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| NCommander | #startmeeting | 16:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is NCommander. | 16:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 16:00 |
| * NCommander mutters something about the sun | 16:00 | |
| ogra_ | its called oracle nowadays, no ? | 16:01 |
| NCommander | ogra_: that pun made my head hurt | 16:01 |
| NCommander | [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110331# | 16:01 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110331# | 16:01 |
| davidm__ | ogra_, true enough, I think they are selling off the sun.com domain | 16:01 |
| NCommander | Need a moment to fix it, the page didn't save last night | 16:01 |
| NCommander | there are no standing items | 16:02 |
| ogra_ | wohoo | 16:02 |
| NCommander | er | 16:02 |
| NCommander | action items | 16:02 |
| NCommander | [topic] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html | 16:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html | 16:02 |
| NCommander | and http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-ubuntu-11.04-beta-2.html | 16:02 |
| ogra_ | no action items, working images .... | 16:02 |
| ogra_ | we should all go on holiday immediately ! | 16:02 |
| ogra_ | :) | 16:03 |
| NCommander | ogra_: indeed | 16:03 |
| NCommander | Burndown charts look good | 16:03 |
| * ogra_ twiddles thumbs waiting for FF | 16:03 | |
| NCommander | although I don't know when I got this work item: | 16:03 |
| NCommander | "other-design-n-chinaUndefinedElliot Murphy, Michael Casadevall: Ensure that it becomes easy to download Ubuntu and updates within China | 16:03 |
| NCommander | " | 16:03 |
| ogra_ | FF4 on 512M is really painful | 16:03 |
| janimo | ogra_, what about chromium? | 16:03 |
| NCommander | ogra_: we should ship chromium out of the box, maybe a bug for UDS | 16:04 |
| ogra_ | janimo, neon issues i think, SIGILL on startup | 16:04 |
| janimo | ogra_, ah, tegra | 16:04 |
| ogra_ | i havent researched yet since i'm not sure its tegra specific | 16:04 |
| rsalveti | :-) | 16:04 |
| highvoltage | any full-featured web browser will be tough on 512MB, it's not a browser issue, it's the data you load with it | 16:04 |
| ogra_ | FF3 is fine | 16:04 |
| highvoltage | web pages are fhuge | 16:04 |
| ogra_ | actually a lot better than 4 | 16:04 |
| ogra_ | swaps a lot less | 16:05 |
| janimo | ogra_, I wonder what FF4 for android does - although those phones may have more than 512M | 16:05 |
| ogra_ | so our reputation for beta 2 fully hangs on ricardo :) | 16:05 |
| GrueMaster | I forgot to close out my 1 outstanding item (add headless to iso tracker). Closed now. | 16:05 |
| rsalveti | well, not my nexus s | 16:05 |
| rsalveti | and it runs quite well | 16:05 |
| NCommander | rsalveti: thought you had a samsung galaxy S | 16:05 |
| rsalveti | had :-) | 16:05 |
| * NCommander has 512MiB on his Nexus One, and 256 on his G1 and they were both good | 16:06 | |
| rsalveti | ogra_: yeah :-) | 16:06 |
| NCommander | rsalveti: so you replaced your phone ... with the same phone? | 16:06 |
| rsalveti | but actually depending on progress by linaro | 16:06 |
| ogra_ | anyway, lets move on, there are some kernel bugs we need to talk over | 16:06 |
| * janimo is yet to own a phone that knows better than grayscale and have > 2" screen | 16:06 | |
| rsalveti | NCommander: yup, but naturally with a newer android version | 16:06 |
| rsalveti | so, move | 16:06 |
| NCommander | [topic] Unity 2D Status | 16:07 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Unity 2D Status | 16:07 |
| ogra_ | fine so far, i will get the final code dump from upstream on the 7th | 16:07 |
| ogra_ | final freeze is the 10th btw | 16:07 |
| ogra_ | kate moved it forward | 16:08 |
| davidm__ | Nice, they look to be closing bugs pretty well now | 16:08 |
| ogra_ | oh, i had a list even | 16:08 |
