=== jjohansen is now known as jj-afk === jj-afk is now known as jjohansen === Ursinha-bbl is now known as Ursinha === skaet is now known as skaet_zzz === thermi is now known as Thermi === doko_ is now known as doko === skaet_zzz is now known as skaet === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan === yofel_ is now known as yofel [15:59] moo [16:00] #startmeeting [16:00] Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is NCommander. [16:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:00] * NCommander mutters something about the sun [16:01] its called oracle nowadays, no ? [16:01] ogra_: that pun made my head hurt [16:01] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110331# [16:01] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110331# [16:01] ogra_, true enough, I think they are selling off the sun.com domain [16:01] Need a moment to fix it, the page didn't save last night [16:02] there are no standing items [16:02] wohoo [16:02] er [16:02] action items [16:02] [topic] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html [16:02] New Topic: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel.html [16:02] and http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/ubuntu-armel-ubuntu-11.04-beta-2.html [16:02] no action items, working images .... [16:02] we should all go on holiday immediately ! [16:03] :) [16:03] ogra_: indeed [16:03] Burndown charts look good [16:03] * ogra_ twiddles thumbs waiting for FF [16:03] although I don't know when I got this work item: [16:03] "other-design-n-china Undefined Elliot Murphy, Michael Casadevall: Ensure that it becomes easy to download Ubuntu and updates within China [16:03] " [16:03] FF4 on 512M is really painful [16:03] ogra_, what about chromium? [16:04] ogra_: we should ship chromium out of the box, maybe a bug for UDS [16:04] janimo, neon issues i think, SIGILL on startup [16:04] ogra_, ah, tegra [16:04] i havent researched yet since i'm not sure its tegra specific [16:04] :-) [16:04] any full-featured web browser will be tough on 512MB, it's not a browser issue, it's the data you load with it [16:04] FF3 is fine [16:04] web pages are fhuge [16:04] actually a lot better than 4 [16:05] swaps a lot less [16:05] ogra_, I wonder what FF4 for android does - although those phones may have more than 512M [16:05] so our reputation for beta 2 fully hangs on ricardo :) [16:05] I forgot to close out my 1 outstanding item (add headless to iso tracker). Closed now. [16:05] well, not my nexus s [16:05] and it runs quite well [16:05] rsalveti: thought you had a samsung galaxy S [16:05] had :-) [16:06] * NCommander has 512MiB on his Nexus One, and 256 on his G1 and they were both good [16:06] ogra_: yeah :-) [16:06] rsalveti: so you replaced your phone ... with the same phone? [16:06] but actually depending on progress by linaro [16:06] anyway, lets move on, there are some kernel bugs we need to talk over [16:06] * janimo is yet to own a phone that knows better than grayscale and have > 2" screen [16:06] NCommander: yup, but naturally with a newer android version [16:06] so, move [16:07] [topic] Unity 2D Status [16:07] New Topic: Unity 2D Status [16:07] fine so far, i will get the final code dump from upstream on the 7th [16:07] final freeze is the 10th btw [16:08] kate moved it forward [16:08] Nice, they look to be closing bugs pretty well now [16:08] oh, i had a list even [16:08] * ogra_ digs [16:09] https://launchpad.net/unity-2d/+milestone/3.8.2 [16:09] thats it for u-2d [16:09] if you find any additional bugs you want fixed, raise them with upstream please [16:10] move (unless there are questions) [16:11] [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti) [16:11] New Topic: Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti) [16:11] Ubuntu-2.6.38-1207.10 finally hit the archive for omap4 [16:11] pgraner gave me a list of bugs from beta teating he wants to have properly adressed ... [16:11] with display and hdmi audio fixes included [16:11] bug 746133 [16:11] Need more fixes in both areas. [16:11] Launchpad bug 746133 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu) "Video loses sync on omap4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746133 [16:11] bug 746137 [16:12] Launchpad bug 746137 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu Natty) "Page allocation failure on omap4" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746137 [16:12] yeah, luckily GrueMaster was able to hit display issues with this kernel [16:12] as nobody had any issues [16:12] he also mentioned bug 651302 but there shouldnt be any kernel stuff to do [16:12] Launchpad bug 651302 in Ubuntu Natty "No sound in omap (beagle, beagleXM)." [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/651302 [16:12] not for beagle [16:12] * ogra_ didnt have a single display issue with headless ;) [16:12] Wrong bug [16:12] the page allocation failure I'm waiting a new test [16:13] well, thats not true, i did [16:13] that I requested at the bug [16:13] bug 746023 [16:13] Launchpad bug 746023 in alsa-lib (Ubuntu) "No sound on omap4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/746023 [16:13] That one I filed against alsa-lib (UCM). [16:13] again we should spend some time fixing