[00:01] <semiosis> osmosis: sorry was afk, 'update-rc.d' is the command that performs functions similar to chkconfig
[00:35] <hallyn> SpamapS: are you the father of php in ubuntu?
[00:37] <SpamapS> god no
[00:37] <SpamapS> php is definitely a bastard
[00:37] <hallyn> drat
[00:37] <SpamapS> but occasionally I look afte rthe little twit
[00:37] <SpamapS> whats up?
[00:37] <hallyn> was just wondering who cares about the packages
[00:37] <SpamapS> I do .. I confess ;)
[00:37] <hallyn> well low importance, but bug 744371
[00:38] <SpamapS> FPM is horribly broken on all versions prior to natty
[00:38] <hallyn> it's one which will fall off the radar and suddenly have 3 people complainingloudly about how ubuntu sucks...
[00:38] <hallyn> this is in natty too, judging byinit script
[00:39] <SpamapS> ahhh
[00:39] <SpamapS> I see now
[00:39] <SpamapS> Thats an easy fix
[00:39] <SpamapS> hallyn: as soon as I get my upload rights, I'd be happy to make that my first upload. ;)
[00:39] <hallyn> yeah, np for natty.  hard to justify an sru unless someone else confirms the problem
[00:40] <hallyn> when is that projected?
[00:40] <hallyn> i'm a big jealous of the fast-track you've taken :)
[00:40] <SpamapS> Not sure, whenever the DMB enacts their voting results
[00:40] <hallyn> on full server suite?
[00:40] <SpamapS> I wouldn't mind having a nice well defined set of concerns to focus on like you. ;)
[00:41] <SpamapS> no they voted core dev for me :)
[00:41] <hallyn> well somehow lxc ended up not in my set.  which is a real fing bugger
[00:41] <hallyn> wow
[00:41] <hallyn> big time congrats
[00:41]  * hallyn starts building up a sponsor queue to ship to SpamapS 
[00:41] <hallyn> you dont' have much else to do right?
[00:41]  * SpamapS is quite humbled by the names of the team members
[00:41] <SpamapS> No nothing really to do at all. :)
[00:49] <hallyn> SpamapS: well, i think i'm goign to have to do another request to add lxc.  suspect they'll tell me to shove off, but...
[00:50] <SpamapS> hallyn: definitely not.. I think they'll give it to you in a blink
[00:51] <SpamapS> hallyn: the pain is that you have to sit through the meeting again.. I think they should have async meetings where votes/questions can be done via email.
[00:58] <smoser> jibel_, yes
[01:20] <ejv> i need some help, im getting ABYSMAL mdadm resync performance on a brand new raid6, for a 4 x 2T array, it's taking nearly 22 hours, what is the problem? thanks.
[01:23] <qman__> ejv, that's normal
[01:24] <qman__> especially for such large disks
[01:25] <qman__> you can speed up the process a bit by changing /proc/sys/dev/raid/{speed_limit_max,speed_limit_min}
[01:25] <ejv> yea i changed those, and it didn't realy impact performance in a noticeable way
[01:25] <ejv> it's holding a steady 25MB/sec
[01:25] <qman__> yeah, that's about all you're going to get
[01:25] <ejv> what if i changed the stripe_cache_size in /sy/block/
[01:26] <ejv> sys*
[01:26] <qman__> since raid 6 is double parity
[01:26] <ejv> i just figured since they disks are empty and have no data, initializing a new array should be a quick and simple operation, not 22 hours lol
[01:27] <ejv> the*
[01:27] <qman__> nope
[01:27] <qman__> it has to build the entire array
[01:27] <ejv> if I bought a better CPU, could I perhaps get a boost?
[01:27] <qman__> yes
[01:28] <qman__> another factor is how fast your disk controller is
[01:28] <qman__> I'm guessing all four disks are on one controller
[01:28] <ejv> cpu is a previous gen athlon ii, it's a software raid, via mdadm
[01:28] <qman__> if that controller is only PCI or only PCIe x1, that's going to be a significant limitation
[01:29] <qman__> see how high your iowait stat is, top can tell you
[01:29] <ejv> qman__: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=n8md9gB8
[01:29] <ejv> (sdb-e are the md6 raid6 members)
[01:29] <qman__> not too much
[01:30] <qman__> what did you set the two values to?
[01:30] <ejv> 500000 for max, 50000 for min
[01:30] <qman__> yeah, that's not high enough
[01:30] <qman__> try 2000000 for both
[01:30] <ejv> i thought that's in megabytes
[01:30] <ejv> im only seeing a resync speed of 25mb/sec
[01:30] <qman__> kilobytes IIRC
[01:30] <ejv> hmm
[01:31] <ejv> one moment :)
[01:31] <ejv> will adjust
[01:31] <qman__> setting it too high won't have any ill effects on the system, it won't do more than it can handle
[01:32] <qman__> it's just set that low for in-production operations, so they won't slow you down
[01:32] <ejv> ok changed the values on both
[01:32] <ejv> is this operation swap intensive, should i enable my swap (it's off right  now)
[01:33] <qman__> no
[01:33] <ejv> kk
[01:33] <qman__> it's pretty much all CPU and I/O
[01:33] <qman__> also, what type of drives do you have?
[01:33] <ejv> these are low power green drives, segates 5900 rpm
[01:33] <qman__> yeah, that's going to hurt it
[01:34] <ejv> well how does this math work, if each drive via iostat is reporting 25mb/sec, that means my system is doing 100mb/sec of disk i/o, that's not too shabby right?
[01:34] <qman__> yeah
[01:34] <ejv> ok lol
[01:34]  * ejv needs to feel good about his purchase
[01:34] <bastidrazor> should mutt update itself when a new mail in received without any user input? it appears for me i have to do some sort of input before a new mail shows
[01:34] <qman__> 100MB/s isn't too bad
[01:35] <qman__> for the class of hardware you're using, anyway
[01:35] <ejv> right, older cpu, low power drives
[01:35] <ejv> etc.
[01:35] <qman__> you're probably being limited by the disk controller
[01:35] <ejv> you know what
[01:35] <ejv> i didn't think of that!
[01:35] <qman__> those drives should be capable of 60-80MB/s each, but if they're all on one controller, on one PCIe lane, that's slowing you down
[01:35] <ejv> it's on a pci sata 4 port
[01:36] <qman__> yeah
[01:36] <ejv> SATA 150 for each port
[01:36] <ejv> man i TOTALLY didn't think of that
[01:36] <qman__> the PCI bus is shared with all other PCI devices
[01:36] <qman__> and is only 133MHz
[01:36] <ejv> these are SATA II drives on a SATAI ports
[01:36] <ejv> yea
[01:36] <ejv> wow totally didn't think of that
[01:36] <ejv> so i'm probably pushing the limits of the controller
[01:37] <ejv> all my onboard motherboard SATA slots were occupied, so I had to use the 4port SATA PCI
[01:37] <ejv> i can bet you the onboard SATA ports are MUCH faster
[01:37] <qman__> very likely
[01:37] <ejv> *sigh*
[01:38] <qman__> but 22 hours still isn't bad
[01:38] <ejv> thank you very much, you made my day with that comment
[01:38] <qman__> my last resync took three days
[01:38] <ejv> a light bulb went off in my brain lol
[01:38] <ejv> yea, well here's my situation
[01:39] <ejv> i have an old raid6, 500G members, in operation since 2008, that are occupying those precious onboard controller ports, my plan is to migrate the data, and then completely phase them out
[01:39] <ejv> then i'll move the new 2T 5900rpm discs to the onboard spots and remove the PCI controller until I need it again
[01:40] <ejv> sounds.... sane, right? lol
[01:40] <qman__> yeah
[01:40] <ejv> wonderful :)
[01:41] <qman__> shouldn't have any problems, as long as you actually go offline for the switch
[01:41] <ejv> according to newegg, it looks like 4 port PCI SATA300 cards are really common now
[01:41] <qman__> only need a few minutes, but trying to swap it in live is usually a bad idea
[01:41] <ejv> back in 2008, they were *expensive*
[01:41] <ejv> yup i'll be shutting the server down completely, and very carefully moving everything
[01:42] <qman__> I lost three drives in one day on my last array
[01:42] <ejv> god, what happened
[01:42] <ejv> were they from the same manufacturing batch?