| * ogra_ digs | 16:08 | |
| ogra_ | https://launchpad.net/unity-2d/+milestone/3.8.2 | 16:09 |
| ogra_ | thats it for u-2d | 16:09 |
| ogra_ | if you find any additional bugs you want fixed, raise them with upstream please | 16:09 |
| ogra_ | move (unless there are questions) | 16:10 |
| NCommander | [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti) | 16:11 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti) | 16:11 |
| rsalveti | Ubuntu-2.6.38-1207.10 finally hit the archive for omap4 | 16:11 |
| ogra_ | pgraner gave me a list of bugs from beta teating he wants to have properly adressed ... | 16:11 |
| rsalveti | with display and hdmi audio fixes included | 16:11 |
| ogra_ | bug 746133 | 16:11 |
| GrueMaster | Need more fixes in both areas. | 16:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 746133 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu) "Video loses sync on omap4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746133 | 16:11 |
| ogra_ | bug 746137 | 16:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 746137 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu Natty) "Page allocation failure on omap4" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746137 | 16:12 |
| rsalveti | yeah, luckily GrueMaster was able to hit display issues with this kernel | 16:12 |
| rsalveti | as nobody had any issues | 16:12 |
| ogra_ | he also mentioned bug 651302 but there shouldnt be any kernel stuff to do | 16:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 651302 in Ubuntu Natty "No sound in omap (beagle, beagleXM)." [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651302 | 16:12 |
| rsalveti | not for beagle | 16:12 |
| * ogra_ didnt have a single display issue with headless ;) | 16:12 | |
| GrueMaster | Wrong bug | 16:12 |
| rsalveti | the page allocation failure I'm waiting a new test | 16:12 |
| ogra_ | well, thats not true, i did | 16:13 |
| rsalveti | that I requested at the bug | 16:13 |
| GrueMaster | bug 746023 | 16:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 746023 in alsa-lib (Ubuntu) "No sound on omap4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746023 | 16:13 |
| GrueMaster | That one I filed against alsa-lib (UCM). | 16:13 |
| rsalveti | again we should spend some time fixing the audio issues for both boards | 16:13 |
| ogra_ | GrueMaster, in any case there shouldnt be any kernel work even for trhat one | 16:13 |
| ogra_ | right | 16:13 |
| ogra_ | rsalveti, well, for panda its a matter of getting the UCM config file | 16:14 |
| GrueMaster | There shouldn't be kernel work for either board sound issues. | 16:14 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 16:14 |
| GrueMaster | Beagle works with minor tweaks in alsamixer. | 16:14 |
| ogra_ | we should also get the highmem issue higer on someones todo | 16:14 |
| ogra_ | doesnt really feel like anyone looks into it | 16:15 |
| rsalveti | well, current status is that it appears in some boards | 16:15 |
| ogra_ | agreen always starts talking about bluetooth if you ask him about highmem :) | 16:15 |
| rsalveti | because he's unable to reproduce it with his board | 16:15 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 16:15 |
| ogra_ | but everyone else is, no ? | 16:16 |
| rsalveti | so it's possible to be related with the hardware | 16:16 |
| ogra_ | his might be broken in a fixing way ;) | 16:16 |
| rsalveti | ogra_: not everyone else, some people from the community are also unable to reproduce it | 16:16 |
| ogra_ | ah | 16:16 |
| ogra_ | weird | 16:16 |
| rsalveti | yeah | 16:17 |
| NCommander | can I move? | 16:17 |
| ogra_ | but losing 256M on the buildds is bad | 16:17 |
| rsalveti | not yet | 16:17 |
| janimo | rsalveti, so I should set panda mem use in boot.scr to 1G if I want to test this? | 16:17 |
| rsalveti | janimo: yes | 16:17 |
