless bug list on the tech overview
[09:17] <seb128> those being mostly compiz issues?
[09:17] <seb128> I didn't notice lot of desktop bugs which came from the beta testing
[09:18] <seb128> where desktop is desktop out of the ui unity
[09:18] <seb128> unity ui rather
[09:18] <seb128> ;-)
[09:18] <pitti> all sorts of things really
[09:30] <rickspencer3> hey all
[09:30] <rickspencer3> seb128, pitti ... beta 1 today, what's the word on the street?
[09:30] <pitti> hey rickspencer3
[09:30] <seb128> hey rickspencer3
[09:30] <pitti> rickspencer3: wubi is broken, the rest seems to work by and large
[09:31] <rickspencer3> I heard about wubi
[09:31] <pitti> didrocks: against gnome-session?https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview <- if you feel like proofreading, please do
[09:31] <rickspencer3> from what I heard, it's actually a bug in grub, right?
[09:31] <pitti> depressing number of known issues, but that's also because they have non-critical stuff now
[09:31] <pitti> yes
[09:31] <didrocks> pitti: ok, will do (OTP for now) :)
[09:31] <seb128> rickspencer3, seems fine from where I sit but pitti suggested there is quite some issues to document
[09:31] <rickspencer3> seb128, does everyone one of those bugs need to be documented?
[09:31] <pitti> didrocks: sorry, that was IRC fail
[09:31] <seb128> so I guess it's a matter of perspective
[09:31] <rickspencer3> that seems a bit overkill
[09:32] <pitti> rickspencer3: just updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview <- if you feel like proofreading, please do
[09:32]  * rickspencer3 looks
[09:32] <seb128> rickspencer3, I would bother but I've nothing to do with that ;-)
[09:32] <pitti> didrocks: I don't know what's going on, recently weechat seems to act up and randomly put parts of older conversations in my current line
[09:32] <rickspencer3> pitti, so, how do you feel about the beta, are we on track for a good final release, or does it look too buggy these days?
[09:33] <pitti> rickspencer3: once the million unity crashes get fixed, it's looking really good IMHO
[09:33] <rickspencer3> pitti, are all the crashers in compiz?
[09:33] <didrocks> pitti: oh reallly? didn't experience that
[09:33] <pitti> unity in beta-1 itself is, well, a "challenge" to work with :)
[09:33] <rickspencer3> pitti, interesting, so long as I don't try to use a beamer/projector it works well for me
[09:34] <pitti> didrocks: oh, btw, unity also crashes with just the laptop, so it's not (just?) a multi-monitor thing
[09:34] <pitti> but anyway, you said that was in the pipeline already
[09:34] <seb128> rickspencer3, as long as I don't try to start a second session it works fine here
[09:34] <seb128> rickspencer3, but guest session is crash land
[09:34] <pitti> the unity decorator fails there, yes
[09:34] <didrocks> pitti: the crashes or mostly signals not being disconnected, so affect both one or two monitors
[09:34] <pitti> otherwise multiple sessions work  here
[09:34] <rickspencer3> ok
[09:34] <didrocks> pitti: I pinged sam about that and set it as a priority
[09:34] <rickspencer3> so ... I think we've stopped all churn, and can focus 100% on bugs from here out
[09:35] <pitti> and we really need to buy more beer for smspillaz to fix the shadow spillover; this is confusing as hell
[09:35] <seb128> pitti, "In an Ubuntu Classic Session, Compiz crashes after enabling the effects in "Visual Effects" tab. (685682) "
[09:35] <rickspencer3> seb128, pitti, didrocks is there anything I should know about that is work that is not fixing bugs?
[09:35] <seb128> pitti, we don't have a visual effect take since alpha2 or something
[09:35] <pitti> rickspencer3: sabdfl ack'ed the new scrollbars, so that will land
[09:35] <didrocks> rickspencer3: there are some UI freeze exception
[09:35] <pitti> seb128: ah, will remove that then, thanks
[09:35] <seb128> take -> tab
[09:35] <rickspencer3> yeah yeah
[09:35] <didrocks> some still need to be written
[09:36] <rickspencer3> didrocks, is any of that work that will cause churn that will detract from bug fixing?
[09:36] <pitti> seb128: I'll just move it to the general "crashes often" line
[09:36] <didrocks> rickspencer3: let's say there is one person full time not on bug fixing in total
[09:36] <didrocks> sorry, have to be back on mumble, bbiab
[09:37] <huats> morning
[09:37] <rickspencer3> didrocks, who is the one person?
[09:37] <pitti> rickspencer3: Cimi, I guess
[09:38] <didrocks> rickspencer3: it's just a time estimation, not really someone full time, but dispatching
[09:38] <seb128> pitti, no, Cimi is not counted as unity team ressource
[09:38] <rickspencer3> didrocks, ack
[09:38] <pitti> seb128: I thought he'd work on the scrollbars?
[09:38] <seb128> pitti, he was missioned clearly on scrollbars or would be doing gtk3 theming otherwise
[09:38] <seb128> pitti, right, which is not unity ;-)
[09:39] <rickspencer3> seb128, pitti, can you please let me know asap if the scrollbars are detracting work from fixing other bugs?
[09:39] <pitti> right, but he's the "one person"?
[09:39] <seb128> rickspencer3, will do
[09:39] <rickspencer3> pitti, I think didrocks meant that didrocks was the one person ;)
[09:39] <seb128> pitti, no, didrocks estimate that other design change cost a one person time work
[09:39] <pitti> rickspencer3: didrocks counts as two, at least
[09:39] <pitti> ah
[09:39] <rickspencer3> ooh
[09:40] <rickspencer3> didrocks, what is the design change?
[09:40] <didrocks> rickspencer3: can we discuss that in 15 minutes? after my mumbling?
[09:40] <didrocks> hard to follow both discussions right now :)
[09:40] <seb128> rickspencer3, they have been at least changing the way the claim for attention is working, like they will stop showing half icons but turn the bfb blue
[09:40] <didrocks> seb128: not the only one unfortunately
[09:40] <seb128> right
[09:41] <seb128> I've seen yesterday you were still discussing the animations to use for the launcher as well
[09:41] <seb128> didrocks, but finish your mumble ;-)
[09:41] <seb128> that's another thing with dx, they spent their life on calls and mumble ;-)
[09:49] <seb128> pitti, so current iso will be the beta ones? do you have any estimation if we will unfreeze today?