[01:42] <qman__> seagate firmware, I suppose
[01:42] <ejv> yeesh
[01:43] <ejv> sry to hear that
[01:43] <qman__> that was a raid 5
[01:43] <ejv> so that wasn't able to completely protect
[01:43] <qman__> the replacement is a raid 6 with hot spare
[01:43] <ejv> i wonder if mdadm supports hot spare
[01:43] <qman__> it does
[01:43] <ejv> ok i might consider that then
[01:43] <qman__> that's what I use
[01:44] <qman__> other tip
[01:44] <Patrickdk> heh, raiding with 5900rpm drives are never run
[01:44] <qman__> set up smartctl to email you
[01:44] <Patrickdk> damn sleep mode on them
[01:44] <ejv> you recommend it for such large members, because of the really bad URE statistics these days?
[01:44] <ejv> sleep mode? my drives better not sleep...
[01:44] <qman__> it's built into the firmware
[01:44] <qman__> I don't buy green drives, too much hassle
[01:45] <qman__> and too many horror stories
[01:46] <qman__> but anyway, set up smartctl to email you
[01:46] <qman__> my new array has already had two drives start to fail, I RMA'd one and I'm going to RMA the other next time I get a chance to pull it apart
[01:46] <ejv> well i did my homework the best i could, and didn't ever see any issues with the ST32000542AS drives for use in raid, i'll keep looking
[01:47] <ejv> hmm email... scary
[01:47] <ejv> don't i need an MTA and SMTP and all that gobbly gook then...
[01:47] <qman__> all you need is postfix on the server
[01:47] <qman__> if you have a mail server you can smarthost it, otherwise you can set it up with gmail or something
[01:48] <ejv> hmm ok i'll look into doing that
[01:48] <qman__> it's not too involved and it's worth the advance notice
[01:48] <ejv> yea definitely
[01:48] <ejv> i have a mail server managed by a friend on another remote host, I imagine I can point smartctl to that
[01:48] <ejv> or sure, google like u said
[01:48] <ejv> err gmail*
[01:53] <ejv> thanks for your help again qman__
[01:53] <ejv> i shall return :D
[01:53] <ejv> 1175 minutes to go
[01:54] <qman__> no problem
[05:11] <Doonz> would you recommend raid 10 for a high i/o's server?
[06:19] <linuxtech> See http://www.debian.org/security/2011/dsa-2208 Ubuntu 10.04 bind9 users might be interested in running the backport I setup at https://launchpad.net/~cp/+archive/net
[06:30] <draven_sol> if i want an encrypted raid and lvm what is the correct order for setup? ie make an lvm of 4 drives, then raid then encrypt or what order should it be in
[07:56] <rcconf> I have a problem
[07:56] <rcconf> after sudo poweroff the fans and cpu fan keep spinning
[07:57] <rcconf> and I know it's not an hardware problem because I have just shutdown the computer and fans with power button while I was in the BIOS.
[08:02] <rcconf> :|
[08:09] <SpamapS> rcconf: I've had that happen before with some hardware.. seems like some of them just ignore that final instruction to power off.
[08:10] <rcconf> SpamapS: how did you solve  it?
[08:10] <lifeless> hammer
[08:11] <ttx> Daviey: you coming to the openstack design summit ? If not, anyone from Canonical ?
[08:12] <rcconf> lifeless: shut up thanks :)
[08:22] <SpamapS> rcconf: I pushed the power button. :-P
[08:22] <rcconf> eh :\
[08:22] <rcconf> that doesnt solve my issue
[08:55] <ejv> rcconf: I noticed that my brand new PSU doesn't immediatley power off after shutdown, it keeps running for about 15 seconds to make sure all the drives safely spin down, are you components on perpetually?
[08:55] <ejv> s/you/your/
[08:56] <rcconf> ejv: yes, i think so
[08:56] <rcconf> i have tried to wait like 30 minutes
[08:56] <ejv> yea that's far too long
[08:57] <ejv> at that point i'd toggle the manual switch on the power supply
[08:59] <rcconf> ejv: it does not have one
[08:59] <rcconf> ejv: computer is old
[08:59] <rcconf> :)
[09:01] <rcconf> ejv: and
[09:01] <rcconf> CPU fan is using 5300RPM
[09:01] <rcconf> spinning i mean
[09:01] <rcconf> and I cant control the speed
[09:01] <rcconf> old BIOS
[09:09] <ejv> dunno if you can complain toooo much if the box is a dinosaur rcconf :p
[09:09] <rcconf> ejv: 2000 computer
[09:09] <twb> You can push it off the roof, tho
[09:09] <rcconf> not that old
[09:09] <rcconf> twb: if you give me another one
[09:09] <twb> assuming it's small enough to fit through the door
[09:10] <ejv> a power unit from 2000... that's kinda pushing it
[09:10] <ejv> you could prolly do yourself a favor, electric bill wise, and get a more efficient PSU :P
[09:11] <rcconf> it's some good old machine I found
[09:11] <ejv> but is it an excuse for remaining on, of course not :P
[09:11] <rcconf> and gave it life
[09:11] <rcconf> im God
[09:11] <rcconf> :|
[09:12] <twb> rcconf: a binge-drinking roughneck with a penchant for turning lovers into vases?
[09:13] <rcconf> english please
[09:14] <twb> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_mythology ?
[09:15] <rcconf> I dont like false gods
[09:15] <rcconf> wont read
[09:15] <twb> All things are true and false and meaningless.
[09:15] <twb> http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Principia_Discordia
[09:16] <rcconf> sudo nano /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 twb-links
[09:17] <twb> You should use sudoedit
[09:17] <rcconf> ?
[09:17] <twb> Instead of "sudo nano"
[09:17] <rcconf> no.
[09:24] <Daviey> ttx, I'm /probably/ not. zul certainly is
[09:24] <Daviey> ttx, Clashing with the release week is a mega PITA.
[09:35] <ttx> zul: did you register yet ?
[09:37] <huats> morning
[09:37] <huats> hello ttx !
[09:37] <ttx> huats: yo
[09:37] <rcconf> hello
[10:23] <MatBoy> it would be awesome to have a php based manager like webmin, but php... I know there is a php extention to the webmin pl files, but this is old
[10:54] <wout-lnx> Mr. Hallyn???
[10:54] <wout-lnx> Are available?
[10:55] <rcconf> ?
[10:57] <wout-lnx> hallyn I've got a question regarding your kvm spice ppa
[11:15] <soren> wout-lnx: It's 5:15 in the morning where he is. It'll probably be a couple of hours :)
[11:20] <phoenixsampras> HELP!!! how to upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10 ?