the audio issues for both boards [16:13] GrueMaster, in any case there shouldnt be any kernel work even for trhat one [16:13] right [16:14] rsalveti, well, for panda its a matter of getting the UCM config file [16:14] There shouldn't be kernel work for either board sound issues. [16:14] yeah [16:14] Beagle works with minor tweaks in alsamixer. [16:14] we should also get the highmem issue higer on someones todo [16:15] doesnt really feel like anyone looks into it [16:15] well, current status is that it appears in some boards [16:15] agreen always starts talking about bluetooth if you ask him about highmem :) [16:15] because he's unable to reproduce it with his board [16:15] yeah [16:16] but everyone else is, no ? [16:16] so it's possible to be related with the hardware [16:16] his might be broken in a fixing way ;) [16:16] ogra_: not everyone else, some people from the community are also unable to reproduce it [16:16] ah [16:16] weird [16:17] yeah [16:17] can I move? [16:17] but losing 256M on the buildds is bad [16:17] not yet [16:17] rsalveti, so I should set panda mem use in boot.scr to 1G if I want to test this? [16:17] janimo: yes [16:17] for that we should really have some kind of fix or workaround in place [16:17] it'd be good if everyone could help testing it [16:17] NCommander, action :) [16:18] and on other topic, robclark published the drm driver for omap [16:18] nice [16:18] to be used at omap 4 so we can have xrandr at the xserver driver [16:18] [action] janimo to test panda with mem=1G [16:18] ACTION received: janimo to test panda with mem=1G [16:18] as it also probes for edid, I'm testing the dvi support [16:18] and porting it to be used by omap 3 as well [16:18] so we can also have edid parsing and proper resolution setting [16:18] NCommander, s/janimo/everyone with a panda/ [16:18] perhaps we need to send agreen a board that shows the highmem problem [16:19] rsalveti, what kind of loads make the highmem issue appear? I mostly do builds [16:19] janimo, builds do [16:19] current status is the drm driver is working with omap3, but still needs more debugging at the edid parsing for dvi [16:19] ;) [16:19] janimo: mostly builds [16:19] janimo: we used to build kernel [16:19] after 2, 3 builds it fails [16:20] * rsalveti looking for the bug number [16:20] bug 633227 [16:20] Launchpad bug 633227 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu Natty) "instabilities with highmem activated" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/633227 [16:21] any other question for kernel? [16:21] [action] everyone with a panda to test panda with mem=1G [16:21] ACTION received: everyone with a panda to test panda with mem=1G [16:21] * NCommander is mentally lagging, too early [16:21] not that related but I should be updating the x-loader package soon [16:21] so we can have es2.2 support [16:22] i dont think mem=1G is the right arg [16:22] what is the missing 512M-460M in the first address region is for? Video? [16:22] ducati [16:22] you need to respect the memory hole for ducati [16:22] mem=460M@0x80000000 mem=512M@0xA0000000 [16:22] if you're just building, no problem [16:22] from the bugreport [16:22] right, [16:22] you can get everything for you [16:22] janimo: that would be the args we'd use at the netbook image [16:22] so we can have everything working [16:23] but for this test you can simply use 1g [16:23] ah, good [16:23] rsalveti, but I can use 1G@0x80000000 on headless? [16:23] janimo: yup [16:23] or with not address at all even? [16:23] rsalveti, ok thanks. Will do [16:24] move? [16:24] [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) [16:24] New Topic: ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) [16:25] just pre-published for beta :) [16:25] nothing else to report ... [16:25] well [16:25] we need the TI icon back and dont have a bug for that yet [16:26] Why was it even removed? It could have been left in place with nothing to install. [16:27] GrueMaster, persia insisted it shouldnt live in jasper [16:27] it was one of my items in the jasper rewrite spec [16:28] we have a package for it now, but i need to MIR it and see that i integrate the bits and pieces in jasper again [16:28] (since they live in different places now) [16:30] (can I move?) [16:30] sure [16:30] So, what should the bug be filed against? [16:31] GrueMaster, hmm, good question [16:31] [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster) [16:31] New Topic: QA Status (GrueMaster) [16:31] ti-omap4-software-channel is the new package [16:32] With all of the major changes just before Beta 1 release, a lot of deep testing has to be restarted. Minimal testing was done for the release to ensure no major show-stopper bugs existed. [16:33] tested omap 3 and omap 4 while doing the drm stuff and they seems fine [16:33] I have not had a chance to really deep dive into unity-2d or to see what other kernel issues I can dig up yet due to release testing. [16:33] besides the audio issues and the display ones you saw [16:34] On a good note, banshee played (silently) through the night on my panda. [16:34] No crashes. [16:35] well, it did that before on my tegra :P [16:35] we just support the wrong smp HW it seems :) [16:35] I don't consider your tegra a valid