[09:49] <pitti> seb128: not a precise one, couple of hours
[09:50] <pitti> let us finish the CD publishing bits, then we'll discuss that
[09:50] <seb128> ok, so it's "today"
[09:50] <seb128> I was just checking if we can aim at normal indicator update during the u.s day today
[09:50] <seb128> seems we can ;-)
[09:50] <seb128> well in any case we can queue them even if it's still frozen
[09:50] <pitti> right
[09:51] <seb128> it's just I try to be careful about queue things to get them unflushed on a friday evening as that happened before
[09:51] <seb128> queuing
[09:54] <kamstrup> mvo: i've done some more bg research on https://bugs.launchpad.net/xapian/+bug/745243 please see my last comment
[09:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 745243 in unity-foundations "[dash] wrong search result in Chinese" [High,Triaged]
[09:59] <kamstrup> seb128: is libicu44 installed by default, or have I just pulled it in as an odd dep somewhere?
[09:59] <seb128> kamstrup, it's installed by default
[09:59] <seb128> kamstrup, libwebkitgtk-1.0-0 depends on it
[10:02] <kamstrup> *phew* thanks seb128 :-)
[10:02] <seb128> kamstrup, yw ;-)
[10:05] <mvo> kamstrup: thanks! that does indeed not look great
[10:05] <vish> seb128: hi, could you approve the Maverick and Lucid compiz tasks for Bug #438868 ? there is a cgit commit link and the change seems pretty simple for an SRU..
[10:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 438868 in compiz "Numerous applications have focus issues after emerging from a screensaver or suspend" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/438868
[10:06] <kamstrup> mvo: it gets worse... look at my comment from 2s ago
[10:06] <mvo> *grumpf*
[10:06] <mvo> I see
[10:06] <vish> seb128: people confirm bug is fixed in natty, and Amaranth also confirmed the patch is in latest compiz 0.9 git
[10:07] <seb128> does it apply to the 0.8 serie?
[10:07] <kamstrup> mvo: but I am baffled as to how we haven't seen this bug on S-C before with all the time we've been shipping it?
[10:07] <Amaranth> seb128: it was actually fixed in 0.8 first
[10:07] <Amaranth> There was an 0.8.8 release recently that is all nice solid bug fixes just like that one
[10:08] <dpm> hi pitti, good morning. kyleN was doing some testing with unity-2d and noticed that translations were not installed. It happened that they are in the kde langpack. Do you think we should move them to the general langpack?
[10:08] <seb128> is somebody wanting to work on the sru for those?
[10:09]  * vish tried poking Amaranth to do the compiz SRU first, and »  <Amaranth> I can poke at it this weekend or something maybe otherwise I'd poke didrocks or seb128 ;)
[10:09] <vish> also : <Amaranth> didrocks because he does most of the compiz packaging lately and seb128 because he is awesome ;)
[10:09] <seb128> don't count on didrocks or me
[10:09] <seb128> we are focused on natty
[10:09] <vish> we say good things about you behind your back ;)
[10:09] <seb128> ;-)
[10:09] <seb128> well maybe after the natty freeze
[10:09] <seb128> it doesn't seem there is any hurry for that anyway
[10:09] <vish> cool!
[10:10] <seb128> but if someone want to do it before feel free
[10:10] <pitti> dpm: not sure for natty, as you'll need qt for it anyway; for oneiric we certainly should, but then we need to reorganize it a bit anyway (like also moving qt translations to the general one)
[10:12] <vish> seb128: is 0.8.8 update feasible to expect for an SRU? (as Amaranth mentions it has some nice bug fixes..)
[10:12] <vish> 0.8.6 » 0.8.8
[10:12] <vish> or just cherry pick for that bug alone?
[10:13] <seb128> dunno, depends of the number of changes and the diff usually
[10:14] <dpm> pitti, ack. I haven't been able to talk to kyleN since yesterday, so I'm not 100% certain on the steps to reproduce, but I assume he did a default install and didn't get the kde langpack installed and thus unity-2d appeared untranslated. Do you have any ideas of what could be done for natty to ensure this does not happen (apart from the reorganization you are mentioning for oneiric)?
[10:14] <pitti> dpm: the images which ship unity-2d should install the -kde langpacks for the languages it wants to ship by default
[10:15] <pitti> dpm: aside from that, we need to verify that langauge-selector will install the kde ones on unity-2d
[10:16] <dpm> pitti, ok, thanks. I'll get kyleN to check out and file a bug if necessary
[10:16] <pitti> thanks
[10:33] <pitti> rickspencer3: FYI, I cleaned up the tech overview known issues some more
[10:34] <pitti> still very detailled, but at least it doesn't have less important issues or too much technical detail any more
[10:37] <pitti> didrocks: does https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyNarwhal/TechnicalOverview#Unity look alright to you? I updated it a bit, but might have missed something
[10:45] <didrocks> pitti: sounds great, session have even been renamed! :) I added just a note on the fglrx driver
[10:46] <pitti> didrocks: that's further down in "known issues"; perhaps add it there?
[10:47] <rickspencer3> thanks pitti
[10:50] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, I added it there, didn't I?
[10:50] <desrt> dbarth: hi
[10:51] <pitti> didrocks: ah, I meant my blob which I wrote 3 lines above your's
[10:52] <dbarth> desrt: hi
[10:52] <desrt> dbarth: did you receive my email?
[10:53] <didrocks> pitti: should I merge with it, like "please note that even after the upgrade, Unity won't work with it?"
[10:55] <dbarth> desrt: i did. but i'm a bit swamped right now
[10:55] <desrt> dbarth: okay.  no rush.  ping me back when you've had a chance to look it over
[10:56] <desrt> one very quick issue that i wonder if you could help me on (unrelated)
[10:56] <pitti> didrocks: please do, yes; I think these should be mentioned together
[10:57] <desrt> dbarth: i got an email from Darren Spiteri 'via RT'.   when i try to reply to RT i get a "Permission denied" message with no further information and i can't seem to find Darren's email
[10:57] <seb128> didrocks, will you do an unity upload this week?
[10:58] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, this evening is planned for the release, but as the changes are bigs, I don't want to rush on it. Upload early tomorrow morning after a lot of tests
[10:58] <didrocks> pitti: done
[10:59] <seb128> didrocks, ok, I was not sure if we should upload an updated translation template to launchpad manually or wait for the next upload
[10:59] <seb128> didrocks, but seems we can wait for the upload if it's this week
[10:59] <didrocks> seb128: Friday sounds fine?
[10:59] <didrocks> yeah
[10:59] <didrocks> and there is some pending string changes
[10:59] <seb128> didrocks, yeah, I asked in case you were targetting monday
[10:59] <seb128> would be nice to give the weekend to translators to work
[10:59] <didrocks> agreed :)
[11:00] <didrocks> and monday will be the compiz day
[11:00] <seb128> rodrigo_, hey again, do you notice bugs assigned to you from the emails or do you want to be pinged on IRC as well?