| ogra_ | for that we should really have some kind of fix or workaround in place | 16:17 |
| rsalveti | it'd be good if everyone could help testing it | 16:17 |
| ogra_ | NCommander, action :) | 16:17 |
| rsalveti | and on other topic, robclark published the drm driver for omap | 16:18 |
| ogra_ | nice | 16:18 |
| rsalveti | to be used at omap 4 so we can have xrandr at the xserver driver | 16:18 |
| NCommander | [action] janimo to test panda with mem=1G | 16:18 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: janimo to test panda with mem=1G | 16:18 |
| rsalveti | as it also probes for edid, I'm testing the dvi support | 16:18 |
| rsalveti | and porting it to be used by omap 3 as well | 16:18 |
| rsalveti | so we can also have edid parsing and proper resolution setting | 16:18 |
| ogra_ | NCommander, s/janimo/everyone with a panda/ | 16:18 |
| davidm__ | perhaps we need to send agreen a board that shows the highmem problem | 16:18 |
| janimo | rsalveti, what kind of loads make the highmem issue appear? I mostly do builds | 16:19 |
| ogra_ | janimo, builds do | 16:19 |
| rsalveti | current status is the drm driver is working with omap3, but still needs more debugging at the edid parsing for dvi | 16:19 |
| ogra_ | ;) | 16:19 |
| rsalveti | janimo: mostly builds | 16:19 |
| rsalveti | janimo: we used to build kernel | 16:19 |
| rsalveti | after 2, 3 builds it fails | 16:19 |
| * rsalveti looking for the bug number | 16:20 | |
| rsalveti | bug 633227 | 16:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 633227 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu Natty) "instabilities with highmem activated" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/633227 | 16:20 |
| rsalveti | any other question for kernel? | 16:21 |
| NCommander | [action] everyone with a panda to test panda with mem=1G | 16:21 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: everyone with a panda to test panda with mem=1G | 16:21 |
| * NCommander is mentally lagging, too early | 16:21 | |
| rsalveti | not that related but I should be updating the x-loader package soon | 16:21 |
| rsalveti | so we can have es2.2 support | 16:21 |
| ogra_ | i dont think mem=1G is the right arg | 16:22 |
| janimo | what is the missing 512M-460M in the first address region is for? Video? | 16:22 |
| rsalveti | ducati | 16:22 |
| ogra_ | you need to respect the memory hole for ducati | 16:22 |
| janimo | mem=460M@0x80000000 mem=512M@0xA0000000 | 16:22 |
| rsalveti | if you're just building, no problem | 16:22 |
| janimo | from the bugreport | 16:22 |
| ogra_ | right, | 16:22 |
| rsalveti | you can get everything for you | 16:22 |
| rsalveti | janimo: that would be the args we'd use at the netbook image | 16:22 |
| rsalveti | so we can have everything working | 16:22 |
| rsalveti | but for this test you can simply use 1g | 16:23 |
| ogra_ | ah, good | 16:23 |
| janimo | rsalveti, but I can use 1G@0x80000000 on headless? | 16:23 |
| rsalveti | janimo: yup | 16:23 |
| janimo | or with not address at all even? | 16:23 |
| janimo | rsalveti, ok thanks. Will do | 16:23 |
| rsalveti | move? | 16:24 |
| NCommander | [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) | 16:24 |
| MootBot | New Topic: ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) | 16:24 |
| ogra_ | just pre-published for beta :) | 16:25 |
| ogra_ | nothing else to report ... | 16:25 |
| ogra_ | well | 16:25 |
| ogra_ | we need the TI icon back and dont have a bug for that yet | 16:25 |
| GrueMaster | Why was it even removed? It could have been left in place with nothing to install. | 16:26 |
| ogra_ | GrueMaster, persia insisted it shouldnt live in jasper | 16:27 |
| ogra_ | it was one of my items in the jasper rewrite spec | 16:27 |
| ogra_ | we have a package for it now, but i need to MIR it and see that i integrate the bits and pieces in jasper again | 16:28 |