[11:24] <zul> ttx not yet hoepfullly today
[11:24] <rcconf> phoenixsampras: sudo-apt dist-upgrade
[11:24] <rcconf> phoenixsampras: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:25] <rcconf> or release..
[11:25] <rcconf> wait
[11:25] <rcconf> phoenixsampras: sudo do-release-upgrad
[11:25] <rcconf> phoenixsampras: sudo do-release-upgrade
[11:26] <JanC> rcconf: IIRC there are at least 3 ways to power down an "IBM PC compatible" computer, and it sounds like linux guesses wrong about what your hardware supports...  ;)
[11:27] <rcconf> JanC: motherboard is amd pc chips m810lmr
[11:31] <xampart> phoenixsampras: edit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and set "Prompt=normal", then do-release-upgrade
[11:36] <phoenixsampras> thank you xampart, you are wise
[11:36] <rcconf> phoenixsampras: my command doest work?
[11:36] <rcconf> doesnt
[11:36] <muszek> hi... I'm using backupninja for backups.  I'm pretty sure when I set it up (2 yrs ago) I created config files in /etc/backup.d/.  I edited them a while back only to see that edits have no effect.  I just discovered that backupninja apparently uses files from /usr/local/etc/backup.d which appear to be copies of the files I originally created in /etc/backup.d (old versions).  Why could that be?  Should I simply edit those in /usr/local/backup.d fr
[11:36] <muszek> om now on?
[11:51] <phoenixsampras> xampart: how to verify the ubuntu server release version?
[11:51] <xampart> cat /etc/issue
[11:52] <xampart> for starters
[12:02] <raphink> or lsb_release -a
[12:12] <qman__> draven_sol, raid first, then lvm, then encryption
[12:16] <qman__> rcconf, by default, LTS will only upgrade to another LTS, so to go from lucid to maverick you need to change that setting first
[12:23] <rcconf> k
[12:43] <muszek> how do I check which repository a package is installed from?
[12:45] <muszek> n/m, found it
[12:59] <a7ndrew> muszek: what was the answer>
[12:59] <a7ndrew> ?
[13:05] <muszek> a7ndrew: apt-cache showpkg _packagename_ (doesn't show exactly which version is installed, but lists all installable versions and some data about them, incl. the origin... which is good enough for me)
[13:14] <hggdh> Daviey: good morning
[13:19] <a7ndrew> muszek: thanks, interesting to contrast that with what 'aptitude show' reveals. It runs faster too.
[13:23] <bda> hello, whats the best virtualization software to use?
[13:25] <pmatulis> bda: kvm of course
[13:25] <pmatulis> ;)
[13:26] <lun0> how can i log user actions on server?
[13:26] <bda> pmatulis: i thought ubuntu recommended it for reason :) would it be better than a headless virtualbox, though?
[13:30] <pmatulis> bda: try both and decide for yourself but i suppose kvm will become more and more integrated and supported in ubuntu than virtualbox
[13:30] <pmatulis> bda: so you need to think of the future a bit
[13:31] <hallyn> wout-lnx: hi
[13:32] <wout-lnx> Hello hallyn
[13:32] <hallyn> wout-lnx: fwiw i'm not currently touching myspice ppa, bc dev-zero is going to update his and push to universe
[13:33] <wout-lnx> hallyn: Ok but dev-zero's ppa doesn't contain a spice compatible kvm bin
[13:34] <bda> pmatulis: right. thanks for your help!
[13:35] <wout-lnx> hallyn: It is my understanding that kvm in ubuntu is not spice enabled because spice libs are not yet packaged. Correct?
[13:36] <Daviey> hggdh, hello!
[13:36] <hallyn> wout-lnx: yup
[13:36] <Daviey> Good news about the patch
[13:36] <Daviey> The PPA has been updated btw.
[13:37] <hallyn> wout-lnx: yes, dev-zero is going to (AIUI) use my qemu-kvm packaging
[13:37] <hallyn> wout-lnx: so he'll basically end up with my qemu (quasi) package and his own updated library packages
[13:37] <wout-lnx> hallyn: Can I help?
[13:37] <a7ndrew> lun0: I guess it depends which actions you want to log. Do you mean their shell commands? If so apparently you can use the 'script' command to do it, I'm not too sure of exactly how its done though, as Ihaven't had a need.
[13:37] <wout-lnx> hallyn: Testing needed?
[13:38] <hallyn> wout-lnx: sure.
[13:38] <hallyn> wout-lnx: are you on gimp#spice?
[13:38] <lun0> a7ndrew: ok, will check it
[13:38] <wout-lnx> hallyn: I'm not a coder, nor a packager
[13:38] <wout-lnx> hallyn: not yet
[13:38] <hallyn> wout-lnx: ok.  well, i'm starting to think dev-zero may have gotten distracted...  (real life does sometimes get in the way if you're doing this for fun :)
[13:39] <hallyn> wout-lnx: anyway the stuff i have *should* work.  kim0 has tested it
[13:39] <wout-lnx> hallyn: gimp#spice. gimp=gimpnet??
[13:39] <hallyn> wout-lnx: actually maybe he never got audio to quite work
[13:39] <hallyn> yeah
[13:40] <hallyn> you can ping dev-zero and ask him if he has new paackages he can push soon to his ppa
[13:40] <hallyn> ivoks: hey, od you have any currently-unused manzanita chassis which are not behind a firewall?
[13:40] <hallyn> feh
[13:40] <wout-lnx> wout-lnx: I got as far as running a vm with spice from cli
[13:40] <wout-lnx> hallyn: I got as far as running a vm with spice from cli
[13:41] <hallyn> wout-lnx: ok,
[13:41] <hallyn> wout-lnx: i've gotten redhat to boot graphically
[13:41] <wout-lnx> hallyn: running a vm using libvirt, with virt-manager with spice devices
[13:41] <hallyn> wout-lnx: but i was doing funky things with the library versions anyway
[13:42] <hallyn> wout-lnx: so that's another reason to use dev-zero's packages.  If he says he doesn't have time then i can go ahead and update his packages and create new ones in my ppa
[13:42] <wout-lnx> hallyn: funny thing is, I could connect to the cli vm with spice client just fine, I couldn't connect with the libvirt one.... (only got frozen screens and then client would die)
[13:42] <hallyn> oh, not sure that's funny.
[13:43] <hallyn> how does libvirt do the connection?
[13:43] <hallyn> It's probably due to my not properly falling back tothe old protocol
[13:43] <hallyn> which, again, is why we should switch back to the simple old libs :)
[13:43] <wout-lnx> ;-)
[13:43] <wout-lnx> Well I'm connected to gimnet...
[13:45] <hallyn> wout-lnx: ok, i've pinged dev-zero several times over the last week, so he may just be on vacation.  let's see if he was just ignoring me :)
[13:50] <PrestonConnors1> Hello, is it recommended to apt-get remove consolekit on Ubuntu Server? What is console-kit-daemon used for?
[13:53] <soren> PrestonConnors: If it was recommended to remove it, it woulnd't be there to begin with.
[13:54] <PrestonConnors> soren: Do you know why console-kit-daemon would consume many resources for a server with a lot of ssh connections? console-kit-daemon is consuming about 3.6GB of RAM and about 60% of CPU on these servers.
[13:54] <soren> Probably becuase it's broken somehow.
[13:54] <PrestonConnors> soren: When I kill console-kit-daemon it automatically restarts with normal usage and starts to linearly consume more resources over time.