[11:00] <seb128> didrocks, ok, thanks
[11:00] <didrocks> yw :)
[11:00] <dpm> didrocks, seb128 if you guys give me or point me to an updated template, I can upload it manually for you if you like
[11:01] <didrocks> dpm: still not fully decided by design, so waiting for a final ack
[11:01] <didrocks> oh, not the string change
[11:01] <dbarth> desrt: forward it to me
[11:01] <didrocks> dpm: well, let's wait on Friday
[11:01] <dpm> didrocks, ok
[11:01] <didrocks> no need to translate strings that can change
[11:01] <seb128> dpm, thanks, we will on the string changes to land
[11:01] <dpm> ok, cool
[11:02] <desrt> dbarth: done
[11:06] <rodrigo_> seb128, if you ping me on irc I'll see them before, as I get a lot of *cough*spam*cough* from the unity bugs :-)
[11:07] <seb128> rodrigo_, ok, ignore the tomboy one and assigned to you and back then, ken already uploaded a fix but he didn't update the bug ;-)
[11:07] <pitti> didrocks: merci
[11:07] <rodrigo_> seb128, ok
[11:07] <rodrigo_> seb128, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/745721 <- this one, right?
[11:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 745721 in tomboy "Ubuntu One sync points to the edge server" [Medium,Fix committed]
[11:07] <didrocks> pitti: ywy
[11:08] <seb128> rodrigo_, correct ;-)
[11:08] <pitti> I need to run out for some errands and lunch, bbl
[12:27] <desrt> why does nautilus have such an odd version number?
[12:28] <seb128> desrt, ?
[12:28] <desrt> 1:2.91.94-0ubuntu1~build1
[12:28] <seb128> what is odd in there?
[12:28] <desrt> specifically the 1: at the start
[12:28] <seb128> that's an epoch
[12:28] <seb128> that's the way to say "the version is higher even if the number is not"
[12:29] <seb128> like 1:2.22 > 2.24
[12:29] <desrt> why does nothing else have it?
[12:29] <seb128> that's what you use when you uploaded a newer serie by error
[12:29] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[12:29] <seb128> some other source have it
[12:29] <chrisccoulson> yes, it's useful if you screw up the version number :)
[12:29] <desrt> ah
[12:29] <desrt> so like if you uploaded nautilus 3.0
[12:29] <desrt> you can use 1:2.22 to get back to 2
[12:29] <seb128> yes
[12:29] <desrt> ...but then have to carry the 1: forever?
[12:29] <seb128> indeed
[12:30] <desrt> ow.
[12:30] <seb128> that's why we often has 2.91.is.2.24 around ;-)
[12:30] <seb128> has -> have
[12:30] <desrt> i guess that sort of thing clears up soon though
[12:30] <seb128> which is a way to workaround the issue without having to carry an epoch number
[12:30] <seb128> right
[12:30] <desrt> ya...
[12:30] <desrt> seems like that solution is quite a lot better
[12:31] <desrt> can't you just drop the epoch in some new release and have the upgrade scripts fix it?
[12:31] <seb128> scripts?
[12:31] <seb128> it's a package management issue
[12:31] <desrt> the update-manager scripts
[12:31] <seb128> how does apt knows to upgrade if the version is lower?
[12:31] <desrt> it could force the non-epoched version
[12:32] <seb128> well some people still use apt-get or aptitude or dselect
[12:32] <seb128> it's not like the epoch number was any issue for users
[12:32] <desrt> ah.  i thought that was officially unsupported because it might result in a not-properly-upgraded system
[12:32] <seb128> it's not even showed in most uis
[12:32] <desrt> true
[12:32]  * desrt is just OCD :)
[12:35] <seb128> desrt, dpkg -l | grep xserver
[12:36] <seb128> if you want example of a stack with an epoch ;-)
[12:39] <desrt> ah ya.. but i don't care about X
[12:39] <desrt> it will die soon anyway
[12:39] <desrt> but nautilus is forever!
[13:22] <fta> hm, the datetime indicator completely confused unity (or compiz). I wanted to go to the settings, nothing happened (no dialog), yet, it was unable to give the focus or close any other window
[13:22] <seb128> it's likely another instance of the compiz invible dialog bug
[13:23] <seb128> should be fixed or workarounded in the next upload
[13:23] <kklimonda> hmm.. a bit ot, but are there "official" 10.04.2 CDs?
[13:24] <kklimonda> good afternoon btw :)
[13:24] <fta> the dialog was invisible. with alt f4, i was able to close all the other apps, and when all my worspaces were empty, i tried a logout. just when compiz died, it exposed the missing dialog
[13:24] <seb128> fta, right, what I just wrote
[13:24] <seb128> kklimonda, cdimage.ubuntu.com has them
[13:24] <kklimonda> (not images, but physical discs)
[13:25] <kklimonda> seb128: ah, I've just noticed my question wasn't specific enough :)
[13:25] <seb128> oh, dunno about that
[13:25] <fta> seb128, oh, i mis-read. i thought you talked about the transparent window on top of everything.
[13:31] <fta> hm, the locations selector in the datetime prefs is weird.
[13:34] <seb128> how weird?
[13:49] <pitti> wow, welcome back GNOME, it's been a while
[13:50] <fta> seb128, http://people.ubuntu.com/~fta/datetime-locations.ogv
[13:50] <seb128> re
[13:50] <seb128> sorry got some flacky internet
[13:52] <pitti> seb128: wb
[13:52] <seb128> fta, there is nothing obviously wrong there but different issues mostly known
[13:53] <seb128> like sorting is not ideal and some locations are missing from the db
[13:53] <seb128> pitti, hey ;-)
[13:53] <seb128> fta, mterry has been fixed quite some bugs this week so wait for the next update
[13:54] <fta> seb128, the completion seems totally broken to me. like no result for a string of length n, but lots for n+1
[13:55] <seb128> fta, it seems to be confused in your case indeed
[13:55] <seb128> not sure if that's because of the space in the location name
[13:55] <seb128> it doesn't happen with i.e paris
[13:55] <fta> also, i can't stop the desktop recording when this dialog is there
[13:56] <seb128> weird
[13:56] <seb128> nessita, ola!
[13:57] <fta> no, same for sydney, so it's not the space
[13:57] <nessita> hi seb128! I saw your emails, I will get to that after my daily stand up (which is in 3 minutes)
[13:57] <seb128> nessita, let me know if the sharing thing work, I've tried to be nice with you and test u1, first time I share something on it ;-)
[13:58] <nessita> seb128: sharing worked, I already accepted, will download soon
[13:58] <seb128> nessita, ok thanks
[13:58] <seb128> mterry, hey
[13:58] <seb128> mterry, do you know if fta's issue is known, fixed or worked?
[13:58] <mterry> seb128, hello!