| ogra_ | (since they live in different places now) | 16:28 |
| NCommander | (can I move?) | 16:30 |
| ogra_ | sure | 16:30 |
| GrueMaster | So, what should the bug be filed against? | 16:30 |
| ogra_ | GrueMaster, hmm, good question | 16:31 |
| NCommander | [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster) | 16:31 |
| MootBot | New Topic: QA Status (GrueMaster) | 16:31 |
| ogra_ | ti-omap4-software-channel is the new package | 16:31 |
| GrueMaster | With all of the major changes just before Beta 1 release, a lot of deep testing has to be restarted. Minimal testing was done for the release to ensure no major show-stopper bugs existed. | 16:32 |
| rsalveti | tested omap 3 and omap 4 while doing the drm stuff and they seems fine | 16:33 |
| GrueMaster | I have not had a chance to really deep dive into unity-2d or to see what other kernel issues I can dig up yet due to release testing. | 16:33 |
| rsalveti | besides the audio issues and the display ones you saw | 16:33 |
| GrueMaster | On a good note, banshee played (silently) through the night on my panda. | 16:34 |
| GrueMaster | No crashes. | 16:34 |
| ogra_ | well, it did that before on my tegra :P | 16:35 |
| ogra_ | we just support the wrong smp HW it seems :) | 16:35 |
| GrueMaster | I don't consider your tegra a valid test due to the ancient kernel & unsupported system. | 16:35 |
| ogra_ | system is the same as omap | 16:36 |
| GrueMaster | As I was able to reproduce the crash on my tegra dev platform with a newer kernel. | 16:36 |
| ogra_ | but yeah, the kernel is old | 16:36 |
| GrueMaster | That's all I have to report. | 16:37 |
| ogra_ | NCommander, ? | 16:38 |
| NCommander | [topic] AOB | 16:38 |
| MootBot | New Topic: AOB | 16:38 |
| ogra_ | specs ? | 16:39 |
| ogra_ | do we have a wikipage or something to collect them ? | 16:39 |
| rsalveti | for uds? | 16:39 |
| rsalveti | something we should start working on soon | 16:39 |
| ogra_ | yes | 16:39 |
| ogra_ | at least collect some rough ideas | 16:39 |
| rsalveti | don't think we have a wiki for that yet | 16:40 |
| davidm__ | I have a request | 16:40 |
| ogra_ | hmm, usually persia sets up that stuff, but i dont think he has time for it atm | 16:40 |
| davidm__ | I'd like to see us document our final releases very well, what works, what does not any thing we have found out over the development time | 16:41 |
| davidm__ | have a specific web page, more then release notes | 16:41 |
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| davidm | make that wiki page | 16:42 |
| rsalveti | make sense, would be good to have | 16:42 |
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| Guest93656 | persia is having severe connectivity problems and I don't know when that will change | 16:42 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 16:42 |
| * ogra_ wouldnt expect different | 16:42 | |
| GrueMaster | I should be able to start on that next week while I am temporarily layed up. | 16:42 |
| rsalveti | action? | 16:43 |
| ogra_ | GrueMaster to create OnericIdeas wikipage :) | 16:43 |
| ogra_ | NCommander, ^^ | 16:43 |
| GrueMaster | Actually, I was referring to davidm's stuff. | 16:43 |
| ogra_ | how do we call the other one ? | 16:44 |
| ogra_ | oh, i was getting to that ;) | 16:44 |
| ogra_ | NattyKnownIssues ? NattyReleaseStresstested ? | 16:44 |
| Guest93656 | I think its specific to each SoC so we need an OMAP 3 Beagle and Beagle xm and an OMAP 4 Panada page | 16:44 |
| GrueMaster | Natty Nigglets | 16:44 |
| NCommander | [topic] GrueMaster to create OnericIdeas wikipage | 16:45 |
| MootBot | New Topic: GrueMaster to create OnericIdeas wikipage | 16:45 |
| NCommander | er | 16:45 |
| NCommander | [action GrueMaster to create OnericIdeas wikipage | 16:45 |
| rsalveti | :-) | 16:45 |
| Guest93656 | Natty Image Status | 16:45 |
| ogra_ | natty niglets sounds nice ;) | 16:45 |