test due to the ancient kernel & unsupported system. [16:36] system is the same as omap [16:36] As I was able to reproduce the crash on my tegra dev platform with a newer kernel. [16:36] but yeah, the kernel is old [16:37] That's all I have to report. [16:38] NCommander, ? [16:38] [topic] AOB [16:38] New Topic: AOB [16:39] specs ? [16:39] do we have a wikipage or something to collect them ? [16:39] for uds? [16:39] something we should start working on soon [16:39] yes [16:39] at least collect some rough ideas [16:40] don't think we have a wiki for that yet [16:40] I have a request [16:40] hmm, usually persia sets up that stuff, but i dont think he has time for it atm [16:41] I'd like to see us document our final releases very well, what works, what does not any thing we have found out over the development time [16:41] have a specific web page, more then release notes === davidm__ is now known as davidm [16:42] make that wiki page [16:42] make sense, would be good to have === davidm is now known as Guest93656 [16:42] persia is having severe connectivity problems and I don't know when that will change [16:42] yeah [16:42] * ogra_ wouldnt expect different [16:42] I should be able to start on that next week while I am temporarily layed up. [16:43] action? [16:43] GrueMaster to create OnericIdeas wikipage :) [16:43] NCommander, ^^ [16:43] Actually, I was referring to davidm's stuff. [16:44] how do we call the other one ? [16:44] oh, i was getting to that ;) [16:44] NattyKnownIssues ? NattyReleaseStresstested ? [16:44] I think its specific to each SoC so we need an OMAP 3 Beagle and Beagle xm and an OMAP 4 Panada page [16:44] Natty Nigglets [16:45] [topic] GrueMaster to create OnericIdeas wikipage [16:45] New Topic: GrueMaster to create OnericIdeas wikipage [16:45] er [16:45] [action GrueMaster to create OnericIdeas wikipage [16:45] :-) [16:45] Natty Image Status [16:45] natty niglets sounds nice ;) [16:45] [action] GrueMaster to create OnericIdeas wikipage [16:45] ACTION received: GrueMaster to create OnericIdeas wikipage [16:46] NCommander, [action] everyone, add spec ideas to that wikipage [16:46] [action] everyone to add spec ideas to wikipage [16:46] ACTION received: everyone to add spec ideas to wikipage [16:46] NCommander, [ACTION] GrueMaster to document released images [16:48] [ACTION] GrueMaster to document released images [16:48] ACTION received: GrueMaster to document released images [16:48] Anything else [16:48] or can I close the meeting? [16:48] That was the main thing from me [16:48] nothing here [16:48] finally I got my nick back [16:48] ok by me [16:49] * ogra_ finds it ok too that davidm got his nick back :) [16:49] closing in 3 [16:49] 2 [16:49] 1 [16:49] #endmeeting [16:49] Meeting finished at 10:49. [17:44] When is the next Ubuntu meeting? [17:44] emma: See /topic [17:45] Joeb454: are the Ubuntu meetings for the whole community still held in here? [17:45] MichealH: I did see the topic, the link there doesn't seem to have up to date info? [17:45] The are [17:45] they [17:46] http://fridge.ubuntu.com/ [17:47] that takes me to an ubuntu-news page [17:47] emma: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar [17:47] last one was on the 24th [17:47] usually every two weeks iirc [17:48] seems every week [17:49] right so that's not up to date as far as I know. [17:49] Oh I see you were saying "they are" to the question about whether the meetings are in here. [17:49] :) [17:49] emma: there are several meetings each day, what are you looking for specifically? [17:50] err I was looking at the wrong page, sorry I literally still have smoke in my eyes [17:50] (and the link does correctly redirect, I'm not sure why you're not getting the calendar) [17:50] I would like take something that really bothers me to the Ubuntu Community beyond IRC. [17:50] so you're looking for a community council meeting? [17:51] Right. [17:51] according to that link the next one is april 5th at 20:00 UTC [17:51] it has a link to the agenda, etc [17:51] which you can add to [17:52] next ircc meeting is April 9th https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda [17:52] just in case you wanted that info also [17:54] is there a page like that for the community council? [17:54] probably is [17:54] from the calendar: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda [17:55] emma: what page is it redirecting you to? I'm not sure why you can't see this :\ [17:56] link in topic goes to http://www.ubuntu-news.org/calendars/fridge/ and with a little reading it is pretty easy to find the info [17:56] yeah, she said it wasn't [17:56] (works for me too) [17:56] but the first time I clicked on it directed me to a wiki with a template on how to create meeting pages [17:56] so emma may have had the same experience [17:56] hmm, weird [17:57] Yes that is different this time. [17:57] glitch in the matrix apparently === nijaba_afk is now known as nijaba === Thermi is now known as thermi === thermi is now known as Thermi === shadeslayer_ is now known as shadeslayer === Thermi is now known as thermi === thermi is now known as Thermi === exalt is now known as wall === wall is now known as Guest2959 === Guest2959 is now known as exalt === Thermi is now known as thermi