[13:58] <mterry> seb128, very likely fixed, yes
[13:58] <mterry> seb128, the 'no completion' issue that is
[13:59] <seb128> mterry, right, like typing "sydn" doesn't give you any suggestion
[13:59] <seb128> ok, I will try again with today's updates when they are rolled
[13:59] <seb128> mterry, thanks ;-)
[14:00] <seb128> mterry, ok, your merge requests have been cleaned
[14:00] <seb128> let me try a trunk build then ;-)
[14:04] <seb128> kenvandine, hey
[14:04] <kenvandine> hey seb128
[14:04] <seb128> kenvandine, when you have a moment could you just update the scrollbar patch infos? you let the placeholder info in the patch rather than adding the bug reference etc
[14:05] <seb128> kenvandine, in the gtk patch I mean
[14:05] <kenvandine> oh
[14:05] <kenvandine> damn... i'll do that
[14:05] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks ;-)
[14:05] <kenvandine> also, i uploaded the scrollbars, they are in sourceNEW
[14:05] <seb128> kenvandine, how did your testing with the current version go btw?
[14:05] <seb128> kenvandine, great
[14:05] <kenvandine> but have a couple packaging tweaks in the ~ubuntu-desktop branch since the upload
[14:06] <kenvandine> works fine
[14:06] <seb128> pitti, ^ not sure if you want to source new review the scrollbar lib since that's a ffe
[14:06] <seb128> kenvandine, ok
[14:06] <kenvandine> seb128, well it needs the gtk upload first
[14:06] <kenvandine> to build
[14:07] <seb128> kenvandine, it will depwait if gtk doesn't land
[14:07] <pitti> seb128: doesn't need to be me personally, but I can have a look soon
[14:08] <seb128> pitti, I can do it as well if you want, I was just not sure if we should wait the end of freeze or if there was special rules for ffe exceptions
[14:13] <pitti> seb128: not really; it's a new package, so it can't hurt anything
[14:13] <seb128> pitti, ok, will review it then, thanks
[14:19] <nessita> seb128: ok, I'm ready. As per the log file, I don't think you ran both UI and backend from my branch. May I ask how did you do the test?
[14:20] <seb128> nessita, what backend? I didn't restart that, I installed the package built from the vcs and opened the dialog
[14:20] <seb128> nessita, can I just stop the backend and it will respawn for me?
[14:21] <seb128> nessita, is "backend" the sync daemon?
[14:21] <nessita> seb128: now, the backend is stopped by closing the UI. In beta 1, is not stopped automatically
[14:21] <nessita> seb128: the backend is ubunutone-control-panel-backend
[14:21] <seb128> no such process running
[14:22] <nessita> seb128: did you open the UI before in that sema
[14:22] <nessita> oops
[14:22] <seb128> it seems to exit when I close the dialog
[14:22] <seb128> nessita, well, I installed the updated version with the ui closed
[14:22] <seb128> then cleaned the log dir
[14:22] <seb128> then opened the control panel
[14:22] <seb128> then clicked on devices
[14:22] <seb128> then closed the ui
[14:22] <seb128> then uploaded the log
[14:22] <seb128> nessita, was that wrong? I can do it again if you want
[14:23] <nessita> seb128: can you do the same now, that we're certain that the backend is stopped?
[14:23] <seb128> nessita, done
[14:23] <nessita> seb128: that was fast! :-)
[14:23] <seb128> nessita, the u1 version has been updated
[14:23] <seb128> if you want to download it again
[14:23] <nessita> seb128: I got the new file!
[14:23] <seb128> ;-)
[14:23] <nessita> u1 rocks :-P
[14:23] <seb128> that sync daemon thing seems to work!
[14:24] <seb128> nessita, is that log better?
[14:25] <nessita> seb128: yes, let me do add more debug to the branch since the exception is not coming up yet (that means is happening somewhere else, not where I was expecting)
[14:25] <seb128> nessita, ok, no hurry, I'm online just update the vcs and I will pull and build from it ;-)
[14:25] <nessita> seb128: awesome
[14:28] <kenvandine> seb128, also look over the apport hook in the scrollbars package
[14:28] <seb128> kenvandine, will do
[14:29] <kenvandine> i think several of the checks will just get ignored for most users
[14:29] <kenvandine> if report.has_key("Stacktrace") and "os-scrollbar.c" in report["Stacktrace"]
[14:29] <kenvandine> if they don't have the dbgsyms
[14:29] <kenvandine> but his first check will probably be good enough
[14:31] <desrt> 9MB for usb-modesiwtch due to tcl dependency
[14:31] <desrt> crikey!
[14:32] <pitti> modern languages! *cough*
[14:33] <desrt> it's not even usb-modeswitch, but rather the included 'dispatcher' script
[14:33] <desrt> 900 lines
[14:36] <seb128> kenvandine, well I didn't look at that but the obvious way to do is to check if libsrollbar is in the Stacktrace
[14:36] <seb128> libscrollbar
[14:37] <seb128> kenvandine, the filename will match even if there is no symbols
[14:37] <pitti> desrt: everytime I look at it something in me wants to rewrite that in vala or C..
[14:42] <desrt> pitti: i was thinking python, actually
[14:42] <pitti> desrt: that would make it less heavy, but still very expensive during boot
[14:43] <desrt> ah.  you have a different concern, i see
[14:43] <desrt> would it be possible to integrate the purpose of the script into the main executable?
[14:44] <pitti> desrt: well, not "different" just "bigger"; I don't like the extra dependency as well :)
[14:44] <pitti> desrt: I don't know TBH; so far it has stayed below my "have time for this" treshold unfortunately
[14:44] <desrt> nod.
[14:44] <desrt> did you paing the upstream?
[14:44] <desrt> *ping
[14:45] <pitti> yes, it was discussed with upstream on u-devel@ a while ago
[14:45] <desrt> i guess he doesn't want to do the effort to rewrite his own software?
[14:45] <pitti> AFAIR he'd be okay with shell or python, but didn't like C/Vala (i. e. compiled stuff)
[14:45] <pitti> I don't knwo
[14:45] <desrt> python would still be a substantial improvement
[14:46] <desrt> at least in terms of making the CD-size-nazi component of your personality happy :)
[14:46] <pitti> absolutely
[14:47] <pitti> desrt: and with all the zeitgeist bits now landing, we have essentially lost the "no python in the boot path" battle anyway :/
[14:47] <pitti> but at least this only affects USB 3G cards
[14:47] <pitti> i. e. not something you'd find on smaller arm hardware etc.
[14:47] <desrt> pitti: lost for now :)
[14:47] <pitti> (yet)
[14:47] <desrt> pitti: these things swing back and forth
[14:48] <pitti> desrt: yeah, and at least they can be deferred a bit
[14:48] <desrt> pitti: hopefully arm embedded devices don't ship a wifi card that has windows drivers on it :)
[14:48] <pitti> like we did with system-config-printer
[14:48] <pitti> desrt: builtin 3g cards are fine
[14:48] <pitti> desrt: but plugging an usb 3g card into an arm netbook isn't unthinkable
[14:49] <desrt> ya.  of course.