| NCommander | [action] GrueMaster to create OnericIdeas wikipage | 16:45 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: GrueMaster to create OnericIdeas wikipage | 16:45 |
| ogra_ | NCommander, [action] everyone, add spec ideas to that wikipage | 16:46 |
| NCommander | [action] everyone to add spec ideas to wikipage | 16:46 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: everyone to add spec ideas to wikipage | 16:46 |
| Guest93656 | NCommander, [ACTION] GrueMaster to document released images | 16:46 |
| NCommander | [ACTION] GrueMaster to document released images | 16:48 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: GrueMaster to document released images | 16:48 |
| NCommander | Anything else | 16:48 |
| NCommander | or can I close the meeting? | 16:48 |
| davidm | That was the main thing from me | 16:48 |
| ogra_ | nothing here | 16:48 |
| davidm | finally I got my nick back | 16:48 |
| rsalveti | ok by me | 16:48 |
| * ogra_ finds it ok too that davidm got his nick back :) | 16:49 | |
| NCommander | closing in 3 | 16:49 |
| NCommander | 2 | 16:49 |
| NCommander | 1 | 16:49 |
| NCommander | #endmeeting | 16:49 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 10:49. | 16:49 |
| emma | When is the next Ubuntu meeting? | 17:44 |
| MichealH | emma: See /topic | 17:44 |
| emma | Joeb454: are the Ubuntu meetings for the whole community still held in here? | 17:45 |
| emma | MichealH: I did see the topic, the link there doesn't seem to have up to date info? | 17:45 |
| IdleOne | The are | 17:45 |
| IdleOne | they | 17:45 |
| emma | http://fridge.ubuntu.com/ | 17:46 |
| emma | that takes me to an ubuntu-news page | 17:47 |
| Ampelbein | emma: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | 17:47 |
| IdleOne | last one was on the 24th | 17:47 |
| IdleOne | usually every two weeks iirc | 17:47 |
| IdleOne | seems every week | 17:48 |
| emma | right so that's not up to date as far as I know. | 17:49 |
| emma | Oh I see you were saying "they are" to the question about whether the meetings are in here. | 17:49 |
| emma | :) | 17:49 |
| pleia2 | emma: there are several meetings each day, what are you looking for specifically? | 17:49 |
| IdleOne | err I was looking at the wrong page, sorry I literally still have smoke in my eyes | 17:50 |
| pleia2 | (and the link does correctly redirect, I'm not sure why you're not getting the calendar) | 17:50 |
| emma | I would like take something that really bothers me to the Ubuntu Community beyond IRC. | 17:50 |
| pleia2 | so you're looking for a community council meeting? | 17:50 |
| emma | Right. | 17:51 |
| pleia2 | according to that link the next one is april 5th at 20:00 UTC | 17:51 |
| pleia2 | it has a link to the agenda, etc | 17:51 |
| pleia2 | which you can add to | 17:51 |
| IdleOne | next ircc meeting is April 9th https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda | 17:52 |
| IdleOne | just in case you wanted that info also | 17:52 |
| emma | is there a page like that for the community council? | 17:54 |
| IdleOne | probably is | 17:54 |
| pleia2 | from the calendar: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda | 17:54 |
| pleia2 | emma: what page is it redirecting you to? I'm not sure why you can't see this :\ | 17:55 |
| IdleOne | link in topic goes to http://www.ubuntu-news.org/calendars/fridge/ and with a little reading it is pretty easy to find the info | 17:56 |
| pleia2 | yeah, she said it wasn't | 17:56 |
| pleia2 | (works for me too) | 17:56 |
| IdleOne | but the first time I clicked on it directed me to a wiki with a template on how to create meeting pages | 17:56 |
| IdleOne | so emma may have had the same experience | 17:56 |
| pleia2 | hmm, weird | 17:56 |
| emma | Yes that is different this time. | 17:57 |
| IdleOne | glitch in the matrix apparently | 17:57 |
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