[13:55] <soren> PrestonConnors: Which Ubuntu version is this?
[13:55] <PrestonConnors> 10.04.2 64bit
[13:55] <PrestonConnors> fully updated
[13:55] <PrestonConnors> it is across 20 servers, 16 cores 96GB ram each
[13:56] <soren> looks like bug 232557
[13:56] <PrestonConnors> is there a safe way to disable console kit daemon
[13:57] <PrestonConnors> i am killing it every day via crontab but would like a better resolution. some people recommended to apt-get remove it because it is quite buggy.
[14:23] <zul> jamespage: im dropping the cobbler4j stuff, its no longer shipped in 2.1.x
[14:24] <jamespage> :-(
[14:24] <zul> no this is a good thing ;)
[14:24] <jamespage> only joking!
[14:24] <zul> so was i
[14:25] <jamespage> what that it was a good thing or that you where dropping it?
[14:25]  * jamespage is really confused now
[14:25] <zul> upstream no longer ships it
[14:25] <jamespage> TBH not surprised....
[14:25] <zul> neither am i
[14:27] <zul> tbh i dont think anyone installed it either
[14:39] <sky1> Has someone practical experience with Request Tracker?
[14:43] <RoAkSoAx> zul: don't forget to add python-koan :)
[14:44] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: howdy! Hey the eucalyptus powernap config and the separation of the tools have not yet been merged into the branch right?
[14:45] <zul> RoAkSoAx: frig ill do it after beta
[14:48] <melter> is there a way to do a non-interactive install of Postfix that automatically chooses "No configuration"?
[14:48] <RoAkSoAx> zul: ok :)
[14:52] <kpettit> Anybody know how I can connect to rdp on a non-standard port using remmina or terminal server client apps?
[14:53] <Doonz> Hey Everyone, What is a good virtual server platform to use on ubuntu?
[14:54] <sky1> vmware
[14:54] <Doonz> ok would prefer something else because the stupid interface is buggy
[14:55] <kpettit> Doonz, I like Virtualbox
[14:55] <kpettit> I use that daily, and I like the RDP thing you can use on it's virtualmachines.  That's what I'm trying to connect to right now.
[14:56] <kpettit> If I can just figure out how to change port on client.  ughh
[14:56] <Doonz> kool
[14:56] <Doonz> wich client
[14:57] <kpettit> I've got Remmina and Terminalserver client.  But doing ip:port doesn't seem to do the trick
[14:57] <semiosis> melter: an easy way to do it is to install postfix interactively the way you want it, then use 'debconf-get-selections | grep postfix > postfix-options.debconf' to save your interactive responses, then do to unattended installs just do a 'debconf-set-selections < postfix-options.debconf' before you install the package
[14:58] <semiosis> melter: or something close to that
[14:58] <Doonz> kpettit: may sound stupid but have you tried ip [space] port
[14:59] <melter> semiosis: thanks
[14:59] <kpettit> Doonz, no.  I'll try that...
[14:59] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, no.. i was going to merge and upload it concurrently... is that ok?
[14:59] <kpettit> haha, that was it.  good call Doonz
[14:59] <Doonz> woot! /me chalks up his deed for the day
[15:00] <RoAkSoAx> Daviey: yeah that's fine :) I was just wondering
[15:00] <Doonz> i forget wich client i was using and thats how it wanted the format to be
[15:00] <kpettit> VirtualBox does this thing where you can turn on RDP to any virtualmachine.  You can see boot screen and everythign.  Very nice, espically with OS's that don't have RDP
[15:00] <Doonz> ill have to install that when i get home
[15:01] <Doonz> basically i have a quad core with 16gb ram and would like 5-8 linux servers on it to play around with carious things
[15:01] <kpettit> The default virtualbox setup is great for desktop vm stuff.  But I use the "headless" stuff when I need to run it on a server.
[15:01] <Daviey> RoAkSoAx, looking to upload when b1 is due.
[15:01] <Doonz> yeah it will be headless so remote management features are key
[15:01] <kpettit> VirtualBox should do great for you then.  Has really good snapshot and import/export stuff
[15:01] <Doonz> does it allow you to mount iso's for install os's?
[15:02] <kpettit> yes
[15:02] <kpettit> You can do it all CLI or through the GUI
[15:02] <Doonz> i like gui....
[15:02]  * RoyK wonders how long it'll take for Oracle to ruin vbox as well
[15:02] <kpettit> I normally use the GUI myself.  But when I install it remotly I do the CLI stuff.
[15:03] <kpettit> It actually did better than vmware server.  I had a couple of vmware images that kept crashing vmware, but worked with virtualbox for whatever reason.
[15:03] <Doonz> kool im a linux newb so i like to mess around with vm's so i dont hoze my system
[15:03] <kpettit> RoyK, No kidding.  Hope they don't mess with it to much like with OpenOffice or MySQL
[15:04] <kpettit> Doonz, smart.  I get too anxious sometimes trying out crap and mess up my machines frequently.
[15:04] <kpettit> I'm doing the alpha of 11.04 right now on my desktop.  Bad idea, I should have just done it in a vm
[15:04] <Doonz> yeah and when i break things that make it so my wife can do what she wants i get to sleep on the couch
[15:04] <kpettit> haha, same goes here.
[15:05] <RoyK> kpettit: I was an OpenSolaris user, but that abruptly stopped after Oracle pulled the plug - using OpenIndiana for storage now...
[15:06] <kpettit> I liked alot of the ideas OpenSolaris came up with.  Never had a chance to play with it much though
[15:06] <draven_sol> qman__, thanks for providing the answer
[15:06] <RoyK> kpettit: we have ~350TB on OI atm
[15:06] <RoyK> works well
[15:06] <Doonz> that sounds sexy
[15:06] <RoyK> lol
[15:07] <Doonz> ive only got like 12tb
[15:07] <kpettit> man.  that's a monster.
[15:07] <Doonz> :(
[15:07] <kpettit> I've got TB envy now.  I was happy to have 8
[15:07] <genii-around> RoyK: Did you ever manage to find why firefox wouldn't run but xterm would? Just curious
[15:07] <Doonz> Hostname: ss1 - OS: Linux 2.6.31-23-server/x86_64 - CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Xeon(R) (1600.000 MHz) - Processes: 162 - Uptime: 3d 18h 56m - Load Average: 0.05 - Memory Usage: 537.29MB/5976.13MB (8.99%) - Disk Usage: 4896.45GB/9745.55GB (50.24%)
[15:07] <compdoc> I only have 6TB :(
[15:07] <Doonz> thats my fileserver at home
[15:07] <kpettit> I'm using one of those Drobo's.  I really like it
[15:07] <maswan> We were moving to more ZFS storage until oracle ruined it. Now it is mostly xfs on rhel-derivatives or ubuntu (depending which subsite is managing it). Alltogether it is a few PB though.
[15:09] <sky1> Has someone practical experience with Request Tracker? /msg me
[15:23] <Caribou> Regarding VM, any reason _not_ to use the native KVM tools on Ubuntu ?
[15:30] <queso> What uses the .conf files in /etc/init/  ?
[15:31] <Pici> queso: upstart
[15:31] <queso> Pici: How would I restart a service that has a conf file in there?
[15:32] <cloakable> queso: service <service> restart
[15:33] <queso> cloakable: Is the service's name equal to <servicename>.conf?
[15:33] <cloakable> queso: Think so.