[14:49] <pitti> but well, *shrug* then you just lose
[14:49] <pitti> ... a second, anyway
[14:50] <desrt> i'm toying around with the idea of an ubuntu-gnome-desktop metapackage :)
[14:51] <desrt> seeing what needs to be in it or not
[14:52] <nessita> mvo: ping
[14:54] <mvo> hello nessita
[14:54] <nessita> mvo: hey there! I've assigned this bug #746397 to the software center, I'm pinging you because I don't want it to fell off the radar. Not sure if you're still working on that though
[14:54] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 746397 in ubuntu-translations "Missing translation when unknown user tries to do a review in software-center" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746397
[14:55] <mvo> nessita: many thanks
[14:56] <nessita> you're welcome :-)
[14:56] <mvo> I fix it right away :)
[14:57] <nessita> mvo: perfect
[15:11] <seb128> kenvandine, do you know if the "show u1 banner" in nautilus is supposed to work?
[15:11] <edenpuls13> exit
[15:11] <kenvandine> seb128, it should on the special dirs
[15:11] <kenvandine> Documents, Music, etc
[15:13] <seb128> kenvandine, interesting
[15:14] <seb128> kenvandine, "hide the banner" is doing nothing there
[15:16] <kenvandine> sounds like a bug
[15:16] <seb128> indeed
[15:16] <seb128> the u1 was not showing up in the nautilus menu on my fresh install either
[15:17] <seb128> but it does after browsing a special directory
[15:17] <seb128> but well, I tried to opened a guest session and intel went kernel panic...
[15:18] <kenvandine> i reproduced the not hiding bug
[15:18] <kenvandine> weird
[15:18] <kenvandine> it also doesn't update the menus
[15:19] <kenvandine> so it must not be connecting to whatever it has to
[15:19] <kenvandine> nessita, ^^
[15:19] <kenvandine> nessita, know anything about the nautilus plugin?
[15:20] <nessita> kenvandine: very little, but I can find someone that knows more. dobey, can you please give a hand to kenvandine with the nautilus plugin?
[15:20] <seb128> she will say it's a nautilus bug again ;-)
[15:20] <kenvandine> hehe
[15:20] <nessita> seb128: nautilus should be gone by now dude ;-)
[15:20] <seb128> ok, so I didn't try u1 a lot before
[15:20] <kenvandine> seb128, this used to work
[15:21] <kenvandine> but i haven't tried hiding the banner in a long time
[15:21] <kenvandine> maybe since maverick
[15:21] <nessita> seb128, kenvandine: anyways, I know our plugin has several issues, I'm not proud of the quality of that :-(
[15:21] <seb128> the ui is a bit rough
[15:21] <seb128> like there is no way from the control panel to open the u1 website
[15:21] <seb128> I'm happy nessita's sent me the url to the website, I didn't found it before the email ;-)
[15:21] <nessita> seb128: OH
[15:22] <kenvandine> haha... links to twitter and facebook but no link to one.ubuntu.com?
[15:22] <seb128> right
[15:22] <seb128> get support from canonical or the community
[15:22] <seb128> buy storage
[15:22] <seb128> twitter, fb
[15:22] <seb128> but nowhere pointing to a u1 website
[15:23] <dobey> what's with the nautilus extension?
[15:23] <kenvandine> dobey, "Hide banner" seems to not do anything
[15:23] <nessita> seb128: well, buy storage and get support both leads to the u1 web site. and in the third tab, you get a 'Ubuntu One website' link you can click on :-)
[15:24] <dobey> kenvandine: oh, hrmm. i've never touched that specific code. rodrigo_ did all that work. so i have no idea why it wouldn't work :)
[15:24] <seb128> hum, crashed
[15:24] <seb128> nessita, right, but I didn't want to get support or buy anything so I didn't dare clicking on those ;-)
[15:25] <seb128> nessita, the third tab is broken for me, maybe once you fix that bug I will have it then ;-)
[15:25] <nessita> seb128: good point. Sadly we're passed UI freeze so I can't make your wish real
[15:25] <seb128> nessita, oh no worry, it's just getting feedback
[15:25] <nessita> seb128: in the last tab, services, you get the link
[15:25] <seb128> is there any way from the desktop to see who you shared a folder with?
[15:25] <seb128> nessita, where?
[15:26] <nessita> seb128: who you shared stuff with? no, we couldn't add that to the control panel (we wanted to, though)
[15:26] <nessita> seb128: do you have a tab called Services?
[15:26] <seb128> bah "copying publishing url" doesn't do anything
[15:27] <seb128> http://ubuntuone.com/p/kLO/
[15:27] <seb128> oh it does now
[15:27] <seb128> nessita, http://ubuntuone.com/p/kLO/
[15:27] <seb128> nessita, where on that screenshot?
[15:27] <nessita> seb128: right, you need to install the desktopcouch plugin :-/. Again, your have a point ;-)
[15:28] <seb128> ok, makes sense now ;-)
[15:28] <nessita> :-)
[15:28] <seb128> btw the "Enable the sync service for this computer" label is weird
[15:28] <seb128> like syncing is enabled, not sure what it has to do there
[15:28] <seb128> nessita, sorry to come with UI issue after ui freeze ;-)
[15:29] <seb128> nessita, I will open some bugs later on for next cycle
[15:29] <nessita> seb128: yes please, that would be very good
[15:38] <seb128> nessita, bug #746468
[15:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 746468 in ubuntuone-control-panel "no obvious link to the website" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746468
[15:39] <mvo> kiwinote: \o/ for your s-c fixes
[15:40] <kiwinote> mvo: yw ;)
[16:01] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, is ctrl+shift+tab not a valid keyboard shortcut combination for a menuitem in gtk?
[16:02] <chrisccoulson> that's what is triggering the console message in firefox, but i can't see anything wrong with my extension (and it's correctly converting the XUL keysyms -> GDK)
[16:10]  * tremolux ^5s kiwinote
[16:11]  * kiwinote high-5s tremolux
[16:26] <rodrigo_> desrt, hey, what g_variant_get_* should I use for an (i) returned via dbus? int32, int16, etc all fail
[16:27] <desrt> g_variant_get(value, "(i)", &your_int)
[16:27] <desrt> equivalently:
[16:27] <rodrigo_> ok
[16:27] <desrt> g_variant_get_child (value, 0, "i", &your_int);
[16:31] <seb128> mpt, hi
[16:32] <seb128> mpt, would you have any opinion on #746160
[16:32] <seb128> ?
[16:33] <mpt> seb128, I agree with your comment, it looks like a duplicate of 732653
[16:34] <seb128> mpt, thanks
[16:38] <seb128> hello desktopers
[16:38] <seb128> did everybody got the people they wanted to see at UDS on the sponsoring list?
[16:40] <hallyn> Uh.  hm.  I don' tknow where to go with this one
[16:40] <hallyn> nearly up-to-date natty, running unity and gnome-desktop with vim on a terminal.
[16:41] <hallyn> if i highlight some text with the mouse,
[16:42] <hallyn> and then in vim go to a different word and say 'cw<shift-insert>', it does what i'd expect, inserting what i highlighted with the mouse
[16:42] <hallyn> but, if i do 'ves<shift-insert>', then it inserts what I just was replacing
[16:43] <hallyn> hm, i see - same on lucid
[16:43] <hallyn> i guess i've just not been on a local terminal in so long i hadn't noticed
[16:43] <hallyn> never mind, carry on i guess
[16:44] <chrisccoulson> w00t, archive open again \o/
[16:47] <bcurtiswx> Sweet, forgot today was Beta 1.  Good work everyone getting there :)
[16:51] <seb128> chrisccoulson, did you get upstream people from mozilla you need on the UDS list?
[16:51] <seb128> no Sweetshark? pitti can you check with him maybe later for libreoffice?
[16:52] <chrisccoulson> seb128 - not yet, but talking to someone now ;)
[16:52] <chrisccoulson> most of them are in the US though, so it's quite a long trip
[16:54] <seb128> chrisccoulson, registration are closed so please jcastro or jasoncwarner know if you have people that needs to be added
[16:55] <seb128> we have been a bit disorganized this time around especially with jasoncwarner not there this week
[16:55] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[16:56] <chrisccoulson> he's holding it altogether normally ;)
[16:57] <seb128> chrisccoulson, who is?§
[17:03] <seb128> rodrigo_, I upload your g-s-d workaround to natty now, ok?
[17:03] <rodrigo_> seb128, yes, please
[17:03] <rodrigo_> seb128, just pushed it to master
[17:03] <rodrigo_> seb128, we'll keep looking for the proper fix for 3.0.1
[17:03] <seb128> rodrigo_, yeah, I'm reading #gnome-hackers ;-)
[17:04] <rodrigo_> ah ok then you know :)
[17:04] <seb128> nessita, ola again ;-)
[17:04] <nessita> seb128: hola!
[17:04] <seb128> nessita, do you need sponsoring still?
[17:05] <nessita> seb128: I have 2 branches waiting for sponsoring, one is for a SRU/UIFFE for maverick and the other is the one that your super powers mentioned I need uploaded ;-)
[17:06] <nessita> seb128: the natty one, https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntu/natty/ubuntu-sso-client/ubuntu-sso-client-1.0.9
[17:06] <nessita> nopes!
[17:06] <seb128> nessita, ok, will take those now
[17:06] <nessita> sorry, this is the natty one! https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntu/natty/ubuntu-sso-client/ubuntu-sso-client-1.2.0
[17:06] <nessita> seb128: the 1.0.9 is a SRU that requires an approval from the release team
[17:06] <nessita> (it has an UI change)
[17:07] <seb128> oh, I see
[17:07] <seb128> I will do the natty one for now then
[17:07] <nessita> thanks!
[17:08] <seb128> yw
[17:11] <seb128> mvo, thanks for the sessioninstaller fix
[17:15] <mvo> seb128: yw!
[17:17]  * nessita -> lunch
[17:18] <seb128> ups, pitti uploaded gdm
[17:19] <pitti> not good?
[17:19] <seb128> there was a merge request for a security update pending
[17:19]  * pitti wanted to clear his "fix committed" list
[17:19] <seb128> I wanted to ping you about it and forgot
[17:19] <seb128> it will be in the next one, no worrry
[17:19] <seb128> -r
[17:28] <didrocks> hum pkgbinarymangler tests works locally, my added one fails on the buildd and all fails in my pbuilder…
[17:28] <pitti> didrocks: hm, on the new test?
[17:30] <didrocks> pitti: yeah https://launchpadlibrarian.net/67800504/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.pkgbinarymangler_94_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz, but locally (with test/run), the world seems wonderful
[17:30] <didrocks> so, I tried on my pbuilder to confirm it and debug it, but all tests fail there… (in build())
[17:31] <pitti> didrocks: hm, it worked for me locally, too; weird
[17:31] <didrocks> seems the .pot file isn't created
[17:32] <didrocks> it's not like the test was rocket science…
[17:33]  * didrocks adds --dont-purge
[17:40] <didrocks> no, bzr bd works…
[17:41] <didrocks> pitti: the only reason I can see it that test.c isn't available for whatever reason in the chroot and so the POTFILES.in is not correct
[17:45] <pitti> didrocks: le huh? it's part of the source tarball
[17:46] <didrocks> pitti: yeah, it's there, but as I can't reproduce easily, that will be a joy to debug
[17:58] <chrisccoulson> rickspencer3, just uploaded a new firefox build with the new window quicklist item ;)
[17:58] <chrisccoulson> hopefully you will find that useful ;)
[18:00] <pitti> DBO: ooh, you fixed bug 741674? thaaanks!
[18:00] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 741674 in unity "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in g_closure_invoke()" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/741674
[18:01] <DBO> pitti, me neil and jay
[18:01] <DBO> in committee
[18:01] <DBO> over mumble
[18:01] <DBO> it was epic
[18:01] <pitti> \o/
[18:01] <pitti> you guys rock
[18:01] <pitti> looking forward to getting a new package with that, this drives me crazy
[18:01] <pitti> (I had to switch back to classic in order to do anything useful)
[18:03] <rickspencer3> chrisccoulson, :)
[18:04] <didrocks> pitti: we need a FFe for utouch first ;)
[18:05] <didrocks> (the new geis landing)
[18:06] <didrocks> bug #742555 FYI
[18:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 742555 in unity "Unity can't get touch the touch initialization signals from GEIS" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/742555
[18:06]  * didrocks waves goodnight
[18:34] <jcastro> dobey: is jono's bug valid?
[18:34] <jcastro> I see music from the U1 store in my library just fine
[18:35] <dobey> jcastro: yes
[18:58] <nessita> mterry: ping
[18:59] <mterry> nessita, yo
[18:59] <nessita> mterry: I'm reading your bug report, and not sure how to handle that. You have a source.list that is not readable by all your users, and apt.cache is not being able to handle that. Any ideas/suggestions?
[18:59] <mterry> nessita, it might be a python-apt bug.  I just got it with ubuntuone, so I figured I'd file it there for starters
[19:00] <nessita> mterry: right, we're using the apt.cache library to query for package availability, but that library is crashing if it can't read a sources file
[19:00] <nessita> mterry: shall I say that in the bug report and re assign to that project?
[19:01] <mterry> nessita, sure
[19:01] <nessita> mterry: great
[19:20] <desrt> tedg: hey
[19:22] <tedg> Howdy desrt
[19:24] <rickspencer3> beta! beta! beta!
[19:29] <patrickmw> yay!
[19:37] <njpatel> RAOF, bryceh ping? Have a quick question about Intel Corporation N10 graphics
[19:37] <njpatel> Q: Is it supported? To what level (GL wise) ? :)
[19:51] <bcurtiswx> \o/ beta release!