[15:34] <queso> Great, thanks
[15:35] <queso> Wait
[15:35] <queso> man service says it runs stuff in /etc/init.d/   not  /etc/init/
[15:36] <semiosis> queso: it does both, also check out the 'initctl' command
[15:36] <RoyK> genii-around: haven't done any more testing
[15:37] <genii-around> RoyK: Ah, OK.
[15:39] <queso> There is a .conf file in /etc/init/ but no script with the corresponding name in /etc/init.d/  Is that script needed?
[15:41] <semiosis> queso: try 'service <service>' if you get usage instructions then all is well, if you get 'unrecognized service' then something is wrong
[15:41] <queso> semiosis: unrecognized service is what I get :(
[15:42] <semiosis> queso: what service is this anyway?
[15:42] <queso> semiosis: ispman-agent
[15:42] <queso> semiosis: /etc/init/ispman-agent.conf's last line is exec /opt/ispman/bin/ispman-agent nodetach  so it just runs that perl script
[15:52] <SpamapS> kirkland: so I'm giving sup a shot. What finally pushed you off sup? It looks *awesome* so far. I've waded through tons of email that I'd been ignoring already.
[15:53] <kirkland> SpamapS: well, i imported 6GB of old mail
[15:53] <kirkland> SpamapS: it crashed on me frequently
[15:53] <kirkland> SpamapS: i loved the keystrokes, and the interface, and the color coding, though
[15:54] <SpamapS> kirkland: ahhh.. I archive everything older than 1 year because that much mail seems to crash *most* mail clients. :)
[15:54] <kirkland> SpamapS: not gmail :-)
[15:55] <SpamapS> kirkland: I hear that. I'm still clinging tightly to hosting my own inbox tho.
[15:55] <kirkland> SpamapS: yup
[15:56] <SpamapS> kirkland: I was thinking of hooking up ajaxterm + sup to replace hastymail as my web mail provider actually.. :)
[15:56] <kirkland> SpamapS: awesome
[15:56] <kirkland> SpamapS: that sounds pretty sweet
[15:56] <kirkland> SpamapS: let me know how that works
[15:56] <SpamapS> probably not as well as gmail. <le sigh>
[15:58] <kirkland> SpamapS: right
[15:59] <SpamapS> Now to figure out how to get offlineimap to use the messaging indicator.
[16:13]  * RoAkSoAx on its way to the airport to travel to texas for the TLF
[16:15] <kirkland> SpamapS: you're running offlineimap from a cronjob?
[16:15] <kirkland> SpamapS: notify-send is the magic command
[16:15] <kirkland> SpamapS: echo foo | notify-send
[16:16] <kirkland> SpamapS: alternatively, if you're running sup inside of a byobu session, you could either a) add a custom indicator, or b) patch /usr/lib/byobu/mail to work well :-)
[16:19] <kirkland> mathiaz: hey
[16:19] <kirkland> mathiaz: i think i have an idea of what might be wrong with your update-motd ...
[16:19] <kirkland> mathiaz: update-motd scripts run as root
[16:20] <kirkland> mathiaz: i think i recall you saying that you were doing some ec2 stuff in your update-motd script
[16:20] <kirkland> mathiaz: which means you'd need to copy or link your credentials over to the root account, i believe
[16:23] <Nafallo> if you're all bored and wonder what to do, I just filed bug 746497 ;-)
[16:26] <SpamapS> kirkland: I don't want OSD notifications, I want the messaging indicator
[16:27] <SpamapS> kirkland: IMO notifications that pop up and obscure windows are reserved for extremely time sensitive information, like IM's..
[16:28] <kirkland> SpamapS: ah, whoops, i missunderstood
[16:28] <kirkland> SpamapS: okay, good luck with that
[16:29] <zul> Nafallo: i assure you we arent :)
[16:31] <Nafallo> zul: aw. that's a shame ;-). want to triage it at least? :-)
[16:33] <zul> sure gimme a couple of momments
[16:34] <Nafallo> ta ;-)
[16:35] <Nafallo> meh. I should have mentioned it is on 10.04.
[16:36]  * Nafallo adds a comment
[16:48] <Slyboots_> Mm..
[16:50] <Slyboots_> Is there a "Danger" in giving users a shell?  I've created an account for services with limited access but Im going to have to give them a shell.. say Bin/bash
[16:50] <Slyboots_> Since they need to create a screen session
[16:52] <raubvogel> Slyboots_, it depends on the user and what they are supposed to do
[16:53] <Slyboots_> Run 1 service.  Calibre-server which allows read-only access to a handful of files
[16:54] <Slyboots_> right now when I start the daemon using their script it runs as root; so.. not going to do that :P
[16:55] <raubvogel> then set their shell to only be able to run that
[16:55] <Slyboots_> Didnt realise you could do that
[16:56] <Slyboots_> Or.. how you can do that :P
[16:56] <raubvogel> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restricted_shell
[16:57] <raubvogel> There are better ways but that should start making you think
[16:58]  * Slyboots_ nods
[17:52] <MetaJake> is there a way to serve public webpages using ubuntu server on Vmware?
[18:08] <elb0w> So I did apt-get install ntp
[18:09] <elb0w> But the dates still off
[18:09] <CrunchyChewie> is CUPS capable of managing 6-9 printers for 88 individuals?
[18:12] <semiosis> elb0w: it will slowly adjust the time toward correctness, unless you give ntpd the -x option which will jump it right to the correct time when it starts up.  you can add that to /etc/default/ntp
[18:12] <elb0w> its ok
[18:12] <semiosis> MetaJake: apache httpd?
[18:12] <elb0w> it synced now
[18:12] <MetaJake> semiosis, yes. by the way, vmware = vmware fusion*
[18:13] <MetaJake> apache*
[18:14] <semiosis> MetaJake: so you have apache running in the ubuntu guest OS within vmware?  can you browse to it from the host os?
[18:16] <MetaJake> semiosis, yes I can browse to the ip i currently have configured... but then I realized this was just an internal network ip.. and I had confirmed that the default website could not be reached from an external client.
[18:17] <CrunchyChewie> MetaJake: what kind of networking do you have the guest on? Host only? Bridged? NAT?
[18:18] <MetaJake> chrunchychewie, pardon my inexperience at this point: What do you mean by Guest? and how can I learn what kind of network it is on from the choices you provided?
[18:19] <semiosis> MetaJake: the guest is the ubuntu server inside vmware fusion
[18:19] <CrunchyChewie> MetaJake: Host is the actual physical machine, guest is the VM
[18:20] <MetaJake> I see. and how can I learn what kind of networking the guest is on? Again pardon my inexperience at this point. Thank you.
[18:21] <CrunchyChewie> http://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=1022264
[18:21] <MetaJake> NAT
[18:21] <bdamos> Hello all, is anybody here using KVM for virtualization and starting the virtual machihnes at boot? (I believe it is called running it in headless mode) I cannot seem to choose between virtualization via KVM and via VirtualBox.
[18:21] <CrunchyChewie> you want Bridged mode so the Ubuntu guest appears as a separate machine on the network and you can access it's IP
[18:22] <RoyK> bdamos: I do
[18:22] <bdamos> -.- just noticed the kvm channel, sorry guys
[18:22] <bdamos> royk: how are you doing it?
[18:22] <MetaJake> crunchychewie, I see.
[18:22] <RoyK> bdamos: virtualbox isn't really made for servers
[18:22] <RoyK> but it works well
[18:23] <RoyK> bdamos: I just start virt-manager, create the VMs, and that's it
[18:23] <RoyK> click the 'autostart on boot' checkbox
[18:24] <CrunchyChewie> Anyone have any experience using Ubuntu Server as a printer server for ~100 people or so?