[19:52] <bcurtiswx> \oXoXoXoXoXoXoXoXoXoXoXoXoXo/ <-- everyone celebrating?? :P
[20:35]  * tedg is wondering if kenvandine is going to verify all the bug fixes in that indicator-datetime release, if he does, mterry owes him a case of beer ;-)
[20:37]  * mterry recommends kenvandine opens it up, sees it doesn't crash, and calls it a day
[20:38]  * kenvandine just assumes everything mterry does is golden... and goes to drink a beer
[20:40] <hallyn> is there a standard way to ask the debian installer to cause something to get run at login?
[20:41] <hallyn> the open-vm-tools want vmware-user-suid-wrapper to get started at login - until the user does, they are useless
[20:46] <mterry> tedg, what's the best way to fix Glade & appmenu?  (the problem is that windows that the user is editing don't show their menus)  Could we add a per-menubar custom property that glade would set like "appmenu-ignore" or maybe special case glade in appmenu-gtk
[20:46] <tedg> mterry, I believe that such a property already exists...
[20:46] <tedg> Let me look
[20:47]  * mterry loves it when things work already
[20:50] <mterry> tedg, I think there's only show-local, but that's for the whole of appmenu-gtk, not per-menubar
[20:56] <tedg> mterry, I was thinking "ubuntu-no-proxy" which is on the top level.
[20:56] <tedg> mterry, Would that work?
[20:57] <didrocks> re
[20:58] <mterry> tedg, let me see if glade uses actual toplevels in its fake widget hierarchy
[21:01] <seb128> re
[21:01] <seb128> hey didrocks
[21:01] <seb128> dobey, there?
[21:02] <dobey> seb128: hi
[21:02] <seb128> dobey, hey
[21:02] <seb128> dobey, is 746566 an issue you know about?
[21:03] <seb128> dobey, g-s-d crashing in what seems to be it trying to display something about the user being over its quota for ubuntuone
[21:04] <dobey> seb128: are you getting the crash?
[21:04] <seb128> dobey, no, but it has been reported as a landscape case and the submitter is responsive
[21:05] <seb128> dobey, so if you have any question and could ask on the bug
[21:05] <seb128> dobey, he's using 10.10 with current sru updates
[21:05] <seb128> dobey, but he says it's an issue on lucid as well
[21:06] <dobey> well that's not possible, since that code doesn't even exist on lucid; unless he's running nightlies there or something.
[21:07] <seb128> ok, so maybe he confused issues, he was commenting on another bug which is supposed to be fixed
[21:07] <seb128> so I asked him to open a new bug with apport
[21:07] <seb128> that one is a current 10.10 one
[21:07] <seb128> so let's assume it's about this version
[21:08] <dobey> ok, i'll poke at it more closely as soon as i'm done with the branch i'm currently working on that's already overdue for 11.04
[21:10] <seb128> dobey, ok, thanks
[21:17] <kenvandine> mterry, tedg: humm... i am no longer getting events from indicator-datetime
[21:17] <mterry> kenvandine, :-/
[21:17] <kenvandine> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/587976/
[21:17] <mterry> kenvandine, I didn't work on events, my work was all preference-dialog-side
[21:17] <kenvandine> ok
[21:18] <kenvandine> tedg, ^^
[21:18] <mterry> kenvandine, klattimer might know trouble spots
[21:18] <tedg> kenvandine, Events, like from EDS?
[21:18] <mterry> That's a gvariantbuilder that ended up being empty
[21:18] <kenvandine> yeah
[21:19] <tedg> kenvandine, Hmm, no events would be why it's empty :-)
[21:19] <kenvandine> mterry, yeah, but "Number of ECalComponents returned: 0"
[21:19] <kenvandine> tedg, i had events before restarting my session :)
[21:20] <mterry> kenvandine, well I hope you learned your lesson about restarting then  :)
[21:20] <kenvandine> although i have had some auth problems in evo this morning
[21:20] <kenvandine> mterry, hehe :)
[21:20] <mterry> kenvandine, no but seriously, poke klattimer about it tomorrow
[21:20] <mterry> or I will if I get to him first
[21:21] <kenvandine> i will
[21:21] <seb128> get tedg to fix it ;-)
[21:21] <seb128> no offense to karl but it might be that we will not get anything to upload this week if we wait on him to fix it
[21:21] <kenvandine> it says "Will highlight 1 days from Thu Mar 31 16:16:31 2011"
[21:21] <kenvandine> it used to check a week out
[21:21] <kenvandine> then display the next 5 out of what it finds
[21:24] <tedg> Yeah, I can fix it in a sec.  Fighting with all the UDS stuff.
[21:24] <tedg> Does it seem like we've not got more forms to fill out?
[21:24] <tedg> (with the same data)
[21:24] <kenvandine> tedg, ok... if i add a new one it does pick it up
[21:25] <seb128> kenvandine, sudo apt-get install indicator-datetime/natty, restart the service and see if it works?
[21:25] <seb128> kenvandine, just to make sure it's the indicator
[21:26] <kenvandine> i figured it out
[21:26] <kenvandine> it looks like it doesn't pull events from the next month
[21:26] <kenvandine> so it is only getting them for today
[21:26] <kenvandine> i had one there just a little bit ago, but it was my 1:1 with jason which has passed
[21:26] <kenvandine> i wonder why it doesn't cross over into next month
[21:27] <seb128> not likely a new bug, I noticed today that mine was listed only 2 events
[21:27] <kenvandine> yeah
[21:27] <seb128> which I though was weird
[21:27]  * kenvandine ignores that for now
[21:27] <kenvandine> not a regression
[21:27] <kenvandine> just weird
[21:27] <seb128> but I didn't match it to the month thing
[21:27] <seb128> nice catch
[21:27] <seb128> can you open a bug and assign it to karl?
[21:27] <kenvandine> yeah
[21:28] <kenvandine> he actually checks for the first of the month and compares
[21:28] <kenvandine> so it is intentional
[21:28] <kenvandine> i'll file a bug
[21:29] <seb128> weird
[21:32] <seb128> tedg, btw how is your nautilus fixing going?
[21:32] <tedg> seb128, Oh, that's done...  did I not give you the patch
[21:32] <seb128> tedg, what about the libappindicator fallback icons breakage?
[21:32] <seb128> tedg, no you didn't
[21:32] <tedg> seb128, That was ubuntu-mono
[21:32] <tedg> seb128, Uhm, let me find the patch
[21:33] <seb128> tedg, no
[21:33] <seb128> tedg, it's not the icon cache which breaks it
[21:34] <seb128> it's a bug in the lib
[21:35] <tedg> seb128, Which bug do you want it on?  bug 742972 bug 744298 or bug 742982
[21:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 742972 in nautilus "missing action Change Desktop Background" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/742972
[21:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 744298 in nautilus "Help item on Desktop should not be "Ubuntu Documentation"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/744298
[21:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 742982 in nautilus "regression: can not resize icons on desktop" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/742982
[21:35] <tedg> seb128, Hmm, that's not my understanding.  I thought the icon cache thing fixed it...
[21:35] <kenvandine> seb128, bug 746713
[21:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 746713 in indicator-datetime "Upcoming events aren't listed if they are in a different month" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746713
[21:35] <kenvandine> i assigned it to karl
[21:36] <tedg> cyphermox, Did the fix to ubuntu-mono fix the fallback icons for libappindicator?
[21:36] <cyphermox> tedg, no, I filed another bug about what I found, hold on
[21:37] <cyphermox> tedg, bug 746495
[21:37] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 746495 in libappindicator "broken fallback icons in standard notification-area" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746495
[21:37] <cyphermox> seems like the issue comes from the use of -panel, since if I create a symlink to add it things magically start working
[21:38] <tedg> cyphermox, Okay, assigned to me.
[21:39] <cyphermox> I don't think it makes sense to start shipping 20-30 new symlinks to icons in ubuntu-mono and Humanity because of this though -- the icons are there already, and nm-applet already calls them by the name they are known as (afaik, so does g-p-m and gnome-bluetooth)
[21:39] <kenvandine> tedg, got any more releases coming?
[21:39] <tedg> kenvandine, I don't think so.
[21:39] <kenvandine> i've done them all up to indicator-datetime
[21:39] <kenvandine> great..
[21:39]  * kenvandine is heading out for an hour or so :)
[21:39] <seb128> impressive indicate-datetime upload
[21:40] <seb128> well done mterry and co ;-)
[21:40] <kenvandine> seb128, yeah :)
[21:40] <kenvandine> woot
[21:40] <seb128> now if we only could have localized locations
[21:40]  * kenvandine waves... bbiab
[22:21] <pitti> mterry: ok, this looks better; p-d-e now properly finds all relative imports
[22:22] <mterry> pitti, oh hot!
[22:22] <mterry> pitti, how do you detect the others?
[22:23] <pitti> mterry: I got rid of the "filter out locally provided modules" before, and always try an __import__, first absolute, then relative
[22:23] <pitti> and then just ask the resulting module about its __name__
[22:23] <pitti> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~python-distutils-extra-hackers/python-distutils-extra/debian/revision/248
[22:23] <mterry> pitti, ah, cool  :)
[22:24]  * pitti fixes the "buildin" typo
[22:24] <pitti> with that, good night everyone!
[22:25] <mterry> :)
[22:28] <seb128> 'night pitti
[22:52] <seb128> robert_ancell, hey!
[22:52] <robert_ancell> seb128, hello
[22:52] <seb128> robert_ancell, how are you?
[22:53] <robert_ancell> awake; just.
[22:58] <seb128> robert_ancell, did you notice yelp not working correctly in quite some cases? I tried to do the f1 thing in different desktop applications yesterday and it often leads to an error page
[22:58] <seb128> i.e gedit
[22:58] <robert_ancell> seb128, ah, no
[22:58] <seb128> or nautilus
[22:58] <seb128> so I'm not sure if that's a bug in those applications
[22:58] <seb128> or if support for some ?index=... is broken
[22:58] <robert_ancell> seb128, ah, confirmed.  What's the number?
[22:59] <seb128> none
[22:59] <robert_ancell> ok, will look at that
[22:59] <seb128> I didn't open one, I just noticed during beta testing
[22:59] <seb128> but I was not sure if that was yelp or the documentation that need an update
[22:59] <robert_ancell> It could be the url has changed
[23:01] <seb128> ok
[23:02] <seb128> robert_ancell, did you have any specific sync now that we are unfrozen? I did the few I spoted from version but there was not a lot
[23:02] <robert_ancell> checking...
[23:03] <robert_ancell> no, I think that should be it
[23:04] <seb128> ok
[23:04] <seb128> so I'm off for today
[23:04] <seb128> have a nice friday and weekend
[23:04] <seb128> 'night
[23:43] <patrickmw> tremolux, thanks for updating bug 746768.   Regarding that same test case (sc-016), I was unable to reproduce steps 4 and 5 successfully
[23:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 746768 in software-center "no button to install packages searched in a custom list (dup-of: 712903)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746768
[23:43] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 712903 in software-center "Cannot install packages using a custom list" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/712903
[23:43] <tremolux> patrickmw: hiya!  just looking
[23:44] <patrickmw> tremolux, for example "gobby" works, "abcde works, but "gobby,abcde" or "abcde,gobby" also displays gobby
[23:46] <patrickmw> s/also/only
[23:46] <tremolux> patrickmw: ok, let me check this
[23:49] <tremolux> patrickmw: I'm a little unclear, so, are you testing with 3.1.24.4?
[23:50] <patrickmw> tremolux, correct
[23:50] <tremolux> patrickmw: ah, the fix for bug 746768 is not yet released
[23:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 746768 in software-center "no button to install packages searched in a custom list (dup-of: 712903)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746768
[23:50] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 712903 in software-center "Cannot install packages using a custom list" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/712903
[23:50] <patrickmw> tremolux, glad I checked and did write another dup :) thanks!
[23:51] <tremolux> patrickmw: sure, thank you!
[23:51] <tremolux> patrickmw: that fix will be in 3.1.25, and should be released tomorrow
[23:52] <patrickmw> tremolux, what good timing
[23:52] <tremolux> patrickmw: haha, yeah  :)
[23:52] <tremolux> patrickmw: btw, I have a question for you
[23:53] <patrickmw> tremolux, I started a few automated tests last week, trying to get more committed before eow
[23:53]  * patrickmw is all ears
[23:53] <tremolux> patrickmw: I see
[23:53] <tremolux> patrickmw: so, it's about bug 739908
[23:53] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 739908 in software-center "ERROR - "failed to parse" when opening installed application details" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/739908
[23:54] <tremolux> patrickmw: so, that's an intermittent error that we sometimes see from the ratings and reviews server
[23:54] <tremolux> patrickmw: I guess that the problem is that the error appearing like that causes problems with Mago, is that correct?
[23:56] <patrickmw> tremolux, here's what I've noticed.  (For a mago test) when I select an application that is already installed, and then open its details, I can no longer interact with software center
[23:56] <tremolux> patrickmw: even if you don't get that error message?
[23:57] <patrickmw> tremolux, I think I meant to add software-center as an affected project.  But, when I check the software-center log, it's littered with the 301 erros
[23:59] <patrickmw> tremolux, I'd say don't worry about it right now. I am focused on this for the rest of the week.
[23:59] <patrickmw> tremolux, I'll try some things and keep you updated
[23:59] <tremolux> patrickmw: you mean bug 739908 ?
[23:59] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 739908 in software-center "ERROR - "failed to parse" when opening installed application details" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/739908