[18:31] <semiosis> MetaJake: according to this doc (http://rosslawley.co.uk/2010/08/how-to-configure-vm-fusion-nat-to-be.html) you can actually set up vmware fusion to do NAT in the reverse direction, to route port 80 from the host into the guest machine
[18:32] <semiosis> MetaJake: thats an alternative to switching to bridged mode
[18:32] <MetaJake> crunchychewie I turned off ubuntu, switched the network setting to Bridged and restarted ubuntu as well as apache, unfortunately, now when I visit the ip (which used to load the default website) now, does not connect.
[18:33] <MetaJake> i ran ifconfig to make sure the ip was the same, in bridged mode, which it is.
[18:33] <MetaJake> .. semiosis, I see.
[18:33] <CrunchyChewie> Metajake: are you trying to access the website from the host?
[18:33] <semiosis> MetaJake: what the ubuntu system *thinks* is its IP may or may not actually work on your network, depending on many factors
[18:33] <MetaJake> chrunchychewie, yes I am.
[18:33] <MetaJake> semiosis, I see.
[18:34] <CrunchyChewie> MetaJake: is the Ubuntu server and Host OS in the same subnet?
[18:34] <CrunchyChewie> *are
[18:34] <MetaJake> I can post the results of ifconfig if that would help determine the actual ipaddress of ubuntu in bridged mode (?)
[18:34] <CrunchyChewie> stick it in pastebin
[18:34] <CrunchyChewie> please do this from your host as well
[18:35] <MetaJake> crunchychewie once again my inexperience must be pardoned: how can I learn if Ubuntu and my host OS are in the same subnet?
[18:36] <kpettit> MetaJake, compare the ip address of both.
[18:36] <CrunchyChewie> MetaJake no worries, when you do ifconfig, look at the IP address, its probably 192.168.2.xx or 192.168.1.xx or similar
[18:36] <CrunchyChewie> that 3rd set of numbers need to be the same for it to be in the same subnet
[18:36] <CrunchyChewie> otherwise they wont see each other
[18:37] <CrunchyChewie> so if your host is 192.168.1.100 and your ubuntu is 192.168.2.100, they won't see each other
[18:38] <CrunchyChewie> if it is 192.168.1.xx and 192.168.1.xx they will
[18:39] <RoyK> CrunchyChewie: unless you have a broader netmask.....
[18:39] <semiosis> CrunchyChewie: ip address + netmask determines the subnet, so it's only true that the first three groups need to be the same if the netmasks are 255.255.255.0
[18:40] <CrunchyChewie> yea sorry I assumed the netmasks were the same, is there any reason to believe, by default, they are not?
[18:40] <RoyK> we use 192.168.0.0/21 for our internal hosts
[18:40] <RoyK> meaning 255.255.248.0
[18:40] <RoyK> which covers 192.168.0.0-192.168.7.254
[18:40] <semiosis> CrunchyChewie: theres lots of networks out in the wild
[18:41] <MetaJake> crunchychewie, I see. Well here are the results of lfconfig from my host OS http://pastebin.com/fjKUVu8H ... oddly enough, I can not figure out how to copy the results of lfconfig from Ubuntu server, due to the nature of the window that it operates in via vmware fusion. .. but I can tell you that the results it is showing me, have a different subnet then my Host one which i pasted in that link.
[18:41] <semiosis> MetaJake: it will probably be simpler to go back to NAT mode, follow that tip I posted (hopefully it works) and then your ubuntu guest web server will be accessible at your mac's IP address
[18:42] <RoyK> MetaJake: OS X?
[18:42] <semiosis> RoyK: vmware fusion
[18:42] <MetaJake> royk yes
[18:42] <MetaJake> semiosis, I see.
[18:42] <CrunchyChewie> MetaJake: what is your Ubuntu server IP?
[18:43] <MetaJake> 192.168.113.136
[18:43] <CrunchyChewie> if it is on bridged mode you need to change eth0 to 192.168.1.101 or something
[18:43] <CrunchyChewie> do you have a server or just a router
[18:43] <RoyK> MetaJake: if you're using NATed networking, you need to configure the hypervisor to forward IP to the VMs. If you're using bridge mode, make sure you tie the VMs to the right NIC (en0 or en1)
[18:44]  * RoyK uses bridged mode for things that he needs to access from the outside
[18:45] <CrunchyChewie> MetaJake: check left bar messages
[18:46] <semiosis> MetaJake: does your mac get its IP address automatically (DHCP) or did you set it manually (static)?
[18:46] <MetaJake> semiosis, automatically.
[18:47] <RoyK> MetaJake: using bridged networking or nat?
[18:47] <semiosis> MetaJake: then when you switch your vmware guest to bridged, you will need to set it to use DHCP also, or get really familiar with IP addressing
[18:47] <RoyK> MetaJake: and semiosis said 'vmware fusion', but the ifconfig output looked more like virtualbox - which one are you using?
[18:48] <MetaJake> vmware fusion, royk
[18:48] <RoyK> ok
[18:49] <RoyK> MetaJake: I'm using vbox for my VMs on this laptop - that works - I don't know how fusion works in comparison, sorry
[18:49] <semiosis> MetaJake: and what does your mac get its IP address from, is it some kind of home wireless router/base station?
[18:50] <MetaJake> semiosis, it is a home router, yes.
[18:50] <CrunchyChewie> guys he needs to go into /etc/network/interfaces and give eth0 a static address
[18:51]  * RoyK mumbles something about this not being an ubuntu server issue, but rather a virtualisation issue with vmware fusion
[18:51] <semiosis> MetaJake: ok, you'll need to set up a "nat pinhole" or "port forward" on the home router as well... and you may encounter a block by your ISP that prevents you from hosting a web site (on standard HTTP port 80) as some ISPs are known to do that
[18:52] <semiosis> RoyK: yes good point
[18:52] <MetaJake> semiosis, royk. I see.
[18:53] <semiosis> RoyK: but the goal here is for MetaJake to be running a live web server on ubuntu
[18:53] <RoyK> sure - I'll give all the help I can give, but all I know is it works well on virtualbox - I haven't touched vmware fusion for years
[18:53] <semiosis> MetaJake: is this mac a laptop?
[18:54] <MetaJake> semiosis yes
[18:54] <semiosis> MetaJake: i.e. is portability a concern or will it always and forever be connected to this very home network?
[18:54] <RoyK> semiosis: looks like it - it's got en0 and en1, the latter being the wireless
[18:55] <RoyK> damn - is vmware fusion still commercial?
[18:55]  * RoyK wonders why people would pay for what virtualbox can do for free
[18:55] <MetaJake> semiosis, yes I use the laptop very portably, but in this case I would like to try serving from this static location
[18:55] <semiosis> MetaJake: if you use bridged mode, and set a static ip on the ubuntu guest OS, it may not work when you hook up to another network... in NAT mode, once set up correctly, the ubuntu guest os will always be reachable at your mac's IP address, everywhere
[18:56] <semiosis> MetaJake: ...on port 80 (HTTP) which IMHO is a simpler network design
[18:58]  * MetaJake makes changes to network config
[19:28] <DrDetroit> I am trying to make a replacement server for my very old RedHat machine. I have a ubuntu server 10.04 LTS up and running. I was thinking the best way to continue was to make a new interface and dhcpd file, then remove the working machine, and plug the new one in.
[19:28] <DrDetroit> I have pasted my proposed config fiels at http://pastebin.com/aNyJMREv would someone be willing to take a look at them and see if they look ok?
[19:37] <mok0> DrDetroit: can't you just test it?
[19:38] <DrDetroit> mok0: I can but if it doesnt work then I will have to undo it all to make it work again
[19:39] <DrDetroit> i was just hoping someone had a few min to look it over and give their opinion
[19:39] <DrDetroit> this is my first ubuntu server
[19:39] <DrDetroit> and i am unsure about things
[19:39] <mok0> I can't see anything wrong with it
[19:40] <DrDetroit> i figure if i can have internet and dhcp working, then if the old box fails i can just replace it, make a few changes and be ready to rock again
[19:40] <DrDetroit> then i could configure a firewall
[19:40] <mok0> DrDetroit: Right
[19:40] <DrDetroit> not sure now the ip forwarding will work with this config
[19:40] <DrDetroit> i dont see it anywheres, and i think it belongs in the firewall
[19:41] <DrDetroit> currently i  run min e in the old box from iptables, but I am afraid my iptables wont run on this new box
[19:41] <mok0> DrDetroit: It should run
[19:41] <DrDetroit> really? its a old file from 2002
[19:42] <DrDetroit> my main box has been extraordinalrly reliable since i started it up
[19:42] <mok0> DrDetroit: iptables has not changed AFAIK
[19:42] <mok0> at least not the configuration
[19:42] <DrDetroit> mok0: thank  you, i will give this configuration a try as soon as I am able
[19:43] <mok0> DrDetroit: You should get the new box to work before you kill off the old one
[19:43] <DrDetroit> mok) right, that is why i am trying now, the old box is long in the tooth a Rh 7.3
[19:43] <DrDetroit> HEHE
[19:43] <DrDetroit> but works perfectly
[19:43] <DrDetroit> never had a problem with it
[19:44] <DrDetroit> but i do want a replacement "just in case"
[19:44] <mok0> DrDetroit: yeah
[19:44] <DrDetroit> it does my NAT firewall, mail and web servers
[19:44] <JasonMSP> Im installing open-dkim to work with postfix and this error pops up and won't allow opendkim to start:
[19:44] <JasonMSP> dkimf_db_open(): Invalid argument
[19:45] <JasonMSP> any thoughts?
[19:55] <MetaJake> semiosis you still around? I finished the tip on that link for giving my VMware Fusion an Incomingtcp of 80.
[19:55] <semiosis> MetaJake: yeah howd it go?
[19:55] <MetaJake> i also poked a couple holes in my router, through port 80. but... still having trouble loading up what i BELieve to be my ubuntu-server's static IP.
[19:56] <MetaJake> the vmware fusion reconfig went well I think. The reboot went ok. and I'm running in NAT mode now.
[19:56] <semiosis> MetaJake: why mess with the ubuntu server's IP?  it worked fine before when it was probably using dhcp (which i believe is the default out of the box config in ubuntu)
[19:57] <MetaJake> indeed. I'll go change that back. heh. sry. thanks for getting my brain gears going again
[19:59] <DrDetroit> mok0: my old iptables is v1.2.8.8.72.3 running on a rh7.3 machine, do you think it will run ?
[20:04] <zertyui> hello
[20:04] <zertyui> i setup postfix server
[20:04] <zertyui> but i can't able to send/receive mail
[20:04] <zertyui> what i have to check ?
[20:05] <zertyui> #?
[20:14] <MetaJake> semiosis, mind checking this address to see if a webpage loads for you? http://192.168.113.136/ if you can.
[20:15] <JasonMSP> zertyui:  i recommend that you go to #postfix for help.  There is a long list of things that you might need to check.  They will help you there but follow the guidelines and make sure you check your error log and try yourself first using google.  You will get a lot more help if you know your stuff.
[20:16] <MetaJake> semiosis, scratch that. Apparently its still getting hung up. :\
[20:22] <bearly230> Hello all, I've got I hope a quick and easy question. I'm running a Ubuntu 10.10 network and need to sync data files with a remote server. I've tried rsync over ssh and that works but only 1 way. What I'm looking for is a 2 way solution. Any suggestions?
[20:23] <MetaJake> bearly230 I'm new to ubuntu but from the sound of it, syncing files might be accomplished from a version repository software of some sort. maybe GIT or SVN?
[20:23] <MetaJake> or are you working with content outside the scope of a version repo's function?
[20:24] <bearly230> MetaJake I havn't heard of those. I've been using ubuntu for quite a while but I'm no expert.
[20:24] <MetaJake> version repository's are virtual copies of file systems. its not like file transfer like rsync or ftp..
[20:25] <MetaJake> examples are GIThub.com ... and a popular one called Subversion
[20:25] <bearly230> MetaJake: no idea how those work. I'll take a look at it. Would nfs over ssh be an option?
[20:26] <MetaJake> upon establishing a database with their service though, they let you sync up files between locations.
[20:26] <bearly230> I've got to much data to use an online service.
[20:26] <MetaJake> i'm not familiar with nfs .
[20:26] <bpgoldsb> Does anyone know if I can make the alternate installer (netboot) pull udebs from a local server instead of a standard debian mirror?
[20:26] <bpgoldsb> s/debian/ubuntu
[20:27] <bearly230> Does anyone have any experence with nfs over ssh or somthing simular?
[20:27] <CrunchyChewie> bearly230: how much data we talkin
[20:28] <bearly230> CrunchyChewie, about 350 gb atm. Once synced won't be much to transfer but will need to keep everything synced.
[20:29] <hggdh> hallyn: available for bit?
[20:30] <CrunchyChewie> bearly230: 2 way sync?
[20:30] <bearly230> CruncyChewie: Thats what I'm wanting. I've got 2 users working from different locations. And we need to keep our data synced between our servers.
[20:31] <hallyn> hggdh: would like 5 misn to finish this test
[20:35] <CrunchyChewie> bearly230: thats a bit, what type of files
[20:36] <hggdh> Daviey: involving hallyn, OK?
[20:36] <bearly230> CrunchyChewie: All kinds. We don't have a lot of new files every day. But they do add up over time.
[20:36] <hallyn> hggdh: here?
[20:37] <hggdh> hallyn: no, when you are ready, we will open another channel
[20:37] <CrunchyChewie> bearly230: ever thought of s3 or something?
[20:37] <bearly230> Whats s3?
[20:39] <hallyn> hggdh: ready
[20:41] <bearly230> CrunchyChewie: Whats s3?
[20:42] <Daviey> hggdh, yes, hallyn is the best person
[20:42] <Daviey> for *everything*
[20:42] <CrunchyChewie> bearly230: amazon cloud storage
[20:42] <bearly230> Can't afford that. Not in the budget. (
[20:42] <hallyn> Daviey: no no, i'm useless.  i hear SpamapS is the bomb
[20:45] <semiosis> MetaJake: i was afk, back now, that IP address you mentioned is private, i wouldn't be able to connect to it
[20:46] <MetaJake> semiosis, yes. my mistake. .. still working on it over here.
[20:46] <semiosis> bearly230: rsync <local> <remote>, then do rsync <remote> <local>, to get the two-way sync... read through the rsync manual (man rsync) to get familiar with the options, you'll probably want some of them
[20:49] <bearly230> semiosis: Thanks I'll keep digging
[20:49] <Daviey> hallyn, SpamapS is soooo yesterday... you are about to make me really happy :)
[20:50] <semiosis> bearly230: and by the way, you can use option "-e ssh" to have rsync do the ssh itself (any other way to do rsync over ssh is unnecessarily complicated)
[20:51] <Daviey> actually, SpamapS... i did want you.. :)
[20:51] <bearly230> semiosis: Thats what I've been doing. Just hoping I wouldn't have to turn around and reverse it. But guess I will
[21:07] <MTeck> So... I have a vmware virtual machine. Someone added some space to the virtual hard disk. LVM sits on top of that. How can I get that virtual disk grown?
[21:08] <MTeck> I'm guessing the first step is to get linux to see that the physical disk has changed
[21:10] <guntbert> alcuadrado: no need to be sorry, but here you will get better server specific help
[21:10] <alcuadrado> hi there! I've just removed the old kernels from a server (because /boot had no more space available) and then rebooted it, now it doesn't start :s
[21:10] <alcuadrado> yes, I see guntbert, thanks :)
[21:11] <guntbert> alcuadrado: what happens when you boot it?
[21:11] <alcuadrado> I don't have it here, that's the problem
[21:12] <alcuadrado> I've asked for a hardware reboot right now, just in case it's some bug in the housing panel
[21:13] <guntbert> I doubt that, can you look at the boot process? Can you get to the grub menu?
[21:14] <semiosis> MTeck: is your virtual disk partitioned so that the LVM pv is just one partition, or is the LVM pv the whole disk?
[21:14] <alcuadrado> let me check that
[21:15] <alcuadrado> it's working now guntbert :)
[21:15] <alcuadrado> don't know how it took so much
[21:15] <MTeck> semiosis: partition
[21:16] <semiosis> MTeck: then your expanded disk probably has new unpartitioned space at the end, beyond the end of your existing partition
[21:16] <guntbert> !yay | alcuadrado
[21:17] <alcuadrado> yeah, I was kind of mad about that haha
[21:17] <alcuadrado> it's a sever of a client I'm leaving
[21:17] <semiosis> MTeck: so you can create a new partition from that free space, create a new LVM pv in your vg, then expand your lv, then fsck the lv, then resize2fs the lv
[21:18] <alcuadrado> take a look at this: http://pastie.org/1740932
[21:18] <alcuadrado> is that normal?
[21:18] <MTeck> semiosis: when I do fdisk -l /dev/sdb I see the size of sdb1 which is using 99GB and reports the disk size is 107.3GB.. but 500GB was just added
[21:19] <MTeck> i can look at vmware and see that there's 600GB allocated to it
[21:19] <MTeck> 610.25*
[21:20] <semiosis> MTeck: i'm not sure about this, but i suspect something needs to get reset for it to see all the extra space, maybe detach/reattach, maybe a reboot, hopefully someone else more familiar with vmware can sort that out
[21:21] <guntbert> alcuadrado: no quite - use aptitude (interactive mode) to resolve it
[21:21] <MTeck> ooooh.......
[21:21] <alcuadrado> ok, thanks :)
[21:21] <MTeck> it looks like maybe it was added as a third hard disk
[21:21] <alcuadrado> a dist-upgrade solved it :)
[21:21] <MTeck> but fdisk -l doesn't see that disk
[21:22] <MTeck> so....
[21:22] <semiosis> MTeck: oh thats nice
[21:22] <semiosis> MTeck: wait, how do you see it added as a third disk if fdisk doesn't report it?
[21:23] <MTeck> semiosis: vmware vsphere (client interface)
[21:23] <MTeck> i can look, but can't actually manage anything there
[21:30] <MTeck> semiosis: is there any way to just probe for new hardware?
[21:35] <semiosis> MTeck: reboot?
[21:36] <RoyK> MTeck: non-hotpluggable hardware won't be seen until a reboot
[21:37] <RoyK> so if you jam a pci card into your system while it's running, you (a) won't see it and (b) may fuck up the motherboard badly
[21:37] <semiosis> RoyK: in case you missed it, he's running in vmware vsphere, trying to get the system to recognize a new virtual disk
[21:38] <RoyK> sorry, I missed that
[21:38] <RoyK> I don't know vsphere
[21:38] <RoyK> linux (including ubuntu) supports hotplugging devices
[21:39] <RoyK> but then, if vshphere doesn't deliver an api compatible with linux, you'll need a reboot
[21:40] <RoyK> last I checked, vmware only supported redhat, so that may be an issue
[21:41] <MTeck> YAY
[21:41] <MTeck> semiosis: RoyK: echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host0/scan
[21:42] <semiosis> MTeck: cooool!
[21:45] <ejv> qman__: you available? :)
[21:46] <ejv> that raid6 initialization/resync we discussed yesterday, well looks like im getting some read errors
[21:51] <ejv> http://dpaste.com/527511/
[21:51] <ejv> (dmesg output)
[22:11] <zertyui> hello there
[22:11] <zertyui> who knows about postfix with mailutils ?
[22:20] <zertyui> hello
[22:20] <ejv> is it possible to mark a drive as failed in mdadm, during a resync? so that the raid6 can function with 3/4
[22:20] <zertyui> anyone know about
[22:20] <zertyui> postfix ?
[22:21] <zertyui> i configured postfix with mysql
[22:21] <zertyui> i create user etc ...
[22:21] <zertyui> but using thunderbird the password not working
[22:21] <zertyui> what to do ?
[22:27] <zertyui> hello anyone there ?
[22:34] <EvilPhoenix> zertyui:  be patient
[22:34] <EvilPhoenix> zertyui:  if someone has a solution, they'll answer
[22:34] <EvilPhoenix> zertyui:  in the mean time, did you check in the postfix channel/
[22:34] <EvilPhoenix> ?
[22:36] <zertyui> there is no one there
[22:36] <zertyui> do you know on post fix ?
[22:38] <Delemas> Anyone know what could cause sudo to delay 3 minutes before running a command? DNS is working properly.
[22:45] <zertyui> well
[22:45] <zertyui> who know about my sql ?
[22:45] <KMFrog> higiez, does ubuntu server support SSD trim?
[22:47] <ignarps> KMFrog, linux kernel > 2.6.33 should have trim support
[22:48] <KMFrog> ignarps, thanks, do I need to use a specific file system?
[22:51] <KMFrog> google says Ext4 and Btrfs, that will do. thanks for your help ;]
[22:53] <ignarps> KMFrog, xfs as well
[22:56] <ignarps> still waiting on md raid support for TRIM though :(
[22:57] <Delemas> It seems it might have been a ldap issue. Thanks anyways...
[22:58] <ignarps> Delemas, nscd can help cache some ldap stuff for you if your ldap server times out from time to time :)
[23:28] <sparc> Hmm, if we want a backport of something like Puppet, from Maverick to Lucid
[23:28] <sparc> that isn't already a backport
[23:28] <soren> How do you figure that?
[23:29] <soren> Err..
[23:29] <soren> Ignore me.
[23:29] <sparc> does it seem like it might be possible to get the source deb, and try to build it and install it
[23:29]  * soren can't read.
[23:30] <sparc> or maybe that's Madness, and I should be just repackaging something from reductivelabs
[23:30]  * sparc doesn't know "How it's Usually Done"
[23:35] <kirkland> zul: hey, did you end up fixing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cobbler/+bug/741661 ?
[23:36] <kirkland> zul: i'm looking at the code now
[23:36] <kirkland> zul: and it looks like at least part of it is fixed